Well, thank you everybody so much for joining us on a very very special episode of Magical rewind Sabrina. Where are we?

Well, thank you everybody so much for joining us on a very very special episode of Magical rewind Sabrina. Where are we?

We are at the Magical Brady Bunch House. We are this is wild, will Oh my goodness.

We are at the Magical Brady Bunch House. We are this is wild, will Oh my goodness.

It really is because you walk in, it's been completely redone. It looks exactly like it did on the show. But it gets even cooler than that because we're not here alone. An amazing special guest with us. Christopher Knight is here, Peter Brady himself is here.

It really is because you walk in, it's been completely redone. It looks exactly like it did on the show. But it gets even cooler than that because we're not here alone. An amazing special guest with us. Christopher Knight is here, Peter Brady himself is here.

I come with the house. Yes, perfect, I'll never leave home again.

I come with the house. Yes, perfect, I'll never leave home again.

Now we have to jump into the house first before we get to you.

Now we have to jump into the house first before we get to you.

We since we're here. Absolutely no, it deserves it's it's it's due, right.

We since we're here. Absolutely no, it deserves it's it's it's due, right.

Yeah, you're responsible for a lot of this happening recreation.

Yeah, you're responsible for a lot of this happening recreation.

Well, Discovery HGTV is responsible for it actually happened because they were the ones with the wisdom and the money to make it happen. And and I was very upfront with the idea that it couldn't be done really in terms out we each one of us has had experienced building and this it's a very there's a lot of volume here. I mean that's there. It's an and it's iconic and everyone knows what it's supposed to look like at the end. How do you make that happen when you have a split level house elevation from the street without destroying the street elevation. Yeah, and that they were we're able to do it because yeah, it looks like it's us because we're carrying the story on the show, but you know, it's there's a lot of work that we're not doing that's being done by individuals hired by HGTV to make it happen. Like for instance, the floor was dug down. One step uh is missing from the stairs, so it's not quite as tall, but we needed more space to fit that volume, and so most of the house that was here is gone and parts that were left then needed to be dug out and new foundation board underneath. So it was it was more than a remodel, I'll say, but without changing that that street elevation, because which is amazing.

Well, Discovery HGTV is responsible for it actually happened because they were the ones with the wisdom and the money to make it happen. And and I was very upfront with the idea that it couldn't be done really in terms out we each one of us has had experienced building and this it's a very there's a lot of volume here. I mean that's there. It's an and it's iconic and everyone knows what it's supposed to look like at the end. How do you make that happen when you have a split level house elevation from the street without destroying the street elevation. Yeah, and that they were we're able to do it because yeah, it looks like it's us because we're carrying the story on the show, but you know, it's there's a lot of work that we're not doing that's being done by individuals hired by HGTV to make it happen. Like for instance, the floor was dug down. One step uh is missing from the stairs, so it's not quite as tall, but we needed more space to fit that volume, and so most of the house that was here is gone and parts that were left then needed to be dug out and new foundation board underneath. So it was it was more than a remodel, I'll say, but without changing that that street elevation, because which is amazing.

But you know, you're you're getting the the You're in the age of the internet where you know there's people going, excuse me, but there's one stare missing.

But you know, you're you're getting the the You're in the age of the internet where you know there's people going, excuse me, but there's one stare missing.

I'm one of those on our podcast, we watch our show and I'm and I'm seeing what people have been seeing for years, and it's just like there's no continuity. We'll have to talk about that, because it's been a revelation where we have come when we produce product now from that day when there was no concept that these things would be watched.

I'm one of those on our podcast, we watch our show and I'm and I'm seeing what people have been seeing for years, and it's just like there's no continuity. We'll have to talk about that, because it's been a revelation where we have come when we produce product now from that day when there was no concept that these things would be watched.

A million times every episode in a row and loved. The reason why people pick up on those details is because they love the show and they watch it so many times.

A million times every episode in a row and loved. The reason why people pick up on those details is because they love the show and they watch it so many times.

I guess people are crazy. And then I mean Iam Shatner the story he tells me about somebody telling him about how did you get from here? Because the you know, engine room is down and he said it was a television show. You know. I mean, this guy has in his head built the enterprise and had questions like, in all fairness spent that time the engineering.

I guess people are crazy. And then I mean Iam Shatner the story he tells me about somebody telling him about how did you get from here? Because the you know, engine room is down and he said it was a television show. You know. I mean, this guy has in his head built the enterprise and had questions like, in all fairness spent that time the engineering.

Room on the NCC one seven oh one was very far away from uh.

Room on the NCC one seven oh one was very far away from uh.

I'm just saying it.

I'm just saying it.

You know there they had to pass the holidays.

You know there they had to pass the holidays.

You've had some time with them.

You've had some time with them.

I'm not going to get into it now. When you and HGTV, when you all got together and decided to do this, was there anything you were adamant about?

I'm not going to get into it now. When you and HGTV, when you all got together and decided to do this, was there anything you were adamant about?

Right?

Right?

This has to be this one's thing has to be done or this has to be perfect, or you can't skimp on.

This has to be this one's thing has to be done or this has to be perfect, or you can't skimp on.

This, right, No, and it wasn't. I mean, frankly, I had these great ideas of doing the Brady House with modern materials, and I didn't understand why we we'd replicate a sixties kitchen in sixties materials. Yeah, I got it with for Mica, it sort of didn't make any sense to me until we did it, and then I then I then I got it. So I was like one of those who was not as aware of how faithful not only they were choosing to be, but that they needed to be. Yeah, and I'm glad for it. I mean it was to the point where some of the furniture that couldn't be found was recreated. I wanted to do the horse that became an episode because to me, that's like an eleventh character on the show. It is so.

This, right, No, and it wasn't. I mean, frankly, I had these great ideas of doing the Brady House with modern materials, and I didn't understand why we we'd replicate a sixties kitchen in sixties materials. Yeah, I got it with for Mica, it sort of didn't make any sense to me until we did it, and then I then I then I got it. So I was like one of those who was not as aware of how faithful not only they were choosing to be, but that they needed to be. Yeah, and I'm glad for it. I mean it was to the point where some of the furniture that couldn't be found was recreated. I wanted to do the horse that became an episode because to me, that's like an eleventh character on the show. It is so.

And you have your own home furnishine line.

And you have your own home furnishine line.

Yes, which I used, the horse is the is the icon? I mean it's it's more of a Phoenician is.

Yes, which I used, the horse is the is the icon? I mean it's it's more of a Phoenician is.

The house that's like directly from the line at all?

The house that's like directly from the line at all?

Or No? I mean there's nothing that we sell that is of this era, right, However, all that shot it. I mean, that's why we couldn't we couldn't buy current furniture, find that television, that refrigerator. You know, this is why this house really can't be lived. And refrigerator doesn't work, the.

Or No? I mean there's nothing that we sell that is of this era, right, However, all that shot it. I mean, that's why we couldn't we couldn't buy current furniture, find that television, that refrigerator. You know, this is why this house really can't be lived. And refrigerator doesn't work, the.

Wonderful avocado fridge from the safeties.

Wonderful avocado fridge from the safeties.

Something years old. So you know, but you know, we get to live forever in this time zone when we're here, Like.

