Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders past and present.

Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders past and present.

Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was recorded on gadigal Land. Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.

Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was recorded on gadigal Land. Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.

I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and nothing keeps you more humble. I tell you what than you lot like. I came in here today, vibe and myself, I thought I looked winter chic.

I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and nothing keeps you more humble. I tell you what than you lot like. I came in here today, vibe and myself, I thought I looked winter chic.

You do look winter she winter welding yak chi.

You do look winter she winter welding yak chi.

I have a beautiful little winter knit on that's like short with short sleeves. So it's like that in between because we're actually two days out of winter. And some new knee high boots, well I've had them for a couple of weeks, but they're like fashion faar. We need to do a photo of these because things on YouTube. Okay, put your leg up in the air, anyone on YouTube, come and have a squeeze.

I have a beautiful little winter knit on that's like short with short sleeves. So it's like that in between because we're actually two days out of winter. And some new knee high boots, well I've had them for a couple of weeks, but they're like fashion faar. We need to do a photo of these because things on YouTube. Okay, put your leg up in the air, anyone on YouTube, come and have a squeeze.

They are imagine boots that went all the way up to your LaBier and then you fold them back down.

They are imagine boots that went all the way up to your LaBier and then you fold them back down.

Your lab comes to your knee. Mine doesn't.

Your lab comes to your knee. Mine doesn't.

Well, then they wouldn't be as folded over as yours if they were my LaBier. But I'm saying, I imagine if your boots came all the way up to your upper thigh and then you folded that down over.

Well, then they wouldn't be as folded over as yours if they were my LaBier. But I'm saying, I imagine if your boots came all the way up to your upper thigh and then you folded that down over.

It's just a double layered boot. It's big in Paris.

It's just a double layered boot. It's big in Paris.

I love them. It's a vibe. Don't be jelly.

I love them. It's a vibe. Don't be jelly.

But I'm just telling you what they remind me of. They remind me of welding, welding work boots. So if you're working with like molten metal and also the bottom of a yak.

But I'm just telling you what they remind me of. They remind me of welding, welding work boots. So if you're working with like molten metal and also the bottom of a yak.

Literally just said, I look like a yak. She goes, what's that animal with heaps of hair down the front? Thanks, guys. I tell you what.

Literally just said, I look like a yak. She goes, what's that animal with heaps of hair down the front? Thanks, guys. I tell you what.

I woke up this morning and I have the start of a stye. And it's the most annoying thing ever. And I was sitting the through and I was like, what do I do? Do I pop it? Do I touch it? How do you deal with a sty?

I woke up this morning and I have the start of a stye. And it's the most annoying thing ever. And I was sitting the through and I was like, what do I do? Do I pop it? Do I touch it? How do you deal with a sty?

I know what to do your tea bag yourself, not Maddie j but you put probably how I got it in the first place.

I know what to do your tea bag yourself, not Maddie j but you put probably how I got it in the first place.

That's not how you make babies.

That's not how you make babies.

You actually get like a green I'm pretty sure it's green. It's a specific type of tea bag, green tea bag, and you soak it in the water and then you put the whole you lay down and you put the whole tea bag on your eye. I promise you this is a thing. When I was growing up, I used to get them really bad. My grandma used to always say that you should rub a gold ring on it. That's like an old wives tile that if you get a star, you rub a gold.

You actually get like a green I'm pretty sure it's green. It's a specific type of tea bag, green tea bag, and you soak it in the water and then you put the whole you lay down and you put the whole tea bag on your eye. I promise you this is a thing. When I was growing up, I used to get them really bad. My grandma used to always say that you should rub a gold ring on it. That's like an old wives tile that if you get a star, you rub a gold.

Ring, which is when you think about that, when you think about how to not mad, when you think about a gold ring. So Dirney, it's so unhygienic. What a stupid old wives tot. So you have an infection in your eye, rub something that's clearly not clean.

Ring, which is when you think about that, when you think about how to not mad, when you think about a gold ring. So Dirney, it's so unhygienic. What a stupid old wives tot. So you have an infection in your eye, rub something that's clearly not clean.

On your eye to get rid of it.

On your eye to get rid of it.

Yeah, anyway, I don't know what's worse between having a stye and having hemorrhoids.

Yeah, anyway, I don't know what's worse between having a stye and having hemorrhoids.

I'm fucking done with the day. Wow that escaloated. I'm done. I'm done.

I'm fucking done with the day. Wow that escaloated. I'm done. I'm done.

No one would have known you had hemorrhoids if you didn't throw it in there that you like, let me just tell you everything's wrong with me right now.

No one would have known you had hemorrhoids if you didn't throw it in there that you like, let me just tell you everything's wrong with me right now.

If you've vaginally birthed two children, I'm going to take a punt that you've got hemorrhoids. I don't think it's one hundred percent, but no, but it's a high stat I reckon you'd be pretty good if you place that bet, though, if your life depended on it.

If you've vaginally birthed two children, I'm going to take a punt that you've got hemorrhoids. I don't think it's one hundred percent, but no, but it's a high stat I reckon you'd be pretty good if you place that bet, though, if your life depended on it.

Do they don't they?

Do they don't they?

If there's a game of hemorrhoid Roulett, you'd be pretty good saying yes. If that person's got two kids.

If there's a game of hemorrhoid Roulett, you'd be pretty good saying yes. If that person's got two kids.

That's a lot from morning, isn't it.

That's a lot from morning, isn't it.

It's Monday morning right now here in the studio, and that is a lot even for me, and I've done.

It's Monday morning right now here in the studio, and that is a lot even for me, and I've done.

It well, thank god, I don't have a sty. But the time has come. Today's Monday. Ben is arriving tonight. He's on a plane right now, so when you guys are listening to this, we could still be having sex. He would have been here for about if you download this first thing in the morning, produce as wants to cut that out.

It well, thank god, I don't have a sty. But the time has come. Today's Monday. Ben is arriving tonight. He's on a plane right now, so when you guys are listening to this, we could still be having sex. He would have been here for about if you download this first thing in the morning, produce as wants to cut that out.

I can see your eyes wrong.

I can see your eyes wrong.

If you listen to this first thing in the morning, he would have been here at like eleven PM that night.

If you listen to this first thing in the morning, he would have been here at like eleven PM that night.

Can I tell you?

Can I tell you?

And my step brother listened to the episode that we did last week when we were talking about me or my stepdad, he said, oh, you know, he was like I'm really grateful for how you spoke about everything he goes. However, I just want to make a note I probably won't listen to any more episodes after listening to Britt talk about her boyfriend coming in her for the ten minutes start of that episode, He's like, it really did me over. He was like, interesting trajectory that your podcast takes. How you managed to talk about that stuff, then go into palliative care, and then talk about whatever else it was that we covered on that episode.

