Let's Be Clear with Shannen DohertyThis week we connect with Shannen's mom and her bestie Chris Cortazzo. Chris shares a special moment he had with Shannen before her passing, and talks about still feeling her presence around him. Mama Rosa updates us on her good days and bad days in this emotional episode of Let's Be Clear.
This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dhorny. Hi, everybody. I'm so excited to be back with you on Let's Be Clear. And today I have a very special guest, so I'm going to introduce you too. But first I just want to let you know that what we want to do like today, and what I would like to do is always share stories about Shannon. We'll pick and choose. There's some things that I'm sure she would prefer to keep private, but we're gonna be on here to share stories about her so that you even see a more integral part of who she was. And I hope you all enjoy it. And today I'm going to this is Chris. You've met him before on the podcastcast with Shannon, and I'm so excited to have him here because he's part of our family. And that's another thing. We were very fortunate, Shannon and myself that we came out here and we don't have any of our family out here. So as she grew up out here and then I was here, I would bring my friends to her, she would bring her friends to me and to her dad, and we created a family here and now we have this tight family group here that is support. It was support for her, support for me when her dad was alive, it was support for him. And so this is Chris Cortazzo. You all know Chris from seeing him before on the podcast, and if you knew one little bit about Shannon at all, you know how important Chris is to Shannon.
It's just but I love the way we're still talking present.
Yes, I can't help. He's with me all the time.
It's so weird because my housekeeper today, she goes this swetter is this yours? It was Shannon's. She left it on the plane and it's just yummy cashmir sweater. And you know, it was so And I was bragging about Shannon because I was just in Europe and her fashion sense. She had the best style, Like I was telling to Richard and James, she had the best fashion style.
Yeah. And if I wasn't here, if I was like in my place, my other place, I'm like, I have two because she kept me over here a lot in Malibu. But she would text me and she would take pictures and she said, I'm going to Nobu denight or wherever she was going. What do you think about this outfit and everything that she put together just worked. Or if I was here, it would be like a fashion show before she would go to dinner because she wanted to look nice and she just wanted that opinion. And then it was really funny because then she would make me do the same thing. If I was going somewhere, She's like, if you hurry up, I'll do your makeup and then show me what you're going to wear.
Is just and I had to confront That was one of my toughest confrontations. Or just to go to Paris, because Paris was us. We always went to Paris, and I revisited a hotel Costs for dinner by myself. I did a toast to her, and then we went to our favorite hotel, Hotel I could say it now, Hotel Lancaster, and we loved Hotel Lancaster. And I just confronted it, and I could feel her presence. And one morning I walked I got up so early because I was thinking of her, and I walked in the Left Bank and we were I was walking through the streets at like seven o'clock in the morning, and I turned the corner and I just get chill saying it, and the wind just went and she was like, baby, I am here with you, and it was so brilliant.
And then there was the whale in Canada.
I haven't shared this with anyone yet. It was yeah, I said to Sham And after she just left her body the night before, I said, Shannon, and it was such a rough day for us. All I said, Shannon, come to me as a whale. If you come to me as a whale, I know you're there and you'll be with Mama Rosa and myself. And I was on this lower ledge at our place on Quadra Island and all of a sudden he hit us and there's such a drop off near the shelf of our cabin. It was fifteen feet off the shore and this monstrous it wasn't a gray whale, it was a humpback whale came and yellow. My son, Yeah, bolted because the sound is so intense. And then came up and then she, Shannon came up with this big flute. Shannon's the whale now, and then waved goodbye and then took off and I was like, baby, you're there, You're there.
