Leisure Link (90 min) - 24 Sep 2022

Published Sep 24, 2022, 9:00 AM

This week on LEISURE LINK with Peter Greco:

  • Nick and Jordan Plumb, joint coaches for the Kenilworth football club in the APM Employment League in the SANFL, told us how the team went in the grand-final.
  • Karon Monk, Assistant Coach for the Semaphore Centrals Netball Club, let us know how they went in the C 6 netball competition grand-final
  • Cameron Reid, from Blind Golf SA, had your personal invitation to try golf during the October school holidays or for adults throughout October and November. Cameron is just back from the Australian championships, how did he go? Contact Cameron on 0416 800 766 or email blindgolfsa@gmail.com
  • Allison Davies, from Music and the Brain, shared how Alli got into music therapy,
  • Gail Hilton, Manager for Care & Quality of life, chatted about the "Face It" campaign and more in this childhood dementia Initiative - raising much needed funds and awareness Find out more here: https://www.childhooddementia.org/
  • Reeva Brice conducted Reeva's regular yoga Segment. You can contact Reeva on 0412 866 096
  • Renee Thornon, from Rehab Management, have just won an award and talked about what makes an effective workplace rehabilitation program - and why it matters. https://www.rehabmanagement.com.au/  

It's just gone. 5:00 had been grand final day. Who better than to channel or paraphrase that? Mike Brady. And one day in September. I'm glad you've remembered to listen to Leslie here on Vision Australia Radio 1197. That'll be radio dot org on the Internet via Radio Digital through the TuneIn Radio app. Look for Vision Australia, Radio Adelaide, your favourite podcast or streaming service, you'll find us there. Peter Greco with a very warm welcome to you on the program this afternoon. We'll catch up very short with Nick and Jordan Plum there from the Kenilworth Football Club. We speak to Karen Monk from the Semaphore Centrals Netball Club Walks. I speak golf with Cameron Reid. If you're blonde, have low vision here. A child with blonde or low vision, a chance to come and try golf. We'll find out more about that. We'll speak to Alison DAVIES from Music in the Brain. Alison often talks about why music is good for us. How did Alison get into this particular field of work? We'll find out very shortly. We'll catch up with Carol Hilton for a very sensible and sobering message regarding world childhood dementia day and a chance for you to face it. We'll find out more from Google about that yoga from Reeva Bryce. I also catch up with Ryan. I thought I heard from rehab management that I've just won an award. Normally the last day of the month we catch up with Professor Denise Wood from USC. Unfortunately, Denise couldn't make it this afternoon. All being well will catch up with Denise in October one.

Long. Long.

Well, the SANFL Employment League has had their grand final winner is Kenworth and we've got two for the price of one on the program. I've got the joint coaches, the Co-coach for the team, Nick and Jordan Plum, Nick Walker, my congratulations. Thank you very much. Jordan, how are you?

Good. Going well. Gunnell still. Still riding the wave of success. Absolutely. It's been a great few weeks.

Well done. Nick, how did this come about? Join coaches, I guess. All. All your brothers. So this happen?

Yeah. So I got offered the the role at the start of last year just by myself, and it was just an amazing thing to do. And Jordan started to get involved probably about three or four games into last season, and we just bounce ideas off each other. We just we just played it out really, really well with that. So at the start of this year, when we had our upset of a one point loss last year, we thought we can bring our heads together co-coach bring new ideas and find different ways to motivate the boys. It was the best way to go forward.

Jordan I can remember speaking to the winning team last year. They told us that that exciting finish, I guess exciting and a real thrill for them. But by the same token, there is the reverse side of that and that's obviously what you guys start big on, be on the wrong end of the result, if you like.

Yeah, absolutely. It was if being our team was sort of just riding the wave of emotion and sort of just taking a wait wait to wake and Eastern thought being a five time consecutive grand finals, you didn't really expect to even get that Queensland Grand Final. So to get that close it was a bit of a realisation for us. Hey, we were on to something here and we had, you know, we had these, the boys, you know, boys backing in, the boys really interested in, you know, succeeding. So it was a no brainer to to go around again this year and get the chocolates.

Throughout the season then. Now we're talking about the grand final in a minute, but what about through the season? How did the game sort of play out?

Yeah, so like it this year, I think that we in that was very different to last year was we had a full pre-season so the boys were a lot fitter this year and seem to play through our style. So we won our first eight, first eight games in a row and the boys were riding high, but we knew that could come to an end in any way. And we had some course games out there that, you know, was probably a good reality check for the lads and mean we had our first loss. It probably actually helped. I think it kind of told them to go back down to earth and just remember that, you know, footy is a game that can be played in four quarters and anything can kind of happen. So yeah, it was a great it's a great season. But you know, coming, coming second didn't mean that we were going to be guaranteed to go to the grand final when, you know, we had to take the opposite route. So yeah, it was, it was a great season for the lads. But I think when you, when you start writing that wave of just continuous wins, you, you do think that every, every game is a win and you've got to yeah, you've got to come back to sometimes remember that you know you still got to play in those four quarters no matter what team you're playing.