And my step brother listened to the episode that we did last week when we were talking about me or my stepdad, he said, oh, you know, he was like I'm really grateful for how you spoke about everything he goes. However, I just want to make a note I probably won't listen to any more episodes after listening to Britt talk about her boyfriend coming in her for the ten minutes start of that episode, He's like, it really did me over. He was like, interesting trajectory that your podcast takes. How you managed to talk about that stuff, then go into palliative care, and then talk about whatever else it was that we covered on that episode.

It was a real rollercoaster of an emotion. Yes, it is, and sometimes that's what happens.

It was a real rollercoaster of an emotion. Yes, it is, and sometimes that's what happens.

I guess that's what life on CUNT is, right, a b to be bite high, biddlo bit of everything.

I guess that's what life on CUNT is, right, a b to be bite high, biddlo bit of everything.

Well, we do have a very I think it's a very interesting episode of you guys. Today. We're talking about whether you can maintain friendships and relationships with people who have very differing views to you, whether it be political, whether it be religious. But obviously we have a few things to cover first, brit do you have any plans for whilst Ben is here? Like, is there any apart from just being excited for him to be landing in the country this evening?

Well, we do have a very I think it's a very interesting episode of you guys. Today. We're talking about whether you can maintain friendships and relationships with people who have very differing views to you, whether it be political, whether it be religious. But obviously we have a few things to cover first, brit do you have any plans for whilst Ben is here? Like, is there any apart from just being excited for him to be landing in the country this evening?

Is there anything else that you have going on. Oh yeah, So we've booked.

Is there anything else that you have going on. Oh yeah, So we've booked.

Basically he's here for three weeks and it's pretty NonStop, like every weekend is a long weekend because I want to try and show him different parts of Australia and we also need to try and fit my family in as well. Import McCrory, I'm taking him deep sea fishing. We're going back to Hamilton Island. We're going to the Gold Coast so he can meet my like two of my really close friends up there. Because the thing is, we've been together, I don't know of eighteen months now, and he doesn't really know anyone in my life, like he's met you guys, and then and my family and that's it because I guess we only see each other every couple of months and we're always going on a holiday to spend our time together. So I really wanted him to meet my really close friends on the Gold Coast. So we're gonna go out there, have some dinners, meet one of his friends in Byron Bay. It's actually a lot, but I'm most excited to take him deep sea fishing.

Basically he's here for three weeks and it's pretty NonStop, like every weekend is a long weekend because I want to try and show him different parts of Australia and we also need to try and fit my family in as well. Import McCrory, I'm taking him deep sea fishing. We're going back to Hamilton Island. We're going to the Gold Coast so he can meet my like two of my really close friends up there. Because the thing is, we've been together, I don't know of eighteen months now, and he doesn't really know anyone in my life, like he's met you guys, and then and my family and that's it because I guess we only see each other every couple of months and we're always going on a holiday to spend our time together. So I really wanted him to meet my really close friends on the Gold Coast. So we're gonna go out there, have some dinners, meet one of his friends in Byron Bay. It's actually a lot, but I'm most excited to take him deep sea fishing.

So it's so random. It's so random, but it's also so cute.

So it's so random. It's so random, but it's also so cute.

I feel like you guys are on and I guess it is, but you're always on a perpetual holiday when you're together. Yeah, so you're like, this is my life what you like? But you know what I said to Ben, I said, what are you most excited about?

I feel like you guys are on and I guess it is, but you're always on a perpetual holiday when you're together. Yeah, so you're like, this is my life what you like? But you know what I said to Ben, I said, what are you most excited about?

Because I've made all his plans because you have to plan it right otherwise the time goes too quickly and you don't get anything done.

Because I've made all his plans because you have to plan it right otherwise the time goes too quickly and you don't get anything done.

And I was like, what are you most excited about?

And I was like, what are you most excited about?

And He's like, to be honest, I'm just most excited about going for a walk with you and Delilah, holding your hand and just doing normal stuff. He's like just walking down the street to the coffee shop like that I go to every day because I call him at the same coffee shop every day, going to the dog park that I go to. He just wants to live those normal things. And to me, that was the best because I'm like, I've just made this amazing three holiday and all he wants to do is literally go for a walk and hold my hand, like stop it, Like that.

And He's like, to be honest, I'm just most excited about going for a walk with you and Delilah, holding your hand and just doing normal stuff. He's like just walking down the street to the coffee shop like that I go to every day because I call him at the same coffee shop every day, going to the dog park that I go to. He just wants to live those normal things. And to me, that was the best because I'm like, I've just made this amazing three holiday and all he wants to do is literally go for a walk and hold my hand, like stop it, Like that.

Is the cutest thing.

Is the cutest thing.

Do you think that there is any possibility that he might propose? And I know we discussed this episode, but I'm curious as to how you feel about it and whether you think because you know, I mean we I say it like, I don't know, like we talk about this stuff, but you guys don't know, so.

Do you think that there is any possibility that he might propose? And I know we discussed this episode, but I'm curious as to how you feel about it and whether you think because you know, I mean we I say it like, I don't know, like we talk about this stuff, but you guys don't know, so.

I think I, I mean, I would probably be shocked if he didn't propose this year.

I think I, I mean, I would probably be shocked if he didn't propose this year.

Okay, but we have three more, like you know, like he's got time.

Okay, but we have three more, like you know, like he's got time.

Yeah, we've got three like more holidays that we're together this year. Sometimes we'll be with Jane Sherry over in Europe, then we're spending Christmas together. We've got a few more little trips. But the way we have talked about our future and like our timeline of things like weddings or kids and moving, I'd be shocked if it's not twenty twenty four.

Yeah, we've got three like more holidays that we're together this year. Sometimes we'll be with Jane Sherry over in Europe, then we're spending Christmas together. We've got a few more little trips. But the way we have talked about our future and like our timeline of things like weddings or kids and moving, I'd be shocked if it's not twenty twenty four.

Yeah, you're like, it's coming. I'm trying to save myself a buffer in case it doesn't happen.

Yeah, you're like, it's coming. I'm trying to save myself a buffer in case it doesn't happen.

I'm like, I will be shocked if it's not by twenty twenty seven.

I'm like, I will be shocked if it's not by twenty twenty seven.

So yeah, but I I I don't know.

So yeah, but I I I don't know.

I just can't see him doing it because I plan everything. He doesn't even know how can he plan it? He doesn't even know where we're going or what where we're staying. He doesn't know anything because I do it all. So I'm like, unless you're just going to carry a ring around and hope that we hit somewhere aesthetic but there's no one around and.

I just can't see him doing it because I plan everything. He doesn't even know how can he plan it? He doesn't even know where we're going or what where we're staying. He doesn't know anything because I do it all. So I'm like, unless you're just going to carry a ring around and hope that we hit somewhere aesthetic but there's no one around and.

It's a you know, which I guess he could do.