I feel her all around me and when I'm in the garden, which she absolutely loved, it's it's incredible. So it we just feel her all the time and the love that she gave to us. I mean, we all had our moments, you know, and she could be a tough cookie, but but you know she would always like if any little thing and then I know with me, it was like we might like disagree on something. I have moments and I'm like, Okay, well I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go back over to my place or I'm gonna go downstairs right now, and and uh, after a while, I would either get a little text or she would like she would just come to me and she would just hug me. And when Shannon hugged you, you knew you had been you were being loved, you were being and she she was wonderful. And so it's like I still feel that sometimes. It's like I'll think about certain moments that we went through and then in my head I will see that that confrontation and then the loving result of that confrontation, and it's a beautiful thing that you have those memories and those feelings that just are there every every day. And I still like, well, something exciting will happen or even even maybe it's something like the dishwasher the other day broke and I went to tell her, Shannon, the dishwasher is broken, and she wasn't there. So it's it's just one of those things that I think most people experience when you truly lose a loved one. It was that way with my husband. So she's all around us, and I know that all you guys, you all have lots of hugs. I met a lot of you at conventions. I've been to many conventions with her, and I know that you're all phenomenal fans. I know that you loved her. I know that you know she would get up and hug you, and all those hugs were real, and she appreciated each and every one of you and everything that you you brought to her, because you did. You brought to her, You brought the appreciation of her lifetime work. And that the love that she extended to her fans.
It's and she loved her fans. She did, like you said, she loved and appreciated her fans. And there was always like once a week we had date night and we did either go to Nobu Lucky's or Jojio Obaldi's and there was one really special night where we're sitting in Nobu and I could see this mother and daughter and they looked over at us a few times. Everyone look at Shannon to be real to always. But anyway, they finally got the courage and the mother came up and said, this must be a sign. I just told my daughter that I had breast cancer and the fact that you're here being so much to me Shannon, and Shannon was so lovely and so gracious and hugged them into pictures. But you know where every word she is like a lifetime achievement of her work and what she accomplished. We would take boat trips every summer to Greece, and there was a I was.
Too afraid to go because I was I'm afraid of that.
That's a different story. Yeah, that will lead into.
But talking about to Greece at that time, I've got time.
But then you got over your fear. And it was the smallest little island and there's an eighty something year old man and he goes Shannon Doherty. Shannon Doherty. But her fame was everywhere and she I was just so proud of her as a friend. She was extraordinary and yeah, she just she had so much love to give. It was such an inspiration to watch. And I never really watched a lot of her work before.
Now it's everywhere now now TV. It's like I turn on the TV and there she is, and.
She showed me one episode and maybe I'll put it on Instagram. I had to find it, and she had a New York accent. She was like at a diner. Yeah, and she's we're taking off on our plane and we she played it for me and I go, Chamon, you're so good. You're such a great actress. And she looked at me and you could tell how happy that she was.
You appreciate it.
I just appreciated her talent. I was like, babe, you're amazing. And then we try to watch Heathers and we fell asleep. That was that was our one figure of watching. But now you know, it's everywhere on the Instagram and I'm watching all these clips of her and I'm just like, I just wish we could talk a little bit more about that. But I do say, I go, babe, you're so great. Yes.
The other night I turned on and it was a burning passion in Margaret Mitchell's story. Margaret Mitchell were going with the Wind, and Shannon played Margaret Mitchell and it was shot in Bright School Beach, I think, South Carolina.
She loved it.
She had her dog at the time. Her dog was Elfy. She had Elfie with her, and they gave her a beautiful home to say it, and gave her a motor boat and an inner tube, and Elfie would get on the very top of the boat and then Shannon would be in the inner tube out in the water, and then somebody would be driving the boat. Usually it was who she had been with for seven years. But to hear her do this, I mean, I grew up in the South. I mean she was born in Tennessee and we left there when she was going in the first grade. But like, it was amazing to me because I'm like, Shannon was never one that was like, will you run lines with me? Will you do this? She read a script and she knew it, and she pinned down her character and everything you saw was Shannon. She developed it all herself. And so I'm watching this, of course I watched it, you know originally, But to sit there in my room alone, which is my little dog, and this comes on and I'm watching it and just even gave me, as her mom, even a greater appreciation of what she was able to do.
What a talent, Yeah, what a talent.
Should we go back to our boat trip, our Malibu Crosia.
Group, Yes, so Mama Rosa, myself and Shannon and a couple of other friends.
Uh it eventually meet.
