Joining the podcast today is the hilarious Vogue Williams! Vogue is a radio and TV personality, DJ, Model, comedian with an asterisks and host of the podcast My Therapist Ghosted Me! We’ve previously had Vogue’s podcast co-host Joanne McNally on before and it was one of our favourite episodes to date!
In this chat we talk about:
-How Vogue met and works with her husband.
-Whether Spencer struggles with jealousy over the success of Vogue's other podcast with her best friend Joanne.
-Young divorce and getting back into the dating game!
-Vogue's time living in Australia
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Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.
I'm Laura, I'm Brittany. Today we're interviewing the absolutely wonderful Vogue Williams, who's one half of My Therapist ghosted me the podcast. We absolutely loved it, Oh.
My god, we're obsessed.
She hosts that with Joan McNally, who is a comedian. We've done an episode with her a couple of months ago now.
I think also when we interviewed Joanne McNally, she is so fucking funny. So Vogue is like her sister wife, just like you were my sister wife exactly.
And they're about to land in Australia, I think when this is out, maybe next week or in the coming days. They're doing a whole tour here. So if you this is not sponsored by the tour, but if you have, we've got tickets.
Like they are just incredible.
We are big fans. We love them so go get tickets. We're going to watch them as well. We're going to catch up with them while we're here. I'm really pumped about this episode.
Yeah, they're at the State Theater as well. They've sold out two shows at the State Theater, have they Which is ridiculous? It is mind blowing. But I cannot wait to go and watch it now. This chat is such a light and fun and vibrant conversation.
Now.
One of the things they love about Vogue is her relationship with her husband, Spencer. They also have another podcast which is called Athlete Vogue and Spencer, and she recently did live shows with her husband as well. So Vogue talks about what it is like working alongside her husband, how they navigate having a relationship but also having a work relationship side by side, whether or not he's jealous of the relationship and the success that she's found with Joanne, because it must be quite hard when you already have a podcast it's already doing well, and then your wife starts a podcast with someone else and it does better.
Oh.
Absolutely, it would make.
Shows too, Like the live shows would be bigger and better. It'd be a hard pill to swallow. But he seems like a really cool person, so I think he's doing just fine. But we also talk about divorcing young because Vogue has gone through a divorce. She's lived in Australia, so we talk about that.
We just touched on a bunch of stuff. Yeah, And the thing I loved about this as well is Vogue is a mom to three kids and she manages to juggle such an incredibly successful career alongside that, and so as how she manages to juggle it all at the same time. Let's get into the chat with Vogue.
Vogue Williams is a radio and TV personality, a DJ, a model, She's not going to refer to herself as this, but quote unquote comedian and the host of the podcast My Therapist Ghosted Me, which is one of our absolute favorites. We've previously had Vogue's co host on the podcast. You guys all might remember her, the very funny, the very amazing Joanne McNally. It was one of our I don't want to put the pressure on you, Vogue, but it was one of our favorite apps. We just loved it so much and we're so stoked that you could finally get up at the Cracker Dawn to join us on Life one Cut.
So welcome, thank you, I'm delighted to be here.
And yes, Joanne is a tough factor to follow. She's very funny all the time, and she is an actual comedian.
I know, how does that I mean, before we get into the actual interview, how does that feel when people say you're a comedian, but then you're going to go onto a show but you're not actually a comedian, but you're still funny. Do you feel like the extra pressure because we feel that as well. When someone's like, oh, you're doing a comedy show. We're like not, We're like, it's a simple.
Like hopefully we say something that's funny, but like it's not going to be on purpose, so like let's just see how it turns out.
Yeah, I'm in your CAMPU See it's not on purpose.
I don't know how to do it on purpose.
And like I've always said to Juanne, my worst job would be being a comedian. It gives me the fear thinking about like going on stage and waiting for someone to laugh, and yeah, that's kind of what I'm doing. But like mine and Juanne show, there is a lot of pressure because people like expect it to be like funny all the time because Juanne is funny all the time.
But there's less pressure at.
Mine and my husband's show because we do a show together as well, so that's kind of a a bit easier for me.
And I'm way funnier than him as well, so it's grand.
It's perfect. Well, you also you need the ying and the yang as well, like and it's kind of nice when you've got I mean, I feel like sometimes that's us. Like with you, if you've got someone who's got those like one line of zingers, you need the other person in there to set up the zingers too.
Though, Am I the one? Oh yeah, I'll do the setup. You do the zing you and Joanne. You have the My Therapist Goes to Me podcast, which is very funny if you guys haven't listened to it. And you are doing the live shows where you're not a comedian as such, but you just started with your husband, Spenny, you just started doing proper stand up comedy shows like as in last week, I'm wrong, how did that go? Knowing it was a you're a comedian now? Like you have to call yourself a comedian. You did a stand up show.
We did do it.
Part of the show is stand up and actually it's like when you're a little bit.
More prepared, it's not that bad.
But but doing shows that my husband is slightly different because like he's learning as well, because I was learning off Juanne. So I went on and I was like I didn't know what to do, and like it was a first time thing, and he did it, and like the first.
