This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hey, everyone, welcome back to a new episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Boy, this is going to be a very fun episode because I have my twin, Jason Priestley with me.

This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hey, everyone, welcome back to a new episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Boy, this is going to be a very fun episode because I have my twin, Jason Priestley with me.

Hey, j.

Hey, j.

It's so funny. You're my twins.

It's so funny. You're my twins.

So great.

So great.

Yeah, I mean, is the show that just it doesn't die. It's like our you know, our legacy pretty much.

Yeah, I mean, is the show that just it doesn't die. It's like our you know, our legacy pretty much.

It is, it really is. It's it's remarkable how and I heard about this earlier this week that so many millennials and people like that discovered our show, and binge watched our show during the COVID lockdown because what else is there to do?

It is, it really is. It's it's remarkable how and I heard about this earlier this week that so many millennials and people like that discovered our show, and binge watched our show during the COVID lockdown because what else is there to do?

Right, Well, you it was either watching nine or to an hour or learn how to make sour dough bread. I did the latter, right, I did not get any from you, So I'm a little disappointed, you know what.

Right, Well, you it was either watching nine or to an hour or learn how to make sour dough bread. I did the latter, right, I did not get any from you, So I'm a little disappointed, you know what.

I'm sorry that, but I think we didn't want to drive all the way out to the to the motherland where you live. I know we were living, you know, we were living right in town. You were a long you're a long way out of town, am I.

I'm sorry that, but I think we didn't want to drive all the way out to the to the motherland where you live. I know we were living, you know, we were living right in town. You were a long you're a long way out of town, am I.

Yeah, it's pretty poor, I mean from you from where you are now. It's I think I'm only like thirty five minutes from you. Yeah, yeah, but if you try to drive to where I currently am, it's really long drive.

Yeah, it's pretty poor, I mean from you from where you are now. It's I think I'm only like thirty five minutes from you. Yeah, yeah, but if you try to drive to where I currently am, it's really long drive.

That would be that would be a hell of a community. All right.

That would be that would be a hell of a community. All right.

So the last time we saw each other was at a convention, which was awesome. And you don't really do a lot of them, but when we do, I think what's really cool is the fans reaction to, like you and I back together again. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, they love that Brandon and Brenda connection.

So the last time we saw each other was at a convention, which was awesome. And you don't really do a lot of them, but when we do, I think what's really cool is the fans reaction to, like you and I back together again. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, they love that Brandon and Brenda connection.

Yeah, they really do. And it's you know, it's fun. You're right, I don't. I don't do a lot of those cons but when I do do them, I'm always amazed by the response that the show still gets and just how rabid our fan base still is. It's it's remarkable.

Yeah, they really do. And it's you know, it's fun. You're right, I don't. I don't do a lot of those cons but when I do do them, I'm always amazed by the response that the show still gets and just how rabid our fan base still is. It's it's remarkable.

Yeah, And like you said, like millennials started binge watching it during COVID. It's it's the age range of people that watch nine O two and oh and love nine O two and oh is pretty remarkable. But it's also a show that really helped kick off the teenage shows. Yeah, because before nine on two and oh, there there wasn't a lot of them out there, and then nine O two and oh came around, and it spawned things like the OC and all of those other teenage shows that came after.

Yeah, And like you said, like millennials started binge watching it during COVID. It's it's the age range of people that watch nine O two and oh and love nine O two and oh is pretty remarkable. But it's also a show that really helped kick off the teenage shows. Yeah, because before nine on two and oh, there there wasn't a lot of them out there, and then nine O two and oh came around, and it spawned things like the OC and all of those other teenage shows that came after.

Dawson's Creek and all of them, right, One Tree Hill, all of them. Right. Definitely, absolutely, it was you know that the success that our show was able to experience definitely changed the trajectory of television moving forward, because, you know, people realized that they could target a YA audience or seventeen to twenty four year old audience, even younger twelve to seventeen and seventeen to twenty four. They could go after those demographics, and if they secured a big enough portion of those demographics, they'd be able to make money, which, at the end of the day is really what it's all about, right.

Dawson's Creek and all of them, right, One Tree Hill, all of them. Right. Definitely, absolutely, it was you know that the success that our show was able to experience definitely changed the trajectory of television moving forward, because, you know, people realized that they could target a YA audience or seventeen to twenty four year old audience, even younger twelve to seventeen and seventeen to twenty four. They could go after those demographics, and if they secured a big enough portion of those demographics, they'd be able to make money, which, at the end of the day is really what it's all about, right.

Right, Do you remember your audition process?

Right, Do you remember your audition process?