Yes, it was on her bucket list that we would go to Croatia and rent this big, beautiful yacht. So we did four stories, right, yeah, four stories and it was just perfection.
And I was scared of this.
I know you weren't.
I don't like being on the water, and it freaked me out.
And Mama Rosa brought probably eighty five coordinated, perfect outfits.
That was Shannon's doing, she was I think it was all trying to get me.
Dinner and maybe a cocktail attire. And we were on this boat. And when you're on the boat, you literally where your pajamas were, swimming in pajamas, the most casual you probably wore. I don't see six outfits the whole time.
I broke my ribs and it was hard to get in and out of so much stuff I wore as little and as loose as I could.
But that was now you are your yaughterer officially.
Well, when you're on that is it the A, G and C. When you're on A G and C, it's very calm. It's not like you're out in the Pacific. I know a woman who is in Malibu who is a major sailing, major, sportswoman, all of this stuff, not afraid of anything, and she said the last place she wants to be is out on the Pacific Ocean.
Well, one time Shannon and I went from Bowdrum to Greece through the islands, and there was one night it was so rough we were literally all flying in the air and then landing. I have never experienced seas like that, and Shannon slept the whole way through and on the boat. If you know anything about Shannon, she has to have her room subarctic. Yeah, and it was. They would I think it was sixty two degrees and so I'd call my nickname for her was little Bear because she would go in and hibernate in her room and she would she's so relaxed on the CD and she loved it. Oh my gosh, have we had such fun journeys. And Mama Rosa we have to post some of her pictures of or maybe some videos as well of us.
To it. Yeah, there's some really go to and see what we can share.
The PG version.
But we were pretty good.
We were great. But gosh, what a fun trip. When you looked at Shannon's eyes and her facial features, she was one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. And every time we go out to dinner, she would give me that luck because I'd be looking at her in an interesting way and I go, Shannon, you are the most beautiful woman in the world. And you could just see how it just touched her heart. But I said, it was such sincerity. Her face, it just everything about her was gorgeous, like beyond beyond gorgeous. That was just those eyes were like cats, those gorgeous green and the shape of them. But you know, you being Native American, was that your side or to my side? You had the highest cheek bones.
One of my I don't know which grade it was, but one of my great grandmothers had been taken from Mississippi be to Oklahoma, walking from Mississippi to Oklahoma in the Trail of Tears, so the whole Indian heritage to Shannon was very, very important, and she swore when she bought this property, it just she felt something with this property and she just was here and she says, I just feel it. She says, I know that this is where I'm supposed to be. And she just felt that whole Indian.
It's the Tchumash Indians that were in residence here, but.
Then what we were chucked out. But I mean, yeah, she just felt like the whole Indian.
Yeah. Yeah, And that's why I think she loved our ranch property so much, because they were in that valley and that's where we had so many We shared, Chen and I shared on our other podcast how special it was to be there and that was a healing time for you and Shannon, my husbands away. Yeah, you guys went up there. I remember she told us to on the podcast that she the wind came and she said, and Tom said, I'll be okay. Yeah, amazing.
And dragonflies, I mean when she one of the ceremonies that she was in, we won't mention which one, but she was walking and a dragonfly lit on the back of her dress and I was walking next to her, and from that moment on, I mean, and we were said one day after her dad had passed away. We're sitting on the steps at the ranch and this dragonfly just came and sat on her shoulder, and it's just like every time, you know, it's just I don't know. She just felt like that was her a symbol of her dad, you know, not this, but it was just a symbol of her dad. It just gave her like a quiet peace.
So great. And the ranch unfortunately burned down, but we're building it, aren't we. Rosa yes, and it's going to be a new version, a new improved version, which is going to be so fun. One thing I think we should talk about is all of Shannon's dreams.
You have to be careful now, streams you share. Oh I'm so okay, dreams, dreams like careful.
Talking about No. We we bought this beautiful farm called the one hundred Acre Woods from the Winnie Depoo. It's actually one hundred and fifty acres and there was sixty flat acres and there's two separate pastures and then it backs. There's a stream that goes through it and you drive over a bridge and a waterfall and then the main house is there. And we had all these homes that we're going to be building and Mama Rosa and Shannon we're going to be building something on the back.
