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Lots to Say: NFL Free Agency and 'What Were They Like?'

Published Mar 12, 2025, 7:00 AM

Bobby Bones asks Matt Cassel about being a scout or GM during NFL Free Agency.  Which of the moves has been game changing or means nothing?  From Josh Allen getting paid to the Rams acquiring Davante Adams.  Where is Aaron Rodgers going to end up?  Matt explains how these moves will help direct teams in the Draft.  Bobby is excited to see how all the QB moves play out.  

'What were they like?' has Bobby and Matt ask about their experiences with Lionel Richie, Tom Brady, and Brett Favre.  'Big Take or Big Fake' on Daniel Jones being a Pro Bowl QB and Dak Prescott winning a Super Bowl.   Matt reveals the Top 3 WRs that he passed to in the NFL and how these players are dealing with changing teams and homes for their families.  Wrapping up, Matt explains more QB terms and defense coverages.

Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network 

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Now here's Bobby that what's up, everybuddy? I think we should start by just talking about all of the moves or lack of moves, but a lot of money being spent. Have you ever thought about Matt getting into like like general managing personnel. Has that ever been something you wanted to do?

It would be it would be fun.

I don't think I would want to get into the player personnel side, just because those guys grind and they're always traveling doing all that stuff. But actually being in the front office and working different types of deals that would be fun. The landscape changed so dramatically since when I came in. I mean you think about even two years ago, salary caps at thirty four. It's at like two seventy five now, So you're just you can sit there and be played with money that's really the owner's money, but at the same time go out get the guys that you want. But it's going to the highest bidder.

You think you'd be a good scout probably, But I'd.

Also I'm one of those guys that's very skeptical. So I'd sit there and I'd probably over evaluate somebody and find more weaknesses than strengths, and then they'd be like, dude, this guy's awesome.

I was like, sorry about that.

I just I thought maybe he'd be he'd be a little bit upset that he uh, he stumbled out of his break or something.

I don't know. I'd just be you know, a little probably too too critical.

I want to go over and use your critical skills here, and let's talk about some of the moves. And even if the player's not moving some of the moves, the teams have made to spend money on some of these players. So I will present what the situation is, and you tell me if you think it is a game changer or.

If it's just you know, stay in the course.

The bills extend Josh Allen six years, three hundred and thirty million dollars with two hundred and fifty million guaranteed.

Wow, it's good time to play quarterback in the NFL.

I think this was just staying the course, obviously goes out wins the MVP. We talked about it the entire year about the talent that surrounded him probably wasn't comparable to other teams, but to go out and have the year that he did proves that he's that guy. And now he's the highest paid quarterback in the league, and deservedly so.

Yeah, and I think we've learned too that if you sign your big players earlier, which is this is an extension more than it is his contract was up, that even if it is a monster deal, when it comes back around when his deal would have been up, they would have it would have cost them a lot more than if they were.

To do it now.

So as much as this is the it's the biggest guaranteed contract of all time with two fifty, although the whole thing is not guaranteed, but the two fifty is more than when the Browns made their knucklehead full guaranteed contract to Deshaun Watson. But what's going to happen is in six years you're gonna go, oh, yeah, that was kind of a deal in comparison to what you know teams are paying now.

So yeah, they had to do it. You didn't want to lose your guy.

If you get a quarterback, now, the last thing you want to do is let him go, especially if he's like a in the top third of quarterbacks. So yeah, I'm with you, but it was a move that needed to be made. Let's go to the Rams signing Davante Adams. The deals two years, forty six million dollars, twenty six million guaranteed.

I like it to bring in a guy like Davante Adams. He can still play, there's no doubt about that. Put him in Sean McVay with a veteran quarterback with Matthew Stafford, which they.

Redid his deal as well.

Now you've got a true guy on the outside and an alpha alpha male that he's going to go out and produce. And I think that there's question marks about Davante personality wise. From the Raiders you saw him on. What was the It wasn't the hard knocks, it was the wide receiver. Yeah, wide receiver, And you had some questions there going up man. I mean, from a personality standpoint, he ruffles the feathers a little bit, but at the same time, he's still a hell of a player and will add a tremendous amount of value for that team in that offensive unit.

And I think Cup is as good as gone. You know, they even did the ah we loved La. We hate to go, but it looks like we're gonna have to go. But with Devanta Adams and Pooka and Stafford, you know, is this the time of just putting it all on your offense, like all your money, just going full offense and just hoping your defense can keep you in games.

Well that's the thing about the Rams too, when you look at what they've done. They've drafted really well, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. They've got a ton of value on that side. So they're young, they're aggressive. You saw them in the playoffs. They just got better and better as the year went on. Now they sustained a lot of injuries on the offensive side the ball. But if you surround Matthew Stafford as talented as he is, with a true grouping of wide receivers on the outside, I mean this team will compete for championships because that's the type of caliber I believe matt Stafford is. So protect him up front and also put talent around him on the out outside. I think that they have a great recipe for success.

The Steelers traded for DK Metcalf and so the Seahawks got a twenty twenty five second round pick and a late round pickswap for this upcoming draft. The Steelers get DK Metcalf and so with that though, so they have DK and now they have George Pickens. George Pickens, what do you think about that trade for the second round pick.

I think it's awesome.

Dk Metcalf is an absolute beast and he produces, he's consistent, he's usually healthy, so he's a true number one wide receiver. Then you have George Pickens on the other side. I mean you've got two potentially number one guys on the outside. There puts you in a really good position at a playmaking standpoint for the Steelers.

I think this is great trade.

I like at Pittsburgh though, and it's like, who's going to throw the ball to those guys? You know, this morning it was Rogers to Pittsburgh, after it was Rogers to the Giants, and both of our predictions, I was mine was a giant Jorse with Pittsburgh. So I mean, if they get Aaron Rodgers in that is that offense is going to be good.

They're gonna be really good, and that might be the play is saying, hey, look we just went out and got DK Metcalf. Now you've got George Pickens DK Metcalf. Is it Pat Fryarmouth as their tied end run down the middle? So you've got these three components, and that's attractive to any quarterback because if you're Aaron Rodgers, you're looking about where can I go in and have success? Where do they have people around me that can help me be the player that I need to be. Same thing when Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay at the end of his career, he went there because of the talent on that roster, particularly on the offensive to side. So it becomes more attractive to a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers when you go out and you spend the money on another number one wide receiver, I think.

That they could be really good.

But they definitely don't know who's going to be quarterback, but they put themselves in a position at least to make a play and make it attractive place to come.

Miles Garrett was extended by the Browns, and this was a soap opera because Miles Garrett put an ad in the paper in Cleveland was like, Cleveland, I love you. I don't want to leave the city, but I feel like the team isn't really doing blah blah blah. And then he goes and he's doing the press tour and he kind of lost some of that love by the city and he's like, I'm not playing. They're like, we're not trading you. And then next thing you know, it's Boom. Highest paid person that's not a quarterback ever, four years, one hundred and sixty million with one twenty three guaranteed.