Yes, My audition process was very short. It was very short. The first time I auditioned for the show was that first reading that you and I did together in Aaron's office over them a lot, and then the next time my second audition was at Fox.

Yes, My audition process was very short. It was very short. The first time I auditioned for the show was that first reading that you and I did together in Aaron's office over them a lot, and then the next time my second audition was at Fox.

Didn't we audition together at Fox? Also?

Didn't we audition together at Fox? Also?

You know, I don't remember were you there?

You know, I don't remember were you there?

Yeah, I remember being in that long haul, right, and they had sort of whittled people down, and at some point they let some people go, let some people stay, right, you know, out of like the three Brendaz or whatever was left, and I don't know how many Brandons, probably three Brandons, and then it was just you and me, and I remember we sort of you were already in the room and they asked me to come in. They hadn't originally asked me to stay, or I didn't think that they did. So I just started leaving, and Tony Shepherd sort of ran after me and was like, where are you going? And so I came back and in the room with you, and I think the network wanted to see us together. Was it believable that we were twins? Was it believable? How was our sort of chemistry together? And but I do I remember us being at network together.

Yeah, I remember being in that long haul, right, and they had sort of whittled people down, and at some point they let some people go, let some people stay, right, you know, out of like the three Brendaz or whatever was left, and I don't know how many Brandons, probably three Brandons, and then it was just you and me, and I remember we sort of you were already in the room and they asked me to come in. They hadn't originally asked me to stay, or I didn't think that they did. So I just started leaving, and Tony Shepherd sort of ran after me and was like, where are you going? And so I came back and in the room with you, and I think the network wanted to see us together. Was it believable that we were twins? Was it believable? How was our sort of chemistry together? And but I do I remember us being at network together.

Wow, Okay, you know what, I believe you. I think I was so nervous that day that you know, it just got didn't stick in my memory.

Wow, Okay, you know what, I believe you. I think I was so nervous that day that you know, it just got didn't stick in my memory.

Banks Yeah, I mean that was for me. I think it was. I'd mentioned this before on another episode that they had brought in a girl from New York. And whenever they bring somebody in from New York, you sort of assume that that person has the role because they've had to fly them out, they've had to put them up, so that means that that's the favorite. And once I found out that somebody from New York was there, I think my nerves went away because in my head, I just said, I don't I'm not getting this part right. There's way because they have a New Yorker here, and you know that's it's it's a done deal.

Banks Yeah, I mean that was for me. I think it was. I'd mentioned this before on another episode that they had brought in a girl from New York. And whenever they bring somebody in from New York, you sort of assume that that person has the role because they've had to fly them out, they've had to put them up, so that means that that's the favorite. And once I found out that somebody from New York was there, I think my nerves went away because in my head, I just said, I don't I'm not getting this part right. There's way because they have a New Yorker here, and you know that's it's it's a done deal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So then I but once I went into the room with you, I I sort of had that moment where I went, oh, oh, I think I think we got this. Yes, I think I think we're I think this is I think this is Brandon, and I think I'm a Brenda. And then we started working and you know, the one thing obviously, you know, the podcast is called Let's be clear, So I'm I try to be as transparent and authentic with my personal experience and then everybody else's personal experience that I speak to. So once we started working, I think that first season was great. Everybody got along and we were plow horses for the most part. We were just you know, going to work every single day and figuring it out and and we were still yelling. Some of us turned eighteen during the pilot, you know, we had very early birthdays really, And then I remember for me, and I don't know the defining moment for you where you realize that this show was a success, But for me, it was the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.

So then I but once I went into the room with you, I I sort of had that moment where I went, oh, oh, I think I think we got this. Yes, I think I think we're I think this is I think this is Brandon, and I think I'm a Brenda. And then we started working and you know, the one thing obviously, you know, the podcast is called Let's be clear, So I'm I try to be as transparent and authentic with my personal experience and then everybody else's personal experience that I speak to. So once we started working, I think that first season was great. Everybody got along and we were plow horses for the most part. We were just you know, going to work every single day and figuring it out and and we were still yelling. Some of us turned eighteen during the pilot, you know, we had very early birthdays really, And then I remember for me, and I don't know the defining moment for you where you realize that this show was a success, But for me, it was the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.

Yeah, that was that was a big moment. That was fun that day. All right.

Yeah, that was that was a big moment. That was fun that day. All right.

Were there any other like defining moments for you of where you said.

Were there any other like defining moments for you of where you said.

I, you know, I sort of struggle with this because for me, it was that it was those initial summer episodes that we did at the beginning of the second season and the fact that, you know, a show because our show had been late in the fifties and the sixties, and the Nielsen ratings every week, and all of a sudden we were number fourteen, and I was, I was, I was. I was excited by that because I thought it meant that, you know, we were just getting more eyeballs on the show and that, you know, and it would grow from there, and it.