Forty and she picked out and everybody's like, she's.
The best location. Of course it's Shannon. So she picked out the best location. And she had designed a structure for you and for Shannon and the combined is it living room, kitchen.
It was almost like, okay, she said, First off, she said, it's got to be dune put up by United Steel because you do have tornadoes there and we have a studio. Studio here was put up by United Steel. And she said, then we can wrap it in whatever we want, but we know it's strong. And so she said, we're going to have like a main house and then on each end we will have apartments, her apartment, my apartment, and when we want to have people over and everything, or we want to get where we can cook and do and everything in the main center of the of the structure. And then when we're just like because she has somebody personal coming over and I just want to spend time together, it's like they're in her spot, I'm in my spot. And then we were but the whole thing was then to build a barn, and she wanted to like bring some the rescue horses up, and she wanted to be sure that this is children and yellow Anna Moray learned how to ride. She wanted very much for them.
To insist, yes, insisting on that. We're still going to build that structure for you and for Shannon, and that's going to go up. And during that process where this is all being built, all of us we're going to live long enough room you'll be living. I'm not letting you go nowhere. But we were going to go to Italy for two years, and we were debating between Rome and then are outside of Florence. We're going to get a big family villa with all these cottages. And one thing I loved about Shannon is that she would do all the research so I could just go up, we can make the decision. She would pick out the five best things and then we'd show up and make our move. But we were going to do that for a couple of years. Have the children learn Italian, and well, we just all wanted to be together. And we're still going to be together, Mama Rosa. We have a lot of living to do. But yeah, we had a lot of dreams right, and her bucket list.
The last thing we were doing well. She and I had a trip planned together to Scotland because on my dad's side, my grandfather is Scottish and we'd already been to Ireland because on his side, my grandmother's from Ireland. And so Shannon said, you know, when we went to Ireland, we didn't have time to go to Scotland, so we always planned to go back. And this was like the next trip was like, she says, you and I are going to Scotland and we're going to Sardinia. Our Malibu group is going to Sardinia. There's seven of us, including Shannon and myself. There were seven of us all together. And that was what she wanted to go to Sardinia and have.
The mama's teacher's cooking. It's so fun. Yeah, and Shannon was an amazing shot. Oh what about every Sunday night, That's what I was going to bring up so sweet. Yeah, every Sunday night we had La Familia night. And Shannon would spend days making the tomato sauce for my mother and a yellow and amida, and she would make the dough days before and we'd have the most delicious feast and they would and Yellow and Shannon and AMREI would dance. We had to. There's some fun videos.
Of all that, one where they're just like, yeah, they're just like dancing, they're running, they're running around. It's like she was like a kid herself, and she loved that kind of thing. She loves. She loved it, she loved it. There would be it's like there would be times she loved like music and I have always loved music, and we would just be everything would be quiet, come we would just be we usually just we were sitting doing whatever, and suddenly the music would come on and she would get up and the next thing I knew, she would grab me and we would be we would be dancing and she says, come on, Mom, you can do this. You can do this, and I'm like okay. And then sometimes we would go outside on the patio and we would be the music blasting and just dancing and having the best time. And she loved to do that. And then our other thing to do and it was just the two of us together. I would be like we would fix dinner. Sometimes we fix dinner together. Sometimes she'd be like, no, I'm fixing dinner tonight. And then other times we'd just order in, but should we get dinner? Whatever it's done, dinner's all ready to go, and so she said, okay, grab your plate, and she'd head into the the library with the TV and she'd said, come on, come on, family food is starting. We loved family food. We played family Feud. There's two of us would sit on the sofa and play family Food and we would laugh and it's like the contestants were great, the host was great, and we just wed. It was just one of the most memoral times I have, just sitting on the sofa with Shannon playing family Feud.
So fine, and her mind was so sharp.
Oh my gosh, she was so smart. It was scary. And from from she came out of the wound smart.
