Episode 4 The 'Science' of Abortion

Published May 14, 2021, 9:00 AM

Abortion. Not exactly a topic for dinner conversation, but a topic that's critical to what kind of society we want to have. For this podcast, Anna tells you what the media and our public schools don't want you to hear. She digs into the troubled history of Planned Parenthood and eugenics and reveals some heartbreaking truths about abortion and minorities. Plus, she recounts how a lab experiment involving some chickens opened her eyes on the abortion issue. This will be a conversation on abortion like you've never heard.

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Up next, Luna talks with Anna Paulina Luna part of the gang, which abortion not exactly the topic for dinner conversation, but a topic that's critical to what kind of society we have today. I'll tell you what the media and our public school systems don't want you to hear, but what you really need to know this is Luna talks with Anna Paulina. So a few weeks ago, I was, actually, this is going to be kind of funny store, but I was actually out at a bar and I was talking with my friend Natasha and I, you know, we're both married, so we're clearly not there to meet anyone, and this guy kept coming up, and so I finally said, hey, Natasha, you know, let's let's talk to this guy and we'll just ask him about his views and see if he's actually willing to say whether or not he's in agreement with where we believe for these debates. And so the first thing I hit him was with how did you feel on your stance on abortion? And you would have sworn that I told this guy that I was a flying spaghetti monster. I mean, like, he completely turned white, didn't want to say anything, started backtracking, fumbling, and I was like, I'm just in all actuality, like I'm pro life. I just wanted to see what you would say. And the reason I'm doing this episode is because so many people, especially on this topic, especially as men, don't want to engage on the abortion debate, and it is probably in our lifetime one of the most important and highly controversial issues that we should be all addressing, I think together as a whole. Obviously probably not something you want to bring up at the dinner table, but definitely something that you want to engage with because of really the foundations that abortion and organizations like Planned Parenthood are based upon. But also too, I think that there's a larger implication on what the federal government should have a right and not a right, to tell the states to do. And then there's also this aspect of religious freedom. And then in addition to that, do women according to the science, really have a right to quote unquote choose? And so I think the more important thing to address is what is Roe v. Wade. So the ruing that established the precedence for Roe v. Wade was on January twenty ninety three, and that ruling upheld a woman's quote unquote right to choose, and when we say choose, we mean choose the right to have an abortion. The common misconception that I've heard so much, especially parrotied I think by a lot of people that are pro choice advocates, is this idea that if you overturn Roe v. Wade, does that mean that you will outright actually ban abortion. They constantly say, if, oh, you know, Roe v. Wade happens, if it's overturned, we are going to lose our right altogether. First of all, that's wrong, and overturning of roeby Wood would actually bring it back to the states to decide which is how it should be done. Right. The states could then present evidence based on science and the medical breakthroughs that it currently happened since nineteen seventy three, and really leave it up to the state legislators to decide whether or not that that's something that their state wants to engage in. But currently the federal government says that you cannot actually outright ban abortion. I found it interesting, especially when these Supreme Court justice nominees came up for voting. Previously you had Justice Kavanaugh and then you had a C. B. And it was interesting because this was again one of the reasons why the pro choice advocates were saying that we should, you know, not allow these people to be sworn at is because they were going to outrighte ban abortions. So I wanted to clear up that misconception. But when you talk about this with most people, I realized, you know, I myself, I am a Christian. I believe in God, and I believe in what the Bible says in Jeremiah one five where it says before I formed you in the womb, I knew you before you were born. I set you apart, I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. And to me, that means that God essentially knows all of his creation, to include people that are in utero and people that are yet to be born. It's it's something that I hold true to my own values with, especially on this topic. But when you're talking to someone that might not necessarily believe even God, it's important that you know the science and not everyone's religious. I can tell you that for my beliefs, prior to really I think becoming an outspoken pro life advocate, I didn't necessarily ever agree with the outright choice that women should be you know, quote unquote killing their babies or however you want to term it, you know, terminating embryos, which is what a lot of people like to say. But I did previously believe that maybe the government shouldn't interfere in regards to telling people what to do, right, So that was my viewpoint. It wasn't until my senior year in college that I actually had developmental biology course. And mind you, this was not necessarily your coolest class, right like our professor was. I'm not even kidding, probably about nine two years old, very smart, intelligent man had his doctorate. I think he actually got his doctorate at the at EWF for studying this certain type of snails is tifically known for the state of Florida. But the reason I took this course is because obviously, with your pre rex for going into medical school, I wanted to know and I needed to know about the developmental process of life and what constituted that. And so as part of this experiment, my professor ended up going to a local chicken farm mount in Alabama, and it purchased sixty chicken eggs. Are actually I think the number was initially about a hundred twenty chicken eggs that had been fertilized and that we were then going to incubate in the lab in order for us to actually run experiments on. And so mind you, I'm not at this point thinking, Okay, this cute little chicken, I'm going to be running an experiment on it. I'm thinking, okay, this is science. I'm gonna take this, get my grade, then i