It's a you know, which I guess he could do.

But but then you're also like planned a little bit because I want a nice photo of it.

But but then you're also like planned a little bit because I want a nice photo of it.

I want a memory.

I want a memory.

Video and record that I'll never forget, like where Matt proposed and we went to Fiji, and it should have been a dead giveaway that the guy set up a go pro, but he always sets up no, no no. As soon as I saw the go I was like, oh, did you think? Yeah? I did a bit, But then he just started crying, and I was like, what's going on?

Video and record that I'll never forget, like where Matt proposed and we went to Fiji, and it should have been a dead giveaway that the guy set up a go pro, but he always sets up no, no no. As soon as I saw the go I was like, oh, did you think? Yeah? I did a bit, But then he just started crying, and I was like, what's going on?

Because it wasn't It didn't seem like he was happy. Why have I never seen the video?

Because it wasn't It didn't seem like he was happy. Why have I never seen the video?

Actually because probably because I was like, I honestly, for a second thought he was going to tell me something horrible, like he had cancer, because he just started crying and wanted to capture on film, but didn't do it in a way that seemed positive. He was crying and I was like, and then when he proposed, I was like, are you trapped right now?

Actually because probably because I was like, I honestly, for a second thought he was going to tell me something horrible, like he had cancer, because he just started crying and wanted to capture on film, but didn't do it in a way that seemed positive. He was crying and I was like, and then when he proposed, I was like, are you trapped right now?

Also dying Blink.

Also dying Blink.

Twice if you're okay with this, Blink twice if this is actually.

Twice if you're okay with this, Blink twice if this is actually.

Voluntary part of a contract or is it just because I got pregnant? What's happening here? Nah?

Voluntary part of a contract or is it just because I got pregnant? What's happening here? Nah?

He would crying because it was so overwhelmed by emotion. Couldn't control him to have the video. Yeah, can I see it? I'm pretty sure it's on Instagram?

He would crying because it was so overwhelmed by emotion. Couldn't control him to have the video. Yeah, can I see it? I'm pretty sure it's on Instagram?

Is it? Maybe I feel like I've never seen it just without sound. Maybe it was too triggering for me, so I did watch it well. Speaking of weddings, speaking of proposals. On the weekend just passed, we went down to Mollymog. We took the kids down to Mollymog. It's like three and a half hours from Sydney. If you're not familiar with it, it's right on the coast. But it's also where Matt and I got married, and it's the first time we've been down there since our wedding. And we went back to our wedding venue and we had such a sweet couple of days. But there's something really I don't know, there's something really.

Is it? Maybe I feel like I've never seen it just without sound. Maybe it was too triggering for me, so I did watch it well. Speaking of weddings, speaking of proposals. On the weekend just passed, we went down to Mollymog. We took the kids down to Mollymog. It's like three and a half hours from Sydney. If you're not familiar with it, it's right on the coast. But it's also where Matt and I got married, and it's the first time we've been down there since our wedding. And we went back to our wedding venue and we had such a sweet couple of days. But there's something really I don't know, there's something really.

Odd about going back to your wedding venue on a day where it's just functioning like a normal restaurant because we were standing and have quite the.

Odd about going back to your wedding venue on a day where it's just functioning like a normal restaurant because we were standing and have quite the.

Magic where there's like kids running around.

Magic where there's like kids running around.

I was like, standing in the same spot and then had to ask, like some sixteen year old waiter.

I was like, standing in the same spot and then had to ask, like some sixteen year old waiter.

I was like, can you take a photo of us? And he and then did you explain it? We got married here?

I was like, can you take a photo of us? And he and then did you explain it? We got married here?

And Matt was like, you don't need to tell this man our whole story. And I was like, oh, we got married here and we had the kids, and Matt was like, shut up, Laura, just a dog. And so then he was taking a photo and I was like, no, could you take a portrait?

And Matt was like, you don't need to tell this man our whole story. And I was like, oh, we got married here and we had the kids, and Matt was like, shut up, Laura, just a dog. And so then he was taking a photo and I was like, no, could you take a portrait?

And anyways do that? It was embarrassed, so I can use it, Prince slippit, flipp it. God knows.

And anyways do that? It was embarrassed, so I can use it, Prince slippit, flipp it. God knows.

I'm not taking these mone memories. I'm taking them for Instagram. Okay, the camera around So anyway, it was really cute, but also it was kind of nice to have a little moment where we got to go back to we set all of those beautiful things to each other and set our vows to each other.

I'm not taking these mone memories. I'm taking them for Instagram. Okay, the camera around So anyway, it was really cute, but also it was kind of nice to have a little moment where we got to go back to we set all of those beautiful things to each other and set our vows to each other.

I don't know, I don't even know how to describe it, be.

I don't know, I don't even know how to describe it, be.

Like, oh, I remember that day and how much love there was and how much we love each other.

Like, oh, I remember that day and how much love there was and how much we love each other.

It was a beautiful day.

It was a beautiful day.

But you know the thing, and I'm like, you can probably see me about to laugh, the thing that I think of when I think of your wedding. I don't know why, and I hate that this is the first memory that popped into my head.

But you know the thing, and I'm like, you can probably see me about to laugh, the thing that I think of when I think of your wedding. I don't know why, and I hate that this is the first memory that popped into my head.

But I can't ever forget when you were mad. We're trying to have that really cool moment. It's a video moment, it's a shop moment, it's a moment for the crowd. It's like whatever.

But I can't ever forget when you were mad. We're trying to have that really cool moment. It's a video moment, it's a shop moment, it's a moment for the crowd. It's like whatever.

But you were trying to fill all the champagne. You know when you have it's hower of champagne glasses and it flows over.

But you were trying to fill all the champagne. You know when you have it's hower of champagne glasses and it flows over.

You had too many, and.

You had too many, and.

Everyone was like whoa at the start, and then it was like twenty minutes and they weren't even half full, and you were still poor, and you were like, fuck it.

Everyone was like whoa at the start, and then it was like twenty minutes and they weren't even half full, and you were still poor, and you were like, fuck it.

You didn't even finish it. You wasn't done.

You didn't even finish it. You wasn't done.

We did the champagne fountain at My advice is, if you have a champagne fountain at your wedding, yeah, you only need like three or four layers, because otherwise four also cost us a bowl. We had to empty out like ten bottles champagne to try and filll it. No one drank it. And we had to pay for that. Champagne's had your waist. You didn't even feel it. It didn't even work.

We did the champagne fountain at My advice is, if you have a champagne fountain at your wedding, yeah, you only need like three or four layers, because otherwise four also cost us a bowl. We had to empty out like ten bottles champagne to try and filll it. No one drank it. And we had to pay for that. Champagne's had your waist. You didn't even feel it. It didn't even work.

Did you crack the shits? It didn't even work. That is so funny. Oh that's really nice. It was really nice.