Something years old. So you know, but you know, we get to live forever in this time zone when we're here, Like.

Ron, I was very shocked that we're not sitting on plastic. I was ready to like not move during this podcast, thinking.

Ron, I was very shocked that we're not sitting on plastic. I was ready to like not move during this podcast, thinking.

There was my grandma's house, or you would forgive it, it would be this house.

There was my grandma's house, or you would forgive it, it would be this house.

This is the place exactly.

This is the place exactly.

I think this was like fabric that they were able to print. They literally inked it and printed it. I know that's the case with the day beds in the family room.

I think this was like fabric that they were able to print. They literally inked it and printed it. I know that's the case with the day beds in the family room.

That oh my god.

That oh my god.

Well, I mean, anybody who's who's watched the series, you walk in and you're every so we're sitting here, just to give our dear listeners a kind of visual of where we're sitting. We're sitting here and the front door is directly ahead of us, and every single producer person, everybody who's walked in the front door just explode like a giant smile.

Well, I mean, anybody who's who's watched the series, you walk in and you're every so we're sitting here, just to give our dear listeners a kind of visual of where we're sitting. We're sitting here and the front door is directly ahead of us, and every single producer person, everybody who's walked in the front door just explode like a giant smile.

And walked in and we did as well. I mean, we were working on bits of the house, and then they kept us from the final reveal, I mean until it was ready to reveal to us because they really wanted our honest reactions, and it was it was breathday, literally, because this is a space that we grew up in, and it's better than the space we grew up in, and which was odd. The whole reason for doing it is because forever people have been taking photos of the house from the outside, mostly you know, baby boomers. You know that in the day, either watched it on at prime time or you know through it's it's it's arc and syndication, knowing that we were actors, but over time, with enough familiarity, it's like, no, we're a family and lived in this house, like we worked in this house, and that we didn't. I didn't know where this house was ninety four, like twenty years later, I didn't. And what's interesting, I didn't think to ask, I mean Lloyd and Shore up until recently sure was around to ask. Certainly they knew, and I did. I asked Lloyd some somewhere in the early nineties, where you know where was the Brady House. Yeah, and it was around the corner from where I used to live, loud and I never knew it was here, and I didn't think to ask. And I'm not the only one, apparently every single one of us had no idea and didn't care to ask. So it was a much important, much more important article, if you will, in the show to our audience, and it was to us, Yeah, and it's because it represented what we worked in. But this was a set, you know, at stage five at paramout slot that we've recreated here. Luckily I was wrong and we were able to do it. And when you that seat that you're sitting and looking out that front door and that that window, that was a window that didn't have any real sunlight, right, yeah, no sky, it's a much better view.

And walked in and we did as well. I mean, we were working on bits of the house, and then they kept us from the final reveal, I mean until it was ready to reveal to us because they really wanted our honest reactions, and it was it was breathday, literally, because this is a space that we grew up in, and it's better than the space we grew up in, and which was odd. The whole reason for doing it is because forever people have been taking photos of the house from the outside, mostly you know, baby boomers. You know that in the day, either watched it on at prime time or you know through it's it's it's arc and syndication, knowing that we were actors, but over time, with enough familiarity, it's like, no, we're a family and lived in this house, like we worked in this house, and that we didn't. I didn't know where this house was ninety four, like twenty years later, I didn't. And what's interesting, I didn't think to ask, I mean Lloyd and Shore up until recently sure was around to ask. Certainly they knew, and I did. I asked Lloyd some somewhere in the early nineties, where you know where was the Brady House. Yeah, and it was around the corner from where I used to live, loud and I never knew it was here, and I didn't think to ask. And I'm not the only one, apparently every single one of us had no idea and didn't care to ask. So it was a much important, much more important article, if you will, in the show to our audience, and it was to us, Yeah, and it's because it represented what we worked in. But this was a set, you know, at stage five at paramout slot that we've recreated here. Luckily I was wrong and we were able to do it. And when you that seat that you're sitting and looking out that front door and that that window, that was a window that didn't have any real sunlight, right, yeah, no sky, it's a much better view.

Well.

Well.

We've had a chance to interview quite a few celebrities from movies that they've done on the Disney Channel, and one of the things that they talk about being a young actor in just this giant you know space, you're just working and you're kind of just a kid that's like living this dream and you're not really thinking of the aspect of actually working or being bigger to somebody else. You're just having so much fun doing it because of the age that you're at, hopefully and well, it's that we've been lucky enough to mainly talk to and do interviews, and it's it's like they're growing up on camera. It just was ending up being who you were working with was family, and you know, they just it was all about good memories and stuff. Was it was.

We've had a chance to interview quite a few celebrities from movies that they've done on the Disney Channel, and one of the things that they talk about being a young actor in just this giant you know space, you're just working and you're kind of just a kid that's like living this dream and you're not really thinking of the aspect of actually working or being bigger to somebody else. You're just having so much fun doing it because of the age that you're at, hopefully and well, it's that we've been lucky enough to mainly talk to and do interviews, and it's it's like they're growing up on camera. It just was ending up being who you were working with was family, and you know, they just it was all about good memories and stuff. Was it was.

It was about a really and and that's another point of our existence that is a little bit different from what has been told, is the story of Hollywood and children. It was a really wholesome environment. It was a betterronment than the environment I had at home. Matter of fact, it paralleled it. And it gave me a counterpoint like how it could be. I know it's not real, but you could aspire to it, which is exactly what the show is about. And I don't know how I kind of tapped into that at eleven or had that kind of awareness, but I knew that there was something wrong at home that we could do better trying to be like the Bradys, because what's the harm in that? And my mom had a whole different take on family than that, But that is what the show really was primarily about about like the working together as a family, and some do it naturally and some need a lot of lessons, and our family needed lessons in my family at home.

It was about a really and and that's another point of our existence that is a little bit different from what has been told, is the story of Hollywood and children. It was a really wholesome environment. It was a betterronment than the environment I had at home. Matter of fact, it paralleled it. And it gave me a counterpoint like how it could be. I know it's not real, but you could aspire to it, which is exactly what the show is about. And I don't know how I kind of tapped into that at eleven or had that kind of awareness, but I knew that there was something wrong at home that we could do better trying to be like the Bradys, because what's the harm in that? And my mom had a whole different take on family than that, But that is what the show really was primarily about about like the working together as a family, and some do it naturally and some need a lot of lessons, and our family needed lessons in my family at home.

So what now? I'm so interested in this because, as anybody who knows me knows, I'm a television junkie, a television history I love everything about TV. It was my best friend growing up. It really was what was being a child actor in the seventies, like compared to you know, the we started in the nineties, late eighties. I mean, it was the process I had to imagine was the same.

So what now? I'm so interested in this because, as anybody who knows me knows, I'm a television junkie, a television history I love everything about TV. It was my best friend growing up. It really was what was being a child actor in the seventies, like compared to you know, the we started in the nineties, late eighties. I mean, it was the process I had to imagine was the same.