I, you know, I sort of struggle with this because for me, it was that it was those initial summer episodes that we did at the beginning of the second season and the fact that, you know, a show because our show had been late in the fifties and the sixties, and the Nielsen ratings every week, and all of a sudden we were number fourteen, and I was, I was, I was. I was excited by that because I thought it meant that, you know, we were just getting more eyeballs on the show and that, you know, and it would grow from there, and it.

Did.

Did.

It was. It was remarkable how we stuck around because you remember, I'm sure I'm sure you remember in the first season. First of all, our days were super long in that first season when we were in fifteen sixteen hours every day because we hadn't figured out the rhythm of the show yet, and I just remember being exhausted all the time, and I was. And then so the show premiered in October, and the show, it was like just kind of hanging around and hanging around and hanging around. And then and then we got our back nine pickup and now was super exciting. And then but we were still working, you know, fifteen hours a day. It was it was really it was hard. And I remember us all being we were all tired, but we would always on time to go to Merrick's Text Mix cafe and all us and helps get through the drink. We had to oh my god.

It was. It was remarkable how we stuck around because you remember, I'm sure I'm sure you remember in the first season. First of all, our days were super long in that first season when we were in fifteen sixteen hours every day because we hadn't figured out the rhythm of the show yet, and I just remember being exhausted all the time, and I was. And then so the show premiered in October, and the show, it was like just kind of hanging around and hanging around and hanging around. And then and then we got our back nine pickup and now was super exciting. And then but we were still working, you know, fifteen hours a day. It was it was really it was hard. And I remember us all being we were all tired, but we would always on time to go to Merrick's Text Mix cafe and all us and helps get through the drink. We had to oh my god.

Yeah, I think that when you work five days a week and you're working sixteen hour days, it's really hard to just go home and turn your brain off and get the eight hour sleep that you desperately, desperately need and to go and have a taco and a margarita. It sort of is an unwinding process for you know, myself and for Tori. Eventually that that took a whole other surn where our relaxation was the Roxbury and yes, bar one and you know, we and maybe grab two hours of sleep and roll into work with our makeup on from the night before and fantastic, probably wreaking of some alcohol. And yeah, yeah, I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there were really hard moments for me. Towards my last season, I was in a really horrible marriage and there were things transpiring in that marriage that made it very hard for me to consistently be on time for work. And I know that that became a very big problem for the rest of you, because as it should be, because if everybody else is on time and you're waiting for one person, it sucks, right because it means that you're now going to work longer hours. You're going to be there for seventeen hours as a to only fifteen hours hopefully or fourteen hours. So it's a really it's a it's a hard position to be in, certainly, And I've had this conversation with Brian about I it wasn't anybody's responsibility but mine, but I certainly wish that I had been sort of set down and set and sort of looked at and said, Listen, the end result is going to be this. You know, the end result is you're going to get fired because none of us are willing to put up with it anymore. And I understand that you have a issue in your personal life, but that also can't bleed into work. You also have to get your shit together essentially. And what I sort of what Brian and I were talking about the other day was did I was I transparent about sort of everything that I was facing at the time. And the truth is I probably wasn't. I don't think anybody knew that my dad was super sick, and I don't think anybody knew that, you know, my husband was a massive drug addict who would get incredibly violent at times, and that it was all consuming for me, just very I didn't even want to leave the house because I was scared that he would go and get drugs. So it was almost like waiting around for, you know, my dad to show up. And my dad would bring this great dane who was crazy, and he would leave the great Dane outside the house in the gated area so that the guy at the time couldn't escape the house to go get drugs. You know, it was the most bizarre thing I think that I'd ever been through.