Night I was like no, no, no, no no. I was like, we can't do this all the time.
And so now he's actually he's really goods we have a director who directed him.
What was he doing that you had to be like, please, don't ever do that again.
Well, there was two things actually kind for asking very interested. One, he was standing in front of me the whole time on stage.
You like, Spenny, you got one rule, don't block the vision.
I was like, sit to even during the show.
I was like sit down, sit down, Spena, sit down, and he wasn't picking up on my cue. And then the second thing was he was constantly talking over me, which is a real bad habit of his anyway in life. So I was like, stop talking over me, his manny, But yeah, he learned his lesson after that night that did not go so well.
Well.
Focus something we do with all of our guess we call it an accidentally unfiltered story. It's your most embarrassing story, and I am very excited to hear what yours is mine.
Okay, I told this on our podcast about two years ago, so it's kind of disappeared now, and I'm not sure why I'm bringing you back up, mainly because, like you have all those embarrassing stories, you know. My worst thing like that, it happens almost Dady, is when you wave with someone because you think they're waving at you, and they're not waving at you, and you're just like, oh fuck, and you're just looking at them like down it, and you keep waving. But I feel like everyone kind of has that. So the worst thing that ever happened to me in my.
Life, I'm not even joking. It was so bad.
So Spelli, Spenny and I were in our bedroom doing things that married couples do, and it was on a Saturday night, and my brother and my sister and so for having a party downstairs with their friends, and all of a sudden, the door burst open and my little brother came straight into the room and made eye contact with Spenny while we were doing shit, and yeah, it was honestly one of the it was, you'd only feel physically sick because you're like, oh my god, I'll never get over this.
Ever, it was the most embarrass Firstly, two.
Crucial pieces of information here Vogue that you skimmed over how old is your little quote unquote little brother, And b what position were you in?
That was where where my mind went.
Yeah, I really wish I was having sex, but I wasn't having sex.
It would have been so it would have been so much better.
Are we talking like sixty nine?
What?
Like? No, we're talking My god, God, No, Spanny was going down on me.
It's even Spanny made the eye contact.
Spanny popped up, made the eye contact with the brother, who is nearly thirty. It's when he used to live with us, and he obviously didn't realize we had boundaries.
I don't know.
I mean, we've had some pretty fucking bad, embarrassing stories. I don't think I've ever had secondhand embarrassment though before. I don't think I've ever heard a story that's made my entire vagina recoil. Like into itself. No, it's like back inside my uterus, stride up, the prolapse is gone.
Mine turned into a raisin. After that, I was like, never ever watched me again. It was the worst.
Do you have to address that after this life? If you go back down? Says the party.
So we didn't go to the party.
I was texting him and at the time he was laughing and I was like, it's not funny. And then the next day, when he's sobered up, he was really off with me and I was off with him. And the offness went on for about six months because we just we couldn't find a way through. It was just it was just I was like, why couldn't I have been having sex?
Oh? And by the way, I was nine months pregnant at the time. Nine months Oh oh dear god, that's when you're your horniest.
It's the story that keeps on going.
Is this like it? I'm just trying to get my hair out of this party too? And I hope it wasn't this. Is this like a royal family party or like the like what level party? Who's are we at the palace here? Or are we at no home?
We're definitely off the place we're at, our home, and like we've got two levels, so like we'd always stay on our own level.
This has never been a problem before.
He'd obviously had a few drinks and thought, you know, I'll just let myself in, and he did do that, and now we have a different relationship ever since. It's never fully you had to move.
As don't they say?
Time heals all, just give it a little bit more.
It's been a couple of years now. It's been a couple of years now.
And I say I should probably give some context there. I say the royal family, because Spenny's got a royal family connection such by default you're basically royal.
Oh thank you. Okay, I'll take us.
I don't know if the Irish will be happy about that, but okay.
Yeah, So just for those playing at home, this is the this is the connection. Why I say it's a royal family. So let's talk about you and Joanne. I think to set up with because our audience knows Joanne, we love her. How did you two meet? Because you have one of I mean, from our perspective, one of the most successful popular podcasts in the UK. You just won your award at the Podcast Awards, So Cash, congratulations. How did you two meet? I don't think we actually got that info from Joanne.
So we met, we were we were like we were with seventeen and you know, you have your like group of friends.
We had this big, huge group of friends.
We always used to party together, but Joanne and I were never close in the group of friends, so we hadn't become close. And then I heard she was doing comedy over here, and she was like, like, when you start doing comedy.
She was doing these shows that was she was basically having to work for free, so.
She had no money and she was going up and down the country because like she seriously paid her due.
That girl. I think people think that she just came on the comedy scene, which she.
Was just Yeah, she was doing all these really like tough gigs up down the country for no money and she nowhere to live, so I had a spare room with the time, and luckily she does have boundaries so she doesn't like let herself in.
And I asked her to stay with me. And we didn't have like, neither of us had that many friends in London, so we were like, oh, now we've got each other. And then we just like we're kind of best friends from them.
How did the podcast itself come to be? Because at the time you already had your podcast with your husband and then you decided to embark. I mean not that you had enough work to do already, but you decided to embark on this new project. How did that come up as an idea?