Holy craft thoughts, m.

Dude, he's an absolute stud. I never thought Cleveland was going to ever let him walk out of the door. Why would you trade your number one player on your team, one of the most dynamic defensive end, if not the most dynamic defensive end, just because of his size, his speed, his versatility. They move him around and so well played by him. I mean, let's let's throw a temper tantrum for a little bit, see what happens, and then gets rewarded with one hundred and sixty million dollars deal. I mean, it's it's not exactly how you write it. Up, but at the end of the day, he got what he wanted. And now I guarantee he really loves the city of Cleveland.

So much more.

I feel, honestly, like, in my heart, I feel like he not so much wanted to leave Cleveland, but he wanted to play for a team and an organization that would give him a chance to win a championship because he is so elited about thirty years old and so he's got six seven real prime years left in him. But a wise man named Teddy Biassi WWF once said everybody's got a price. I don't feel like he was really holding out for more money or saying, hey, I'm not gonna play.

I really feel like he.

Wanted to leave, but there is a point, There is a threshold, and I guess that threshold is one hundred and sixty million, where you're like, you know what, I have changed my mind.

I have changed guess what I'll be in there in the gym tomorrow. I love Cleveland. I'm gonna do a lot of stuff around the city and just yeah, my mind's totally changed.

Now. It's amazing what money can do.

The Ravens and Ronnie Stanley.

Great deal.

Three year, sixty million bucks. He's awesome.

Like your point.

Yeah, if you're Derek Henry, if you're Lamar Jackson, that's just a sigh of relief, right.

One hundred percent.

Because the most important guy on your offensive line is always your left tackle.

He's your bookend.

He's usually matched up against the best pass rusher that every other team has. So if you have somebody there that you trust that can cover your blind side and at the same time be a dominant force, that's just a headache that you don't have to worry about. So that's why they're so valuable that left tackle position is because if you have a guy there, that really stabilizes your offensive line because interior wise, you can usually go out and get guys that are good enough to hold up on the inside, but those guys that are special on the outside, like Ronnie Stanley, you want to keep them around for as long as possible.

Raiders trade for a quarterback Geno Smith.

Seahawks got a twenty twenty five third round pick Geno back with Pete Carroll, so that's kind of cool. I do feel like they're drafting Gino and they're probably also if I'm just guessing, going to draft Shador at six if he's there, so they're also going to get a young quarterback.

But Geno Smith going to the Raiders, thoughts.

I love it. I mean, I know Pete Carroll has a ton of respect.

He was there when Gino resurrected his careers just a few years ago when they let go of Russell Wilson. But now he's got a bona fide number one quarterback coming in that he's familiar with. He can also help set the tone for culture and the personality of Pete Carroll and what's to be expected.

He's a true leader.

He's somebody that's well respected from what he's been through in his career, but also how he's performed when he got his opportunity. So I think it's a home run for the I mean Oakland Las Vegas Raiders and where they're going.

I know, I always want to do with the Chargers, I know, and I do with the Chargers till San Diega Ago. Yeah, same thing all the time the Bears trading for Tuny from the Chiefs.

I was a bit surprised.

I mean, especially with the Chiefs, I won't say offensive line woes because they had some injuries, but they got a fourth round pick for him.

What are your thoughts on that.

I was not expecting that either.

I mean, Touny was their most valuable offensive lineman last year. Not only did he play guard, he moved out and played left tackle as well when they had the injuries and all the stuff going on. So he was a guy that was a staple guy on that offensive line.

But it was interesting that they traded him away for a fourth round pick. It might have been.

Because the salary cap issues or whatever they deemed was the reasoning behind it. But Chicago picks up a home run again for them because they want to protect Caleb Williams moving forward and to solidify that offensive line who struggled last year for Chicago. Bringing a guy like Tony again veteran presidence, good locker room guy, and also has played at a really high level throughout his career, that's a great pickup for Chicago.

I guess, if I'm putting on my speculator eyeball on, it's obviously resigning Trace Smith at the priority with Kansas City and then they're going to have to just draft a couple offensive linemen. But that is one thing Kansas City has been able to do really well with Andy Reid and that organization there is draft well and have guys you don't have to pay a lot too because they're in their rookie deals, while also having your guys that are making the big money and consistently moving them when it's time for some of those guys to get paid, and then redraft well again, because that's the key to keeping your organization successful, right, is drafting well year after year.

One hundred percent, because you only have so many draft picks, and if you hit on first round, second round is a little bit different because those guys are usually bona fide studs, right, But then you get into the third and fourth round and continue to draft well and get guys that come in and develop at such a rate the way that they have in the history of success that they've had with drafting guys like that, that's what really stabilizes your organization for the long haul, and that's what they've been able to do.

Now.

It's always a question mark if you don't go out and take care of that offensive line, especially when you have Patrick Mahomes back there, then there'll be a lot of questions to be answered.

There's no doubt about that.

But due to their recent history and throughout their regime under Andy Reid, they've done a remarkable job and they're hoping to hit success with those draft picks again.

All right, So I'm recording this after Matt and I have already split up.

Matt and I, we're working.

From different locations, and a lot of news broke as far as free agents, so I wanted to make sure we got them all clear here. Not that you can't see them online, let's be honest, but we don't want you guys to think, well, I can't believe they missed Justin Fields.

So okay, we'll go first.

The Jets signed quarterback Justin Fields to a two year, forty million dollar deal, And what sucks for me is I had this massive Steelers championship belt that's signed by Justin Fields.

Now, what the crap am I supposed to do with that?

The big news was the Seahawks sign Sam Darnold to a three year, one hundred million dollar deal. I think everybody and their cousin and their mama and their mailman figured that was going to happen. Once Gino Smith went from Seattle down to the Raiders, and so they had money and they had space, and they.

Wanted a quarterback. But now who are going to throw too?

Right?

Because Dk Metcalf is gone, so that I'd be interesting to watch. But the Sam Donald, I won't even call it saga like it's exciting. I'm super pumped for him. I never even met him. I know people who know him say he's a great young dude. So rooting for Sam donaldare the forty nine ers released Kyle uch Check after eight seasons kind of blows my mind a little bit, not because I'm in the Kyle Yuchik fan club, but because he seemed like such a forty nine er, like such a gritty player that would do it all, but it all came down to dollars. I actually presented with Kyle Uchcheck at the NFL Honors this year on Fox, so I got a chance to know him, I mean a little bit. We spent a couple hours together. I love that dude. And I asked him, Hey, will you be released after eight seasons? And he said, why are you asking me this? I have no idea And then I said, I don't know. I didn't even ask him that. Najee Harris signs a one year deal with the Chargers that with incentives, can be up to nine zero point twenty five million dollars.

I actually really like this signing.