Completely different, really really completely different for insidious reasons that you can't see. Today. Attitudes about the industry have changed. The importance of the industry has grown. The treatment of children and professional children is completely different. Certainly and probably repeating myself, but the focus on celebrity is totally different today than it was back then. The focus on entertainment as a financial engine an industry. I mean, these were the visions of conglomerates, and the other parts of those conglomerates were bigger than the movie and television industries, you know, so there was far less focus on entertainment specifically for kids. It was like kids. It wasn't a kids medium. Matter of fact, there was no judging of any of the product by from the point of view of it being a children's program. They got we got slaved, you know, by by critics for being banal and simple, and truthfully, it was because it was a very primary show, because it was about kids and family andes and done in a in a very straightforward, digestible, simple way. You know, it was the blocking and tackling of life in a home, and to be criticized for that was them not understanding who was aimed at. Really, I mean, because today, if somebody's reviewing a Disney show for kids, they have different glasses on than when they're then than when they're doing you know, any you know pinter, you know, reviewing you know, what's considered to be literature. But then our television has become our new literature. So it was at a time when people didn't regard anything on television, especially as important, and certainly our show was on the tail end of importance, so you know, it was it was scoffed at because it was so simple, and my family were artists and they picked up on that scoffing and believed it to be true. But that's not as it's turned out in looking back what the show was about. Sure, So yeah, kids in the industry weren't. It wasn't. It wasn't an industry for kids. It was an exception to have kids in it. And when we're coming you know, we're still in coming out of it, but we're in the midst of that. Children should be seen and not heard. Yeah, you know, era, and we didn't have parking. They didn't give us parking. Really, we didn't have our own dress rooms. We shared a dressing room in the first all of you all yoys, they didn't go that far. So for the first year, the three of us and we were small, so I guess we would fit. We shared, we each shared our The three of us shared one dressing room, the boys and the girls shared another. And it wasn't I think until the well it was it might have been done two years. Everything's foggy. It's like, yeah, five years ago, and then we got dressing rooms, and but our dressing rooms were like off the set.

Completely different, really really completely different for insidious reasons that you can't see. Today. Attitudes about the industry have changed. The importance of the industry has grown. The treatment of children and professional children is completely different. Certainly and probably repeating myself, but the focus on celebrity is totally different today than it was back then. The focus on entertainment as a financial engine an industry. I mean, these were the visions of conglomerates, and the other parts of those conglomerates were bigger than the movie and television industries, you know, so there was far less focus on entertainment specifically for kids. It was like kids. It wasn't a kids medium. Matter of fact, there was no judging of any of the product by from the point of view of it being a children's program. They got we got slaved, you know, by by critics for being banal and simple, and truthfully, it was because it was a very primary show, because it was about kids and family andes and done in a in a very straightforward, digestible, simple way. You know, it was the blocking and tackling of life in a home, and to be criticized for that was them not understanding who was aimed at. Really, I mean, because today, if somebody's reviewing a Disney show for kids, they have different glasses on than when they're then than when they're doing you know, any you know pinter, you know, reviewing you know, what's considered to be literature. But then our television has become our new literature. So it was at a time when people didn't regard anything on television, especially as important, and certainly our show was on the tail end of importance, so you know, it was it was scoffed at because it was so simple, and my family were artists and they picked up on that scoffing and believed it to be true. But that's not as it's turned out in looking back what the show was about. Sure, So yeah, kids in the industry weren't. It wasn't. It wasn't an industry for kids. It was an exception to have kids in it. And when we're coming you know, we're still in coming out of it, but we're in the midst of that. Children should be seen and not heard. Yeah, you know, era, and we didn't have parking. They didn't give us parking. Really, we didn't have our own dress rooms. We shared a dressing room in the first all of you all yoys, they didn't go that far. So for the first year, the three of us and we were small, so I guess we would fit. We shared, we each shared our The three of us shared one dressing room, the boys and the girls shared another. And it wasn't I think until the well it was it might have been done two years. Everything's foggy. It's like, yeah, five years ago, and then we got dressing rooms, and but our dressing rooms were like off the set.

You know.

You know.

We didn't have parking until the fifth year on on the lot, and the parking we had was off lot that we had to pay monthly for. It wasn't part of our deals. So, I mean, the the the the power that a child walks into a show with today, ever since Gary Coleman sort of you know, broke the bank on his show, I'm like a first child to do so it was a recognition that the child is perhaps the star of the show and should get the line chair. It wouldn't have been that way because most children aren't going to have been a star other than Shirley Temple, uh, you know, coming into a product like that. I mean, Patty Dupe was an adult when she was doing the Petty.

We didn't have parking until the fifth year on on the lot, and the parking we had was off lot that we had to pay monthly for. It wasn't part of our deals. So, I mean, the the the the power that a child walks into a show with today, ever since Gary Coleman sort of you know, broke the bank on his show, I'm like a first child to do so it was a recognition that the child is perhaps the star of the show and should get the line chair. It wouldn't have been that way because most children aren't going to have been a star other than Shirley Temple, uh, you know, coming into a product like that. I mean, Patty Dupe was an adult when she was doing the Petty.

I mean, even David Cassidy was the only reason he signed his big contract is because the network didn't care enough about him to realize he was seventeen when he signed. So he signed a crappy contract at seventeen, and it was his agent who went, you can't sign that you're underage.

I mean, even David Cassidy was the only reason he signed his big contract is because the network didn't care enough about him to realize he was seventeen when he signed. So he signed a crappy contract at seventeen, and it was his agent who went, you can't sign that you're underage.

So at all, his parents didn't sign his contract for him. No, did your your parents signed your contract for us? It was it was valid. It wasn't as you could get out from under it because you were you signed it when I was you know, ten or eleven. That was I don't frankly know whether or not my hand hit the page. It probably was a parent signing for you.

So at all, his parents didn't sign his contract for him. No, did your your parents signed your contract for us? It was it was valid. It wasn't as you could get out from under it because you were you signed it when I was you know, ten or eleven. That was I don't frankly know whether or not my hand hit the page. It probably was a parent signing for you.

Do you remember how many hours you would work on set?

Do you remember how many hours you would work on set?

Yeah? Absolutely, we I mean I think that hasn't changed because that's and that's here in California, different in other states. But it is eight hours a day, one hour for lunch.

Yeah? Absolutely, we I mean I think that hasn't changed because that's and that's here in California, different in other states. But it is eight hours a day, one hour for lunch.

So and that was.

So and that was.

Good for the for the crew, right because we all know and it's not changed that that hours can be long in this industry, endless le long. Not for our show, very cheap show. One of the reasons I believe the network bought it is it could be done really cheaply. But for shows that aren't with kids, you can work well into the night and you know, have you turn around issues and so farth you called in the morning and pay all those penalties. Well, on our show, we're not going to pay any penalties. And we have kids, which there isn't a right to hold after the hours, and we have a welfare worker looking after our best interest. So they're told when they're running right up against the clock, she's right there, getting closer and closer to the ad, you know, tapping her wrists saying that we got a poem, got a pom, get it in this shot. This is your last shot. So at that point that welfare worker has that that authority to pull us off the set, so you know, they have to struggle to get done. So they do all the parent stuff after we're gone. So you know, get a nine o'clock call, we got to be out by six. It's an eight thirty call. We got to be out by five thirty. The crew loved it, that part of the crew that wasn't looking to make extra money in overtime because they could. They they could manage their life right. They could get home to a family that they had and not have to you know, you know, I have no idea what time getting home tonight. They knew too, they were getting done. So but because of that we we had you know, we had thirty pages, thirty five thirty six pages to do in three days.

