The most inflammatory podcast of the year just dropped, and guess what? It looks like feminists have a lot to answer for. Mia, Jessie and Holly discuss the furore on today's show.

Also, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s recent outfits have started a conversation about ‘date night dressing’, and whether we should take a page out of their very fancy book. 

Plus, Jessie would like to make it clear that her puffy face is no one's business. The internet is OBSESSED with ‘lowering cortisol’, but do we all just need to touch some grass instead?

And our recommendations of the week, including a new season of Mia’s favourite Netflix documentary, Holly’s book of the week, and Jessie’s very exciting sister news.

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Recommendations

Mia recommends America's Sweethearts on Netflix

Jessie recommends The Worst Thing I've Ever Done by Clare Stephens

Holly recommends 100 Years of Betty by Debra Oswald

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'This podcast framed itself as a debate on feminism. It was the opposite.'
'There was one Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders scene that made my jaw drop, but I don’t know why I was surprised.'
The 12 words Travis Kelce said that divided Taylor Swift's fan base.
Blake Lively tried to protect them. Now Taylor Swift's private text messages are being exposed.
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'I'm a sleep expert. Here are 6 things you can do for the best sleep of your life.'

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Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

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The most inflammatory podcast of the year just dropped, and guess what? It looks like feminists have a lot to answer for. Mia, Jessie and Holly discuss the furore on today's show.
Also, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce&rsquo;s recent outfits have started a conversation about &lsquo;date night dressing&rsquo;, and whether we should take a page out of their very fancy book.&nbsp;
Plus, Jessie would like to make it clear that her puffy face is no one's business. The internet is OBSESSED with &lsquo;lowering cortisol&rsquo;, but do we all just need to touch some grass instead?
And our recommendations of the week, including a new season of Mia&rsquo;s favourite Netflix documentary, Holly&rsquo;s book of the week, and Jessie&rsquo;s very exciting sister news.
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Recommendations
Mia recommends<a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;amp;xs=1&amp;amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.netflix.com%2Ftitle%2F81685878">&nbsp;America's Sweethearts&nbsp;</a>on Netflix
Jessie recommends&nbsp;<a href="https://go.skimresources.com/?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigw.com.au%2Fproduct%2Fthe-worst-thing-i-ve-ever-done-by-clare-stephens%2Fp%2F6033846">The Worst Thing I've Ever Done</a>&nbsp;by Clare Stephens
Holly recommends&nbsp;<a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;amp;xs=1&amp;amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigw.com.au%2Fproduct%2Fone-hundred-years-of-betty-by-debra-oswald%2Fp%2F6014702%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOoo5Z-yJP5bnysFvPdXLYSPd0EYupQmHKDdAx4MCzLtfW3g4uKKD">100 Years of Betty</a>&nbsp;by Debra Oswald
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/dilemma-inheritance-fight/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">An Inheritance Dilemma and A Surprise Third Baby</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/brad-pitt-f1-movie">How Do You Solve A Problem Like Brad Pitt?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-last-meeting-theory/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The 'Last Meeting' Theory Explains All Your Ex Relationships</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kennedy-women/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Caroline Bessette-Kennedy: The Original Influencer</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jameela-jamil-times">"I'm Done With Being Interviewed By Women"</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:<a href="https://app.omnystudio.com/3ea926be-9be7-482a-8ac3-a44f016e43d1/programs/fb1f46f6-b3d6-4068-8ab5-a44f016e5066/clips/f2527abe-d454-4587-8864-b305002c5ac5/details"> The Book Club Implosion &amp; The Best Friend Comparison Spiral</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/taylor-swift-music-ownership/">The Lick Ick &amp; The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women</a></li>
</ul>
Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/feminism-in-2025/">'This podcast framed itself as a debate on feminism. It was the opposite.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/dallas-cowboys-cheerleaders-amanda-judy-scene/">'There was one Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders scene that made my jaw drop, but I don&rsquo;t know why I was surprised.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/travis-kelce-donald-trump-comment/">The 12 words Travis Kelce said that divided Taylor Swift's fan base.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/why-taylor-swift-involved-justin-baldoni-lawsuit/">Blake Lively tried to protect them. Now Taylor Swift's private text messages are being exposed.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-is-cortisol-face/">Do you have 'cortisol face' or is that just your face?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/bedtime-routine-for-best-sleep/">'I'm a sleep expert. Here are 6 things you can do for the best sleep of your life.'</a></li>
</ul>
Listen to Parenting Out Loud:
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/parenting-out-loud-coparenting-rules/">Parenting Out Loud: A New Co-Parenting Rule &amp; The 100% Work Dilemma</a>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens &amp; Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producers: Coco &amp; Tessa
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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Absolutely Everything Is Feminism’s Fault!

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