can study for the m CAT and I'll be done with it. We start, and we obviously get with our lab partners, and we're assigned this egg that we have to watch for the duration of the semester. And so as I'm sitting there with my lab noteboo and I'm taking notes on this. You have to observe the development of the chicken embryo every single day. And so we had actually removed part of the top of the egg. We cut a little square into the shell of the egg, and then we had these really cool microscopes that you could actually look through and then it would magnify the image and we could actually see the heart beating and the development of the chicken embryo. And finally we get to one of the last parts of our lab where we actually had to cut off with a glass scalpel, which is basically a really sharp kind of little, tiny little knife that you use for dissection, and we had to cut off one of the developing buds for these chickens. I never thought, now that I look back at it, that I would probably ever feel bad about this, But I remember looking intough the microscope and this is, I guess my hall moment. I'm looking down at this chicken, and as I moved the scalpel towards the embryo, which is the baby chicken, the chicken actually moved away from the scalpel. And for whatever reason, I mean, like, not only did I feel bad about this, right like, I'm about to cut off what I think is the developing wing of this chicken to observe the observation process for this lab, but I started thinking about the whole concept of abortion, and I don't know, maybe it's God working in my life at that point in time. But when you see how a chicken would respond to that, imagine how a human embryo would respond to the process of abortion, which is completely I mean, you want to talk about horrifying, watch one of the videos where they actually walk you through the process, and so as I'm thinking about this and as I'm reflecting continuing the experiment, we obviously completed it, and none of the chickens that we experimented on, about half none of them survived because once you subject them to you know, external environmental factors, especially being that it wasn't exactly sanitary conditions, and not to mentioned, we're not going to incubate these things or continue to incubate them knowing that they're going to be completely, you know, deformed. That was it. The experiment was over, and then you essentially basically throughout the egg while my professor I overheard of talking to one of the students in the front of the class. He's like, yeah, I have to stay behind after lab today because I have all these leftover. So you had about sixty leftover chicken embryos and their fertilizer are still on the incubator, so it was projected that they were going to still be hatching, and so I asked him. I was like, wait, wait, professor, what are you going to do with them? He goes, I'm just going to toss him. And I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, especially after I knew what I knew now, I was like, I just did not want to let that happen, and so call me crazy. I actually ended up figuring out with this girl in my class who had grown up on a farm locally, and I guess her stepmother had had a chicken incubator, so she brought up to the lab one day, I took it home, set it up, and then the next day after school is over, I actually drove home with sixty chicken eggs in my car with the heat on a blast, wrapped in a blanket. It was, mind you, in the middle of summer here in Florida, so I want to say it was probably I'm not making this up. It's probably about ninety degrees outside. But you have to make sure that the temperatures in order for these embryos to stay alive during transport, stay the closest that they are to the incubator. So I had to put the heat on. I'm driving home with this. But it was all in the name of life, and in the name of the fact that after observing this process and seeing the scientific basis for what constitutes life literally with a microscope, I could not in good conscious allow these things to just be thrown out with today's garbage. So I brought them home. And this is one of my husband's last deployment, so he wasn't there, and on our skype calls he had called me. And of course, mind you, the chickens at this point had already hatched. Okay, I hand rotated these all through finals and then they start to actually hatch. Well, there's no exact way of quietly hiding the fact that you have sixty chicks in your house. Because had to go get these massive rubber containers and I literally had to take these containers, put them in my living room with you know, the little animal saw that they have for it, which is like those wood chips, put in my living room, and I have all these pee peep peep just all throughout the day, constantly of these chicks, with the lights and the food and all of it in my living room. We are in a small town home. There's really no backyard, and so my husband calls and right as I'm trying to explain what's happening, he goes on a what is that We'll be right back after this quick break. I had to then explain to my husband that I not only had rescued these sixty chicks, but that I then had to figure out what I was going to do with them, because there's no way, in any way, shape or form, we could have had these. So I actually ended up bringing them to some of the local farms, where I knew that they would not be one used as alligator babe, also to that they would be taken care of. But the reason I tell you guys this story is because had I not ever taken that course, had I never taken the developmental biology class at the University of West Florida, I probably would have made the mistake of thinking that I was in the right and that maybe we shouldn't necessarily be involved in talking about this, or at least specifying what people could and could not do to their bodies. But there's an important note to make here. One. Of course, everyone has a right to what they want to put in their body and also to what is on their body. But the fact is, according to science, when you have a separate, developing entity that is no longer your body, that is someone else's body, therefore, you do not have the right to terminate life because you simply do not want to deal with it. And so when we get into these arguments, when we get into these debates on what constitutes life, the one thing that I always question, and I ask people in return, is if you have life on Mars being a multi or single cellular organism, then what's the difference between a multicellular organism in the human body? Right? If I were to go to Mars today and I actually just saw an article from side tech Daily