The daughter of a famous woman has exposed the reality of caring for someone with dementia in her new book. It’s honest, raw, confronting… but how much of the story is her’s to tell? 

And do we want a ‘big life’, or are we okay with something smaller? Jessie, Holly and Em Vernem discuss, but one of us is lying about our answer.

Also, our recommendations for your mouth and ears including a podcast which might make you teary, the best veggie side dish recipe, and a stay-put lipstick that Em swears by. 

Plus, Em has a bone to pick with tunnels, Jessie is entering terrible two territory, and Holly’s life-changing appliance upgrade: it’s our Bests & Worsts of the week. 

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Listen to our latest episode: "We're Having A Baby #SPONCON"
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Listen: The Lick Ick & The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women
Listen: We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One
Listen: Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement

Check out the No Filter Gracie otto interview with Kate Langbroek here.

Check out the MID Caroline Baum interview with Holly Wainwright here.

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What to read: 
Caring for a parent with dementia? Here's what an expert wants you to know.
'While my parents were suffering from dementia, my brother did something unthinkable.'
'Every single product I used on my face for the Mamamia Out Loud Live Tour.'
From a no-bake dessert to a tangy salad: The Mamamia team share their go-to recipes.
'I'm a mum of 3. Here are 4 weeknight dinner hacks... that actually work.'

Recommendations:

Em wants you to try the Sephora Collection New Cream Lip Stain 

Jessie wants you to listen to Hold The Moment.

Holly wants you to try Grandma green beans - a recipe from Virginia Trioli’s book A Bit On The Side.

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Credits

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

The daughter of a famous woman has exposed the reality of caring for someone with dementia in her new book. It&rsquo;s honest, raw, confronting&hellip; but how much of the story is her&rsquo;s to tell?&nbsp;
And do we want a &lsquo;big life&rsquo;, or are we okay with something smaller? Jessie, Holly and Em Vernem discuss, but one of us is lying about our answer.
Also, our recommendations for your mouth and ears including a podcast which might make you teary, the best veggie side dish recipe, and a stay-put lipstick that Em swears by.&nbsp;
Plus, Em has a bone to pick with tunnels, Jessie is entering terrible two territory, and Holly&rsquo;s life-changing appliance upgrade: it&rsquo;s our Bests &amp; Worsts of the week.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a>
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/sponsored-pregnancy-announcements/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">"We're Having A Baby #SPONCON"</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/khloe-kardashian-cheating-scandal/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Khloe Kardashian And A Cheating Scandal</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/taylor-swift-music-ownership">The Lick Ick &amp; The Patron Saint of Betrayed Women</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/and-just-like-that-season-three/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">We Need To Debrief On 'And Just Like That' Season Three, Ep One</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/brooklyn-beckham-family-estrangement">Harry, Brooklyn And The Epidemic of Family Estrangement</a></li>
</ul>
Check out the No Filter Gracie otto interview with Kate Langbroek <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/gracie-otto-documentary">here</a>.
Check out the MID Caroline Baum interview with Holly Wainwright <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mid/complicated-relationship-with-parents">here</a>.
Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube</a>
What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/dementia-explained-expert-insights/">Caring for a parent with dementia? Here's what an expert wants you to know.</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/khloe-kardashian-lamar-odom-relationship"></a></li>
<li>'<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/financial-elder-abuse/">While my parents were suffering from dementia, my brother did something unthinkable.'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-makeup-to-wear-on-stage/">'Every single product I used on my face for the Mamamia Out Loud Live Tour.'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/easy-summer-recipes-for-entertaining/">From a no-bake dessert to a tangy salad: The Mamamia team share their go-to recipes.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/weeknight-dinner-hacks/">'I'm a mum of 3. Here are 4 weeknight dinner hacks... that actually work.'</a></li>
</ul>
Recommendations:
Em wants you to try the <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sephora.com.au%2Fproducts%2Fsephora-collection-new-cream-lip-stain%2Fv%2F130-naughty-burgundy">Sephora Collection New Cream Lip Stain</a>&nbsp;
Jessie&nbsp;wants you to listen to <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fau%2Fpodcast%2Fhold-the-moment%2Fid1761945729">Hold The Moment</a>.
Holly wants you to try Grandma green beans - a recipe from <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;amp;xs=1&amp;amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.qbd.com.au%2Fa-bit-on-the-side%2Fvirginia-trioli%2F9781761267406%2F">Virginia Trioli&rsquo;s book A Bit On The Side</a>.
THE END BITS:&nbsp;
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GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We&rsquo;re listening. Send us an email at <a href="mailto:outloud@mamamia.com.au">outloud@mamamia.com.au</a>
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
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Credits
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens &amp; Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producers: Coco &amp; Tessa
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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A Famous Mother & A Treacherous Daughter

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