So I did the party with Spain. That was the first one that I'd ever done.
And I love podcasting, like it's just it's so much fun. And the company we do our podcast with were like, if you have any other ideas for a podcast, please bring it to us first. And Joanne was living in the basement at the time. My basement is never empty. Juanne's kind of in and out of the basement at the moment. Alexander the brother is thinking of moving back soon for a while, so that'd be interesting.
I'll be locking my doors.
But so she was living downstairs and I was like, Tor, do you want to give it a go? We see if we could do a podcast together because we loved hanging out with each other so much. And then and then we went to dinner and it just kind of worked because you know, you do pods of people sometimes and they just don't work. And that's just the way. Even like with guests, you're like, oh yeah, luckily, did.
Have you ever I know you don't do a lot of guests, but if you ever done a guest where you felt like that, where you've done that, you've been excited for it and then you've been like, I think we can release.
That I've had.
It's not I've had co hosts because Fanny was away that they were all good in their own way, but like you kind of you know, and your rumbler over each other the whole time, and it just didn't work out. But we've only had one guest. It's hard to get guests. That's why I think it's amazing that you girls do guests, because Joanna and I just drive our producer mental trying to even.
Fit in a time for us. So she's in Canada, I'm here, where is she going to be?
So we drive our producer mental too. She's sitting here as well.
So she yeah, she's sitting here there throwing you look she is.
How do you guys? I mean, with that in mind, when you do have such hugely different schedules, and I think it's one of the things, like with Britt and I when we became friends and started our podcast, we were in such different life phases, like I've got kids, Britt was in the single dating game at the time, and we were not only navigating different schedules, so we were different different like life stages. How do the two of you make that work when you're often just in different countries and you're doing different shows and there's so much on the cards.
The great thing is that you can podcast from anywhere in the world, like I prefer as I'm sure you do prefer just doing it like when you're in the same spot, because you'll never get something better than when you're together.
It's so easy, it's so much better.
So she's in Canada at the moment, and it kind of works out perfectly because I love getting up early and she likes not getting up early. So wherever she is, it seems like that her time sound is good, so like, I'll do it today when she's like, actually it is earlier for her today, it's like twelve o'clock or something in the day. So it kind of has worked out really well. But when she was in Australia, it was the dream because obviously you're so far ahead.
By the way, what time is it there? Because I'd forgotten about the time difference.
It's five pm.
What time is it where you at?
That's seven twenty But I never thought because we're going over to you and I never I kind of forgot about the time because I lived in Australia.
I love Australia.
Yeah, I mean tell us about that. How long ago were you in Australia?
It must have been it was it was in my previous marriage and it was probably it's probably about six years ago.
Where are you living at? Are you two in Sydney or Melbourne or a Brisbane?
We're like Bondai Beach where as Sydney as.
A guest, Like, I can't wait to do that?
What yeah, Tamarama, Like I know it's such a tourist thing, but I'm like, I want to do that.
It's not even though it's just every day so nice, it's so beautiful, and like even when you live in this era, you never actually get sick of doing it. But I want to go back a bit. So when you started your podcast with Joanne, Yeah, and you already had an established and successful podcast with your husband was there ever a moment where he was like fuck, Like I mean, now your podcast is doing better than our podcast, Like, was there ever any jealousy? Was he supportive the whole time? Like how did that go down? For the two of you?
He is definitely super supportive.
But I think when we did our first live show, which was at a festival, like a lot of people showed up, and he didn't, like, I didn't think anyone would show up because I was like, we're at a festival, maybe no one will call him. And then he was like I want to do that, and I was like okay. He was like I want to go on stage and I want to do electric picnic. I was like, okay, Like why don't we work on his stage tent together? But for the most part, he is like super successful because I've been in those relationships where you know someone's a bit shitty about stuff and it's just it's it gets worse and it gets worse and worse and worse, Whereas like with him, he just has his own shit going on, And it's the same with Juant. She just has her own shit going on that is completely separate to even the stuff that I want to do. Because I don't want to be on stage being a comedian it's too terrifying. And she doesn't want to really do TV presenting, so we have our own areas.
It's very hardy.
How do you go with I heard something you said the other day in your podcast when I think it was when you won the awards and the article that was written off the back of it. You were like, I almost don't want to do this shit anymore. I I don't want to go to these ceremonies. I don't want to go and do any TV hosting or anything like that because of the trolls and the comments and the clickbait they come off the.
Back of it.
Do you actually read all that? Do you read all the comments on like the Daily Mail and the UK Sun?
And Joanne and I were just laughing about this because, like a, I try not to read them, and my mom are ringing me. She's like, don't listen to us, awful things are saying about.
And I'm like, Mom, like stop telling me this shit.
And then I'm like, right now I have to go along and I love and I'm like, the fuck that's really.
Mean, no kidding? I never read anything. And one of the girls like Laura or our producer Kisha will come and say like, just don't even worry about what they said, like forget about it, and I'm like, what the fuck did they say? And then I have to go and find it. I wouldn't have even known.