dot com and the title was life on Mars scientists find Mars has the right ingredients for present day microbial life beneath its surface. Could you imagine the outrage within the scientific community if I were to go to Mars, take all those microbial organisms and light them on fire, just completely scorched them to where there was nothing left. They would literally say that I was guilty of a modern day genocide. And honestly, if they're using that same argument for that, that's the argument that we should be using today, especially on the topic of abortion. Human beings are multicellular organisms. We are complicated. Obviously, there's been scientific breakthrough since the seventies where you can observe that there are literally in utero, a baby can stuck its thumb that they respond of the voices of their parents. There is so much scientific evidence and breakthrough since then that that's what needs to be the evidence and foundation for some of these rulings, especially when it impacts something so important as life. And then you get into the whole ideas and knowing the fact that Planned Parenthood one of the biggest for profit abortion agencies in the country that during the Trump administration, thank god, was defunded, but under the current Biden administration is now accepting funding again. But that Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Singer, believed in something called eugenics, and that's something that I believe a lot of pro life organizations and movements have been talking about for very, very long time and up until recently, um, I want to say literally this year. On April seventeen, Planned Parenthood finally came out with a story and it was published in The New York Times titled I'm Head of Planned Parenthood and We're done making excuses for our founder, admitting that Margaret Singer did indeed believe in eugenics. She believed in preventing minority births. There have been countless papers and statistics with her quotes and evidence talking about this. You know the whole argument that minorities need access to plan parenthood, and I'm going to get into this in a second. Why I find this particularly alarming, especially for the Hispanic community and especially for the Black community, is a lot of people will argue, well, because of the lack of socio economic status and that the Black community or the Hispanic community is considered lower income because of that lack of access for insurance, that means that they have no contraceptives, and because of that, being a devil's advocate here, they say that they need access to planned parenthood so that they can get that quote unquote contraceptive care. But being a devil's advocate here, so if the solution is to give access to abortion, not target the insurance issue, which for me makes zero sense. And knowing that planned parenthood has its roots in eugenics, and after I tell you these stats in a second, it's absolutely heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking that more people aren't honest about this that for so long, I think a lot of pro life organizations were titled and labeled as quote unquote fringe and said that they were conspiracy theorists because they were actually putting out this information about Margaret Singer, And it wasn't until literally last week that Planned Parenthood openly admitted that, yes, indeed, Margaret Singer was someone that they did not want to make excuses for anymore. So heartbreaking statistic among white women of pregnancies ended an abortion, But among the Black community you had and an abortion, which is a little over a quarter. And when you're looking at the fact that the Black community is literally the minority community, right we have Hispanic Americans that are the largest voting minority community, but you have Black Americans that are now literally the minority of the minority, and over a quarter of these births are ending in abortion. It is absolutely horrifying. That to me says that not only do we have a horrible issue here in this country to where I think society views children as less than as as expendable, but then you have this aspect of these organizations, in my opinion, targeting minority communities, not showing and not exactly advertising that you can adopt out children or that there's ways that you can get help if you bring a child to um full birthful term without getting an abortion. They don't even want to talk about those issues. You know why, I have Planned parenthood ads, why not put up pro life ads and adoption ads? But they won't do that, and they have the opportunity and money to do that. In fact, adoption is a quote unquote service that Planned Parenthood offers, But when you look at the stats, it makes up a very very very tiny number of what they actually provide. You know, what is eugenic so and some people might not know exactly how far down that rabbit hole goes, right. Eugenics is something that the Nazis did. It's the practice or advocacy of controlled selective breeding of the human population by sterile zation to improve the population's genetic composition. So in Planned Parenthood's case, I would consider that anti minority. You look at the numbers that they're targeting. It is literally the Hispanic demographic and the Black demographic that is targeted for abortion via Planned Parenthood. We have Margaret Singer commenting on the Negro project. Is that which is what she called it? In a letter to Gamble in December tenth ninety nine, Margaret Singer commented on her project the end Project, and I'm not even to say that word because I feel like it's so disgusting but I'll let you guys in for the title that she used. So she called it the End project, and she was in this letter writing, we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the end population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members. So they were essentially using ministers to control the demographic of Black Americans to not let them know that that's exactly what they were up to. How sick is that? So? Furthering on these findings and furthering all these studies, now we come up to modern day stats here that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Abortion Surveillance reports revealed that between two thousand seven and two thousand and ten, nearly thirty six percent of all abortions in the United States were performed on black children, even though Black Americans make up only of our population. And to further that of abortions were performed on Hispanics. We are now the largest voting minority in this country. I cannot say that enough. I know that a large majority of the Hispanic American demographic is