Yeah, I think that when you work five days a week and you're working sixteen hour days, it's really hard to just go home and turn your brain off and get the eight hour sleep that you desperately, desperately need and to go and have a taco and a margarita. It sort of is an unwinding process for you know, myself and for Tori. Eventually that that took a whole other surn where our relaxation was the Roxbury and yes, bar one and you know, we and maybe grab two hours of sleep and roll into work with our makeup on from the night before and fantastic, probably wreaking of some alcohol. And yeah, yeah, I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there were really hard moments for me. Towards my last season, I was in a really horrible marriage and there were things transpiring in that marriage that made it very hard for me to consistently be on time for work. And I know that that became a very big problem for the rest of you, because as it should be, because if everybody else is on time and you're waiting for one person, it sucks, right because it means that you're now going to work longer hours. You're going to be there for seventeen hours as a to only fifteen hours hopefully or fourteen hours. So it's a really it's a it's a hard position to be in, certainly, And I've had this conversation with Brian about I it wasn't anybody's responsibility but mine, but I certainly wish that I had been sort of set down and set and sort of looked at and said, Listen, the end result is going to be this. You know, the end result is you're going to get fired because none of us are willing to put up with it anymore. And I understand that you have a issue in your personal life, but that also can't bleed into work. You also have to get your shit together essentially. And what I sort of what Brian and I were talking about the other day was did I was I transparent about sort of everything that I was facing at the time. And the truth is I probably wasn't. I don't think anybody knew that my dad was super sick, and I don't think anybody knew that, you know, my husband was a massive drug addict who would get incredibly violent at times, and that it was all consuming for me, just very I didn't even want to leave the house because I was scared that he would go and get drugs. So it was almost like waiting around for, you know, my dad to show up. And my dad would bring this great dane who was crazy, and he would leave the great Dane outside the house in the gated area so that the guy at the time couldn't escape the house to go get drugs. You know, it was the most bizarre thing I think that I'd ever been through.

And then.

And then.

You know, prior to that, yeah, Tory and I would sometimes be late because we were going out. This was pre marriage. But I'm sure that that was tough for you and tough to deal with, and then not knowing because I wasn't sharing what I was going through. That that conversation with Paul Wagner and Aaron Spelling of you know, the fate of Brenda in nine o two or zero, that must have been a tough conversation for you to have because you were sort of deemed the quarterback by Aaron, so you sort of did have to do some quarterbacking in that area with a cast who a good majority of them felt very passionately about not waiting around.

You know, prior to that, yeah, Tory and I would sometimes be late because we were going out. This was pre marriage. But I'm sure that that was tough for you and tough to deal with, and then not knowing because I wasn't sharing what I was going through. That that conversation with Paul Wagner and Aaron Spelling of you know, the fate of Brenda in nine o two or zero, that must have been a tough conversation for you to have because you were sort of deemed the quarterback by Aaron, so you sort of did have to do some quarterbacking in that area with a cast who a good majority of them felt very passionately about not waiting around.

For me, and it was it was incredibly difficult, and I'm I wish that I would have known more about what was happening in your personal life at the time, because I could have I could have hopefully managed it with with more with more compassion and more caring. But I but we we only knew what we knew, and we just we were trying to to keep the show. Of course, it was you know, the heart the hardest thing for me was, you know, the show is about Brandon and Brenda, it's not It's not about that's what. It's about the Walls family. And all of a sudden, we were going to lose one of the members of the Walls family, and how is that going to impact the show? And how how would we try to how would we find a path to move forward with the show. So it was it was incredibly hard for me because there were just so many unknowns and I but I do I wish, I wish, I wish we would have and I wish all of us had more knowledge about what was happening in your life so we could have we could have dealt with this situation in a more compassionate way.

For me, and it was it was incredibly difficult, and I'm I wish that I would have known more about what was happening in your personal life at the time, because I could have I could have hopefully managed it with with more with more compassion and more caring. But I but we we only knew what we knew, and we just we were trying to to keep the show. Of course, it was you know, the heart the hardest thing for me was, you know, the show is about Brandon and Brenda, it's not It's not about that's what. It's about the Walls family. And all of a sudden, we were going to lose one of the members of the Walls family, and how is that going to impact the show? And how how would we try to how would we find a path to move forward with the show. So it was it was incredibly hard for me because there were just so many unknowns and I but I do I wish, I wish, I wish we would have and I wish all of us had more knowledge about what was happening in your life so we could have we could have dealt with this situation in a more compassionate way.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not I really take the blame for that. Like I don't blame anyone else for what transpired and my ultimate firing, I do blame myself because I should have had my personal life more together. I should have left a relationship earlier. I shouldn't have been going out. I shouldn't have been you know, I got definitely affected by the attention and that all of a sudden I could go into a nightclub, and it didn't matter how old I was. I found it all very seductive and alluring, and I fell into that trap. And then you add the personal issues, and I should have I should have been transparent. First off, I should have gotten my shit together. But second I should have been transparent, And particularly I think with you, I should have because we'd always had a fairly close relationship, and I don't Maybe it was maybe I was embarrassed. Maybe I was just so ultra private back then, which is really funny to say, because I was going out and being photographed all the time, but yet you know, I'm a private person. It's like, okay, great, so they're photographing me, but they don't really know anything in my life. They think they do, but they don't. But I should have shared with you. And I think that that whatever the outcome would have been with nine o two and zero, it still probably would have helped me a lot in a in a very personal way to sort of lean on other people for the help that I desperately needed at that point in time. Yeah, so yeah, I take responsibility, not not. You know, I don't blame anyone. That's that's my issue. And you know, I think Brenda and Brandon were always so interesting because we had an interesting relationship.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not I really take the blame for that. Like I don't blame anyone else for what transpired and my ultimate firing, I do blame myself because I should have had my personal life more together. I should have left a relationship earlier. I shouldn't have been going out. I shouldn't have been you know, I got definitely affected by the attention and that all of a sudden I could go into a nightclub, and it didn't matter how old I was. I found it all very seductive and alluring, and I fell into that trap. And then you add the personal issues, and I should have I should have been transparent. First off, I should have gotten my shit together. But second I should have been transparent, And particularly I think with you, I should have because we'd always had a fairly close relationship, and I don't Maybe it was maybe I was embarrassed. Maybe I was just so ultra private back then, which is really funny to say, because I was going out and being photographed all the time, but yet you know, I'm a private person. It's like, okay, great, so they're photographing me, but they don't really know anything in my life. They think they do, but they don't. But I should have shared with you. And I think that that whatever the outcome would have been with nine o two and zero, it still probably would have helped me a lot in a in a very personal way to sort of lean on other people for the help that I desperately needed at that point in time. Yeah, so yeah, I take responsibility, not not. You know, I don't blame anyone. That's that's my issue. And you know, I think Brenda and Brandon were always so interesting because we had an interesting relationship.

