Australia isn't having enough babies but why is it women who are the only ones being scolded about it? Jessie, Amelia and Holly discuss if a reintroduction of the Baby Bonus could reverse the declining birth rate or if it's all too little too late.  

And some scurrilous new gossip in the Peltz-Beckham feud saga including yacht wars and a premature vow renewal — Amelia can hardly contain her excitement. 

Plus, the new wellness retreat which involves five days in a *checks notes* pitch black cabin in the middle of nowhere. It's one of our host's worst nightmare for a multitude of unusual reasons while Eat, Pray, Love author Liz Gilbert tried it and offers a completely different opinion. 

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Australia isn't having enough babies but why is it women who are the only ones being scolded about it? Jessie, Amelia and Holly discuss if a reintroduction of the Baby Bonus could reverse the declining birth rate or if it's all too little too late.&nbsp;&nbsp;
And some scurrilous new gossip in the Peltz-Beckham feud saga including yacht wars and a premature vow renewal &mdash; Amelia can hardly contain her excitement.&nbsp;
Plus, the new wellness retreat which involves five days in a *checks notes* pitch black cabin in the middle of nowhere. It's one of our host's worst nightmare for a multitude of unusual reasons while Eat, Pray, Love author&nbsp;Liz Gilbert tried it and offers a completely different opinion.&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our most recent episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-logies-2025/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Every Thought We Had About The 2025 Logies</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/and-just-like-that-to-end">An Urgent Theory About That Skims Face... Thing</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/brain-rot-continuous-partial-attention">There&rsquo;s A Reason You&rsquo;re Stuck &amp; Mia&rsquo;s News</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/desire-to-flirt-while-in-a-relationship/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Is It OK To Flirt Outside Of Your Relationship?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/how-to-conceive/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">How Do You Make A Baby? Jessie Has Questions.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-great-feminist-exhaustion">The Great Feminist Exhaustion &amp; One Of Us Has No Charisma</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Parenting Out Loud:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/this-glorious-mess/sleep-divorce-bedtime-stories">Sleep Divorce, 'Hopeless' Dads &amp; Goodnight To The Bedtime Story</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/why-brooklyn-beckham-nicole-peltz-family-feud/">Three words from Cruz Beckham just reignited his family's feud.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/beckham-family-estrangement-explained/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'To understand the Beckham family estrangement, we need to go back to 1999.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/silos-accommodation-review/">The perfect burnout cure? This hidden countryside retreat is just hours from Sydney.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/population-decline/">Why women don&rsquo;t want to have babies in 2024.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/childcare-cost-for-working-parents/">'I got a small pay rise at work. Our childcare fees are now crippling us.'</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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"Have More Babies" & A Microdrama On The Beckham Yacht

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