absolutely pro life and on these different topics. It was horrifying to me to find out and to observe that during the election cycle that organizations that were faith based, whether they are Catholic, whether they are Christian, pro life organizations were labeled as conspiut yourc theorists and disinformation campaigns by fact checkers, by big tech, and by these four profit lobbying far left organizations that do not want Hispanic Americans to realize that their values that are values as being faith based align that more with the Republican Party than the Democrat Party. So then what do they say? They say, Okay, well, what about instances of rape and incest? And this is one of those things that obviously these are super super sensitive topics, right, like, not everyone is comfortable addressing any of this. But the fact exists is that these cases make up less than one percent of total abortions and that in two thousand four there was a study done on an anonymous survey and they found that less than point zero five percent of abortions were due to rape. And a separate study in eighteen found that in Florida specifically, less than point zero one percent was due to incest. So to use that as I think fearmongering saying that there's this massive need to protect abortion rights because of the fact that these awful things are happening. Yes, of course these are awful things. However, I'm going to tell you why this is so personal to me, and this is something that for a really long time. I think that my husband and I both really debated on whether or not we were going to kind of put this out in the public arena, because it's one of those things that, especially being i'd say political or like being outspoken, people are just mean and they don't necessarily always stay the nicest things. But we'll get back to that one second after this short break, and I'll let you guys know exactly what he had to say. So many people don't know this, but my husband, Andy and his twin brother were actually adopted, and I didn't find out about my husband's adoption. He told me pretty early on in the relationship, but we didn't actually find out who his biological family was until we're together for probably about four were years. And I remember that process in even just you know, it's it's nerve racking, like you're finding out you're about your family. I mean, he was able to track down his biological mom, but like who was his father? I mean, there were so many factors, so many unknowns. And I remember how happy Andy was when he was finally able to connect with his bio family. And I remember thinking, I mean, what his mom must have gone through to not just have him and then adopt them out to an amazing family by the way, or you know, our family is incredible. But the fact that she had to carry two babies full term and then she was able to adopt them out, and that in itself is so hard. But what I'm about to tell you guys next is something that I think a lot of people don't know about us, and it's the fact is that my husband and his twin brother were not conceived in consent. And it always especially on this topic, you know, even before my developmental biology course, even you know, before I think I was as outspoken as I was knowing this. I mean, that's heavy, and I think that anyone would say, wow, how do you how do you process that? Right? Well, the fact is is that most people that you meet you might not know the circumstances in which they're conceived in. I mean, so many people are not going to just go up to you and say hi. You know, my name is Anna Pauline a Luna, and I'm a byproduct of a non consensual event, or I'm a byproduct of rape that just doesn't happen. And you don't know people's true hurt, you don't know their stories, and you don't know who people are behind closed doors. My husband just to give you an idea of who he is as a person though. I mean, not only did he joined the military, obviously you guys heard my story about how he met, but he's absolutely an incredible individual. I mean, he was at the TakeBack of Mosle where he helped literally destroy ISIS and fight terrorism. He received a bronze star and a purple heart. He continuously does works with various nonprofits, to include one called Force Blue that does coral frustration and contributes to saving the environment. But he's not ever going to just tell random people that, And especially on this topic, when we were deciding whether we were going to make this public, the reason why we wanted to do it is because that in itself, I do believe completely shatters the narrative on those people that will say we are not for abortion, except in the event of rape and incest, and that is why we as a family hold the values that we are. We are a HUD unapologetically pro life for that reason. You know. But this idea that abortion is just a woman's argument is something that I've really had to I think wake other people up to, and especially with younger men out there. You know, your voice in this entire argument is so important because it takes two write you have the X y and the xx chromosome that contribute to life, and that is how you make a baby. We won't get into the specifics because I think you guys already know that, but when it comes to a baby, that's half your child, that is half your decision in the matter, and that means that you absolutely do have the ability to use your voice and that your voice matters on this topic and on this argument. But also to for churches to get involved. I find that so many times people tend to hide behind their faith, but it is a faith based value that also says that you need to use your voice on this topic. And then there's a final scientific argument that says that we constitute life on other planets as single celled organisms, Well what about those multicellular organisms in the womb. You know, Nelson Mandela once said that there can be no keener revelation of a society soul than the way that it treats its children. If that's Nelson Mandela, and then we have the stats that I've presented to you today. If we cannot protect our innocent, then who are we as a society? And who have we become? Before we go? I want to thank you guys so much for listening. If you enjoy today's episode, please leave us a review and rate us five stars on Apple Podcasts. You can also find me on all my social media Twitter, Facebook, Parlor, Instagram at Real Ana Paulina And a special thank you to our producer Drew Steele, writer Aaron Kleigman, researcher sits In Bryson, and executive producers Debbie Meyers and Speaker new Ingridge part of the Gingridge three sixty network

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