Yeah, definitely, definitely, And the Jack and Jill bathroom, all of.

Yeah, definitely, definitely, And the Jack and Jill bathroom, all of.

It, like it's there was this sexual undertone of Brenda and Brandon that to this day is hysterical. I mean at the convention, I think I showed you a photo of the two of us that a fan brought to me, and I was like, this is inappropriate for brother and sister, and then you'll get the cover rolling Stone and Shore we're ourselves on that. But I'm like straddling you.

It, like it's there was this sexual undertone of Brenda and Brandon that to this day is hysterical. I mean at the convention, I think I showed you a photo of the two of us that a fan brought to me, and I was like, this is inappropriate for brother and sister, and then you'll get the cover rolling Stone and Shore we're ourselves on that. But I'm like straddling you.

Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Yeah, just so bizarre.

Yeah, just so bizarre.

It was. There were a lot of bizarre things that happened with us though, Right, So I sort of understand why you were trying to keep your private life private and not and not. And I feel like you're you were anything in public because because also remember there was it was the days of all the tabloids, right, and they would just come up with the most salacious thing they could for every weekend. You were always in it and they were always creating all these, you know, horrible stories, but there was always like just a little kernel of truth in it, right, So I'm sure you were super paranoid about talking to anybody and saying anything untoward about anyone.

It was. There were a lot of bizarre things that happened with us though, Right, So I sort of understand why you were trying to keep your private life private and not and not. And I feel like you're you were anything in public because because also remember there was it was the days of all the tabloids, right, and they would just come up with the most salacious thing they could for every weekend. You were always in it and they were always creating all these, you know, horrible stories, but there was always like just a little kernel of truth in it, right, So I'm sure you were super paranoid about talking to anybody and saying anything untoward about anyone.

Yeah, I definitely still feel strongly that it could have been my assistant I had at the time, It could have been friends, it could have been somebody on the set. But it definitely feels someone was feeding that kernel of truth. It's just that then those tabloids took it to a whole other level. Oh yeah, that was so incredibly hurtful. It was hurtful to my father, to my mother, and to me that I definitely closed up even more and became like, Okay, I can't, I can't. And I also didn't want to be a victim. I didn't want to be the girl who came to you or to anybody and said, you know, here's what my husband is doing, and I you know, it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a brutal thing. I think there was only a few people who knew.

Yeah, I definitely still feel strongly that it could have been my assistant I had at the time, It could have been friends, it could have been somebody on the set. But it definitely feels someone was feeding that kernel of truth. It's just that then those tabloids took it to a whole other level. Oh yeah, that was so incredibly hurtful. It was hurtful to my father, to my mother, and to me that I definitely closed up even more and became like, Okay, I can't, I can't. And I also didn't want to be a victim. I didn't want to be the girl who came to you or to anybody and said, you know, here's what my husband is doing, and I you know, it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a brutal thing. I think there was only a few people who knew.

Uh.

Uh.

I think my makeup artist knew, but that's because she had to cover a couple of bruises, right, So she she definitely knew what was going on, but she was my makeup artist, so she was loyal to me. Yeah. Yeah, it was a pretty crazy time. Yes, how's that for dropping a bombshell on you? How many years later.