But also I think when you're in it, I mean I think this anyway. When I'm in it, I kind of think, oh, everybody must be thinking these things, everybody must be reading this stuff. But then you actually step off the internet, go and touch grass for five minutes, and you realize no one, no one cares, No one cares as much as you care, and no one has read or is actually in touch. They might have gotten like this much of the story and they know a little bit, but they don't actually care as much as you do.
Anyway, do you get down from your podcast, though they pick up things that you've said, You're like, God, it saunds so much worse when it's written down, and you're, yes, shit.
Laura's had some absolute bangers, like completely taking it completely, taking out of context, just like the headlines about like Laura loves the pinky and the stinky.
Or like I think I said.
That was you She's like, that was you.
I read that I once said everyone likes the pinky and stinky, and that doesn't look good written down.
It does not.
I've just given birth at the time as well, and it really, it really fucking permeated the news that one. And I remember my mom calling me and she was like, really, I do you need to say these things? And I was like, do you know what, Mom? It's okay. I think I said other things in context, but look, you know, I still stand by it. I reckon both people.
Let's start there.
It's gonna be Laura Burn doubled down on the pinky and the stinky, So try the.
Pinky and the stink.
It's amazing that, Like it's when your mom reads the stuff, it's the worst. Like and Spanny's mom listens to our podcast and I'm my god, I just hope she doesn't listen to my therapist because I just wouldn't be.
If she does. She doesn't mention it, and that's okay, you know.
She's one hundred percent listening, though.
I know, I know, I know, Like my mom'sn't even a leg come to our life show.
I'm like, sorry, Mom, you just can't come I'm like, no way.
There's no more tickets we've mom, I don't have.
Any guests for you. Yeah.
Do you know the one thing I always think whenever I see your Instagram or I see what you're up to, and as a mom myself, I have two kids and I run, you know, multiple businesses, but I see what you do and I always think, how on earth do you manage it all? How do you manage the live shows? How do you manage being a mum of three kids? And still I mean, you're a fitness Goals. You are doing the swipe up swipe ups, like You've got so many things happening in your world, and it seems like you manage them all incredibly.
Some days I manage them well, some days I don't like. That's why I said to you. I was like, I gotta go. I'm bringing the kids to skill because I don't like tomorrow I'm away and throws them away. So I kind of main thing is always the kids then trying to fit work in. But they're in skilled and nursery, know, so like they're kind of gone for a lot of the day. There's smallest naps as well off some naps, so I don't know.
I always have mom guilts. I think you'll always have it.
Like it doesn't matter what I'm doing in a week, I'll always be like, oh god, I should have like been here more for that. But I do spend a lot of time with my kids. I'm very lucky that I don't have a nine to five. But it's a lot of organization, I suppose, and not just on my part, like my managers really organized. She kind of we figure out my diary together, so that like I have enough time with my family and stuff, Probably not enough time with my friends, but that's the that's the third thing on my list.
Well, I feel like your business partner happens to be one of your best friends as well. So like you, yeah, you're working when you're doing your podcasting and your live shows, but you feel like you're filling your cup with a sort of a friend hit at the same time, even though it's like it's different. You're not out drinking and not doing it, but you're like, Okay, that's my friend hit for the week.
Yeah, do you kind of ignore each other for the whole week until you're doing the pod because we have to do that so we can't tell each.
Every time we go to say something, well, Laura be like, oh my god, I have to tell you about save it.
Yeah, that's what we do that.
Otherwise you blow your load with all your good stories and then you get on podcasts and you're like, oh, you're faking your reaction to this. So we don't tell each other anything about what's happening in our lives, and then we show up and we're like, I mean, one thing I wanted to ask you about. I mean, you touched on earlier that you were living in Australia in your previous marriage, in your previous life.
Yeah, previous life. Definitely.
You went through a divorce quite young, and we were speaking about this concept and Rada mentioned it recently has she was like making young divorce chic again. How was that experience when you come out of a divorce and you've got to go into the dating world. Did you feel as though you had to kind of get back on the horse. Was it challenging to get back into dating after being divorced or were you just like, I'm ready.
I think I was pretty I was pretty ready to get back into dating, but I had to learn.
I think divorce is really embarrassing.
I don't think anyone like really mentions that and it shouldn't be embarrassing, but like, I felt like huge embarrassment because I guess a couple of people that told me that I probably shouldn't be getting married that young, and I was young. I was like twenty six, and in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have been get married that young.
But I felt really embarrassed.
And then after I had gotten divorced, I kind of did take a bit of time to myself because I wanted that time.
Like I'd never just dated.
I'd gone from one really long relationship to another long relationship.
And then I had a little break, and now I'm in another long relationship.
So I think I should have been more deity and like spread my wings a bit more.
But no, it's too late. I'm married again.
That's three kids, understand I would say, yeah, I would say, if you're single, spread your wings more.
Learn from me.
When it was coming to the end of that relationship. Do you feel like when you were saying divorce is embarrassing, do you feel like you stayed for longer than you wanted to or you knew the relationship wasn't right, but you thought I would rather try and make something wrong work than admit quote unquote failure and put myself back out there.
I think you're either like that in a relationship or you're not.