Whenever Matt and I were talking about underrated free agents a couple of weeks ago, I put Naji Harris there. I think Naja Harris still has some tread on the tires. The Cowboys, hey, they signed a running back.

What do you know? What do you freaking know?

I mean he is a run He does run with the ball, so he is a running back by Javonte Williams from the Broncos one year, three million dollar deal. I don't know there's going to be setting any rushing records, but they do need people that actually know how to put the point of their finger over the ball as they run through the line.

So how about them Cowboys.

The Saints re signed Chase Young to a three year deal up to fifty seven million bucks. I do like that, and also they got off for a pretty good price. The Vikings signed by a Murphy cornerback three year, sixty six million dollars, and the Broncos signed former forty nine ers defensive players Dre Greenlaw, who I love Dre Greenlaw, but I'm a big Arkansas guy, and safety talanoa hufanga. So the Bronco looking to add defensively to what was already a better defense, but an offense where they finally have a quarterback they trust. So Denver just continues to get better.

I did see and I give you one other thing here, because.

There are starting to be some rumors about some of these other backup quarterbacks and where they're going to land.

But Zach Wilson to the Dolphins. How about that?

Zach Wilson gets a reported one year deal with the Miami Dolphins. He will be to his backup, which means he'll play I don't know nine games, but Zach Wilson will be the backup one year, six million dollar deal. You gotta wonder if the Jets did to Zach Wilson what the Jets did to Sam Darnold, what the Jets did to We can continue to do this with like eight different quarterbacks. But I do like to see quarterbacks who are in a bad situation get a chance. And maybe with the Dolphins it might be annuals he will be able to develop a bit and get another shout at a starting job somewhere. So okay, that was me breaking in I'm sure many other things we've broken since then.

I just didn't want to forget those.

Thank you for listening to lots to say.

We're gonna be a secondment called what were they Like? Where I'm gonna ask you about somebody, Matt that I think you had a relationship in some way. I don't know any stories about it, and you just tell me what were they like? And then you do the same to me. I'll go first, Dustin colqu with the punter like I've heard some pretty interesting stories about him in general, like what kind of guy was he?

Oh? He was hilarious? Did he was? He was an out of the box thinker, prankster.

I remember he was always that guy that in the locker room and all that was pulling pranks, having fun. When the coaches would come and do bedcheck, he put on this gold sequence like thong and lay down on the bed like this as they're walking in and.

You're like, what are you doing right now?

But the all time story that I remember, so Ryan suck Up, our other kicker, was telling me this story. There's a guy by the name of Anthony Sherman and he had a brand new, souped up truck, and so Dustin hijacked his I don't know Twitter or whatever and basically said he was donating it to charity. So Anthony Sherman had no idea that this was happening. So all of a sudden it started to blow up on Twitter and everything, like he's on Pat McAfee had him on like this is amazing, and Anthony Sherman had no idea that he had done this. But now he's backed into a corner like what am I supposed to do? So he ends up raffling it off, gives his truck away, his brand new truck that he had souped up like wheels everything else. Gives his truck away because us and set this thing in motion as a joke.

But it caught so much fire and so much attention. He was on the news, he was on Pat McAfee. He's blown up, so then he doesn't know what to do. Now. I do think that somebody donated him another truck after they heard the story, thank god. But I was like, Dustin, who does that one?

I'd beat your per selling my truck with help me knowing who like to go to that extreme and just be like, oh, this would be hilarious.

I was like, what is what are you doing? I mean, it's unbelievable.

That's pretty funny.

And if whenever he was auctioning off his truck he didn't know he was going to get another one, that shows you what kind of guy he was, Like he was backed into a corner but still committed to giving it away.

And then whomever that was it.

Donated a truck later, like shout out to you because you made it all better and even but that's funny.

That was pretty funny. I was like, that's pretty good stuff.

Now, you were on American Idol and I know you know Linel Richie, So tell me a little bit about a good Linel Richie story.

Okay, what was Lionel Richie Like?

First of all, I was on idol for four years, and Lionel Richie is famous. Whenever being famous was everybody knew you. Now famous, so fractured, you can be like the greatest Broccoli influencer and like people are like, oh, I follow Tricia Broccoli and she's like she's famous to like a very select few people. It's hard to be just ubiquitous where you exist everywhere. Lionel Richie was that famous, Like this is like the eighties the early nineties, so massively rich, obviously massive star, not only riding singing toy in every way. So you really don't know how cool someone's going to be when they are that big. But through my experience now of having a life of working with middlely famous and very famous people, the very famous people are often the nicest because they have nothing to prove, there is no insecurity. The comparison would be soap opera actor to Tom Hanks. Well, Tom Hanks has nothing to prove. Tom Hanks is just a dude, good dude being who he is because he has no insecurity. He's Tom Hanks. Where the soap opera actor maybe like, yeah, I'm cool, all my guys with me, I got my crowd, my posse, where I got all my fancy clothes on trying to prove how cool I am. Well, Lionel Richie was the absolute kindest, greatest guy ever. I have two really fun Linel Richie stories.

Now.

I was fortunate enough to get to be around him a lot. It wasn't even just a spot here a spot They're like we would have dinners, and when Lionel would tell a story, everybody shuts up. And that's a room where people are again fighting for oxygen because Luke Bryan's there and you know Luke now, and Katy Perry's there, and Lionel's there, and I'm there, and Ryan Seacrest is there and so and Katie. At the time, like Katie's husband, Orlando Bloom was there, so everybody has like everybody's used to be in the center of attention in that group. So it's almost like a battle royal who's gonna win. So everybody's doing story after story. But when Lionel starts talking, and he's very he's calm, he's very calculated, and he's like, you know, Aerita Franklin once left me a voicemail. Everybody shuts up immediately because Lionel's talking. He doesn't demand it, but because he's Linel and he has the greatest stories, he automatically gets it. Story number one, we were in Savannah, Georgia, and we're all sitting around a dinner table and again same thing. Everybody's talking, and it's just like you wait for somebody to take a breath, you jump in with.

The story or you just get swallowed.

So everybody's doing their thing, and Lionel goes, you know, a flua from my California over to Europe. And I'm just gonna paraphrase the story a little bit, but he was like, most of the time I would I would fly fly private, I'd fly my own plane. He said, in this time, I wasn't able to get my plane, so I flew commercial. Now, Lionel has been a one hundred millionaire billionaire, I don't know for how long. So you know what, not crazy that he flew privately from the States to Europe, because that's.

About a two hundred thousand dollars flight.

But if Lionel's flying over to play some prince's private show for a million dollars, that's that. And he wants to fly over. Yeah, he wants to fly over and have his energy. And he said, I was flying commercial, and I was in first class, and I decided to take a nap, and I wasn't used to all the people around me, and so I fell asleep and I woke up and there was a phone taking a picture of me. And I was a little startled by the phone because I'm not used to people taking pictures of me while I sleep, and he said, so I called the flight attendant over and I said, flight attendant, would I be able to get an sie smoothie with a certain kind of berry with a little honey, and can I get it with some cinnamon?