What was she like as a baby. Did she have a formed, very strong personality?
She was. She was very she was excellent. But both my kids, I have to say, you know, with Sean too, my son, was that they were both very very good babies, very easy. But Shannon would be She's always been more of a late night person, where my son has been an early night person. Sean would go to bed at eight o'clock and then be up at five o'clock in the morning all the way through high school. That was him Shannon. As a baby, I would put her in a room, she would be in her crib. I would go in. I could go in at two o'clock in the morning and she'd just be sitting in her room, just like in her bed, doing whatever, just like singing, humming whatever. She was always just very content and like she could entertain herself. And I always wondered what is going on in her head? And it being a baby. Artie scripts early and she was walking at eight and a half months, so it was like she was independent. Sean was walking in eight months. I mean they were both very independent, but yet very very affectionate, loving, and they loved each other and they had each other's backs. And I think when Channel was about twelve, I took Seawann aside and I'm like, I know, you love your sister so much, and I know you know he always felt like, you know, God sent me a sister, and that always excited him. And I said, you can always watch out for her, but you can't, like you got to back up just a little bit, back off, just a little bit and that's how they were. They were very very close and they protected each other dearly.
Well, what, you guys are such a close family?
Yes, we were, Yeah, and we had to be when you get a member of your family, which my husband became like it was more like when we moved out here and we didn't really have family here or anything, and he was having major health issues and had him for many years, and so we all just you just family closes in and you protect one another and that's what you do, and you help each other and you get through the hard times and you enjoy the good times. And that's just what we always did. And she would have us come to set, and sometimes if they hadn't seen us on set for a while, we'd get a phone call from somebody on the crew or something saying, hey, where are you where? What are you and Dad doing? We haven't seen you in a while. Why aren't you here? Are you coming tomorrow? When are you coming? Come tomorrow? We're gonna you know, and we would go. But even when she was with her friends, they would go bowling at this deli in Studio City, and they would be they would have like midnight bowling and Tom and I would already be in bed and we'd get this phone call, Hey, what are you and dad doing. I'm like, we're in bed, we're sleeping. Come on, get up and come. We're bowling. We're waiting for you. Guys. We would get up and get dressed and go. Because when your children want to keep you in their lives like that, you do it. And all her friends have always known. They know now, you know, even at the ages they are now. If you need something, if you need a ride, you call, We'll get you.
So my parents said the same thing.
Yeah, it's important. That's what you do for one another if you love each other. That's part of that love.
As I said before too, is that I think Shannon and I's bond and respect for each other was how much we loved our family and how we always stuck by our family, and then, as we were saying earlier, we became each other's family, and it was just it's been a really beautiful, fun journey.
Yes, yeah, and.
So many memories to go.
Yeah, we're gonna, like I share things with you guys. I hope you've enjoyed so far what we've shared. And I also like, I know that Shannon would a couple of times. I don't know how many times she did. She took questions from everybody and then she would answer the questions if if any of you decide you want to do that, and and uh it works out. I'm like, I more than happy to take questions. Some questions I might choose not to answer. Some I will answer, but I'm open to that because I know that she enjoyed. She enjoyed that, and it gets you to know her better and her to know you better the questions that you're throwing up.
And I think she liked a lot of the questions and answers at her conventions. And the last one she went out, she said it was one of the most interesting ones.
Mm.
She really enjoyed it.
Yeah, she did. It was interesting too because she got to know Rose better. And I hope to have Rose on with me at some point because I've never met Rose. And when Shannon came back and told me, like the first time that she and Rose kind of actually met and got together, and she's she said, I have actually found Rose very interesting. She says, I'd like for you to meet her mom and see what you think. And so I hope to do that. And I felt, what better place to do it than here on the podcast where Shannon would would be and just see what comes out of it. I I you know, I think she probably still has a lot to say and I have a lot to say, and it would just be interesting in the conversation and things between the two of us.
I think there was a lot of clarity that came out, which was good and I'm glad they had that experience together. Yeah, because she said the same thing to me. Yeah.