Did you crack the shits? It didn't even work. That is so funny. Oh that's really nice. It was really nice.

That's my happy fing Would you read me of ours like at some point go back there.

That's my happy fing Would you read me of ours like at some point go back there.

Yeah. So when we were there, Marley and Laula, when we were leaving, they started crying and they're like, but we didn't even get married.

Yeah. So when we were there, Marley and Laula, when we were leaving, they started crying and they're like, but we didn't even get married.

We didn't even have a wedding.

We didn't even have a wedding.

And I was like, oh, no, you've done You've miss You've misunderstood what the purpose of today was.

And I was like, oh, no, you've done You've miss You've misunderstood what the purpose of today was.

We will do that again.

We will do that again.

But yeah, I think ten years, don't you do like a wedding renewal or of our renew a ten years?

But yeah, I think ten years, don't you do like a wedding renewal or of our renew a ten years?

Well you don't have to, but like Hollywood does, Yeah we will. I think Justin Bieber and Hailey Beaver just did to be married for like thirty seconds.

Well you don't have to, but like Hollywood does, Yeah we will. I think Justin Bieber and Hailey Beaver just did to be married for like thirty seconds.

Yeah, but they've been through a lot, they have lived a life. That couple. Well they're pregnant. Good for them anyway.

Yeah, but they've been through a lot, they have lived a life. That couple. Well they're pregnant. Good for them anyway.

So you guys might have seen it two weeks ago. There is a speech that has gone absolutely viral and now it's Harrison Butker, who is an American footballer, and he gave a graduation speech at the Benedictine College, which is a Catholic college. People are incredibly divided around the values that were described in his speech, and the reason for that is is because when you put it into context. Firstly, yes, it is a Catholic college, but this speech was given to women, men, to people who have graduated from their degrees, so they have dedicated the last three to potentially longer five, six, seven years.

So you guys might have seen it two weeks ago. There is a speech that has gone absolutely viral and now it's Harrison Butker, who is an American footballer, and he gave a graduation speech at the Benedictine College, which is a Catholic college. People are incredibly divided around the values that were described in his speech, and the reason for that is is because when you put it into context. Firstly, yes, it is a Catholic college, but this speech was given to women, men, to people who have graduated from their degrees, so they have dedicated the last three to potentially longer five, six, seven years.

And then a lot of money because Americans have to pay a lot of money for their colleges.

And then a lot of money because Americans have to pay a lot of money for their colleges.

To become qualified doctors, lawyers, surgeons, teachers, etc. So off the back of this, the thing that was so divisive is the part in his speech that he speaks about a woman's most important vocation in life, and that was, as described by Harrison himself, to be a wife or a mother.

To become qualified doctors, lawyers, surgeons, teachers, etc. So off the back of this, the thing that was so divisive is the part in his speech that he speaks about a woman's most important vocation in life, and that was, as described by Harrison himself, to be a wife or a mother.

Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living vocation as a wife and as a mother.

Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living vocation as a wife and as a mother.

Now, we I mean, we discussed this quite a bit a couple of weeks ago as to whether we would even talk about this on the pod, and the reason for that is because so many other podcasts and news outlets have covered it. We kind of felt like it was flogging a dead horse, even though I myself had made a video on Instagram about it, and we've had lots of conversations internally. But the reason why we're talking about this now is because there has been more to the story. So Travis Kelsey, who we all know is Taylor Swist's boyfriend, has come out on his podcast and has given a statement around this speech itself, and he's spoken about how, even though he doesn't believe in Harrison's values, how he loves and adores him as a teammate and as a person.

Now, we I mean, we discussed this quite a bit a couple of weeks ago as to whether we would even talk about this on the pod, and the reason for that is because so many other podcasts and news outlets have covered it. We kind of felt like it was flogging a dead horse, even though I myself had made a video on Instagram about it, and we've had lots of conversations internally. But the reason why we're talking about this now is because there has been more to the story. So Travis Kelsey, who we all know is Taylor Swist's boyfriend, has come out on his podcast and has given a statement around this speech itself, and he's spoken about how, even though he doesn't believe in Harrison's values, how he loves and adores him as a teammate and as a person.

Yeah, so on Travis's own podcast, he came out and said, I cherish him as a teammate. He's treated the family that I've introduced to him with nothing but respect and kindness, and that is how he treats everyone when it comes down to his views and what he says at Saint Bettedictine's commencement speech, those are his. I can't say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids. And I don't think that I should judge him by his views, especially his religious views of how to go about life. That's just not who I am. I genuinely really liked Travis's statement. His brother said something very similar, Like his brother went on to say, there's always going to be opinions that everybody shares that you're going to disagree with. Another one of his teammates, Patrick Mahome, who's like also uber famous in that world, came and made a very similar statement. And I quite like the fact that his team are supporting him for who he is and who they know him to be, even though they don't agree with his opinions. And I think the reason that his speech in general was so divisive is because it is perceived to be quite regressive. The reason is he goes on to speak a lot about IVF being unnatural and that it shouldn't be happening, about same sex relationships are not natural in God's eyes, and in his eyes, he doesn't believe in contraception. If you can't have children naturally, you should going down the IVF route. Oh yeah, there are lots of things in there that I think a lot of shit. If you listen to the full twenty minute speech will rile a lot of people up.

Yeah, so on Travis's own podcast, he came out and said, I cherish him as a teammate. He's treated the family that I've introduced to him with nothing but respect and kindness, and that is how he treats everyone when it comes down to his views and what he says at Saint Bettedictine's commencement speech, those are his. I can't say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids. And I don't think that I should judge him by his views, especially his religious views of how to go about life. That's just not who I am. I genuinely really liked Travis's statement. His brother said something very similar, Like his brother went on to say, there's always going to be opinions that everybody shares that you're going to disagree with. Another one of his teammates, Patrick Mahome, who's like also uber famous in that world, came and made a very similar statement. And I quite like the fact that his team are supporting him for who he is and who they know him to be, even though they don't agree with his opinions. And I think the reason that his speech in general was so divisive is because it is perceived to be quite regressive. The reason is he goes on to speak a lot about IVF being unnatural and that it shouldn't be happening, about same sex relationships are not natural in God's eyes, and in his eyes, he doesn't believe in contraception. If you can't have children naturally, you should going down the IVF route. Oh yeah, there are lots of things in there that I think a lot of shit. If you listen to the full twenty minute speech will rile a lot of people up.

So this brings us to.

So this brings us to.