Good for the for the crew, right because we all know and it's not changed that that hours can be long in this industry, endless le long. Not for our show, very cheap show. One of the reasons I believe the network bought it is it could be done really cheaply. But for shows that aren't with kids, you can work well into the night and you know, have you turn around issues and so farth you called in the morning and pay all those penalties. Well, on our show, we're not going to pay any penalties. And we have kids, which there isn't a right to hold after the hours, and we have a welfare worker looking after our best interest. So they're told when they're running right up against the clock, she's right there, getting closer and closer to the ad, you know, tapping her wrists saying that we got a poem, got a pom, get it in this shot. This is your last shot. So at that point that welfare worker has that that authority to pull us off the set, so you know, they have to struggle to get done. So they do all the parent stuff after we're gone. So you know, get a nine o'clock call, we got to be out by six. It's an eight thirty call. We got to be out by five thirty. The crew loved it, that part of the crew that wasn't looking to make extra money in overtime because they could. They they could manage their life right. They could get home to a family that they had and not have to you know, you know, I have no idea what time getting home tonight. They knew too, they were getting done. So but because of that we we had you know, we had thirty pages, thirty five thirty six pages to do in three days.

Oh wow.

Oh wow.

And and with six kids. That's why the table scenes were you can't do those too often, yeah, because they take forever. Yes, so big group scenes and that's why you also don't go out of the house a whole lot because it's contained and controllable. Lighting was so much different back then, and that's what took all the time. I mean, I mean to take a half an hour forty five minutes to set up a shot. I mean, this was a big volume to have the light. And you notice the backyard, which is not something we could faithfully replicate because it's but you can see it when you watch it, like you had fourteen hundreds. When you go out back, there's a place in your mind you go to. You immediately are assessing it's fake, but it's okay. Yeah, yeah, you allow it, you allow you allowed like I'm good. You know that trees moving around ever being in the same place, it's just as well. But the lighting took so long to light up because there was so much the films was so much slower. There was a filmy, and we didn't ever have outtakes. Really going back to that budget thing and making sure that we were an economical show. They would never print any film that wasn't necessary, and there was nothing ever printed of any of the stuff that would be fun to watch today.

And and with six kids. That's why the table scenes were you can't do those too often, yeah, because they take forever. Yes, so big group scenes and that's why you also don't go out of the house a whole lot because it's contained and controllable. Lighting was so much different back then, and that's what took all the time. I mean, I mean to take a half an hour forty five minutes to set up a shot. I mean, this was a big volume to have the light. And you notice the backyard, which is not something we could faithfully replicate because it's but you can see it when you watch it, like you had fourteen hundreds. When you go out back, there's a place in your mind you go to. You immediately are assessing it's fake, but it's okay. Yeah, yeah, you allow it, you allow you allowed like I'm good. You know that trees moving around ever being in the same place, it's just as well. But the lighting took so long to light up because there was so much the films was so much slower. There was a filmy, and we didn't ever have outtakes. Really going back to that budget thing and making sure that we were an economical show. They would never print any film that wasn't necessary, and there was nothing ever printed of any of the stuff that would be fun to watch today.

Do you remember like going Obviously you've got great memories of things, but do you remember when was there a moment where you as a cast kind of looked and went, wow, there's like a switch that has been flipped on. We have hit the next level with this this show. While you were filming, was it a specific season that you felt the difference on set.

Do you remember like going Obviously you've got great memories of things, but do you remember when was there a moment where you as a cast kind of looked and went, wow, there's like a switch that has been flipped on. We have hit the next level with this this show. While you were filming, was it a specific season that you felt the difference on set.

Or we went to Hawaii well before we went to Grand It was the first time in front of in front of an audience, you know, you know, it's a it's interesting when you're eleven years old, you're you can't even forecast how your life is going to be impacted by this. But it was very strange. I mean, the idea that people you don't know think that they know you makes a little difficult, you know for new people that you're meeting at school because they think that you think that you know, you're better than them. And you know, it's just a weird place to be and and and kids hate that which is different. Like you know, there's a nature of horrors, Mars revolution. You know, they accept evolution, right, it's just the way you know, raise birds and when you start seeing what the pecking order actually is in real life, dinosaurs are pretty nasty. You know, what your idea is, get rid of that thing that's different because it's taking resources. And so if mom doesn't kill it. This my brother will. So that is the way. I mean, there's some part of that that's natural. We're supposed to have evolved beyond it. But tendencies are there, and then you're and you're that you're the the odd duck and so but you can get I learned how to get past it. It's just you know, all of a sudden you're getting that kind of attention. But interestingly, we were you know, sixty nine through seventy four there was there were only three networks, and not in all big cities there might be two. So if anybody and everybody did watch television, that was like other than I mean, nobody watched during primetime local very few. So that's one hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty million people at the time, all divide it up watching television over three channels. So so you get like thirty million, you were just in the top thirty. You needed forty and fifty million to get into the top ten. Up to about twenty four. You're guaranteed you're getting picked up when you're over twenty four, even though you got thirty million eyeballs on you, you know, it's not me and maybe we got picked up only one year for the whole year. Wait, we were always there for thirteen episodes and then the back ten and so we'd have to wait for that pickup. Wow, So it was old time except for one year, except for the fourth year, so even in the fifth season. But you realize that, I mean, there's a time stamp on this show because it's about kids, and the kids are growing up. So it kind of got a little awkward at the end there, and you recognize that if it's not canceled, maybe it should be. Because it's not, it doesn't work the same way anymore. And Barry and I have discovered in watching these shows that the better crafted shows were the shows done in the first two seasons, when well, that was that was its strength about those kind of simple lessons that you teach kids between you know, six and fourteen. As soon as you get into the adolescents, you're in a whole different trip, and you know, those kind of simple lessons are a lot more complicated and and not necessarily covered as well in this in this space, in this format. So it had it had a it had a a born on and you know, an exit date that was that was approaching. So in that fifth year we all had five year contracts, it was pretty well assumed we probably weren't coming.