So Joanna and I have spoken about it, and it's not just in that relationship. It's kind of in every relationship. It's always like the long goodbye. You're like, no, we're breaking up, and then you're not breaking up. No, we're breaking up, and you're not. Like I'm a big fan of the long goodbye. I think it's really admirable when people are just like, see you later and then that's it, and it's probably yeah, it's so much better to just be like that. I feel like Spener would kind of be like that. Once something's over, it's over, and I think that's that's a much better way to do it than dragging it out. It's like, but Juanne, I don't know's I'm not going to say it's a female thing, but myself and Juanne definitely do that, like the long goodbye.
I don't know why we do it.
I'm goodbye, oh really hard? I am my ex.
That's that's true. Six months I agree with this but I also think it comes down to like this conditioning around hope, Like it's really hard for people who have the ability to cut something off and walk away, they're not even worried about entertaining. Well, what if things could be different, Whereas like I feel like for me in my past relationships, the long goodbye has always been like but one more chance, and maybe it'll be better, one more chance, and like it never fucking is. But you're like I need to bury this ten foot into the ground before I am confident it's not going to get better.
But there's also this sunk cost fallacy, like this idea of but I've put so much time in, Like I've already invested so much into this relationship. Surely I don't just walk away and and it was for nothing, Like surely like.
Walk away, run, run away, just put it in a box and run. That's what Like I just think because I've seen it, like and I've seen people break up even over the last year, and two of them are real like done and that's it.
And it's just it makes so much more sense.
Like they're eight, they're dating, they're happy, they're not seeing what you and also like delete any any traces of them from your social media, like you've just become obsessed with like what are they up to?
What are they up to? And that kind of adds to the long and goodbye.
When you met Spencer, what was that like? How did you meet firstly? And how did you get to a point where you were like I'm ready to give this round too, d.
Ding, It'spenny. I'll tell you what.
I met Spenny on a TV show how unromantic?
They got married on a TV show, Laura and oh I love it.
We're so alive.
We met on the Bachelor. My husband was the Bachelor and I was one of the twenty four sister wives. Yeah, so it's a wild I get it. Don't worry by TV shows. They work.
Oh my god? That's amazing, is it? And also you were number one out of twenty four. I wanted to be and that was my husband.
But yeah, oh my god. The Bachelor asked Stralia s Fenny did the Bachelor before as well?
Did you?
Why do all our partners? Why are we all into the Bachelor? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I actually haven't.
Seen It was a long time ago, but I didn't meet him on the Bachelor. I met him on a TV show called The Jump, and I remember meeting him, but like he showed up and he was kind of like still pissed from the night before, and like I had done all this work at my therapist about like how I was figuring myself out where I was going wrong, and I was like, I definitely don't want to like be with this guy. But I left and I rang my friends, two of my gay friends, they fancied twenty and They're like, oh, you have to get on him, and I was like, no, honestly, like I'm not, but like he is so cool that, like I reckon, we're going to all end up hanging out together because I just thought he was so sound and I really wanted to like actually just be made to him.
And then four vodkas later, there we were.
I hang on four vodkas on like the day you met.
No no, no, no, no, no no no.
Not the day we met, which there's nothing wrong with, but not the day we met.
So we had to go skiing in this little weird place because it was a ski show, and then we went and we were staying in this rotten.
Hotel in Austria for six weeks together. So it happened over there.
Wait, so you guys actually got together on the TV show, as in like it was part of the storyline of the TV show.
No no, no, no, no no, because obviously I was desperately trying to hide the fact that I was going out with somebody and I didn't want to go out with anyone in the public eye because we actually weren't going out together because he didn't want to be in a relationship. I didn't want to be in a relationship. I wanted to date around because I hadn't done it. I've been in relationships for like ten years eleven years at that stage, So we tried to just not be together, but we always ended up being together, and then eventually we were like, Okay, let's just be together because we just keep ending up there anyway.
So that's kind of how that happened.
When you both have public profiles and you've obviously been through a public facing relationship in the past, how do you then navigate that the second time round and like figure out what parts of your relationship you're gonna share, what you're not gonna share, Like what is off limits? Like, did you the two of you ever have a considered conversation about that or is it just been something that you've organically kind of figured out.
I think we've just kind of organically figured it out. Like Spending is one of those people as well, like he doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks about him, and he genuinely doesn't, Like he could read thousands of daily mail article comments about himself like that we're awful, and he'd be like, I don't care. It would mean nothing to him, and he's in like I kind of have taken some of that from him as well, where you're just like, you know, I don't care. I want to not give a shit, Like I'm happy with everything around me. Who cares about the background noise? But with regards to our relationship, no, I don't. We never sat down and had a conversation, but like you know what's private and what's not private, and what you're sharing you don't share, but like we have a podcast, so.
Much kind of find as well, Like you think you're like, I'm never gonna share that, and then the exposure happens, so like over time you start sharing more and more, like the things that you think you were never gonna share. Two years ago versus what you share Now you're like, oh, the benchmark.
Has moved by Whoops, we did it again.
I just think, though, if you're gonna do a podcast, like you can't kind of censor yourself.
You have to.