And she said no, we don't have that.

And he said, that's the last time I'm flying commercial and so but it was like such a kind version of a rich guy that I was like, dang, even when Lionel tells us stories of being rich, like he's awesome. But my favorite, favorite, favorite ever was we were about to do an episode of Idol. I think it's my second season there. And Ryan had never missed a show. Ryan is on time all the time everywhere. The ultimate professional is Ryan Seacrest. And it was about twelve minutes before the show started and Ryan still was not there, and so they began to be concerned and he quite like, I'm sick. I can't even get up. And usually if you're sick, and I've done this doing my stand up shows, you you get a steroid shot. It takes a minute, you get it back for a while, you got a bunch of energy and then you die afterward, but you're able to get the job done.

Ryan was.

He was so sick he was not able to do that. So it's minutes before the show starts and they say, hey, Bobby, we need you to host the show.

Now.

I don't think it's bigger than I am, but I had no rehearsing as far as like where to go on the stage. Stage direction is a big deal, especially douring live television because cameras are going. It was also a celebrity episode where celebrities were singing with the artists, and so I'm like, okay, cool, can you run me through stage direction real quick?

And they're like, got it.

So they run me through and there's like four minutes left, and all of a sudden, I'm standing backstage. I'm just kind of looking at notes and someone taps me on the shoulder. Now, where the judges sit when we record is all the way across the theater. I mean it is a pretty far walk, and so it wasn't a short walk. But that with about four minutes ago, that tap on my shoulder turround and it's Lionel Richie and he's like Bobby, and I say, hey, Linel, what's up. He goes, I just wanted to give you some words of encouragement. He goes, the year was nineteen seventy one, and I'm in right, I know, we only got four minutes, but he's talking slow. He's also talking slow, and I'm like, oh boy, we're gonna get there in time. And he says the Commodores. He goes, that was my band and the Commodores we had. We had never really had a look on national television. And we get a call and they're like, they need you on American Bandstand in five hours.

Can you be there?

And we looked at each other and we're like, are we ready for this? And we thought, we don't think we're ready, but you know what, we're gonna show up and we're gonna do it. And you know what, Bobby, we showed up and we dominated that night on American Bandstand. And that is a big reason as to why the Commodores existed, and that's why Lionel Richie is right here on this show, because when they called us, we showed up and we did it to the best of our ability what we had been practicing for our whole life. And that is what you're about to do right now. So I want you to walk out there and be the commodores. And I'm thinking to myself as talking, this is like the coolest pop up speech I've ever had my whole life, Like, this is a crazy Lionel Richie. And so it almost felt like a TV show, especially those Christmas shows where Santa Claus is like talking to somebody and they know Santa Claus is like Uncle Frank or something. But then you turn around and Santa Claus is gone, and you're like, maybe, oh, that was Santa Claus.

I turned around, there's no Lionel Richie.

He was nowhere.

I don't know how he he was over seventy years old and he was gone. And I look back in his bat is unreal. He's at the table. And I walked out and did a great job. But he was so giving, he was so kind, and he just was the opposite of what you think someone that famous would be. And after I left, idle and he's so famous, you think he probably forgets everybody. It was like two years later, we were both in Vegas and I get a text says, hey, Lionel just saw on social media.

You're in Vegas.

You and your wife want to come over and go meet up with him and his wife. And I was like, first of all shocked, even remembered two years later. So we did, and he remembered. It was awesome. I could not say enough great things. He didn't wear a gold thong in a bed, which would have been awesome.

That had been awesome. But Richie A plus.

That's solid.

I mean in the fact that you said he called in, Seacres called it in how how long before the show?

Well, Seacres was trying to get there, So it wasn't that he was like calling in going like disappeared, but he was trying to like build it up so we could go and do the show. But he finally was not doing it at about twelve minutes before the show started.

Wow, yep, dude, that is you just have to kind of gather yourself. I would think a little bit. You didn't have any adrenaline or anything like that. You're like, I got this be a commodore.

Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put this back on you. This is the same thing that happened. This is these are our lives in parallel. That's the same thing that happened to you and Brady bro.

True sayment, True sayment, Yeah, yeah, I was just I was just thinking that okay, yeah, yeah, you prepare for it, you're you feel like you're ready, but you don't know until you know like your direction. You to go out there and you're like, all right, let's go, let's do it and see what happens.

And you just trust the process that what you've been doing the whole time has led you to this place to be able to perform at a level now. I don't remember the first three or four minutes of it. I think I kind of sem my blackground out. I was just like, there were like three, two go, and I was like, I remember starting on the prompter, my first things were welcome to American Idol. I am not Ryan Seacrest, and it wasn't even in the prompter, but I said that, and then I don't remember the first few minutes. And I think you said the same thing about when you got in after Brady got heard.

It's just adrenaline, man.

You go in and all of a sudden they say, hey, Castle, you're going in, and you can feel I felt my heartbeat, felt the ears, and plus there's ninety thousand or whatever. It was eighty ninety thousand people there sitting there going, man, this sucks.

Castle's going in right, including myself.

So like you get through the whole first series is a blur, and then all of a sudden you calm yourself down a little bit and then you're starting to get into sequence and you know, oh, this is football, this is what I've been training for. But those first that first series or first few minutes where you're just overwhelmed by emotion really, and it's all about controlling those emotions.

It's wild.

Did you have a moment, because I did where before we went on, I looked up and they have the massive American Idol logo and that has been such a big part of American pop culture for decades where I looked at and I was like, man, for a second, I just want to appreciate that this has been a stable in American pop culture and I'm about to host this. Did you ever have one of those moments, like your first time in where you looked at something and we're like, huh, this is real.

I want to take a second. It's going to be real cool.

No, not at all. Mine was full fear factor. I was like, just Sti'll mess it up.

I'm being dead honest, Like, I wish I could have sat there and taken the moment in. I think the first time I was able to do that was the following game, and I told you this story where we went to the Jets. We played them and ended up being and Brett Favre was the opposing quarterback and he came over shook my hand, and at that point, I it kind.

Of came full circle.

I was like, that was one of the coolest moments that's ever happened, like the fact that Bret far of my childhood idol, came over and shook my hand. But prior to that, no, I was a fish out of water.

Man.

I'm just like trying to stay afloat. Come on, Ben, come on, give me some oxygen.

I got to meet Matt's wife, and because I hadn't met your wife yet, but Matt and I have very close mutual friends, which is part of the reason we're doing the show together, because they like vouched to each of us for each other.

And so.

I had a show at what's called the Rymann Auditorium here in Nashville. It's a very legendary place, and I got to meet your wife, and yeah, she looks like she would destroy somebody on a volleyball court. Like she looks an A plus athlete. I can tell just by looking in her eyes.