Or we went to Hawaii well before we went to Grand It was the first time in front of in front of an audience, you know, you know, it's a it's interesting when you're eleven years old, you're you can't even forecast how your life is going to be impacted by this. But it was very strange. I mean, the idea that people you don't know think that they know you makes a little difficult, you know for new people that you're meeting at school because they think that you think that you know, you're better than them. And you know, it's just a weird place to be and and and kids hate that which is different. Like you know, there's a nature of horrors, Mars revolution. You know, they accept evolution, right, it's just the way you know, raise birds and when you start seeing what the pecking order actually is in real life, dinosaurs are pretty nasty. You know, what your idea is, get rid of that thing that's different because it's taking resources. And so if mom doesn't kill it. This my brother will. So that is the way. I mean, there's some part of that that's natural. We're supposed to have evolved beyond it. But tendencies are there, and then you're and you're that you're the the odd duck and so but you can get I learned how to get past it. It's just you know, all of a sudden you're getting that kind of attention. But interestingly, we were you know, sixty nine through seventy four there was there were only three networks, and not in all big cities there might be two. So if anybody and everybody did watch television, that was like other than I mean, nobody watched during primetime local very few. So that's one hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty million people at the time, all divide it up watching television over three channels. So so you get like thirty million, you were just in the top thirty. You needed forty and fifty million to get into the top ten. Up to about twenty four. You're guaranteed you're getting picked up when you're over twenty four, even though you got thirty million eyeballs on you, you know, it's not me and maybe we got picked up only one year for the whole year. Wait, we were always there for thirteen episodes and then the back ten and so we'd have to wait for that pickup. Wow, So it was old time except for one year, except for the fourth year, so even in the fifth season. But you realize that, I mean, there's a time stamp on this show because it's about kids, and the kids are growing up. So it kind of got a little awkward at the end there, and you recognize that if it's not canceled, maybe it should be. Because it's not, it doesn't work the same way anymore. And Barry and I have discovered in watching these shows that the better crafted shows were the shows done in the first two seasons, when well, that was that was its strength about those kind of simple lessons that you teach kids between you know, six and fourteen. As soon as you get into the adolescents, you're in a whole different trip, and you know, those kind of simple lessons are a lot more complicated and and not necessarily covered as well in this in this space, in this format. So it had it had a it had a a born on and you know, an exit date that was that was approaching. So in that fifth year we all had five year contracts, it was pretty well assumed we probably weren't coming.

Back fifth years. Oliver, Right, that's when they start bringing Yes, yeah, well I mean to see, that's what they're trying to do.

Back fifth years. Oliver, Right, that's when they start bringing Yes, yeah, well I mean to see, that's what they're trying to do.

It's fine to bring on the someplace a raft to jump onto.

It's fine to bring on the someplace a raft to jump onto.

When Brian Bonsall comes on to Family Ties, they're like, it's probably tying to the show up.

When Brian Bonsall comes on to Family Ties, they're like, it's probably tying to the show up.

Yeah, Oliver was before there was jumping over the shark.

Yeah, Oliver was before there was jumping over the shark.

Yeah. Now, I just going back to you getting started. Did you want to be an actor as a child.

Yeah. Now, I just going back to you getting started. Did you want to be an actor as a child.

No, I mean no, I was too shy to ever want that or even think about it matter. I thought it was weird when I was on the show and people would be writing me like fan mail. Right, It's like, who is this president? Why are they I don't know them, Well, they see you on television. I go, and they knew enough to write and knew how to get.

No, I mean no, I was too shy to ever want that or even think about it matter. I thought it was weird when I was on the show and people would be writing me like fan mail. Right, It's like, who is this president? Why are they I don't know them, Well, they see you on television. I go, and they knew enough to write and knew how to get.

It to me. I go.

It to me. I go.

I would have never thought of that. I never even thought that. I know they're real people, but I never thought of them as real people. So I was assessing myself against those who were actually watching from the other position and thinking they're a lot smarter than I am that they even thought that through. I mean, life was rather immediate for me, you know, it was just something to consume in the moment, and I never took any of that and embraced it as fully as fans were at that point.

I would have never thought of that. I never even thought that. I know they're real people, but I never thought of them as real people. So I was assessing myself against those who were actually watching from the other position and thinking they're a lot smarter than I am that they even thought that through. I mean, life was rather immediate for me, you know, it was just something to consume in the moment, and I never took any of that and embraced it as fully as fans were at that point.

It was, I know, what was your question, A just if you wanted to be an actor, if this was something you were you were hoping to do.

It was, I know, what was your question, A just if you wanted to be an actor, if this was something you were you were hoping to do.

Or it was something my parents my dad, you know, first generation here, so his parents are here, but they're you know, very European and old school, you know, family members worked to support the family. So my dad's idea, he was an actor. And that's an interesting story right there, the idea of television. Who was a stage actor. That's where real actors worked because there were artists and the only people who did television or sell outs movies were okay, you know, but still acting was done on you know, on stage on stage. Hard to make money there, but you could be excused from your peer group if you had a family and needed to feed them doing television. Otherwise you don't needed an excuse to when he starts having kids and he has no way of affording them. Living in New York City. His father had already moved out here to retire for the weather, and we drove cross country. This is before the highway, well fifty nine. The highway system was you know, getting put in, you know, from the early fifties, so it was barely done. We drove cross country to do Thanksgiving with his dad, that was the idea, and then we're going to drive back. We never went back because he had an agent in LA which or an office. His agent had an office in LA from New York and there was this thing called television you could make some money at. He was coming out here and not only do things, get me to check out the opportunities might be in this relatively new industry television. Not that he wanted to do it, but he had his family had to support. And it reminded me. I remembered that when all of a sudden this thing called reality television started and people at the front end of that arc were thinking that this was a blip, it was a change that was going to die. It was a fad. It was you know, when you look at the economics of producing reality television, it's like it's not a fat this is this is a new genre of television, a new type of television, and it too was scowled upon, you know when it first began, and I was a big business and no one would do it initially, sort of like television. That was the age when he was coming into television. Was that feel of television was the similar feel that we as actors had about reality television when it started.

Or it was something my parents my dad, you know, first generation here, so his parents are here, but they're you know, very European and old school, you know, family members worked to support the family. So my dad's idea, he was an actor. And that's an interesting story right there, the idea of television. Who was a stage actor. That's where real actors worked because there were artists and the only people who did television or sell outs movies were okay, you know, but still acting was done on you know, on stage on stage. Hard to make money there, but you could be excused from your peer group if you had a family and needed to feed them doing television. Otherwise you don't needed an excuse to when he starts having kids and he has no way of affording them. Living in New York City. His father had already moved out here to retire for the weather, and we drove cross country. This is before the highway, well fifty nine. The highway system was you know, getting put in, you know, from the early fifties, so it was barely done. We drove cross country to do Thanksgiving with his dad, that was the idea, and then we're going to drive back. We never went back because he had an agent in LA which or an office. His agent had an office in LA from New York and there was this thing called television you could make some money at. He was coming out here and not only do things, get me to check out the opportunities might be in this relatively new industry television. Not that he wanted to do it, but he had his family had to support. And it reminded me. I remembered that when all of a sudden this thing called reality television started and people at the front end of that arc were thinking that this was a blip, it was a change that was going to die. It was a fad. It was you know, when you look at the economics of producing reality television, it's like it's not a fat this is this is a new genre of television, a new type of television, and it too was scowled upon, you know when it first began, and I was a big business and no one would do it initially, sort of like television. That was the age when he was coming into television. Was that feel of television was the similar feel that we as actors had about reality television when it started.

Do you remember your audition?

Do you remember your audition?

No, No, I cannot recall. Well. I mean I had I had no experience, really had no talent. But it was hard for me. It's hard for me to speak. I couldn't.

No, No, I cannot recall. Well. I mean I had I had no experience, really had no talent. But it was hard for me. It's hard for me to speak. I couldn't.

I mean, like I because of your nerves, because you were shy.

I mean, like I because of your nerves, because you were shy.

Well would turn out I mean freaking a d d uh and and dyslexia, so I couldn't cold read. But no, it's like instead of a sentence coming out, like like all bullets had to come out at one time, and then they would you know, blurted out. It's like you know, it was it was it wasn't natural, you know, I mean, it wasn't something that was studied. It was again my parents, you know, do commercials, and then the commercials you know, grew into this and and though I love the environment, I mean I really because it was an environment that was supportive of us, you know, and it was a safe arbor, and it was one that also required our partnticipation in our participation.