The question that we wanted to speak about today. Can you have a relationship with people, friendships, associations, work, colleagues, romantic relationships? Can you have these relationships with someone that you feel so strongly about different views, political or religious, or whatever it seems to be. And I personally quite like Jason and Travis's statement on their podcast. I like a lot of the other teammates from the Chiefs came out and showed their support but said they didn't necessarily agree with their views. And I think personally there is a huge part of me that detests this guy and every single thing he said, absolutely, And the reason is myself perceives his speech to be quite regressive. And I think a lot of the population that probably aren't heavily Catholic perceive it to be quite regressive. And now I do want to say a lot of Catholic population because there are some people that are Catholic that don't necessarily agree with what he said. But the key word here is perceived. It's how we view his opinion and his thoughts. And this is where it gets really tricky and a little bit muddy. Harrison went on to say a lot of other shit like that is so cooked. A lot of things that I found to be almost like subliminal messaging, little tiny little things that I equipped and picked up, and I don't know if you picked them up, Laura, but.

The question that we wanted to speak about today. Can you have a relationship with people, friendships, associations, work, colleagues, romantic relationships? Can you have these relationships with someone that you feel so strongly about different views, political or religious, or whatever it seems to be. And I personally quite like Jason and Travis's statement on their podcast. I like a lot of the other teammates from the Chiefs came out and showed their support but said they didn't necessarily agree with their views. And I think personally there is a huge part of me that detests this guy and every single thing he said, absolutely, And the reason is myself perceives his speech to be quite regressive. And I think a lot of the population that probably aren't heavily Catholic perceive it to be quite regressive. And now I do want to say a lot of Catholic population because there are some people that are Catholic that don't necessarily agree with what he said. But the key word here is perceived. It's how we view his opinion and his thoughts. And this is where it gets really tricky and a little bit muddy. Harrison went on to say a lot of other shit like that is so cooked. A lot of things that I found to be almost like subliminal messaging, little tiny little things that I equipped and picked up, and I don't know if you picked them up, Laura, but.

Even things when referring to in his speech.

Even things when referring to in his speech.

In Harrison's speech, he made a statement about Taylor Swift, but he didn't say her name. Instead of using her name, who is one of the most I think she is the most successful artist of our time, he said, my teammate's girlfriend, and then he quoted what she said. He didn't even give her a name. And that's because she's out there earning the big bucks. She's out there absolutely killing it as a woman, empowering people instead of being at home being a mother and a childbearer.

In Harrison's speech, he made a statement about Taylor Swift, but he didn't say her name. Instead of using her name, who is one of the most I think she is the most successful artist of our time, he said, my teammate's girlfriend, and then he quoted what she said. He didn't even give her a name. And that's because she's out there earning the big bucks. She's out there absolutely killing it as a woman, empowering people instead of being at home being a mother and a childbearer.

But do I think he deserves the hate and backlash that he's getting. Not necessarily well, I mean it was interesting because I put up a.

But do I think he deserves the hate and backlash that he's getting. Not necessarily well, I mean it was interesting because I put up a.

We made a satirical video when this speech started to go viral in the media. And the way that Instagram works is really interesting because originally, when it pushes out that type of content, when you create something, it goes out to your immediate audience, and usually your immediate audience has similar views and values to you. That's the reason why they're following you. They hate well, oh they hate follow you. So originally the response to my video, which was just basically a stab at what his speech was, it was all people being like, yes, oh my god, this is outrageous, and it was all very supportive. That video kind of went semiviral, so it's had one point six million views, it's been shared thirteen thousand times, it's had two and a half thousand plus comments on it. So originally all the comments were like in support of me. And then over the last couple of weeks, what I've noticed is that the algorithm has spat that piece of content out beyond my network, and once.

We made a satirical video when this speech started to go viral in the media. And the way that Instagram works is really interesting because originally, when it pushes out that type of content, when you create something, it goes out to your immediate audience, and usually your immediate audience has similar views and values to you. That's the reason why they're following you. They hate well, oh they hate follow you. So originally the response to my video, which was just basically a stab at what his speech was, it was all people being like, yes, oh my god, this is outrageous, and it was all very supportive. That video kind of went semiviral, so it's had one point six million views, it's been shared thirteen thousand times, it's had two and a half thousand plus comments on it. So originally all the comments were like in support of me. And then over the last couple of weeks, what I've noticed is that the algorithm has spat that piece of content out beyond my network, and once.

It moved the Catholic network.

It moved the Catholic network.

Literally, once it moved beyond my network, I realized how much hate I was receiving for something that was criticizing his views and criticizing his values. I mean, I think about what Travis Kelsey's come out and said, and he's obviously got to work alongside Harrison. He has to have an amicable team environment alongside Harrison, and I think that there is value in him saying because he would have been forced to make a public statement, the backlash he would have been receiving would have also been relentless. But I think that there is so much value in being able to say I see that this person is a good person for X y Z reasons, but their values do not align with my own values. And I think it's important to acknowledge that because we do sometimes live in a society that tells us that you cannot be friends with people who don't have the same political views with you, or you cannot be friends with people do XYZ because they're anti feminist, or they're racist or their sexist. And we can be very black and white with how we approach these sorts of conversations, and even with askun Kat, we get so many people who write in and ask, like, oh, my boyfriend or my girlfriend believes this is that a massive red flag because I have very different views to them, and I think It's tricky to give like a very black and white answer to this, because I think sometimes it can be a massive red flag. But in other situations, when it comes to friendships or relationships, people are not always entirely their political views or entirely their religious views. We're made up of many parts of ourselves, and so I guess it comes down to a big question around how much it affects your friendship the views in which you're you know, the person that you're having a relationship holds, but also how much you care about those values as to whether you can navigate a friendship or co working alongside that person or still have respect for that person if they have alternate views to you.

Literally, once it moved beyond my network, I realized how much hate I was receiving for something that was criticizing his views and criticizing his values. I mean, I think about what Travis Kelsey's come out and said, and he's obviously got to work alongside Harrison. He has to have an amicable team environment alongside Harrison, and I think that there is value in him saying because he would have been forced to make a public statement, the backlash he would have been receiving would have also been relentless. But I think that there is so much value in being able to say I see that this person is a good person for X y Z reasons, but their values do not align with my own values. And I think it's important to acknowledge that because we do sometimes live in a society that tells us that you cannot be friends with people who don't have the same political views with you, or you cannot be friends with people do XYZ because they're anti feminist, or they're racist or their sexist. And we can be very black and white with how we approach these sorts of conversations, and even with askun Kat, we get so many people who write in and ask, like, oh, my boyfriend or my girlfriend believes this is that a massive red flag because I have very different views to them, and I think It's tricky to give like a very black and white answer to this, because I think sometimes it can be a massive red flag. But in other situations, when it comes to friendships or relationships, people are not always entirely their political views or entirely their religious views. We're made up of many parts of ourselves, and so I guess it comes down to a big question around how much it affects your friendship the views in which you're you know, the person that you're having a relationship holds, but also how much you care about those values as to whether you can navigate a friendship or co working alongside that person or still have respect for that person if they have alternate views to you.