She's definitely a better athlete than I am. She's definitely more springy, just an absolute stud. And she's got one of those personalities too, you know, like there's women that.

Like to work out.

She likes to get after it, and she she just she could have been a Navy seal, I think, with the mindset that she has. But she's always she's always been a stud and really good mom too. But I also got to meet your wife, who who couldn't have been sweeter, And a lot of your family was there as well. I mean, and let's talk about the raging idiots for a second. I mean, you put on a show like you wouldn't believe if you guys have never seen Bobby and this crew.

I mean, you guys absolutely slaid.

Well, Okay, let's let's let's do that then for a second.

So can we get into that we can?

Yeah, phenomenal, Sure, sure, And I was super grateful you came because I know you have a bunch of kids right, if I've kids, So so that's it's not like you can just leave at any moment. So, and it was a Tuesday night and we do this show.

We've done it every year for ten years.

We had to stop for COVID for a minute, but for Saint Jude, and we give all the money to the hospital, and yeah, tell.

Them how much money you raised for Saint Jude's. It's an incredible cause.

Well overall, like twenty seven million dollars.

Phenomenal, Yeah, phenomenal.

Yes, it's great.

And so we made, you know, some hundreds of thousands that night, and we had a lot of friends show up and play with us. But I guess I never thought that you had never seen me in that element because we've just done this together.

Was that weird?

Like I come out and I gotta have a guitar, Like you don't know me as that at all? Like the guy doing comedy? Was that a bit bizarre?

It was a little different, I mean, And then the next thing I know, you're literally on stage headlining, just rocking with the red the red jacket, red microphone, dancing your face off. I didn't know you had those kind of moves. And then you're busting out with the lyrics. You might have burned I don't know, twenty thousand calories just in that one night with as long as you've been on stage dancing and singing.

And playing your guitar. It was incredible and you played with everybody.

Yeah, that's the hard part because I'm not what would be a traditional musician, So for me to have to learn a bunch of music, it is tough because I play guitar, but I don't play guitar, and Nashville it's the giants of music, right, so can I grab a guitar? I just learned it so I can do comedy. But yeah, it was a really fun show and if anybody's listened to this, we'll do it again next year, probably at the Ryman, and you should come. And I just thought I would rather get in a fight with Matt than his wife because I think she she would tear my head off. Like very attractive, very feminine. But still I was like, I can see why she was a pro, like a volleyball player at that level.

Yeah, she's she's just stud What was your favorite act? And I thought one of.

The funniest thing was when you had your glasses on that was playing Otown.

It was so stupid.

I hate was one of the funniest things.

It wasn't it was. It was a funny it was it funny.

So I do things that are supposed to be funny, and like I do comedy stuff and I play comedy songs. But and this wasn't supposed to be funny. I thought I was having like schizophrenia because Otown. I used to be in Otown the boy band way back in the day. And so they came out, we reunited for the first time in years, and afterward I kept hearing their music and so I asked my band, do you guys hear Then I asked the crowd do you guys hear their song? And I was like no, no, no, And I'm like, I'm hearing things. So I put my monitor back in my ear. I don't hear anything.

I put my ear down on the monitor on the ground. I don't hear anything.

We play another song, but the whole time anybody's playing anything, I still hear the Otown song in my ear, and I'm going I'm going berserik right now. Turns out I have those meta glasses that take pictures and play music. I didn't realize the music was playing through my glasses, and that's why I was the only person that could hear it, because I literally was the only person that could hear it, and everybody else was.

Like, dude, you're going crazy. Yes, that sucked.

That was It probably sucked, but like from a show's standpoint, I was just laughing myself going because everybody you asked that, none of them were like, oh, I have no idea what you're talking about, which probably made you feel even crazier.

Yeah, my whole band was like, we have I thought they were playing a prank on me. I literally thought they were playing a prank on me. So, uh yeah, it was.

It was. It was a fun night, and yeah that's all. I'm glad.

I'm glad it's over because we just want to pull it off and we did, and I appreciate everybody who came out. And we're gonna take a little break when we come back. We're gonna do something called big Take, Big fake. And so I'm going to give you an opinion. Either it is my opinion, this is my big take, or it is not my opinion. And I'm just trying to convince you it is. We're gonna play big take or big fake. We'll do that next. So this is called big take or big fake. So what I'll do, Matt is I will give you an opinion and you tell me if I really believe it or if I really don't believe it, and I'm just trying to.

Fake you out. Are you ready?

Okay?

Daniel Jones is and will be a Pro Bowl quarterback?

Do you think I believe that?

I do think you believe that because I've heard you talk about Daniel Jones and I know you have an affinity for him. So you and I have had a little bit of discussions before about just situational fit for him with the Giants. He thought he got a raw deal, but he's a guy that's capable from the physical standpoint to go out there and get it done. And he's played well at different times in his career. But you put him in the right situation and he's somebody that has the skill set to go out and be a Pro Bowl quarterback.

So I do believe that you believe that.

That is a big correct take. And here is why now we're still waiting on again as of this recording, because everything is so fluid. If he ends up with the Colts, he'll start. Yeah, if he ends up with the Vikings, depending on McCarthy's injury, JJ McCarthy's injury, he may play.

And right now those are.

The two teams that they're indicating he could sign with. But I mean, when you look at and I went deep, he played behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL, not only last year, but the year before. He got seck thirty times in six games before towards ACL And yeah, so not only was he getting crushed, he then had the ACL injury in twenty twenty two and dables first season. Listen to the stats that Daniel Jones had two hundred and five passing yards, a sixty seven point two percent completion rate, fifteen touchdowns, five interceptions, seven hundred eight rushing yards, and seven rushing touchdowns. He took the Giants to the playoffs and won a playoff game. That's when he was healthy.

That's it.

That's just when he was healthy. There's nothing else to say. I just think he is a much better quarterback than people are giving him credit for. But it's hard to give somebody credit when they haven't played well. Or they've been injured, because we don't really see how bad an offensive line is just by watching on television.

Right, and the offensive line is everything to a quarterbback because if you drop back and you trust the guys in front of you, then your process isn't sped up. Your sense of urgency is you're going through your reads like you should, but all of a sudden you're getting hit and hit and hit. Well, all those things change, especially from the mental side because you're a little bit more rushed, or you take off run maybe when you have to hang in there a little bit longer. But those hits have an impact on a quarterback, and so you put him with the good offensive line, good coaching staff, I think he'll excel in a big way.

And if he does play with the Vikings, I think he's just on a we'll call it a one year Sam Donald plan where even if he goes in and backs them up, the same thing Donald did in San Francisco, which I think was kind of the plan in Minnesota as well. Maybe he started a bit before J. J. McCarthy was able to play, But I mean, these guys get behind an offensive minded head coach that actually allows them to develop and then they go and play really well afterward. So I'm excited for Daniel Jones. I never met him, but I've been rooting for him and I feel like he if he has given the right weapons and I'll say weapons, even his offensive lineman, like he has proven he's been really good.