I think my makeup artist knew, but that's because she had to cover a couple of bruises, right, So she she definitely knew what was going on, but she was my makeup artist, so she was loyal to me. Yeah. Yeah, it was a pretty crazy time. Yes, how's that for dropping a bombshell on you? How many years later.

That that was pretty goods later? Here we are what I know?

That that was pretty goods later? Here we are what I know?

I know, I know, but you know, you reach a certain age in your life and you just go, well, everything in the world has been written about me, and ninety percent has been false. So how about I just tell my truth now? And I think that that's where I'm.

I know, I know, but you know, you reach a certain age in your life and you just go, well, everything in the world has been written about me, and ninety percent has been false. So how about I just tell my truth now? And I think that that's where I'm.

At, take control of the narrative and fix it, right.

At, take control of the narrative and fix it, right.

Yeah, I mean one hopes or just you know, have online therapy sessions with people like you, which is what I'm doing today. I must have woken up and being like, okay, therapy session with Jay. It's definitely it's definitely a different experience. I love when people are like, can we watch this? I'm sorry you can't, it's a podcast. Have to listen. But eventually, hopefully we will release video of it all. But so then we did. First off, when what season did you start directing?

Yeah, I mean one hopes or just you know, have online therapy sessions with people like you, which is what I'm doing today. I must have woken up and being like, okay, therapy session with Jay. It's definitely it's definitely a different experience. I love when people are like, can we watch this? I'm sorry you can't, it's a podcast. Have to listen. But eventually, hopefully we will release video of it all. But so then we did. First off, when what season did you start directing?

Season three?

Season three?

Season three?

Season three?

The third season? Yeah, yeah, the first episode I did in the third season was the one where you guys, you guys, the girls all went to the to Magic Mountain and we did all that stuff in Magic Mountain. And uh and uh and Steve and Dylan and Brandon. We're trying to help this con artist girl. Who who would promised this group of tourists that they would get to spend spend the day with I don't know, uh, Burt Reynolds or something, and and uh and so we we actually found a way to get to Burt Reynolds, and we got Burt Reynolds to the peach pit and all the girl and all the all the tourists got to meet him, and we thought we were saving this girl's career. And then it turned out she was just a con artist.

The third season? Yeah, yeah, the first episode I did in the third season was the one where you guys, you guys, the girls all went to the to Magic Mountain and we did all that stuff in Magic Mountain. And uh and uh and Steve and Dylan and Brandon. We're trying to help this con artist girl. Who who would promised this group of tourists that they would get to spend spend the day with I don't know, uh, Burt Reynolds or something, and and uh and so we we actually found a way to get to Burt Reynolds, and we got Burt Reynolds to the peach pit and all the girl and all the all the tourists got to meet him, and we thought we were saving this girl's career. And then it turned out she was just a con artist.

So sad.

So sad.

It was. It was a pretty funny episode, and it turned it turned out pretty good.

It was. It was a pretty funny episode, and it turned it turned out pretty good.

I remember you being a good director. You were nice, You were you still are. You were very efficient, which I deeply, deeply, deeply appreciate as someone who likes to go to work, hit my marks in my lines and get the hell out right. Like I care about my job, but I don't want my job to consume my life. And that's definitely how I've been in the last you know, twenty some odd years of my career. So I did appreciate it because and you also directed some of the reboot that we did.

I remember you being a good director. You were nice, You were you still are. You were very efficient, which I deeply, deeply, deeply appreciate as someone who likes to go to work, hit my marks in my lines and get the hell out right. Like I care about my job, but I don't want my job to consume my life. And that's definitely how I've been in the last you know, twenty some odd years of my career. So I did appreciate it because and you also directed some of the reboot that we did.

Yes, I directed one of those episodes, the one where the one where Torri went to Panama or.

Yes, I directed one of those episodes, the one where the one where Torri went to Panama or.

Wherever you see me and I came out of like the shaman that's right.

Wherever you see me and I came out of like the shaman that's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was directing that day. That was fun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was directing that day. That was fun.

I was nervous.

I was nervous.

I beg you were. You hadn't you hadn't seen any of us for a while, and you know, and to go back and sort of revisit that character sort of, I beg you were, of course you were.

I beg you were. You hadn't you hadn't seen any of us for a while, and you know, and to go back and sort of revisit that character sort of, I beg you were, of course you were.

I was like shaking. I remember that. I kept looking down at my hands and they were they were shaking, and I was like, Shannon, like, get it together, this is ridiculous. And then you were doing a close up on me and my eye was twitching because I.

I was like shaking. I remember that. I kept looking down at my hands and they were they were shaking, and I was like, Shannon, like, get it together, this is ridiculous. And then you were doing a close up on me and my eye was twitching because I.