I can't stress enough how much I think it is so important for people to have their own ideas and their own opinions. Otherwise we live in a world of sickopans and an echo chamber where everyone agrees with everyone. There's no conversation, there's no learning, there's no progression, there's no change, there's no challenging and no debate one hundred percent. The byproduct of debate and challenging people is learning. And you do have to be as a person I believe open to having your opinion changed once you have all the information that you need about something to formulate an opinion. I think it's so important to have your view swayed if presented in the right way. I've changed my mind about things multiple times, and I think that you can have relationships with people where you differ in your religious views. I've had a relationship with somebody with a completely different religion, and it's fine as long as it doesn't become dangerous and damaging to those around you. Like this is where I think Harrison's speech goes wrong. His messaging, I believe, is fine. If you're just talking to your friends and you don't believe in contraception, fine, if you're not hurting anyone else whatever.

I can't stress enough how much I think it is so important for people to have their own ideas and their own opinions. Otherwise we live in a world of sickopans and an echo chamber where everyone agrees with everyone. There's no conversation, there's no learning, there's no progression, there's no change, there's no challenging and no debate one hundred percent. The byproduct of debate and challenging people is learning. And you do have to be as a person I believe open to having your opinion changed once you have all the information that you need about something to formulate an opinion. I think it's so important to have your view swayed if presented in the right way. I've changed my mind about things multiple times, and I think that you can have relationships with people where you differ in your religious views. I've had a relationship with somebody with a completely different religion, and it's fine as long as it doesn't become dangerous and damaging to those around you. Like this is where I think Harrison's speech goes wrong. His messaging, I believe, is fine. If you're just talking to your friends and you don't believe in contraception, fine, if you're not hurting anyone else whatever.

You want to have your kids.

You want to have your kids.

Your wife wants to only stay at home and be a mother, If that's what she wants to do, that's incredible. If that's what everyone is choosing to do in that situation. But when you're given the influence and the platform that he is given. The Chiefs football team in America is like the Holy Grail.

Your wife wants to only stay at home and be a mother, If that's what she wants to do, that's incredible. If that's what everyone is choosing to do in that situation. But when you're given the influence and the platform that he is given. The Chiefs football team in America is like the Holy Grail.

It is like God.

It is like God.

People look at them for guidance, They look at them with respect, they look at them for inspiration. So when you have a platform that big and now your speech has gone around the world and it is damaging to people, you can help sway laws in states.

People look at them for guidance, They look at them with respect, they look at them for inspiration. So when you have a platform that big and now your speech has gone around the world and it is damaging to people, you can help sway laws in states.

In America with these speeches.

In America with these speeches.

This is for me where it's fundamentally wrong and where my non negotiables and my boundaries about whether I can maintain a friendship with someone, this is where it starts for me. And I think that's the question you need to ask when you're in a relationship with someone or you have a friendship group, what are your non negotiables that you know you will never ever sway on and that you will tolerate in a friendship.

This is for me where it's fundamentally wrong and where my non negotiables and my boundaries about whether I can maintain a friendship with someone, this is where it starts for me. And I think that's the question you need to ask when you're in a relationship with someone or you have a friendship group, what are your non negotiables that you know you will never ever sway on and that you will tolerate in a friendship.

And I think tolerate is the word here, I think.

And I think tolerate is the word here, I think.

And I don't want to just keep referring back to this Harrison speech because I think it's important for us to kind of like zoom out and look at it in terms of like how we navigate our friendships and our relationships and our own lives. But the only thing I want to say in defense to him, which is weird for me to be sitting here and to be kind of like, okay, playing the devil's advocate, because I don't agree with you know, I mean, it doesn't align with my values. But the context of which this speech was said in he has said it to people who share similar views and values to him, and at a Catholic college, and it's been reported that he received a standing ovation for that speech. So it's interesting when you take something out of context. So that's now made it onto social media, where those views and ideologies can be challenged by people who don't hold those values. But when you put it back into the context to which that speech was said, the people who it's being said to share similar ideas. And so yeah, that's why he was asked to give the speech totally, totally, and that's really important. I think that that context is so so important. The only thing that I think is also really I mean, it's not the only thing, but it is something I think is really belittling is part of that speech said that a woman's vocation being a wife and a mother, that's when a woman's life truly starts. And that's just so belittling, not even just to people who don't choose it, but to people who can't have children and can't you know, make those choices for themselves or never get married. It's like, does their life never start because they never ever reproduced. Obviously we have a lot of feelings about that. But I think going back to this idea of the people that you can and can't be friends with, this is a very privileged conversation for us to be able to even say can you or can't you be friends with people who share political views. And the thing is is that it really depends on how much those views affect your actual life. And what I mean by that is, and I heard this quote on an episode of The Hookup, the Triple J podcast. The Hookup, they said, don't fuck people who fuck you at the ballot box, And what they mean by that is, don't be in a relationship and have public sex. No, don't be in a relationship with somebody whose values are going to fuck your life. I mean, we're talking about this as women who have the choice to care about the things that we want to care about. But imagine if you are someone who is from the LGBTQI community, your very existence is political, and you're best friends with someone who votes against the gay plebiscite. It's like, I think that you would feel very differently around whether or not you could maintain a friendship with someone who had different political views, then if it was just with someone who has an alternate religious perspective, for example, I think that that's where it becomes more black and white to a lot of people. The other thing I wanted to say about this and I think sometimes we talk about like the left verse right, and we can only want to surround ourselves with people who have similar values to us. But one of the examples I think is really interesting is so, for example, say that you are only friends with people who are left wing, left minded, you see that as progressive, and you have a real disdain for anyone who maybe votes for a different political party to you, date won't be friends with people and kind of cut those people out of your life. We can kind of sometimes move into a situation where we go, okay, well the left is progressive and the right a sexist and racist and don't care about the environment, and we can really put people into silos. But what you don't start to unpack then is the nuance as to why people care and vote for the things that they care and vote for. So, for example, somebody who might be voting for a right winged party, they could have grown up with a farming family. They could have grown up with a working farming family whose very existence revolves around that type of infrastructure. That person's going to have a very different lived experience to someone who votes strongly for the Greens and as an environmentalist. But I think if we have a little bit more empathy and understanding for the reasons why people have the beliefs and have the ideologies that they have, it allows us to kind of meet in the middle with a place of empathy rather than creating this it's u verse us in the reasons why people choose to believe the things that they believe.

