Holly's hair is on fire after she fell into a rabbit hole regarding the new 'president' of the USA. And no, it's not Donald Trump. We put a spotlight on Elon Musk and try to answer the question the whole world is asking: WTF? 

Plus, Australia's most successful online women are in a huge public feud. Jessie explains the All or Nothing story about Anna Paul and Mikaela Testa that's gone absolutely viral.

And, are you a feedback friend or the cheerleader friend? What's the difference, and should we actually be telling our friends the 'truth'? 

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Listen: We’re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: The Aniston-Obama "Affair"
Listen: The Doco Mia Could Not Watch
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The biggest influencer drama just got a whole lot messier.
It would be different if she had a voice.
The huge celebrity story you definitely missed at the Grammys.

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Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green 

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Holly's hair is on fire after she fell into a rabbit hole regarding the new 'president' of the USA. And no, it's not Donald Trump. We put a spotlight on Elon Musk and try to answer the question the whole world is asking: WTF?&nbsp;
Plus, Australia's most successful online women are in a huge public feud. Jessie explains the All or Nothing story about Anna Paul and Mikaela Testa that's gone absolutely viral.
And, are you a feedback friend or the cheerleader friend? What's the difference, and should we actually be telling our friends the 'truth'?&nbsp;
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<a href="https://www.outloudlive.com.au/">Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular&nbsp;</a>
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/2025-grammy-awards/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Grammys In Superficial Detail</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kate-ritchie-video-response">Kate Ritchie Knows She&rsquo;s &ldquo;Not OK&rdquo;, Thanks</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/gen-z-crossbody-bags">A Generation Of Try-Hards</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/how-to-look-effortless/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/justin-baldoni-blake-lively">We&rsquo;re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jennifer-aniston-barack-obama-affair-rumours/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Scurrilous Gossip: The Aniston-Obama "Affair"</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/bryan-johnson-dont-die-documentary/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Doco Mia Could Not Watch</a></li>
<li>Listen to MID: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mid/soul-mate-friendship">Amanda Keller &amp; Anita McGregor Know How Lucky They Are</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/gen-z-crossbody-bags"></a></li>
<li>Listen to The Quicky: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/the-quicky/trump-first-two-weeks">What Trump's First Fortnight Tells Us About The Next Four Years</a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/anna-paul-mikaela-testa-feud/">The biggest influencer drama just got a whole lot messier.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/bianca-censori-opinion/">It would be different if she had a voice.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/olivia-rodrigo-sabrina-carpenter/">The huge celebrity story you definitely missed at the Grammys.</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens&nbsp;
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green&nbsp;
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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Anna Paul & The Anatomy Of A Very 2025 Feud

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