I watched Brian has a Pot. Brian's another one that I hope someday that like, I can have Brian on because I've known Brian for a long time and I love Brian and his wife Sewna, and then they have the baby now and I just Brian has his podcast. And I watched Brian's podcast the other night and it was very interesting. He was It's Brian, I think it was Brian, Shawna, his wife, and Randy Randy spelling, and it was really cute. But for me, I thought it was cute because Brandy talked about when he was twelve years old and met Shannon and he had this mad crush on Shannon. Now min Shannon's shared with me when she first met Randy, and they're at the Spelling mansion, which is like sixty something thousand square feet, you know this place, And I never got to go there. My husband went there, and he would go there and they would take him in the kitchen and fix him lunch or whatever. But she said that, she said we used to play hide and seek in the mansion. She said it was phenomenal, so we could we could get in all these clausets and these cupboards and these cabinets that you wouldn't even know were cabinets, and she says, and Randy would hide and Tory would hide, and I go look for and we'd switch up. And she loved that plane. She talked about playing hide and seek with Randy and Tory in the mansion.
Got the memories. Yeah, such great movies.
We're very fortunate that we have all this. And it's like it brings happiness, but it also brings like it's like I can at any moment like just like burst out because it's like it's such a loss. It's such a loss. And you know, I've said it before. Parents should never go you know, lasts longer than a child. A child should never go before parent, and it's things we have no control. Love, my faith just tells me it's all in God's hands. And that's how she Annon felt, and that's how she left felt. That's how she lived her life. It's like, you know, and I was like, aren't you afraid to do this? She said, I say, whatever is meant to happen is going to happen. I just have to be smart and take the precautions that I need to take, and then it's in God's hands. And that's how she lived her life. And with cancer, I mean, she fought this battle and she thought it so hard, and and she bought it so much of that was with her faith. She says, I just have to faith that I'm doing what I need to do, and that's she says, that's all I can do. She says, I'm doing everything I can do, and I just have to you know, whatever happens is in God's hands.
She was such a warrior through it all though, Rosa, because she thought so hard. In fact, I never thought she was going to go. I just I still can't believe it. But she never complained. She with the chemo and be so sick and she never she didn't want any sympathy from anyone.
She just.
I've never I've never seen anything like it in my entire life. She she was, she was a different breed. And she moved me.
Closer to her. She moved me into a room next to her, closer to her, and then eventually she's like one night she said, mam, will you I'm sleep with me, And that's when Bowie got put off the bed and we would we And that was that that was such a gift for me that I had all in those final weeks whatever. It's like I could lay there, I could hear her breathing, and I could feel her. It's like it was like it was a gift. It's like a gift she gave to me. Mama, you come sleep with me. It was the gift she gave to me.
And I just remember coming over and rubbing her and massaging her. But I still couldn't accept it. Yeah, it was the most bizarre thing, Mama, Rosa. I couldn't accept it.
And she didn't want you to see her being so.
Vulnerable and vulnerable, yeah, and sick.
And I came home one day and she said, Mom, hurry up, I'm like what I just I'm like, I'm going to go down and check on Indy my doll really quick, and then I'll come back up. No, no, like, what's the wonder is Chris is coming? Chris is coming? She says he's on. He stops on the door. She's so she just didn't want and I so Chris. I talked to Chris on the phone and I'm like, Okay, Yeah, here's what's gonna happen. Around six o'clock. You're gonna knock on the door and I'm going to be oh, I need to take Bowie out, and then Bowie will be barking because somebody's at the door, and then you come. Then you're just here there. Yep. That's the way it was.
But it was yeah, I was just life is full of journeys. I just not to be somber, but I just wanted us to live our lives together. We had so much to live for, so many plans, so many fun plans, and just gosh, but we're going to still do it. We're still family and we're going to make our problem. I do our best, one move at a.
