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Water under the bridge (surface waters)

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This episode 3 of Making Waves explores how traditional knowledge can inform management of surface waters, and we look at problems with our current management frameworks. 

Featuring interviews with respected academic Dr Anne Poelina on Mardoowarra country/Broome on how to ‘wake up the snake’.

Co-host Troy McDonald explains his water journey, while host Marnie Ireland goes out to meet World Heritage Ranger Aaron Morgan on Gunditjmara country, at the UNESCO-recognised Tae Rak, in the Budj Bim Cultural Landscape. 

Aboriginal Water Officer Nicky Hudson also tells us about how they manage cultural flows at the Gunditjmara Traditional Owners Corporation.

We also hear the third track from the Mark Coles Smith album Kalaji - Yoolbooroo.

Length: 49 minutes 12 seconds, start times as marked

- Dr Anne Poelina (on Mardoowarra country, Broome)(2m 34s)
- ‘Yoolbooroo’ from Kalaji, by Mark Coles Smith (21m 49s)
- Troy McDonald on his water journey (27m 10s)
- World Heritage Ranger Aaron Morgan on Gunditjmara country, at the UNESCO-recognised Tae Rak (29m 41s) 
- Aboriginal Water Officer Nicky Hudson on cultural flows background at the Gunditjmara Traditional Owners Corporation (37m 41s)
- Students of Dharma school in Daylesford (45m 54s)

Nominated Water Songs: Yoolbooroo. Kalaji. Down by the river - Neil Young, River Deep Mountain High - Ike and Tina Turner, River - Bishop Briggs

Feature Album: Kalaji by Mark Coles Smith Best known as an actor, Mark Coles Smith explores his Nyikina heritage and relationship to the Martuwarra in electronic album 'Kalaji' (download album from We most gratefully thank Kalaji for allowing us to feature 5 feature songs in the Making Waves podcast.

About us: Host / Project Director / Executive Producer / Lead Interviewer: Marnie Ireland Co-host: Troy McDonald Producer / Interviewer / Sound Production / Editing: Nance Haxton Theme music: James Henderson


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  • Sydney Water


The Making Waves podcast was created over a 2 year period spanning mid 2020 to mid 2022. The views and perspectives presented are those of the individuals speaking.  They do not necessarily represent the views of the organisations associated with individuals or the funders and supporters.


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