And I don't want to just keep referring back to this Harrison speech because I think it's important for us to kind of like zoom out and look at it in terms of like how we navigate our friendships and our relationships and our own lives. But the only thing I want to say in defense to him, which is weird for me to be sitting here and to be kind of like, okay, playing the devil's advocate, because I don't agree with you know, I mean, it doesn't align with my values. But the context of which this speech was said in he has said it to people who share similar views and values to him, and at a Catholic college, and it's been reported that he received a standing ovation for that speech. So it's interesting when you take something out of context. So that's now made it onto social media, where those views and ideologies can be challenged by people who don't hold those values. But when you put it back into the context to which that speech was said, the people who it's being said to share similar ideas. And so yeah, that's why he was asked to give the speech totally, totally, and that's really important. I think that that context is so so important. The only thing that I think is also really I mean, it's not the only thing, but it is something I think is really belittling is part of that speech said that a woman's vocation being a wife and a mother, that's when a woman's life truly starts. And that's just so belittling, not even just to people who don't choose it, but to people who can't have children and can't you know, make those choices for themselves or never get married. It's like, does their life never start because they never ever reproduced. Obviously we have a lot of feelings about that. But I think going back to this idea of the people that you can and can't be friends with, this is a very privileged conversation for us to be able to even say can you or can't you be friends with people who share political views. And the thing is is that it really depends on how much those views affect your actual life. And what I mean by that is, and I heard this quote on an episode of The Hookup, the Triple J podcast. The Hookup, they said, don't fuck people who fuck you at the ballot box, And what they mean by that is, don't be in a relationship and have public sex. No, don't be in a relationship with somebody whose values are going to fuck your life. I mean, we're talking about this as women who have the choice to care about the things that we want to care about. But imagine if you are someone who is from the LGBTQI community, your very existence is political, and you're best friends with someone who votes against the gay plebiscite. It's like, I think that you would feel very differently around whether or not you could maintain a friendship with someone who had different political views, then if it was just with someone who has an alternate religious perspective, for example, I think that that's where it becomes more black and white to a lot of people. The other thing I wanted to say about this and I think sometimes we talk about like the left verse right, and we can only want to surround ourselves with people who have similar values to us. But one of the examples I think is really interesting is so, for example, say that you are only friends with people who are left wing, left minded, you see that as progressive, and you have a real disdain for anyone who maybe votes for a different political party to you, date won't be friends with people and kind of cut those people out of your life. We can kind of sometimes move into a situation where we go, okay, well the left is progressive and the right a sexist and racist and don't care about the environment, and we can really put people into silos. But what you don't start to unpack then is the nuance as to why people care and vote for the things that they care and vote for. So, for example, somebody who might be voting for a right winged party, they could have grown up with a farming family. They could have grown up with a working farming family whose very existence revolves around that type of infrastructure. That person's going to have a very different lived experience to someone who votes strongly for the Greens and as an environmentalist. But I think if we have a little bit more empathy and understanding for the reasons why people have the beliefs and have the ideologies that they have, it allows us to kind of meet in the middle with a place of empathy rather than creating this it's u verse us in the reasons why people choose to believe the things that they believe.

Every person should have.

Every person should have.

I believe their own non negotiables that they know that they're not okay to bend in a relationship, and that's romantic and friendships and like, just as an example for me, mine for both friendships and relationships is gay marriage and the right to gay marriage. If you believe two people shouldn't be together because they are the same sex, for me, I can't get my head around that. And I will listen to your understanding, Like maybe you've come from a very religious background, but I don't have to be okay with it, and I think that's an example of drawing a line in the sand, saying I have too many people in my life that that affects that I wouldn't be able to happily stay in a relationship with someone that truly believes two people in love can't spend their life together.

I believe their own non negotiables that they know that they're not okay to bend in a relationship, and that's romantic and friendships and like, just as an example for me, mine for both friendships and relationships is gay marriage and the right to gay marriage. If you believe two people shouldn't be together because they are the same sex, for me, I can't get my head around that. And I will listen to your understanding, Like maybe you've come from a very religious background, but I don't have to be okay with it, and I think that's an example of drawing a line in the sand, saying I have too many people in my life that that affects that I wouldn't be able to happily stay in a relationship with someone that truly believes two people in love can't spend their life together.

Yeah, and I think everyone has those non negotiables. But I think it's too simple for us to sit here and say, yes, you absolutely can be friends with people who have different views, and know you can't because it is so dependent on what those views are, and it is so dependent on how those views directly affect your life when it comes to religious beliefs. That for me, and I know that there are people who navigate it and have successful romantic relationships, but I think that that is a very challenging one to overcome. And the reason why I say that is because somebody has to compromise in that situation. There's this saying that you shouldn't be with someone who you are unequally yoked to.

Yeah, and I think everyone has those non negotiables. But I think it's too simple for us to sit here and say, yes, you absolutely can be friends with people who have different views, and know you can't because it is so dependent on what those views are, and it is so dependent on how those views directly affect your life when it comes to religious beliefs. That for me, and I know that there are people who navigate it and have successful romantic relationships, but I think that that is a very challenging one to overcome. And the reason why I say that is because somebody has to compromise in that situation. There's this saying that you shouldn't be with someone who you are unequally yoked to.

I think this is more pertains to Christianity.

I think this is more pertains to Christianity.

But if you are Christian, being with someone who doesn't hold the same ideas as you, the same belief systems as you at the same level at the same level, and that doesn't have the same relationship with God. What that means is that it will impact your ability to be able to perform your duty to God in a way that is required of you. So it's like they are not a good relationship and a good fit because as much as you can respect someone's alternate values, those values will directly impact your ability to maintain and uphold your values because you're supposed to be in a relationship together. So I do think that there are many instances where differing views make it impossible to maintain and have the intensity of some relationships. That it doesn't mean you can't be friends with these people. And I think sometimes the best place of learning comes from being friends with people who have different views with you, because you get into really good debates and it either reinforces the reasons why you believe the things that you believe, or it challenges the way that you believe things and the reason why you believe things. And so I like myself. I have many friends who I would say I like them as a person, but I do not share the same beliefs as them. But we have some of the most interesting conversations because of that very reason, and the debates of fierce, but they're done in a way that's respectful, and even though we walk away from those debates not agreeing with each other, I do feel like I learned things which challenge me a little bit around why I feel the way I feel.

But if you are Christian, being with someone who doesn't hold the same ideas as you, the same belief systems as you at the same level at the same level, and that doesn't have the same relationship with God. What that means is that it will impact your ability to be able to perform your duty to God in a way that is required of you. So it's like they are not a good relationship and a good fit because as much as you can respect someone's alternate values, those values will directly impact your ability to maintain and uphold your values because you're supposed to be in a relationship together. So I do think that there are many instances where differing views make it impossible to maintain and have the intensity of some relationships. That it doesn't mean you can't be friends with these people. And I think sometimes the best place of learning comes from being friends with people who have different views with you, because you get into really good debates and it either reinforces the reasons why you believe the things that you believe, or it challenges the way that you believe things and the reason why you believe things. And so I like myself. I have many friends who I would say I like them as a person, but I do not share the same beliefs as them. But we have some of the most interesting conversations because of that very reason, and the debates of fierce, but they're done in a way that's respectful, and even though we walk away from those debates not agreeing with each other, I do feel like I learned things which challenge me a little bit around why I feel the way I feel.