Well would turn out I mean freaking a d d uh and and dyslexia, so I couldn't cold read. But no, it's like instead of a sentence coming out, like like all bullets had to come out at one time, and then they would you know, blurted out. It's like you know, it was it was it wasn't natural, you know, I mean, it wasn't something that was studied. It was again my parents, you know, do commercials, and then the commercials you know, grew into this and and though I love the environment, I mean I really because it was an environment that was supportive of us, you know, and it was a safe arbor, and it was one that also required our partnticipation in our participation.

H was.

H was.

Valued, Yeah, I mean really necessary. And and you were a needed cog and that was a different kind of feeling, you know, other than being sort of in the way and a burden possibly, you know. And and in a world that we were, nourishment or just stuff is not an abundance all of a sudden, you have this place where there is an abundance of care and oversight. And I needed that. So for me, this whole idea of television being a bad place for kids, it's like, yeah, I can't disagree, but in my case, was kind of saved the day.

Valued, Yeah, I mean really necessary. And and you were a needed cog and that was a different kind of feeling, you know, other than being sort of in the way and a burden possibly, you know. And and in a world that we were, nourishment or just stuff is not an abundance all of a sudden, you have this place where there is an abundance of care and oversight. And I needed that. So for me, this whole idea of television being a bad place for kids, it's like, yeah, I can't disagree, but in my case, was kind of saved the day.

Yeah. No, it all depends on the set, because our set was the same way. Our set was a really wonderful, safe, nurturing kind of place to be and what you're going to do next.

Yeah. No, it all depends on the set, because our set was the same way. Our set was a really wonderful, safe, nurturing kind of place to be and what you're going to do next.

And coming back to that, that's what Sure was looking for in children. He didn't want actor kids. He wanted kids who could act or at least remember the line, but that were real and and I brought that in abundance. I mean, I think Our interviews were just you know, some toys on a desk, you know, and you come in and and you know, just interact with them. I don't believe there was a test because go back then, they would have had to have done that somewhere where there's a camera, yeah, you know, and I don't remember going to a stage for any of that. There might have been, there had to have been, but I don't recall and there was never any you know, acting as part of the process. It was just a personality give and take, you know, like you're in a sandbox.

And coming back to that, that's what Sure was looking for in children. He didn't want actor kids. He wanted kids who could act or at least remember the line, but that were real and and I brought that in abundance. I mean, I think Our interviews were just you know, some toys on a desk, you know, and you come in and and you know, just interact with them. I don't believe there was a test because go back then, they would have had to have done that somewhere where there's a camera, yeah, you know, and I don't remember going to a stage for any of that. There might have been, there had to have been, but I don't recall and there was never any you know, acting as part of the process. It was just a personality give and take, you know, like you're in a sandbox.

Did you all get along right from the start, all kids or was there some getting to know your time?

Did you all get along right from the start, all kids or was there some getting to know your time?

It was it was an exceptional group. I remember I thought that Barry was a dick because but you know, so the pilot we're doing the so firstly, that's the other thing, you know, never experienced anything where you didn't leave and never see those actors ever again, right, because that's I mean, there's a reason why actors are very personable and friendly and approachable, because it's it's all it's an immediate it's a it's a learned response, and maintaining those friendships has becomes you know, something that either difficult or impossible because you're just meeting too many new people all the time. But that could end up being, you know, an unexercised muscle. And then you end up with casts that I've known my entire life, and that's incredibly unique. And so this would be the first cast that I number one worked for over two weeks, and secondly that there would be this idea of coming back to see again. So I remember that doing a pilot, you know, the shoot was two weeks or something like that, and and I remember again sharing the same dressing room. We're doing this one mostly on location. I remember the tuxedo scenes. We had to get out of our tuxedos at lunch. We had to get out whatever worder where we were in at lunch. Could They didn't trust us as ten year olds to the letter to eat properly, So remove your clothes before you go eat, put them back on. So I remember Barry, he was always an adult. He was the youngest in his family, two older brothers, so he pretty much probably wanted to be them, and he would be. He was always with his hand in his pocket with that little tuxon, clicking something. And I'm just this kid, you know, wide eyed everything it's all new, you know, and just reacting to it. You know, I'm looking at his you know, his pocket or him and he says, looks down at me. At one point he says, you know what that is? And I said, you know, and he's he's older, so he's intimidating at this point. Don't know him well enough right to, you know, to be buddies with him. And he says, well, I want you to guess what this is by the end of the day. That's was something I had to do, right because he said I had to do it. He's older than so like instead of just pissing on the ground, I mean, I'm gonna figure out what it is. At lunch there were his pants in the in our dressing room, which was like, you know, a star wagon at the time. Perfect, So could it be that? Is that whatever that was that was in his pocket is still there? Sure enough it was, and sure enough he'd find he'd come in right as my hand was in his pocket of his pants and I'm grabbing a lighter and I don't know what it is now, but yeah, I reached into your pants to get you know, pants were off. I mean, but it was like, you know, and it's like, so, so, you know, I'm ten years old. This was September October of sixteen eight. We do the pilot, we're gonna know about a pickup, and that's something you know. I'd never done a pilot, so you know, I didn't really know what the process was. But sometime in spring we'd find out whether or not you got picked up. But clearly, you know, mom, Dad's idea was never gonna get picked up, so don't worry. But then a phone call comes, you know, and I remember at the time, I was trying to figure out how to do a backflip. I didn't know how to do it, and you know, funny things you remember. Because the phone call came and it was like you got picked up, and I was like, oh, I wish I know I did do a backflip. Do a backflip right now, And I thought, oh, no, I'm gonna have to see him again. That was the first thought I had, you know, because it's kind of like kind of left it, kind of like I don't think that was the last state it might have been, you know, the whole Lighter incident, and I just felt like a fool and it's like, I'd like to leave that behind, but I also kind of liked what we did, and it'd be nice to see some of those people again, you know. So I didn't know where it would pick up, you know, I was you know, there's a lot of stuff going on underneath that you know, X stair at the time and so but but Barry was it was was right from the get go. From that point forward was friendly, if you will. Yeah, and then and then and and and it's because of all the parents around us and that environment. It just we became you know, we modeled what we were, what we were saying, you know, or behaving like on the show. We were just like, you know, be supportive of one another, you know. And and it was, I mean, in this world now, in this new world, everybody looking at us, we were you know, we all had the same experience.

