The very famous man at the centre of a years-long journalistic investigation and a months-long legal fight in the UK has been named. Holly Wainwright explains why his name was kept private until now.

The clean girl has packed up her slick-back bun and left the building. Her replacement has smudged eyeliner and teased hair, but it may have taken just as long to get ready. Keeshia Pettit, Stacey Hicks and Holly Wainwright unpack ‘mess-washing’ and why some brands are now telling influencers not to clean their kitchens before they film.

Plus, what makes a good man? Julia Baird and her son Sam asked dozens of men and the answers went everywhere from mateship to the manosphere.

And, Andy Lee went through the Jennifer Hudson spirit tunnel. Stacey has thoughts on what the publicists’ emails must have looked like.

Mia has made something new. It's called Grout. Not Mould. 
𝗚𝗥𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗻𝗼𝘄, 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝘂𝗲 𝗧𝘂𝗲𝘀𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝟭𝟳 𝗡𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿.



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Listen to our latest episode: “How Do I Do It All? I Don’t.”
Listen: What Russell Brand Did & The Great American Vibe Shift
Listen: The TV Show That Was Fun Until It Wasn’t & The New Bookshelf Rule
Listen: Everything Jessie Stephens Did Before Getting To Work
Listen: Craig Silvey Pleaded Guilty. Then Published A 9000-Word ‘Apology’.
Listen: Kristen, Dax & Nobody Wants This
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'Jennifer Lawrence had surgery to be a "hot mum" at drop-off. Mums I know are quietly doing the same.'
'Trends are exhausting. That's why at 44, I'm embracing my "messy era".'
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The very famous man at the centre of a years-long journalistic investigation and a months-long legal fight in the UK has been named. Holly Wainwright explains why his name was kept private until now. The clean girl has packed up her slick-back bun and left the building. Her replacement has smudged eyeliner and teased hair, but it may have taken just as long to get ready. Keeshia Pettit, Stacey Hicks and Holly Wainwright unpack &lsquo;mess-washing&rsquo; and why some brands are now telling influencers not to clean their kitchens before they film. Plus, what makes a good man? Julia Baird and her son Sam asked dozens of men and the answers went everywhere from mateship to the manosphere. And, Andy Lee went through the Jennifer Hudson spirit tunnel. Stacey has thoughts on what the publicists&rsquo; emails must have looked like. Mia has made something new. It's called Grout. Not Mould.&nbsp; <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/grout/id6832868029">𝗚𝗥𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗻𝗼𝘄, 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝘂𝗲 𝗧𝘂𝗲𝘀𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝟭𝟳 𝗡𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿.</a> 
If you or someone you know is thinking about suicide, get help immediately.&nbsp; Call Lifeline at 13 11 14. If you have experienced sexual assault and are in need of support, please call <a href="https://www.1800respect.org.au/">1800 RESPECT</a> on 1800 737 732.&nbsp;
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to Grout:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/grout/introducing-grout-by-mia-freedman/">Introducing GROUT, The New Audio Memoir By Mia Freedman</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-how-we-do-it-all/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">&ldquo;How Do I Do It All? I Don&rsquo;t.&rdquo;</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/russell-brand-allegations-explained/">What Russell Brand Did &amp; The Great American Vibe Shift</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/celebrity-traitors-uk-reality-tv/">The TV Show That Was Fun Until It Wasn&rsquo;t &amp; The New Bookshelf Rule</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-things-we-did-before-9am/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Everything Jessie Stephens Did Before Getting To Work</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/craig-silvey-9000-word-essay/">Craig Silvey Pleaded Guilty. Then Published A 9000-Word &lsquo;Apology&rsquo;.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kristen-bell-dax-shepard-nobody-wants-this/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Kristen, Dax &amp; Nobody Wants This</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/thomas-markle-allegations-meghan-markle/"></a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/elon-musk-new-documentary?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/susan-dell-internet-pile-on?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts</a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/david-walliams-allegations/">Little Britain star David Walliams accused of grooming young women for sex.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-lawrence-boob-job-mums/">'Jennifer Lawrence had surgery to be a "hot mum" at drop-off. Mums I know are quietly doing the same.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/how-to-embrace-messy-era/">'Trends are exhausting. That's why at 44, I'm embracing my "messy era".'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://miafreedman.substack.com/p/endings">Endings. It&rsquo;s been quite the year.</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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David Walliams Is The 'Very Famous Man' & Why We're All Mess-Washing

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