Just about the photo series then you said we had a bit of an upset today. It wasn't all smooth sailing. Yeah.

So I think I think just a lot riding on a next point. The season was sort of fighting to off for us. We obviously had that no star and then it was it was a good opportunity. We just we used the phrase to reset refresh a lot during the year and over, you know, in multiple different scenarios. But for the boys, we won our I know we lost we lost the first game. You know, let's let's reset refresh. We sort of became from balanced to wanting a game which sort of sparked that motivation. Again, the boys, like Nick said, we sort of the boys just expected to win every game. So it was a good chance for us to to Yeah. Reset and let them go again. So the finals, Kristie speech massive well massive shout out to them you know for earnings I think it was only three wins in the past two seasons, but that really came hard, trying hard and their own food success got a lot of attention the late so the first one it was the first one when we went to overtime. Yeah. First final, first overtime final we've had for many years. So yeah, the first quantum diversity space was a back and forth contest. They came up early and then we sort of managed to claw way back and get up, get up to about a 17 point lead. And then yeah, it was back and forth which went to overtime and I think, I think over time. So you know, we really tried to emphasize the boys footy. You've got to play down to the last, you know, the last siren. And I think once we got that sort of three goal lead, I think a few of our boys sort of just took in their way off, you know, they sort of switched off and interesting sort of went bang, bang, bang in that last quarter and suddenly got fired over time. And I think especially with boys with disabilities and things like that, structures of these things, I think it sort of put a lot of people off, a lot of the boys off with the over time part of it because we couldn't we couldn't come onto the field. Give our address. It was pretty much Ross died on the field. 5 minutes all. I think that probably caught a few of us off guard. And then, you know, preliminary final up against Eastern Park again. And I think all year it's just something about Eastern Park. You know, the boys have a baby, makes them part. For a long time. We actually lost to Eastern hockey in the last round of the season and all year for us, really slow starts. And Nick and I tried multiple different avenues pray, dance, get a voice. But it just seemed like we just didn't come to play early. And then and we sort of found our way into the game. That happened again on the preliminary final where eastern part $3. And we actually fought the horns and then it slowly just clicked all the stuff we sort of worked on. What you touched on early to face into the fitness. He had a voice. The voice came over and I think we ended up getting up by about 20 points. So it was really isn't. But I think for us a really successful thing we saw the influence was try to take, you know, each contest is a new contest. A lot of boys get really down hard on themselves. Mark who missed a tackle, a things like that. But once I sort of just started to get out of get it back backing from us, we get that confidence. They they really showcased what they could do.

Great inside Jordan thank you for that are about the grandfather Nick can just about that guy obviously I mean we've talked about this on this program for a hundred years sort of thing and it doesn't matter what level what sport grand final there's something very special about the whole guy is.

100% from from start to finish like the grand final for us was a lot lighter than it was losses so started at 6 p.m. so it was a bit of a different thing for the boys team play from start to finish under lights, which was it was an amazing experience getting the boys ready. It's always a really, really hard job because your head is in this space where, yes, you won last week, but you go back to the team that made you play the week before. So, you know, there was a lot a lot of stuff going on, on and off the field and a lot of, you know, a lot of confidence from Christies Beach coming in and our boys. Yeah, just just kind of trying to get the head down for that, like after our last training for the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, just to kind of get in the right mindset to play a grand final. And again, our grand final day boys came out with a lot of energy early again, didn't score first so to blood pressure and they scored pretty much straight away. So it was again a slow start. And we had some just some leaders really step up and we just enjoyed Jordan. I made a few, I'd say big changes in at the start of the second quarter just to kind of throw off what Christie's had known about our playing style and just made some changes that they had to go, Oh, well, hold on, that's that's different. Or What are we going to do to change this? And that really opened up the game for us. And our, our fitness, again, just, just came to play in that thing. What a where we saw a step up that you know it may be playing back like of the year they throw forward and Christie's not sure how to how to change that or how to deal with that pressure and it was just continuous. Just the second efforts just got us through and our legs just run out, start to the end of the game.

And Jordan fun with Sara. I guess that's hard to put into words, isn't it? Then it's finally. And you know that exhilaration that first 3 seconds as the final siren goes.