Was so innous.

Was so innous.

I was like, oh my god, this is not okay, Like why are you so nervous? But yeah, just obviously I'd kept up with Brian, but the rest of you I hadn't really connected with. And so then going there, and I mean, first off, committing to doing it was such a huge decision for me because Luke and I were in the middle of developing a show together and we had had you know, countless meetings sort of going over what kind of show and we had had. We were setting up like producer meetings with particular people that we both wanted to work with. And so when Luke very suddenly passed and the reboot was still there, it was like, oh my god, if I don't do this, am I not honoring him? And I felt like I had to go. I had to do it in order to honor him, and I ended up having it.

I was like, oh my god, this is not okay, Like why are you so nervous? But yeah, just obviously I'd kept up with Brian, but the rest of you I hadn't really connected with. And so then going there, and I mean, first off, committing to doing it was such a huge decision for me because Luke and I were in the middle of developing a show together and we had had you know, countless meetings sort of going over what kind of show and we had had. We were setting up like producer meetings with particular people that we both wanted to work with. And so when Luke very suddenly passed and the reboot was still there, it was like, oh my god, if I don't do this, am I not honoring him? And I felt like I had to go. I had to do it in order to honor him, and I ended up having it.

Was.

Was.

There were challenging moments of shooting the reboot, but I had a great time for the most part.

There were challenging moments of shooting the reboot, but I had a great time for the most part.

Yeah, a pretty good time on that show too. I mean, of course, you know, like halfway through the season, I went back to Toronto and started started working on my on my uh on my Canadian show, and then I would just come back on the weekends and shoot on the weekends and go back. It was. It was crazy, So I don't I didn't know. I didn't know, like later on in those episodes, episode five, six, stuff like that, Like I was, I was hardly around, So I really don't know what was what was happening on the ground. Where did it did it did did the show start to run more smoothly or less smoothly as it went a long.

Yeah, a pretty good time on that show too. I mean, of course, you know, like halfway through the season, I went back to Toronto and started started working on my on my uh on my Canadian show, and then I would just come back on the weekends and shoot on the weekends and go back. It was. It was crazy, So I don't I didn't know. I didn't know, like later on in those episodes, episode five, six, stuff like that, Like I was, I was hardly around, So I really don't know what was what was happening on the ground. Where did it did it did did the show start to run more smoothly or less smoothly as it went a long.

I think the same. I think I think it. I think it didn't. I think it just stayed exactly where it was, you know. I mean it was for me, it was ironic and very funny that I was the girl who got fired for being late and not being responsible on the set right of the origin and then the reboot. I'm constantly early to set and very responsible. I'm very like, I'm doing my job and going to bed and blah blah blah. I would go to dinner with like Brian and I and sometimes but that I was not the one showing up late to set. It was not me, and I kind of loved it. I thought it was hysterical. I was not the one, you know, pausing in the middle of filming because I thought that my dog really needed a bath, and like kept a whole crew waiting. It was really really interesting stuff that was happening. And yeah, I mean I did have a moment.

I think the same. I think I think it. I think it didn't. I think it just stayed exactly where it was, you know. I mean it was for me, it was ironic and very funny that I was the girl who got fired for being late and not being responsible on the set right of the origin and then the reboot. I'm constantly early to set and very responsible. I'm very like, I'm doing my job and going to bed and blah blah blah. I would go to dinner with like Brian and I and sometimes but that I was not the one showing up late to set. It was not me, and I kind of loved it. I thought it was hysterical. I was not the one, you know, pausing in the middle of filming because I thought that my dog really needed a bath, and like kept a whole crew waiting. It was really really interesting stuff that was happening. And yeah, I mean I did have a moment.

With with with with some of those where I said, listen, I know that this might seem funny coming from me, uh and the you know how things come full circle, but I'm don't keep us all waiting.

With with with with some of those where I said, listen, I know that this might seem funny coming from me, uh and the you know how things come full circle, but I'm don't keep us all waiting.

It's not cool. And I just remember that like sort of talk that turned into a little bit of an argument, and I walked away and I went to my trailer and I started laughing, yeah, because I was like, this is just you can't write this. You can't write this in life. It's just it was. But I still, you know, I loved my wardrobe. I loved my character. I loved that they let me. They really let me improv almost everything that they didn't force me to, you know, stick with the dialogue that they wrote that. I was like, yeah, no, let me. I'm gonna I'm going to eat in every single scene. And you looked at me and went are you always going to wear a hat? Do you remember asking? You're like, is it like a character thing? Are you always gonna wear a hat? And I was like, I don't know yet. Maybe Jay, Well, you know, can you just push it back so the like you can get on your face. I'm like, oh, he's trying to make me look pretty cool. Okay, I'll do that. It was great. How was a I mean I know that you were, you know, going back and forth and you weren't there towards the end, but how did you how did you like that? That whole experience. What did you think of it? Because it you know, we only did the six episodes and then it got canceled. Yeah, do you think, yeah, maybe the concept was was the wrong concept for reboot. Maybe we should have been actually playing our characters thirty years later.