All right.

Next up?

Is this a big take or a big fake? Dake Prescott will never win a Super Bowl with the Dallas Cowboys.

That's a big take. I think that you believe that.

They have improved since the nineteen nineties that they can one go deep in the playoffs, let alone win the super Bowl. It's challenging for every team every single year. But you're also in a division with the Eagles, right, You're also in a conference that you're not a top contender year in year out. Now you have your good years, and I think that they're always competitive. I just don't know if it's going to be under Dak Prescott during his tenure there. I hope it is, because I think he's a heck of a player, There's no doubt about it. I just don't know if he'll be able to get over that home.

Yeah, I think Dak's a really good quarterback as well.

He is still even after Josh Allen's new contract, making more per year than Josh Allen. Dak's still the highest play quarterback at sixty million a year. And I don't think it's totally because of Dak. You're right, it's another big take. All these may be true, by the way, there is no rhyme or reason. But he's been the Cowboys quarterback for eight seasons. He's not made an NFC Championship game. The Cowboys dominate for the most part in the regular season, and it's been a Cowboys pattern at this point.

His playoff records two and five.

The Cowboys, as you mentioned, have had a Super Bowl drought of thirty years. And it's not so much a Dak thing but a Jerry Jones thing. And I love Jerry Jones. But if we're just looking at the data that has been presented to us in a vacuum.

And with they're about to have to pay.

They paid Dak, they paid CD, they got Michael Parsons to pay, and to pay him is going to be even more expensive now that you've had Max Crosby and you also had.

Miles Garrett just signed for that money.

So his value just went up, and they've been waiting, just been like kicking the can on signing him, I know.

And that's the thing is when you wait and then you start to see these big contracts roll through, it actually hurts the organization because Mike could Parson I guarantee his representation sitting there and going, look at these two guys. I'm younger than both of them. I've got a lot more in the tank. You're going to be up there in that area right there. So it's going to cost the more money Now that they waited and drag their feet onsign him.

The Steelers should move on from Mike Tomlin. He cannot win the big games anymore. Is that a real take or is that a big fake?

I believe it's a big fake. The reason I say that I love Mike Tomlin. I think he's been one of the most successful coaches during his tenure of any coach in the NFL. And I don't know what the run was for the playoffs in terms of how many consecutive playoffs he's gone to, but he's already proven.

That he's been able to win big games. I think for him.

Also, anytime you lose your franchise quarterback of Roethlisberger, for instance, it takes some time to find that next guy. From Kenny Pickett, you bring in Russell Wilson, you have justin fields. You've got a number of different guys that come into that organization that don't fit the mold to be your franchise guy. Well, it's hard to win games in this league, let alone win games consistently when you don't have a real number one at the quarterback position. If they're able to solidify that position, I think Mike Tomlin, we've known his track record and the type of defensive unit that they consistently have. If the offense catches up with that, I believe that they put themselves in another position to win a championship.

Yeah, I don't believe that at all. I like you think Mike Tomlin is a fantastic coach, and I think he's had teams that probably in any other scenario probably win four games, five games, but because he has such a great coach. But again, it lends itself to if you do not have a quarterback, if you do not have a B B plus a quarterback, it's going to be hard to win.

Enough games to make a deep run.

I think because he has had a lack of a number one since Big Ben that it's been award winning coaching that has gotten them to five hundred and above every single year. But the problem has been that purgatory, right, I mean, if you don't lose a lot of games, you're not going to get a top pick unless you trade for it, or therefore you can't win a lot of games because you don't have the personnel to win the games.

So he's been in this weird purgatory.

But it would be nice to see him get a quarterback, Like even if it's Aaron Rodgers and I cannot stand Aaron Rodgers, used to love him. Like nine months ago, I loved Aaron Rodgers like I like outspoken people.

I do, even if I don't agree with them.

Yes, I feel like he got he started acting like he was smarter than everybody instead of just being smarter than most people. So therefore I started to not like him as much, not even what he was saying, just for like how he seemed. So I've been an Aaron Rodgers guy I would like, even though I'm not anymore. I would like Aaron Rodgers to go to the Steelers. I think that would be cool, even though I picked the Giants, and to have Mike Tomlin have a shot at having an offense that can actually win him games, not a defense that needs to win him games where you just beg the offense to not lose you games.

Right Exactly, When you have a defense that can go out and play the way that they do, they're always going to be in tight, tight games. But then all of a sudden you put a guy like Aaron Rodgers in there with the dudes that they have with Medcat and pick Medcalf and Pickens and somebody that can deliver the ball and get.

Up two scores. That's a tough football team to beat.

When you're not just grinding it out, you know that you have confidence in that offense side of the ball to take the take the ball down the field and score on a continuous basis. That's that's when it gets fun for any team because you've got talent on both sides of the ball and you can compete at really high level with anybody.

If I were to ask you when talking about wide receivers, talking about Pittsburgh specifically, and you have Pickens and you have DK different kinds of receivers, but both elite. But if I were to say, who were the grittiest wide receivers you ever played with? And you can define gritty however you want, Like who would be your top three?

You know, I think in two thousand and seven when or two thousand and eight when I was in New England, I mean Randy Moss was there, and that dude was nobody could go up and out compete him for a ball. He had incredible hands, He scared you with his speed. He was a really smart football player. Another guy that was there at the same time is Wes Wilker, which I don't think he gets enough credit. He had five seasons with over one hundred and something catches, and he's a guy that controlled the middle field.

Nobody could cover him man to man underneath.

Smart player would go over the middle, take the tough hits, and he would sacrifice his body more than you'd like him to. But at the same time, I mean, nobody could cover him. So those guys both when you say gritty, A guy like Dez Bryant, who was only with for one season in Dallas.

He's another guy that was just this absolute dog on the field.

Now, he would definitely get after me if I didn't throw him the ball.

I was scared for my life. I'm not gonna lie.

I was sitting there going, man, he might try to hurt me, like on the sideline right now.

So he was just one of those dudes. Now, he had some injuries early in that season.

He had like a stress fraction in his foot, so he wasn't fully himself, which I know for any player that competes at a really high level, that's super frustrating because he was used to just absolutely going out there and dominating. But it took some time for him to get back from that injury, obviously with the foot to heel.

Dwayne Bow, he's another guy that was a dog.

Now, he was different from a gritty standpoint because he was just big and physical and without physical you.

But he was the nicest guy. Now.

He'd tell me sometimes he'd be like, hey, Cass, I was open on that and I'd look at the picture. I'd be like, Dwayne, there's two guys over you in the safeties, way above you.

I'm not going to throw you that ball.

Ever, He's like, all right, Cass, just just look next time.

So he was cool like that, but he was a savage on the field.