I'd rather say everything and then I listen back to the edits of MTGM and the edits of mine with Spenny, and like, I'll go through it then and if something sounds like really really terrible, or if like something's gone on too long in a conversation, like I would do it that way, but like I wouldn't send to myself because I feel like it's still to conversation.
Do you feel like you've increased in our like arguments and fighting since you work together and live together and are married and we're always.
In each other pocket, we actually know we actually don't spend as much time together as people think we do because he has all his own stuff going on. So we do our podcast together, but that's kind of like the only capacity we work in at the moment, and so he has all his He does his own podcasts as well.
He's a couple of other podcasts, and he has a business.
And stuff, so he's out of the house the lost during the day and I'm after in my own thing. So we've loads of time apart, which I think is very important in a relationship.
Yeah, says me. His boyfriend lives in Scotland, so I'm like, yeah, time of heart is super important.
Oh my god, stop where.
He lives in Glasgow. Oh he plays for Celtic. They're an Irish team originally, aren't they like the Celtic Football Club.
I don't know.
Okay, I don't know. I thought as a patriotic Irish woman you might know that. No, he lives over in Scotland. Yeah, so the time of part is very important. But it's also one of those things where like when you say you don't care about what's out there anymore and you'd rather be honest. It's really difficult for me to manage that because, like for Laura and Matt, they're both in the public eye in that sense, and they're both very funny and they take the pierce and it's their real character. Yeah, my partner's not in the world like that. Like he's in sport.
He wants to be private.
He's never been written about in his life other than sport, and all of a sudden I'm saying these things. He's not saying them. But every article is about oh no, I know something sexy, and it's really hard to manage because it's not his world.
Also, that whole you know, taking things out of the verbal and putting it in the written just doesn't go down because she sends me.
An article and he's like wow, and I'm.
Like, ah, I'm so sorry. We get that with friends, they're like, start talking about us in the podcast.
I'm like, oh god, sorry.
And my sister, we always say things about her and she's like, someone, tell me what you said.
Did you say this about me? I'm like, no, listen to it. Just don't here. Yeah, don't listen. You're fine.
Did you always want to be a mum? Because having three kids in such quick succession, it's like rapid fire during COVID, something happened there and we were the same. I always find it so interesting if that was a natural calling, or if you, once you became a mum, realized how much she loved it.
Always a natural calling.
I was one of those kids that like always I never had barbies, I always had dolls. I was always like I was asking for ironing boards for Christmas and.
Stuff like that.
I looked at my brother when he was born because he's nine years younger than me, and I always loved it. But the reason for the quick succession right, and it sounds so stupid now because it is stupid. I was basically like, I want to have four kids and I don't want to be pregnant when I'm forty, so I've got to do it like bam bam bam. And then I did a bam bam bam, and I was like, whoa, this is like so full on.
And then I'm like, maybe I don't want.
A fourth child, like and I've just done bam bam bam. But it made sense at the time, and like I suppose, when you're in it, like one child feels like a lot too, is really manageable because you just get used to it. But someone was like, to meet when you have three, they just slot in three. Does not slot in three definitely doesn't slot in ever.
Are you listening, Moura?
I think I was surprised by the jump from one to two, like they jump from one to two. It rocked me and it took me a while. But also comes down to the kid like the kid's a good sleeper, if they're a good eater, if they are all those things, it's more manageable. Yeah, a unicorn baby great. If you get a terrible kid, that's not They're not terrible, but you know they don't do any of the things. It's like you want to turn them off and reset thing.
Yeah, they're terrible.
I got a broken baby.
It just makes everything so much harder. And I mean, what was it for you when you were like, I want four children. Where did that number come from?
I suppose because I have three other siblings, and there was always four of us, and we all got on so well, and we all like and even watching T and Gig and JJ, they love each other and they play so much. And I just really wanted like that big, nice family vibe. But three feels like a big, nice family vibe.
I'll be honest, did you think you'll go a fourth or now you think you're just gonna sit on three.
I'm still suction bagging clothes, so I don't know if I'm saving.
Clothes for like a baby, why do I need them?
So I don't know. I'm gonna make my mind up by the end of next summer and then make a decision and then I'll be able to get rid of so much crack, like all the baby stuff that you have, Like I can't wait to like give that to friends and stuff like that and give it to my brother who won't help out the kids between seven and seven. He can have it, and then I want to help out with the kids between seven and seven.
Let's talk one of your businesses. You have a non alcoholic spirit brand.
That's spent it. So that's what he goes off and tells, Yeah, yeah, he's an.
On off Okay, so it's not combined, it's just his.
Oh, I mean I will own fifty percent at some stage.
Well, what was it the motivation behind that? Because you just mentioned before when you met Spencer, you know, it was the next day and he was drunk, Like obviously he loved his alcohol. So where did this whole idea of having a non alcoholic brand come from?