It's not cool. And I just remember that like sort of talk that turned into a little bit of an argument, and I walked away and I went to my trailer and I started laughing, yeah, because I was like, this is just you can't write this. You can't write this in life. It's just it was. But I still, you know, I loved my wardrobe. I loved my character. I loved that they let me. They really let me improv almost everything that they didn't force me to, you know, stick with the dialogue that they wrote that. I was like, yeah, no, let me. I'm gonna I'm going to eat in every single scene. And you looked at me and went are you always going to wear a hat? Do you remember asking? You're like, is it like a character thing? Are you always gonna wear a hat? And I was like, I don't know yet. Maybe Jay, Well, you know, can you just push it back so the like you can get on your face. I'm like, oh, he's trying to make me look pretty cool. Okay, I'll do that. It was great. How was a I mean I know that you were, you know, going back and forth and you weren't there towards the end, but how did you how did you like that? That whole experience. What did you think of it? Because it you know, we only did the six episodes and then it got canceled. Yeah, do you think, yeah, maybe the concept was was the wrong concept for reboot. Maybe we should have been actually playing our characters thirty years later.

You know, I don't, I don't, no, I mean that, you know, the concept that we went with for that reboot was like it was, it was so off the wall and sort of avant garde that I think it was difficult for people to wrap their heads around what was really happening. And I think that a lot of people tuned into the show thinking it was going to be you know, we were all just you know, Brandon has taken over the beach bed, and you know, like it was going to be that. And I think when they didn't get that, because I think they kind of secretly they kind of wanted that, Yeah, And I think that when they didn't get it, I think they they they were disappointed, which is you never want to have an audience be disappointed in the content that you're creating. So I think, ultimately, I mean, I think it was I think it was an interesting experience, and I think that we you know, maybe helped to push the push the envelope a little bit, but it was it what the audience wanted obviously.

You know, I don't, I don't, no, I mean that, you know, the concept that we went with for that reboot was like it was, it was so off the wall and sort of avant garde that I think it was difficult for people to wrap their heads around what was really happening. And I think that a lot of people tuned into the show thinking it was going to be you know, we were all just you know, Brandon has taken over the beach bed, and you know, like it was going to be that. And I think when they didn't get that, because I think they kind of secretly they kind of wanted that, Yeah, And I think that when they didn't get it, I think they they they were disappointed, which is you never want to have an audience be disappointed in the content that you're creating. So I think, ultimately, I mean, I think it was I think it was an interesting experience, and I think that we you know, maybe helped to push the push the envelope a little bit, but it was it what the audience wanted obviously.

Not Yeah, I mean I sort of always thought that it should have been if we were going to do it, it should have been sort of like that show thirty something, but for us, it would have been at that time forty something, where we pick up these characters in their forties and what they've gone through and what they've struggled with and are still struggling with, and do they know each other anymore? You know, did when Brenda went to London? Did she ever come back? And did she you know, what is her relationship like with her twin? And you know what happened ultimately with her and Dylan, And you know, for everybody to sort of have those moments and to really and I think I do agree with you that I think that that's kind of what the audience wanted, and when they didn't get it, they were clearly, clearly, clearly disappointed because our numbers were not great and we got canceled very quickly, yea, very quickly, six episodes and done. I don't think that's ever happened to me before I was like wait, what.

Not Yeah, I mean I sort of always thought that it should have been if we were going to do it, it should have been sort of like that show thirty something, but for us, it would have been at that time forty something, where we pick up these characters in their forties and what they've gone through and what they've struggled with and are still struggling with, and do they know each other anymore? You know, did when Brenda went to London? Did she ever come back? And did she you know, what is her relationship like with her twin? And you know what happened ultimately with her and Dylan, And you know, for everybody to sort of have those moments and to really and I think I do agree with you that I think that that's kind of what the audience wanted, and when they didn't get it, they were clearly, clearly, clearly disappointed because our numbers were not great and we got canceled very quickly, yea, very quickly, six episodes and done. I don't think that's ever happened to me before I was like wait, what.

That's never happened to me before. That was one for the record books, h

That's never happened to me before. That was one for the record books, h