Time, and you, as an audience, are going to get to meet the other people in her life, our family. It's interesting. When we first met Chris, we were looking for properties. She was looking for properties in Malibou and she said, you know, I want you and dad to go with me. I'm like, okay, And then I said, are we meeting? Where are we meeting the realtor? And she says, oh, you know, we're not getting in a car with somebody we don't know driving us around. She says, you know, but we're going to meet him wherever it was. And she says, and then we'll just stay in my car and then we'll follow him. That's what we did. And then when we got all done with the day and look, we the three of us got back into Shannon's car, and Mom and Shannon and I all looked at each other at the same time. I'm like, oh my goodness, this is the one. This is the one. I mean, he's good looking, he addresses well, he's like so well mannered. He's he's working, he seems to be good.
At his work.
He's just when is the last time we met somebody this age that's got everything together? And that was our first introduction to Chris.
And you know, it's interesting, and we were going to get together in a different form as best friends, and we wanted to get married on the Tennessee farm and lived this extraordinary life. But while she was in body, we definitely had an amazing journey. Yeah, amazing journey. And just as a friend, there was no one like Shannon mm hmm. You just felt so safe in her presence and you know that she would just she always had your back. I don't think she ever wanted me to be in a relationship with anyone because she didn't want to share meant to share me. No one would pass, No one would pass the situation. No, nope. But I think that went both ways.
Yes, you were always sticking on her to.
No one was good enough for Shannon except me.
Well and definitely.
Yes, that's on next level. Yeah mm hmm. You know, it's interesting when you have someone so beautiful and so successful that someone could attack someone's confidence.
And mistreat them so much.
Like horribly. And that's why when I would appreciate Shannon and her beauty and her talent and the talent that I never watched on TV.
That she probably that's a good thing too, because it kept your relationship on a whole different level.
Is such a yeah. Yeah, I mean she was Shannon to me, but not Shannon Dorty, but it was yeah, my god. In life, you just have to be careful with people who can go after your confidence and to try to make themselves better. So very interesting teaching for all of us.
Yep, and it's time for indies. Five o'clock Medison here.
Gosh. I just I just got back from Paris three nights ago. I got in at one o'clock in the morning, and I took an yellow for his birthday to Disneyland day, and I had one day to yesterday, and I'm looking at myself with you can see how tired. But Mama Rosa, you look so beautiful.
Oh, thank you, Chris.
And and I'm so impressed with you and your spirit. You could tell that you and Shannon are one because the inner strength of both of you is honorable and so commendable. And I'm just so impressed with you. I really am. You're just You're extraordinary, and you just put your foot in front of the other every day on the greatest loss that one could endure, and you are You're a champion for us all.
Thank you, my kind. I just when I hit a rough spot, and I do often, I just hear her voice and her tell me, Okay, Mom, you need to learn how to do this. You're going to have to take care of this. You're going to be And I'm like, no, no, no, It's like and I always said to her, this is going to be a Debbie Reyntals Carrie Fisher situation, you know, And she said, I'm like, yeah, I'm like when Carrie went, Debbie went the next morning, and I'm like, that's what's going to happen. She says, no, Mom, it's not. Because I'm going to will you to stay here and here I am and you're doing I'm trying. So bear with me, everybody, and I hope that I get to do more podcasts and all of you are going to watch and listen to our stories and Chris will be back of some time if I have anything.
To do with it, and we can answer more questions, and then I'll I will post more on Instagram so we could all live our amazing journey that we shared with the most incredible, talented, lovely human being that we all love so dearly.
So maybe I'll open my Instagram up. Shannon was always like, no, Mom, well that's what is it.
What are you going to do? It's gonna be Mama Rosa.
Yeah, I think it is already a mamabod. But there I discovered because I too. I went one time to see if there was anything on my Instagram and there's this. I see this very tanned, thick legs feet with this bright peak nail polish and I'm like, and it says Mama ros I'm like, that's not me. And then I think there's a real Italian Mama Rosa somewhere out there.
Okay, well there's on Instagram. We have to create another name.
Yes, I'm going to be the Mama Rosa. All right. Well, it's really great getting to spend time with all of you and stay with us, stay with us.
Love to you all, Thanks for loving Shannon.
Yes, absolutely love you.
Bye bye