Yeah, it's a it's a bit of a blur to be honest, actually. You sort of like you said, it doesn't matter what, what level, what leg, what sport your eyes dream is. What do you not grand final? Yeah, you sort of. I didn't know where to go, actually. I run on the field and then I ended up both supporting myself.

Just like.

Baseball. And to the end, just try to find everybody. Yeah, it was fantastic. And throughout the year, you're sort of so excited and be so involved in the season, not really get an opportunity just to stand back and analyze what you've done. That's when it was sort of just that ten, 15 seconds like we've actually done it.

Yeah, yeah.

We have done it. And as a, as a footy club across the age, face to face and the women's I think when something went on in the last non grand finals.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah. We lost three last year. Yeah. And then the hours of unfortunately come up short a couple of times as well. So to be able to sort of bring in a flag to kind of was, was, was just the most pleasurable aspect of it. And just to say the look on the boys faces and it was it was so well worthwhile. I mean, yeah, it's a long season. It's a difficult season. You have some downs, but at the end of the day, it makes it all worth.

It and the family and friends tailgate. So Jordan touched on the players, Nick, but also I guess the family side that have been supporting what have been very special for them. I mean, maybe in some respects even more special.

I think 100% for the families and friends, like even for Jordan. I like having our whole family there and having families of all the lads there. Like it's just incredible to see how much like a club and a community to major people like I feel really fighters for people. That like that do have inclusive needs. It's. It brings people together. And it brings them. Them their family, but their community to one place. And I think it gives them a bit of a purpose on how to feel during the weekend and where to go and what to do. And I think it means more to family than it does sometimes to plays. And I think for them to be out of stand back and see after, I think our last grand final with kind of what that we wanted as an inclusive was to as an enjoyed to see some of the players that have played since then, you know, and to play now and be able to celebrate. And it just means the world to them. And seeing some of their parents come out to our been here every game and you've been so close but you finally got it is just like oh you want to hear as a coach.

It's a great advertisement for the sport isn't getting better was not the right word but it's a great thing for the sport to be able to carry this. You talk about the community involvement of that inclusion and one thing we had learnt about the APM Employment League is how inclusive the clubs are with the players with an integration difficulties. That's a wonderful message. How you want the best on ground that it will. It still goes on.

Yes. Jesse Jesse Goodman, he's been very successful, hasn't won. Like I think he's I think he's won two, two or three league medals, five best and fairest for us. And yeah, he's a he's one of his captains. He took on a new role this year coming off halfback, which is really pivotal for us to get that run and that run coming off of the backline. So a very well deserving win. They could have been shot, it sounds like could have a six or seven, seven winners on the day, but you end up ending up getting the win.

So, yes, I think it is their brother. And of course, they lost their dad a few years ago. And I know he'd be obviously looking down with a big smile and very, very proud of them. Guys, thank you for spending some time with us. That sounds like it was a great day. I keep enjoying the breath you got. You got six months or more to enjoy it because.

The boys are again, the boys would be out next Tuesday night if we told them to the game.

Oh well that's something rather cold. Doesn't look fantastic isn't it. I guys go down to just play the doors and who knows, we might catch up again this time next year.

So you might see.

Nicholas and Jordan Co-coaches for the Commonwealth Footy Club as they took out this year's IPA Employment League. In the sense of.

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For the very, very popular and the very, very long standing netball C six competition had their grand final last weekend. The winners were Semaphore Centrals. That's probably not a surprise. They've got a wonderful record. Let's speak to their assistant coach, Carmen Curran. Welcome and congratulations.

Thank you.

Hello.

How do you feel? A few days afterwards, the excitement still sort of buzzing through the vines.

Oh, what? I think about it, yes and no. It was actually a tougher game this season than the last season when we beat them. So a different team strategy, different game strategy in the way that the context Coach Paul placed his players was a little bit different to what I was not waiting and looking at, so it was a little bit different. But yeah, eventually we came away with the win.

Paul Walker We're talking about that, who's been involved with the long time. So he kind of had obviously done a bit of strategising and set set a bit of a challenge. It might be something for some people to think about.

It was he he had a player a couple of weeks earlier that quit and I wasn't expecting him to play the grand final. And then she turned up, which changed the strategy of the whole game. Sorry, it's just what happens.

Waiting to see about your season or just a bit about your history because the your Centrals netball club in the States, this competition has got a tremendous record, haven't you? How long have you been involved? And can you tell us a bit about your record?