I dated someone for a few years that was Muslim and I am not religious at all. The reason that was fine was because for him, his level of intensity. There were some differing views, but his level of intensity was just.

I dated someone for a few years that was Muslim and I am not religious at all. The reason that was fine was because for him, his level of intensity. There were some differing views, but his level of intensity was just.

At the fact that he believed in the foundation of love and kindness, like that is a key part of the Muslim religion. Then obviously, depending on what intensity you are with your religion, it goes into a whole lot of other stuff. That is something that we had to discover at the start of the relationship. Are we going to be able to work around that? Is he going to want my children to grow up in his religion? Like these are the things that you need to ask yourself before you get into a series relationship with someone. My brother in law, Jay is seek and my sister is not. But that's fine and it works because he's not really practicing like he believes in it. But it's you know, they had an Indian seek wedding, they also had an Australian wedding. Like they have learned to meet halfway the compromises. That's why their relationship works. So I think that absolutely relationships can work when you have different views as long as together combined, you understand where each other are coming from and it's agreeable.

At the fact that he believed in the foundation of love and kindness, like that is a key part of the Muslim religion. Then obviously, depending on what intensity you are with your religion, it goes into a whole lot of other stuff. That is something that we had to discover at the start of the relationship. Are we going to be able to work around that? Is he going to want my children to grow up in his religion? Like these are the things that you need to ask yourself before you get into a series relationship with someone. My brother in law, Jay is seek and my sister is not. But that's fine and it works because he's not really practicing like he believes in it. But it's you know, they had an Indian seek wedding, they also had an Australian wedding. Like they have learned to meet halfway the compromises. That's why their relationship works. So I think that absolutely relationships can work when you have different views as long as together combined, you understand where each other are coming from and it's agreeable.

I would say though, that there'd be so many people listening to this who have had very heated disagreements with their partners around conflicting views.

I would say though, that there'd be so many people listening to this who have had very heated disagreements with their partners around conflicting views.

Oh yeah, and often.

Oh yeah, and often.

I mean it's very easy to say, oh, I would never date someone who's got different political views to me. But how often are you sitting down on a very first date and going cool, what are your beliefs in this, this, this, and this? Often you'll catch feelings before you fully understand where people sit in terms of yeah, in terms of what they believe in, how they think. And then it's not until a big thing happens, whether it's reflected in society, whether there's a speech that goes viral, that you actually sit down with your partner and have a bit of a debate or an argibargie around what they think and how they feel And often that's when you realize, oh my god, fuck, I'm dating someone who thinks XYZ and I guess it's then navigating how important those views are to them and how they respond to you not sharing the same feelings, because some people can get really defensive and some people can become very belittling in how they communicate the things that they think and how they feel.

I mean it's very easy to say, oh, I would never date someone who's got different political views to me. But how often are you sitting down on a very first date and going cool, what are your beliefs in this, this, this, and this? Often you'll catch feelings before you fully understand where people sit in terms of yeah, in terms of what they believe in, how they think. And then it's not until a big thing happens, whether it's reflected in society, whether there's a speech that goes viral, that you actually sit down with your partner and have a bit of a debate or an argibargie around what they think and how they feel And often that's when you realize, oh my god, fuck, I'm dating someone who thinks XYZ and I guess it's then navigating how important those views are to them and how they respond to you not sharing the same feelings, because some people can get really defensive and some people can become very belittling in how they communicate the things that they think and how they feel.

Do you think, Laura, social media has made it easier or harder to maintain a relationship with someone of different views and balances.

Do you think, Laura, social media has made it easier or harder to maintain a relationship with someone of different views and balances.

Absolutely. And I say this because I have people who are on my social media who I am. You know, they're either acquaintances or I'm friends with or there've been people who've been part of my life for like twenty years. I'm not going to just cut them out, but they share radically different political views to me. And I've had people contact me, like strangers contact me and say, how the fuck can.

Absolutely. And I say this because I have people who are on my social media who I am. You know, they're either acquaintances or I'm friends with or there've been people who've been part of my life for like twenty years. I'm not going to just cut them out, but they share radically different political views to me. And I've had people contact me, like strangers contact me and say, how the fuck can.

You be friends with this person? I'm like, who whoa whoa whoa whoah?

You be friends with this person? I'm like, who whoa whoa whoa whoah?

Firstly, friends, You've really managed to reduce a lot from just knowing that I follow someone. But just because I have someone in my orbit doesn't mean I believe their political stances. Doesn't mean that I agree with the things they say, and I think sometimes we can draw a lot of conclusions. But I do think that there are people out there who have led us to believe that if somebody believes in something different to you, that you should cut them out of your life.

Firstly, friends, You've really managed to reduce a lot from just knowing that I follow someone. But just because I have someone in my orbit doesn't mean I believe their political stances. Doesn't mean that I agree with the things they say, and I think sometimes we can draw a lot of conclusions. But I do think that there are people out there who have led us to believe that if somebody believes in something different to you, that you should cut them out of your life.

Yeah, you what a boring life if we did that.

Yeah, you what a boring life if we did that.

Of course you can, of course, you can have your own opinions, and you can go against the grain or go against their opinion. You can have an argument or a debate with them. You don't have to cut someone out of your life for one different interview. You don't have to cancel someone online because you don't agree with one thing they've said.

Of course you can, of course, you can have your own opinions, and you can go against the grain or go against their opinion. You can have an argument or a debate with them. You don't have to cut someone out of your life for one different interview. You don't have to cancel someone online because you don't agree with one thing they've said.

I mean, you know, look, and there might be some things in your life that are the non negotiables that mean you do have to cut someone out. I understand that that that bar is going to sit differently for each person, but it does make me come back to a conversation we had so long ago, and I remember a review that was written. I was talking about my grandparents, my papa's he's passed away now, my grandma is very elderly and has dementia. And I said, you know, they would say things back when I was in my twenties that I did not agree with. They voted for Pauline Hanson. I deeply did not agree with them, and this is not me making an excuse for them, but they grew up in a time that was very different to me, and they have very different political social views. My grandfather was an immigrant as well. He immigrated from Italy and was absolutely bullied for being a quote unquote wog. Yet he still supported Pauline Hanson, which to me sounds crazy, but it's because it's almost like he felt like he earned his right to be in this country. And so I know, guys, I'm saying, I'm explaining how my now dead ninety something your r grandfather felt about it. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I remember having this conversation on the podcast and saying that I gave him more grace than what I would someone who's my age. And that's because one, he's my papa, and I didn't want to cut him out of my life because he was like my dad. And two because even though he believed something doesn't mean I have to. And I remember this review where someone was like Laura's making excuses for racists, and I was like, wow, No, what I'm doing is just trying to have empathy for someone who I love, who I don't want to cut out of my life.