So he was a really, really big, big drinker when we first met. I wouldn't personally say he was an alcoholic. He just had a really bad relationship with alcohol. And then he decided to take a couple of years off drinking to begin with. And because I don't ever think it's good to put a number on it, because then you're kind of like setting yourself up to felve. Just do it for as long as you can. And he started working on this business because there was nothing for him to drink. So he was like, like, I have to go out and have like six cokes in a night, and I just don't want to be drinking that. And so he came up with Kleinkop, which is basically non oc gin. They have whiskey, they have tequila. The teala is amazing and bodka. So basically you just mix it with whatever. You mix it with tonic obviously for the gin, and I just tastes like an alcoholic drink. So he feels like he's drinking.
Is he still not drinking? Like, is he still off alcohol? And that's kind of like his current lifestyle.
Sorry, my dog just walked.
Why, Yeah, that's his current life style. My dog walked while I saw him in like the mirror of this table. Yeah, he still does us. But like, I'm not a massive, massive drinker either. I tend to drink maybe like two or three times a month. I just don't really like the taste of alcohol, so I suppose that makes it a little bit easier. I'm trying to do so b October now because I absolutely kicked the shit out of myself on Friday with Booze, so I'm trying to behave myself now.
You're coming to Australia in November for your tour with Joanne for my thirds gas to me, I feel like you need to get your sobrocked Ober out before then, because I have a sneaky suspicion you're gonna be you gonna be sinking if you drinks when you're in Australia.
I'm definitely gonna be. I can't work because I haven't been there in so long, and like I want to go.
Back to all the places that I used to go to, just to be able to go to so many different cities over there. And yeah, I'll definitely be drinking because I've got friends from years ago still over in Sydney, so like I'll be meeting up with them and it's sort of great and have fun.
Sydney's great for a night out as well.
Do you find as well, like with the live shows that you attract, like the biggest XPAC community that comes to these shows as in all of out Irish people that are here in Sydney are just so excited to come because I know that. I feel like over the last sort of six months, my therapist goes to me has absolutely blown up here across the board within Australia as well. It's not just the XPAC community, but I feel like you would have some die hards who for them is like a little piece of home.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's definitely people from arnourbook, because we all do that.
Like it's kind of a ride of passage. You get to the age of eighteen, you might go to college.
If you don't go to college, you go to Australia backpacking three year And obviously the Australians have always welcomes the Irish in and so they go and they're like, oh my god, like this place is amazing, and lots of them stay and so there's a big, huge community out there. Oh it's such a fun audience as well, like everyone is just up for a laugh and like they're just really great crack. And that's another reason, like when you go on stage, but you two will know is that you just like you can't really just go home straight after because you're not going to fall asleep because you're so wired, because you're so excited from the show.
So yeah, I'm definitely going to drink.
In Australia, I'll have to say. We went to Joanne's show when she was here, Yeah, and it was a sea of Irish like ye see, and every Irish person I knew messaged me saying like, you have to come to you have to get tickets to this show and I was like, yeah, bro, we just interviewed her on the podcast. But it was the community here that loves you guys is astronomical. But I feel, like Laura said before, the AUSSI community here that loves you guys is growing tenfold, Like we need to actually, you know what, let's not release this. They don't need you.
There.
We actually don't want them to take my bar, No do do We'll get you.
What do you reckon for you and Joanne? I mean, obviously you guys have an amazing friendship, But what do you think is a secret source to your success and what has made it really stand out in a sea of podcasts?
I honestly can't answer that. I don't really know.
I think that like it's just it's because people listening just feel like they're sitting having a drink with their mates, I suppose, and that's the kind of whole vibe to it.
And Joanne I sit and we just laugh, laugh, laugh.
Like the whole time we're doing the podcast together, and I know when we're having fun that it will be fun to listen to. And I think that we're just really enjoying it and really enjoy and spending that time together and creating the podcast.
But like, I genuinely don't know.
I think it gets to the point where you feel like you're almost sisters more than friends or business partners, Like you get to know each other so well. Yeah, and you work together so closely, which is why I was going to say to you, do you guys ever argue, disagree or like we all have a little bicker about something, because obviously you have You're always going to have different opinions on things. That's lie, But we work it out like sisters and it's actually pretty funny. And then within like twenty minutes where looks like nothing ever happened and we're kind of.
The same, We're like a six minute argument might happen with the last one we had was it would have been May last year over a video.
Joan was like, we're not put that video. I hate the way I look at that video.
And I was like, but we need to have videos, and she goes, you're not the boss, and I was like, you're not the boss.
And then it was literally it was literally like about a six minute argument.
But we like generally we kind of agree on the same kind of stuff, Like we agree on like on what we're gonna host.
Read on the pod and everything like that.
Like in general we do agree, but if we have a little argument, it's like a six minute one. And Joanne's literally like, if we ever argue like properly, I'm taking us to couples therapy.
I'm like, I think we're okay, and I think we're going to get there.
Also, if you do end up in couples therapy, fucking amazing content perfect you guys just go there anyway.
It's not bad.
When something like that heart was you're like, oh, well, content, Yeah.
I think people actually forget about that that you do put so much content out that sometimes when you're feeling like really, I don't want to say down, but like you're boring, right, you're at a boring part of your life. There's no content. It was not that long ago that Laura was in Bali. Well it might be last year. She walked past this place and she took her picture of the sign and she sent it to me, just like thoughts and it was like to get your vagina steamed. And I was like, I was like, sign up right now. We've got nothing going this week, Tae. I would just like to reiterate if you guys haven't heard that story, it was not a fucking vagina steaming.
