Are Aussies anti bush? Not the former president, the bikini kind. A viral essay asked why nobody blinked when a writer wore hers to the beach, and Em wants to know whether Australia is culturally anti-bush while America is having a big bush renaissance (a bush-enaissance if you allow). 

Would you post about it if your partner killed the family pet? A well-known content creator told her 1.8 million followers that her husband had killed the injured bird they were nursing back to health, and the internet unanimously said the same thing: leave him. But is it actually that simple, or is there a difference between the line you'd draw with your partner and the line you'd draw with a friend?

Plus, one of the biggest names on the internet has just quietly ended a show she's been running for 12 years, and Em thinks she's stopped too soon.

And therapy is over-rated! Why none of us are having it at the moment and what we’re doing instead.

If this episode brings up anything for you, or if you or someone you know needs support, please reach out to the following services:


1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au for free, confidential 24/7 National Sexual Assault, Domestic, and Family Violence Counselling.


Emergency Services: If you are in immediate danger, please call 000.

And, because it's Friday, our best recommendations for your weekend:
Holly recommends The Unleashed episode with Ginni on voluntary assisted dying
Em recommends a leather journal from Milligram, plus their $15 ruled notebooks if you're just starting out
Mia recommends The Ultimatum: Queer Love, both seasons, now streaming in full on Netflix

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'I'm a psychologist. This is the one thing you should never do in therapy.'
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Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit

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Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast. 

Are Aussies anti bush? Not the former president, the bikini kind. A viral essay asked why nobody blinked when a writer wore hers to the beach, and Em wants to know whether Australia is culturally anti-bush while America is having a big bush renaissance (a bush-enaissance if you allow).&nbsp;
Would you post about it if your partner killed the family pet? A well-known content creator told her 1.8 million followers that her husband had killed the injured bird they were nursing back to health, and the internet unanimously said the same thing: leave him. But is it actually that simple, or is there a difference between the line you'd draw with your partner and the line you'd draw with a friend?
Plus, one of the biggest names on the internet has just quietly ended a show she's been running for 12 years, and Em thinks she's stopped too soon.
And therapy is over-rated! Why none of us are having it at the moment and what we&rsquo;re doing instead.
If this episode brings up anything for you, or if you or someone you know needs support, please reach out to the following services:
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<li>
1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732 or visit <a href="https://www.1800respect.org.au">1800respect.org.au</a> for free, confidential 24/7 National Sexual Assault, Domestic, and Family Violence Counselling.
</li>
<li>
Emergency Services: If you are in immediate danger, please call 000.
</li>
</ul>
And, because it's Friday, our best recommendations for your weekend:
<ul>
<li dir="ltr">Holly recommends <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/i-know-the-day-my-mum-is-going-to-die-ginnis-story-part-1/id1868862473?i=1000787911648">The Unleashed episode with Ginni on voluntary assisted dying</a></li>
<li>Em recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4zYxxzM">a leather journal from Milligram</a>, plus their $15 ruled notebooks if you're just starting out</li>
<li>Mia recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4hkTHov">The Ultimatum: Queer Love</a>, both seasons, now streaming in full on Netflix</li>
</ul>
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-when-keeshia-s-lip-filler-went-wrong/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">When Keeshia&rsquo;s Lip Filler Went Wrong</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-most-famous-sibling-estrangement-is-over-the-documentary-nobody-can-believe/">You Can't Say That About Your Kids &amp; The Infamous Woman We Just Don't Believe</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-the-kings-harry-letter-alix-vs-alex/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The King's Very Pointed Harry Letter &amp; Alix Vs Alex</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/raygun-and-the-confidence-question/">Raygun And The Confidence Question</a></li>
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<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/constance-hall-husband-bird/">Constance Hall's husband killed her rescue bird. There's more to the story.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/millennial-hobby-energy/">'Millennial hobby energy' is the reason we'll never be happy.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/winter-hobbies-under-50-dollars/">'These are the 5 winter hobbies I'm obsessed with for under $50.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/questions-to-ask-in-therapy/">'I'm a psychologist. This is the one thing you should never do in therapy.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/growing-a-veggie-patch/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: &lsquo;I desperately needed to find some calm&hellip; So I read one very particular book and I got a hobby.&rsquo;</a></li>
</ul>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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Why We All Quit Therapy & When The Internet Says ‘Leave Him’

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