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Blake Lively has broken her silence on the&nbsp;It Ends With Us chaos, calling it &ldquo;manufactured shame". With Justin Baldoni&rsquo;s $614 million countersuit just dismissed, it&rsquo;s validation for Lively &mdash; but the real drama&rsquo;s not over till 2026. Mia, Jessie and Em Vernem discuss.&nbsp;
Plus, Wife Guys. You&rsquo;ve seen them online &mdash; gushing about their spouses like it&rsquo;s their full-time job. Mia, Jessie and Em ask: is it wholesome... or a red flag?
And finally, are we OK? Sydney Sweeney is selling 'vintage' soap made from her actual bath water, and Bonnie Blue was all set to launch a human petting zoo with herself as the star attraction &mdash; until Only Fans banned her. We unpack the trend of women turning themselves into brands and whether it&rsquo;s empowerment to be proud of or something else that's far more troubling.
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Bonnie Blue's Glass Box Stunt & Blake Lively's Vindication

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