It was it was an exceptional group. I remember I thought that Barry was a dick because but you know, so the pilot we're doing the so firstly, that's the other thing, you know, never experienced anything where you didn't leave and never see those actors ever again, right, because that's I mean, there's a reason why actors are very personable and friendly and approachable, because it's it's all it's an immediate it's a it's a learned response, and maintaining those friendships has becomes you know, something that either difficult or impossible because you're just meeting too many new people all the time. But that could end up being, you know, an unexercised muscle. And then you end up with casts that I've known my entire life, and that's incredibly unique. And so this would be the first cast that I number one worked for over two weeks, and secondly that there would be this idea of coming back to see again. So I remember that doing a pilot, you know, the shoot was two weeks or something like that, and and I remember again sharing the same dressing room. We're doing this one mostly on location. I remember the tuxedo scenes. We had to get out of our tuxedos at lunch. We had to get out whatever worder where we were in at lunch. Could They didn't trust us as ten year olds to the letter to eat properly, So remove your clothes before you go eat, put them back on. So I remember Barry, he was always an adult. He was the youngest in his family, two older brothers, so he pretty much probably wanted to be them, and he would be. He was always with his hand in his pocket with that little tuxon, clicking something. And I'm just this kid, you know, wide eyed everything it's all new, you know, and just reacting to it. You know, I'm looking at his you know, his pocket or him and he says, looks down at me. At one point he says, you know what that is? And I said, you know, and he's he's older, so he's intimidating at this point. Don't know him well enough right to, you know, to be buddies with him. And he says, well, I want you to guess what this is by the end of the day. That's was something I had to do, right because he said I had to do it. He's older than so like instead of just pissing on the ground, I mean, I'm gonna figure out what it is. At lunch there were his pants in the in our dressing room, which was like, you know, a star wagon at the time. Perfect, So could it be that? Is that whatever that was that was in his pocket is still there? Sure enough it was, and sure enough he'd find he'd come in right as my hand was in his pocket of his pants and I'm grabbing a lighter and I don't know what it is now, but yeah, I reached into your pants to get you know, pants were off. I mean, but it was like, you know, and it's like, so, so, you know, I'm ten years old. This was September October of sixteen eight. We do the pilot, we're gonna know about a pickup, and that's something you know. I'd never done a pilot, so you know, I didn't really know what the process was. But sometime in spring we'd find out whether or not you got picked up. But clearly, you know, mom, Dad's idea was never gonna get picked up, so don't worry. But then a phone call comes, you know, and I remember at the time, I was trying to figure out how to do a backflip. I didn't know how to do it, and you know, funny things you remember. Because the phone call came and it was like you got picked up, and I was like, oh, I wish I know I did do a backflip. Do a backflip right now, And I thought, oh, no, I'm gonna have to see him again. That was the first thought I had, you know, because it's kind of like kind of left it, kind of like I don't think that was the last state it might have been, you know, the whole Lighter incident, and I just felt like a fool and it's like, I'd like to leave that behind, but I also kind of liked what we did, and it'd be nice to see some of those people again, you know. So I didn't know where it would pick up, you know, I was you know, there's a lot of stuff going on underneath that you know, X stair at the time and so but but Barry was it was was right from the get go. From that point forward was friendly, if you will. Yeah, and then and then and and and it's because of all the parents around us and that environment. It just we became you know, we modeled what we were, what we were saying, you know, or behaving like on the show. We were just like, you know, be supportive of one another, you know. And and it was, I mean, in this world now, in this new world, everybody looking at us, we were you know, we all had the same experience.

That's really amazing. So you're you're coming up together on a show.

That's really amazing. So you're you're coming up together on a show.

Are you.

Are you.

Realizing that the show is becoming something as.

Realizing that the show is becoming something as.

You're on the show. Well, that's the long answer to that question, because half an hour ago you asked it. Well, no, because we weren't sure how successful we were, right, we're kids in reviews on a show, a show that my mom says, shouldn't he be on the air? And so yeah, we go to Hawaii. We get reactions from people, nice, warm reactions, and the show is a big enough success to last five years, yea, and it probably and back then shows other than Bonanza and gun Smoke didn't last you know, five years was a good run, I mean, you know, and we were going to time out, so there was some feeling that it was a success, but not an overwhelming feeling like how many people we we affected. So part of this experience has been living in you know it with life in the review mirror. It's changed, not just a view of it, but it's changed it. Its value has changed over time because of its length, and so it's only gained more and more audience over the years. And probably you know, I mean generation it's the second most watched television series of all time, you know, after I Love Lucy's is an esteem place to be. And I say it's transcended its original intent. You know, it was entertainment, and it has become a touchstone and representation and if you think about it's like the last of its genre of you know, there's been other family shows. But if you try, if you look back, if you tried to do what we did today, you couldn't because I mean, I don't know if the cat's out of the bag or life is just never going to be that simple again. Can't people trade that way unless it's, you know, a cartoon, because what we've learned too much we come to I don't know. I mean, I just don't know how you would do it with that kind of sweetness, And.

You're on the show. Well, that's the long answer to that question, because half an hour ago you asked it. Well, no, because we weren't sure how successful we were, right, we're kids in reviews on a show, a show that my mom says, shouldn't he be on the air? And so yeah, we go to Hawaii. We get reactions from people, nice, warm reactions, and the show is a big enough success to last five years, yea, and it probably and back then shows other than Bonanza and gun Smoke didn't last you know, five years was a good run, I mean, you know, and we were going to time out, so there was some feeling that it was a success, but not an overwhelming feeling like how many people we we affected. So part of this experience has been living in you know it with life in the review mirror. It's changed, not just a view of it, but it's changed it. Its value has changed over time because of its length, and so it's only gained more and more audience over the years. And probably you know, I mean generation it's the second most watched television series of all time, you know, after I Love Lucy's is an esteem place to be. And I say it's transcended its original intent. You know, it was entertainment, and it has become a touchstone and representation and if you think about it's like the last of its genre of you know, there's been other family shows. But if you try, if you look back, if you tried to do what we did today, you couldn't because I mean, I don't know if the cat's out of the bag or life is just never going to be that simple again. Can't people trade that way unless it's, you know, a cartoon, because what we've learned too much we come to I don't know. I mean, I just don't know how you would do it with that kind of sweetness, And.

Yeah, I don't think it would. You almost it's it's kind of like the Brady Bunch movie where you almost had to parody it nowadays.

Yeah, I don't think it would. You almost it's it's kind of like the Brady Bunch movie where you almost had to parody it nowadays.

Well in that ya, that's a fish, that's a fish out of water. Well I thought through the eyes of some seven year old that I was I think made aware of by a fan who brought their daughter to the movie at the time and who had wanted to go because they watched the show and they were so disappointed in a movie. So for a that's an adult view of their of their childhood, of their simple, their simplistic view of themselves at the time, laughing at themselves. So that's what the movie is. It's it's the Brady's as these well portrayed as sort of bumbling mister mcgoo's superheroes. But really what it is is looking back on your childhood with adult eyes, you know, laughing at how simple you used to think it was. And but that doesn't work for the seven year old, right, that's a whole different story. It's not the spirit of the show. But it wasn't. That wasn't for the kids watching the show. It was for the kids at the time.

Well in that ya, that's a fish, that's a fish out of water. Well I thought through the eyes of some seven year old that I was I think made aware of by a fan who brought their daughter to the movie at the time and who had wanted to go because they watched the show and they were so disappointed in a movie. So for a that's an adult view of their of their childhood, of their simple, their simplistic view of themselves at the time, laughing at themselves. So that's what the movie is. It's it's the Brady's as these well portrayed as sort of bumbling mister mcgoo's superheroes. But really what it is is looking back on your childhood with adult eyes, you know, laughing at how simple you used to think it was. And but that doesn't work for the seven year old, right, that's a whole different story. It's not the spirit of the show. But it wasn't. That wasn't for the kids watching the show. It was for the kids at the time.

