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When Louis Theroux sat down with Armie Hammer last week, we witnessed what might be the most spectacular example of 'The Dickhead Defence' in recent history. But what exactly is it? And why do certain men think it's going to work?&nbsp;
Plus:
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<li>The real life people characterised in Apple Cider Vinegar aren't happy. But do they have good reason?</li>
<li>Could someone pull a Belle Gibson in 2025? (And why are we still falling for wellness scammers?)</li>
<li>And apparently, generations don't exist. Here's the science behind the claim and why it matters.</li>
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<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-great-attention-thief/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Great Attention Thief</a></li>
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<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-true-story-of-a-liar-belle-gibson-apple-cider">The True Story Of A Liar: Belle Gibson &amp; Apple Cider Vinegar</a></li>
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<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-happened-to-belle-gibson/">Everything that happened after Belle Gibson admitted to not having cancer.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/who-is-jess-ainscough/">Jess Ainscough inspired Apple Cider Vinegar's Milla. Her former partner says it couldn't be further from the truth.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/belle-gibson-partner-clive-rothwell/">The most confusing part of Apple Cider Vinegar isn't Belle's cancer lies. It's her relationship with Clive.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/armie-hammer-cancelled">Armie Hammer and the 'cancelled' celebrities who rage bait their way into headlines.</a></li>
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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The Belle Gibson Fallout & Armie's 'D*ckhead Defence'

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