It was an insertion and it was not what I signed up for.
Oh they put something in instead of like a nice ye one scene.
So you know how you can get those facials where it zaps you and it contracts your skin to try and tighten your face. It's that, but it goes inside your vagina. It's called a vaginal osonizer. And anyway, look, that was a real gift that kept on giving.
Well, speaking of that, you're doing in a sexual right now? Is that right? I saw you and Joanne doing like this sex adventure throughout Abiza Abita Abiza. I never know what that is.
I love the way the Australian say Abiza that I know and I can tell how crazy are Abitha is more like English. I bet that we say I Beta in Ireland and we went that was like a year ago when we went on like this like sexual journey together and we did one of those yly scenes but not like something shoved up, which sounds very unpleasant.
You haven't lived well, I have you ever?
Are those tampons that you get so after you have a baby, like when you're trying to like get yourself back in nice order and like it's like these tampons that you put in and they basically like not electrocute you, but like a nicer word than that, but kind of the same thing.
Yeah, that's what this is.
I mean, like, well, yeah, so it's like a thing that it's not a tampon. It's connected to a machine and it's like softly buzzing inside you to try and like reignite your puvic. I currently meant to do it all the time. So I just had one treatment. It did nothing, but look I fell asleep and it was quite joyable. So I'm not gonna complain.
You had a really nice time. I Oh, yeah, you're asking me about to eat that. No, so we went and filmed that. It was quite funny. It was it was interesting getting tied up and spying by Juanne.
So in case you haven't seen it, they go in and like when you did this whole like wellness sexual journey. Yeah, what do you think if anything? Like what was your biggest takeaway from your sex capaid sex Journey?
In IBETHA from the sex Capade, I feel like we're a couple of people who can't really be arrest Like I want, I.
Want to have really good sex, but like I.
Can't be arsed spending like forty five minutes having someone time me up, Like I just can't.
It's too much.
There's bits that I'd like to do, like if we're gonna do tying off like just crab the I don't know the thing from the bathrobe and we'll do it like that. But I'm not spending half an hour forty five minutes being tied up because it's so unsexual by then that you're just like fuck.
This, I'm not even turned on anymore.
When we've got three kids and several businesses, Like who has the fucking time when you couldn't sleep like all you need missionary, get it done, get it over and go to bed, and everyone's happier for it.
Any longer than three minutes, it's like, God, baby, what the fuck are you doing?
Are you of time?
Well?
Tell everyone what cities you're hitting for your my therapist goes to me tour when you come and join in November, and where people can get tickets. We've already bought ours. I did. I was hoping you'd send us.
Like a better honor.
We did.
We'll be at the Sydney show. Yeah, we contributed a lot of money. We cookie in for some drinks. We'll do some celebrations while you're here.
Let's definite go out in Sydney. God, I can't. I wouldn't even know where it's good in Sydney.
An I'm I don't go anywhere. But we'll find it.
Don't worry.
Well, we'll look it hard.
It sounds like we're not going to find us. We're gonna kick the shit out of Sydney. We're gonna find it.
I have not found it in a long time, but I will look for it thoroughly.
We'll find you somewhere, but no, tell everyone about the show.
Oh stop, Okay, So we're doing Perth amazing, eleventh November, Sydney, the fifteenth of November and the sixteenth Melbourne.
I was gonna say, belfus Melbourne.
And we've just added Brisbane, which is amazing because we didn't we didn't think we were gonna be able to get the theater there, so it wasn't on the first one of shows.
And now we've out of Brisbane, which is gonna be great.
Crack No, we're super pumped. We've got our tickets. The three of us are coming produced Keyshell, Laura myself. We absolutely can't wait. I tried to go to your show in London recently for two reasons. One I wanted to obviously have a great night out, but two I selfishly wanted to do some due diligence on what your guys live shows were like before we did our live show.
I did that to people, did you, Yeah, of course you have to go see you other pod shows.
Well, we're gonna love you and leave you. We'll see you in November, and everyone head over to my therapist, goes to me. If you want to follow them or you want to go to the live show.
Thank you and let's kick the shit out of Sydney when we get there.
Yeah, fuck yeah, far out.
I just love them.
You couldn't get too cooler people besides Laura myself, you could not get.
You can't said by two people who are particularly uncle No.
I have a lot of time for them. I really love them and I love that what they're about. And if you guys haven't, maybe you missed the episode with Joan McNally, which is the other half.
We will link that.
In the show notes if you want to go back and give that a listen. But I promise you you'll leave that episode feeling better and it's really good just to sit back, kick back and have a laugh.
Yeah, exercise some pelvic floor muscles because yeah, you'll definitely wear your pants.
And ask and cut is coming tomorrow and we'll see you then. You know the tell your mom, tell your dad, you do, tell your friends and shadd love because we love love.
Great job, Britt. I like that you just decided to check out.
I've purposely looked at you left your hands.
If you don't when you're in fine bye.
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