It was.

It was.

It was for the kids who used to watch the show, who have grown up and you've left that behind.

It was for the kids who used to watch the show, who have grown up and you've left that behind.

It.

It.

It's like a size that like putting on old pants that you know they don't fit anymore. Look at how silly this is. You know, look how small my shoes were, and you're just kind of like tickled by it. Yeah, that's what the show, That's what the movies were.

It's like a size that like putting on old pants that you know they don't fit anymore. Look at how silly this is. You know, look how small my shoes were, and you're just kind of like tickled by it. Yeah, that's what the show, That's what the movies were.

Now. I was always curious whose idea. I mean, do you remember do you remember the discussion that ever took place, or did they come and talk to you about the fact that the Bradys were now going to kind of move in a music direction? I mean, how did how did this come about? It was this because the Partridge family, I mean, what happened well.

Now. I was always curious whose idea. I mean, do you remember do you remember the discussion that ever took place, or did they come and talk to you about the fact that the Bradys were now going to kind of move in a music direction? I mean, how did how did this come about? It was this because the Partridge family, I mean, what happened well.

Conspiring parties, probably the dominant parties were Barry and my mom really of all people. So we had some difficulties reconciling that after the show. Is because I have no musical talent whatsoever, and unlike most people, I don't you know, I don't believe people should sing who can't sing? Right? I mean, what in the hell would I do? What would be fun about going to a karaoke bar? Even if I didn't have to sing? Why do I want to be there? You know, there's enough people with talent, let them do the freaking singing, you know, and not everybody can sing. I mean, if there's that that statement I got the music in me, well, then at the other end of the spectrum is that person that doesn't have the music in them right? And let them be you know. Well, now we're a little tree. Well yeah, so my mom has a business mind, you know, watching you know the Osmond's and the Jackson's and and the DeFranco's, and you know, and then you know, Bobby Sherman and David Cassid and everybody. You can make money selling albums. We should do the same.

Conspiring parties, probably the dominant parties were Barry and my mom really of all people. So we had some difficulties reconciling that after the show. Is because I have no musical talent whatsoever, and unlike most people, I don't you know, I don't believe people should sing who can't sing? Right? I mean, what in the hell would I do? What would be fun about going to a karaoke bar? Even if I didn't have to sing? Why do I want to be there? You know, there's enough people with talent, let them do the freaking singing, you know, and not everybody can sing. I mean, if there's that that statement I got the music in me, well, then at the other end of the spectrum is that person that doesn't have the music in them right? And let them be you know. Well, now we're a little tree. Well yeah, so my mom has a business mind, you know, watching you know the Osmond's and the Jackson's and and the DeFranco's, and you know, and then you know, Bobby Sherman and David Cassid and everybody. You can make money selling albums. We should do the same.

Wow.

Wow.

It probably dawned on her or the idea took hold one one, you know, the third ye or fourth year, because Florence was doing a show, a live show, and she approached my mom, the mom's the boys she wanted. She had an idea about maybe having the three boys be a small segment on of her show. It never worked out, but somehow that idea kind of took hold, and the next thing, you know, we're doing a Christmas album. Wow, and you know, I mean a rhythmic and tone deaf.

It probably dawned on her or the idea took hold one one, you know, the third ye or fourth year, because Florence was doing a show, a live show, and she approached my mom, the mom's the boys she wanted. She had an idea about maybe having the three boys be a small segment on of her show. It never worked out, but somehow that idea kind of took hold, and the next thing, you know, we're doing a Christmas album. Wow, and you know, I mean a rhythmic and tone deaf.

It was.

It was.

It was humiliating, and then the music starts coming into the show itself and and I know, sure, what is his has? What did share that that he that was being forced on? He didn't really want that. That was bearing, you know, and and our moms and and trying, you know, forcing a career after this thing. And I hated every I didn't want to do that. I mean, it's like I didn't want to be I just made me. And then that those albums we recorded more, and then we did concerts and I couldn't do a solo. You know, there's no way in the world. So it was like what am I doing here? It was like, you know, my mom's you know, literally just looking at it as business. It's like, Mom, if you really wanted to be in music, maybe we would have had music at home, you know, and and lesson and it was and then I took a really strident kind of attitude. Again, it polarized me against music, you know, as an enemy of sorts. So but that's the reason, because it was, you know, Barry wanted to be Tom Jones from the early stage, you know, and and that was it, and and and this show was a vehicle to get there.

It was humiliating, and then the music starts coming into the show itself and and I know, sure, what is his has? What did share that that he that was being forced on? He didn't really want that. That was bearing, you know, and and our moms and and trying, you know, forcing a career after this thing. And I hated every I didn't want to do that. I mean, it's like I didn't want to be I just made me. And then that those albums we recorded more, and then we did concerts and I couldn't do a solo. You know, there's no way in the world. So it was like what am I doing here? It was like, you know, my mom's you know, literally just looking at it as business. It's like, Mom, if you really wanted to be in music, maybe we would have had music at home, you know, and and lesson and it was and then I took a really strident kind of attitude. Again, it polarized me against music, you know, as an enemy of sorts. So but that's the reason, because it was, you know, Barry wanted to be Tom Jones from the early stage, you know, and and that was it, and and and this show was a vehicle to get there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, So you've now talked about Barry a few times. Did you say that you you both are doing a show where you're watching The Brady Bunch.

Yeah, So you've now talked about Barry a few times. Did you say that you you both are doing a show where you're watching The Brady Bunch.

Again, Right, that'd be fun to actually watch it together. But we can't obviously watch it with and then broadcast that that because that would be even that'll be over the top.

Again, Right, that'd be fun to actually watch it together. But we can't obviously watch it with and then broadcast that that because that would be even that'll be over the top.

But so we do.

But so we do.

We've we watched the episode separately. He's and we do our podcast separately. He's in Missouri. But there's a lot of lessons in watching. You know, we haven't watched these episodes for fifty years.

We've we watched the episode separately. He's and we do our podcast separately. He's in Missouri. But there's a lot of lessons in watching. You know, we haven't watched these episodes for fifty years.

Had you watched them since they aired?

Had you watched them since they aired?

No? No, no, I seem to recall so that there was an episode I missed you know that I didn't see in its primetime. I don't remember what episode that might have been, but it doesn't really matter at this point. I don't remember any of the episodes because that was it. That's what I watched. And then if I, you know, change in channels run across it, I don't. I don't watch anything I do. I mean, that's far enough away now that I can watch it and actually with some distance, you know, see it objectively. So this is that that this approach, when we did this show and found our you know, people photographing the house, even forgetting that we were actors, think we lost time. When they've asked us this question, what's your favorite show? And our responses is always Hawaii? But our response is why because we got to go to Hawaii? Is that the question they're asking It might be a favorite show of theirs too, but they're asking us, which show do you enjoy watching? It's like, we don't have an answer for that. So this was that this was getting caught up with our audience. What if they've been watching, what's compelled them to watch it, you know, repetitively over all these years, so that its success only has grown and that's when now there's a new appreciation for the message that was there, because the message is really simple and seemingly as primary as it is one that we consistently need to relearn, and that is just how to get along.