So I've played with a lot of ultra talented wide receivers that had that gritty nature, and I think that that just kind of goes with the position itself. If you're an elite wide receiver, then you have something inside of you that is like, give me the ball and I'll I'll compete anybody that's up against me, I don't care who it is.

Was Moss the guy you mostly could just go, well, can't even really see him, but I know where he's kind of supposed to be.

Throw one hundred percent. You just throw it in his area. I remember the first touchdown passed I through that season. I skyrocketed this thing nobody. I didn't think anybody was going to catch it. I thought the first section in the stadium was going to catch it. He goes up, points it, boom, brings it down. I was like, Oh, what a good play by me. No, it was a better play by you, Moss. Oh this is a funny story. Actually, Moss is another dude. As I talk about him constantly because a lot of people don't understand how smart he was. But we're playing Seattle in Seattle, We get in the huddle and Moss is on the outside and he's like, we're about to start the series. So we're all in the huddle and Moss never wanted to look at the quarterback because he never wanted to give anything away. So he starts talking to me. He's like, Cass, He's like, hey, I'm going up the rail. Just throw it up the rail. They're sitting on me, they're squatting on me, and I was like, you've got an D cut on this play. He's like, no, I'm going up the rail. I was like, well, why don't we talk about when.

We go over there? And he got so mad. He's like, Castle, Brady was here.

We throw that at the ring and I was like, well, Brady ain't here, he said, and then that's so he didn't look at me that entire conversation.

As soon as I said that, he said, what the F did you say to me? Castle?

I thought he was going to try to kill me in the huddle. The lineman broke it up. I was like, this is amazing. But it was just one of those things where he knew what he wanted to get done, and a lot of times we'd go over make that adjustment and work exactly how he'd say.

If a wide receiver was unhappy with you, or if you were unhappy with a wide receiver meaning they ran a wrong route, where would that conversation be, Whether it be in the huddle or would you guys do it on the sideline.

Usually I'd get after him on the field, Like if we're in the middle of a series and they were short route, or they ran the wrong route, or they weren't at the right depth, I'd get him on the field.

And I had no problem getting after him.

And those guys understood anybody that ever played with me, and most wide receiver quarterbacks, they have that relationship where they know it's not personal, but it is me holding you accountable, and the same thing that they would hold me accountable if I messed up. And so that's part of the being a quarterback is you got to get after guys on the field sometimes, But if it's sideline and you don't really know what happened, then you go over, you look at pictures and you say, well, what are we doing here, and then that conversation happens. Now it's probably a little bit more tempered on the sideline. It can occasionally get superheated, but in the huddle or if you're on the field and I see it, then it would probably get a pretty good it'd be a good back and forth between myself and the wide receiver.

It's an interesting time because a lot of these guys are either staying with the team that they were with, so they're like re signing, or they're a free agent they're deciding to stay, or they're a moving What is that like kind of not knowing where you're going to go? Like the personal part of that, because again we're seeing these players and we're like, oh, cool is going to LA or so and so it's going there, But like, you're a human being with a wife and a family, what is that unknowing?

Like it's unnerving to be honest with you, because you get in that position where you know your contract's up and you're probably already in negotiations. Are we going to be back with the team that I played for the last four.

Years or however long you have, and you're settled in.

That community, you have your home, you've got your family, the kids probably in school if they're of age to go to school. So then you're sitting there going, maybe we're going back here. But then as soon as you start to realize they're not going to resign you, there's a little bit of excitement, but you have to have everybody on board. And I've been blessed to have a wife that understands the dynamics of what I did for a living. She played sports, so it was always an adventure for us. At the same time, the older I got, the more difficult it got and the more unnerving because you're sitting there going, Okay, where am I going to go now? And also, what does that quarterback situation look like? What is there not coortunity for me to compete? Am I going to be a bridge guy? Or am I going truly there to be a backup and help some young guy develop a little bit more? So there's all those different dynamics, and then as you start to see these guys get signed at your position, you're like, well, hell, I'm better than him, Like what's going on here? Why don't I have a job? And then you start questioning yourself a little bit. But once you do get signed, you're like, all right, we're all in. Let's let's get going.

We talked some quarterback lingo in the last episode, maybe the episode before that, and I drowned a little bit, and be honest with you, little I bet off a little more than I could choose. So this time, what I'm going to do is I'm going to toss a couple things out that I choose, and you.

Explain to me as rudimentary as possible.

I'm talking explain like I'm five, heck three, like I'm a three year, like I'm a toddler. You've had many of those, you had five toddlers.

Yes, okay, okay, sweetheart, thank you, Yes, let me expes.

Okay, let's talk coverages.

Okay, coverages, got it?

Cover three?

Okay.

Cover three is four linebackers underneath and three people deep. When I say that, it means two corners on the outside and a middle of the field safety. It's a true zone defense. And so when I say that, I mean the four guys underneath, they're responsible for the flat curl hook area. So they have these zones that they sit in. The corners are responsible for their third of the field, and in that middle of the field safety he's there play middle of field, but he can go with the range to where he thinks the ball is going to go, but he's deep middle trying to make sure they don't throw the post over the top or do something like that. And so he's got the deep middle of the field. So they're taught don't let anybody get behind you. Corners don't have help really, so they've got to stay on top of that wide receiver on the outside. The safety has free range, especially guys. You always hear about it, like the ed Reeds of the world, that he'd make you think you're thrown over here. You're talking about looking him one way to throw somewhere else, and then he'd just intercept the ball because he had incredible range. But that's what it is. Zone defense, four under, three over the top.

All right, let's go, we'll take it up one.

Do you think my three year old can understand that I do?

And for the record, some of these I know the answer to, I'm just playing dumb guy.

So yeah, you play ball, Doug.

Yeah, but I still need I am hopefully learning maybe something a little just a little trickle, a little trickle new. And for those that are listening that don't know, I don't want them to feel like I'm here actingly like yeah, I can't believe you guys don't know. We're all in this together.

So we're kind of explaining it.

And let's go Cover four. So the difference in Cover three and Cover four is what.

You got two high safeties now, so you've got three underneath linebacker presence right, they're hook I think curl flat. I should say that they're gonna go to But then corners are responsible for a fourth of their field, and then the safeties are responsible for for So it's literally quarter up the field into fours. Each deep part of the component. The corners and the safeties are responsible for a quarter. Now that can change based on formation in terms of where the safety help goes. But for the most basic aspect of Cover four, we call it quarters.

What about a cover six?

Cover six? So cover six is similar. So it's quarter quarter half is what we like to call it. And there's different variations based on the system that you're in, Like some people will use different numbers for different types of coverage, but Cover six historically has been quarter quarter half, meaning you're gonna roll say you've got a three by one, which means three wide receivers. Over here, you're ex wide receiver who's usually your number one wide receiver isolated on the weak side, well cover six, as you're playing quarters to one side, so it's quarter quarter and then half, meaning you've got safety helpover that other corner will roll up on that number one wide receiver, so you're basically getting a two on one on one.

Side of the field.

Is that two one receiver in the half of the field since he's by himself half of the.

Field, Yes, So he's he's going to try to get rerouted and play it for the most part like a cover two. So you've got help over the top, so he can't just run by you and run the gos or the comebacks. So the corner is going to be responsible for jamming him up, trying to force an outside release, not letting him get inside, and then at some point he'll fall off and look for anything else coming his direction. But the safety at some point will take him over as he gets into his section of the field.

And the final covers question will be when they go into cover zero.

Oh yeah, love it, bring it.

Cover zero is a max pressure and it usually involves multiple safeties. Now, one of the safeties usually will have the tight end. You'll have one of the linebackers out there on the slot. I say linebacker, it's really considered a nickel. But everybody's on an island. The corners are on one on one, the safety is one on one, the nickels one on one. But everybody else is pressuring, so they're going to try to force you to either throw hot or side adjust. If you go to a seven man pretiction, it might buy you a little bit more time, but they're always bringing at least one or two more than you actually can pick up. So you have to have a game plan to get rid of the ball or to go some kind of max protection and get the ball down the field.

And if you're on defense and you're running a cover zero, like you must get to the quarterback, right you have to sell out to get to the quarterback because everybody's on an island, right, Oh, everybody's on an island.

And the other part about Cover zero or blit zero is every one of those guys play with inside leverage because if you get beat across your there's nobody in the middle of the field because safeties are gone.

Linebackers are gone, so as.

If you ever get beat across your face in cover zero, it's a home run.

Now.

The other thing is so they'll sit inside, so you know that, so out routes or outbreaking routes stuff like that is probably your best bet in getting the ball downfield, corner route something like that, or if you just have a stut on the outside, throw the go route. So that's where the matchups are. But any and when you get a cover zero and you can block it up, you're going to your best matchup period because you want to go to your dude that you think can make a play and if he breaks one tackle, he's to the house. But if they don't get home, I mean, if they do get home, which they're planning on doing that, then it's a pain in the butt because you're rushed and guys aren't coming out of breaks, and it's it's works.

Often as a fan watching, I feel like coaches or quarterbacks or offensive coordinators are way too in love with these fades in the corner.

Of the end zone.

It seems he's like watching they never work. What is the fascination with the freaking fade.

Well down there?

It's amazing because when you get into the red zones, particularly the low red zone, the field shrinks right. The windows are so much tighter. They talk about it all the time. For the quarterback, when you're throwing in the front of the end zone, you want to put it low so he can body it up. Because you throw it high at the front, that's when balls get tipped and things happen. And then you want to throw it high in the back of the end zone because you're giving your guy an opportunity to go up and high point a ball. And when I say that, I mean like an end cut on the baseline or on the in line to the.

End zone.

You're trying to throw it high so that you're missing all the underneath traffic because of the condensed windows, trying to throw it high so he can co up and high point that ball. But the fade has always been something if you get one on one, they're bringing blit zero or you trust in a guy. It's all about the release pattern to me and the wide receiver if he can go up, and he's got to be patient because you sometimes you'll see those guys take one step up and go to the corner of the end zone. Just like you're saying, well, that corner just is able to react. You didn't give him anything different, so that one. Now he just runs you to the side of the end zone, plays hands, and it's an unsuccessful play. The best wide receivers that you've seen run the fade route, a guy like Larry Fitzgerald. He'll go up and he'll give you three one two three start so he can go inside, he can go outside. But what that does is it straightens up that defensive back and now you give yourself space and time to go throw that ball.

You would hear when talking about the difference in high school to college to the NFL. In high school, throw it when he's wide open. In college right when he starts to get open, throw it, and the pros sometimes you got to throw him open when he's not open at all. Would you say that's an accurate description of what you have to learn as a quarterback through those levels.

I think that's one hundred percent accurate.

Anticipation is key, particularly in the NFL, and that's what we talk about all the time in our meetings, is I've told you this, the depth when you're supposed to be there, how you're getting there. You have to understand that because there's a lot of time when somebody's breathing down to your neck. You're throwing it, and the trust has to be that you're at the right depth, you're throwing it to the spot where you're anticipating him coming, and you're blindly throwing this thing because he's not even out of his break, but you're throwing it with the anticipation that he's going to be there. And that's when big plays happen a lot of times because it's a catch and run through the zone and out the back door. But you have to have anticipation in the league because the guy's on the defensive side of the ball, particularly at the cornerback position. They're such freak athletes that if you're a split second late, you take that extra hitch, you hesitate at all. Now that gives him the ability to recover. Even if your guy comes out of the break at a better angle than he did, he's going to catch up and be able to either get hands on it or potentially intercept it.

A lot of trust.

Could you throw balls if you had to blindfold it in practice and pretty much much know where to throw since everything is on timing.

I don't know if I accurately could say that I could put a blindfold on and just throw the ball.

I mean I would. I could probably get it around the vicinity.

I don't know how accurate i'd be with a blindfold on, but in general direction i'd be.

I'd be around the guy for sure.

Yeah, I'd use a blindfold for me.

I'd be practicing with the blind Yeah, mister Miagy dodgeball at the end, I'd be so dialed in. Blindfold me up, then fourth quarter we should come up with that.

Yeah.

No, I'll practice enough. I don't get a practice enough. I'm saying, like you, a guy, practice you know all the time. That's going to be it for this episode of Lots to Say, go subscribe to the podcast please, if you don't mind whatever feeds you're hearing this on, if it's on the bibonjo feet, if it's on one of the NFL feeds, and you enjoyed the show, if you don't mind search for Lots to say, subscribe, we would love it. It would help us. If you don't mind give us a review, put a comment up. We don't have many of those. We're still trying to make friends here in the podcast world. So if you don't mind, please do that as well. Kick off Kevin back, which, by the way, Kevin got married.

Yeah, ingrats keV. Thanks. Was that honeymoon? Oh it was beautiful, beautiful.

I think maybe a day a little bit too long. Took me a while to get back into it, but it was beautiful.

You know when I said I felt, I was like I sometimes I'm on vacation or honeymoon. I'm like, this is a little too long. Everybody's like what, and I'm like, you know, I only have so much fun before I start to feel guilty.

Yeah, my wife is pregnant, seven months pregnant, so it's like you can only do so much and you know, I can sit by that for so long. But she loves it, and I'm like, all right.

This is cool.

Kickoff Kevin, Congratulations. Read who's about to get married?

Coming out? How many months? Only two months? Oh?

Yeah, you're getting ready? Cold feet?

Now he's counting again, three months, three months, big moves.

Castle's yelling cold feet, got it? Read r Berry, head of all of our video. That's Matt Castle. Hum, Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say, and we'll see you guys next week.

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