Well, I know that the six teams started when I am and started the league. They were one of the original teams. Me personally, I have been involved in the last seven or eight years. I have three daughters that play now in that team, but one of my daughters started playing seven years ago in that team, and I really didn't get a lot of involvement at that time because I was umpiring during the timeslot. Then my youngest daughter, who has a side issue, I joined and she was getting a lot of negative comments about her skill level and stuff like that. So I started to take a little bit more notice and then about three years ago I stepped up as team manager for the group and from there it just slowly evolved into, well, the coach couldn't run training, so I started running trainings last year. I was. All to the assistant closed slash team manager running trainings and this year finally got recognized as the assistant coach through I am Andy since I've been doing more of the work than the coach due to her health her health issues in sight. It is just evolved over that time. But I now have three girls playing in the same team. That's a nightmare sometimes, Boss.

Said of being a bit of a bit of a curse. Not, not not a curse. That's not a nice word.

But I guess the.

Challenge.

Is it does have its challenges. I mean, the group of girls at Semaphore have a different range of disabilities. And I'm just lucky that my older two that play in the team have taken on more leadership roles, which makes my job a lot easier, especially at training. So they have the ability to break things down that I can't quite get back to a basic level for people to understand because it's a big change of coaching in a normal club situation to actually coaching CS6, you've got to work out how they work, how they learn. But at the end of the day, I've slowly, over the last three years worked it out and game day they just went where we put them. So this season we tried to teach them to play in every position. So if someone got hurt, they could just take the call. It knew what they were doing. So that played a pivotal role on the grand final day for me because of the strategy that people use. So I had to utilise some of that training that we had done over the season, the season as a whole out better players didn't play some of the the weaker teams. They chose to take days off to give the others go. And I mean we have four really good players in our team and some of those just went, you know, we're not going to play. And we lay out what I call our learning players play because they're the ones that take the time to learn how to do things. And they still won, which was a credit to them because, you know, they had to put in the hard work where when the other ones are on the team, they just go, Oh yeah, we'll just run here, get the ball. And they know the ball is going to fly down the court. So, you know, sometimes my older ones have to think about, oh, well, hang on, there's not just us on the team, we have to incorporate others. So they have to change their ground game strategy through the game to allow everyone to get the ball. But the biggest achievement, I suppose, this season is the fact that those younger ones who have less experience in playing netball have actually started to thrive and want to learn. And the three you can now see the three years of working starting to go, okay, well that makes sense now. So they just automatically do it like a pivot or something like that, where three years ago they would refuse to pivot.

So I guess the other thing is carrot kind of is reward for launch, as you say, maybe if they're not getting a game because the you know, the more credentialed players are sort of starring, if you like, and they're turning up, but they're not getting a game to give them that opportunity is a bit of reward for loyalty for them as well. And then then they, you know, show trust in your loyalty by playing well when they get that opportunity.

Yeah, you could say that this there's still a lot for them to learn. We have two or three out of the ten that got selected for rubies this year. Yeah, and I know that two of them deserve to be where they are in in the state team. They're very conscious about being at every training unless they're sick. And they have also come leaps and bounds in their leadership skills as well over this season, which is amazing to see considering a couple of seasons ago they didn't want to talk to anyone. So the team itself over the last three years has actually pulled together. It's more like a family now, which I suppose for the younger ones, learning is important and they all respect their supporters that come out every week. And they they don't argue with what they're being told, but they also find their own ways in making sure if they're not learning. Right, do say something. So there's a lot of trust going between coaching staff and players. Now, we've had one player this season who's actually finishing year 12 and through her community studies has had to do netball and run a few. Neville training's the one leading into the finals was her last one, and I decided to make it a little bit harder for her. She'd been working so hard through the season on this and I say like, you know, normal basic skills is, is what we were working on just to remind some girls, because we had missed two trainings before that due to weather and illness in the team. So I just mixed it up a little bit and I made it a little bit harder for her to understand what was going on. And at the end of the training, she's going, Hang on, but we should have done this, this, this and this, and that would have fixed it to make the girls understand what you wanted them to do. And I've gone full. That's the reason I did it. I wanted to see how much you had learnt over the season in your coaching to what I can do wrong and what I should do right. So basically we have a leading away from the ball so you can get a pass from a lob and I just stuff that threw up completely and she came back at the point where okay well we should have still run in touched the ball, run away then we should have just told them to stop on a dot and then run away. So she actually sort of physically worked it all out, which was part of an amazing experience for me because she's the quietest one on the team. So and she's also one of the ones that we have with site issues. So I was very happy with the fact that she could pick that up and she was able to explain what I did wrong and why it didn't work the way I wanted it to work. But I was happy that it didn't work. So I wanted her to choose the way it should have been worked out to actually make it work properly. So a lot of things have happened over the course of this season, and that one for me I suppose, is a highlight that a person with sight issues can actually see, even though it takes time, can actually see what I do wrong and and knows how to fix it. And no, I don't. I mean, I did it actually on purpose at that training, but I normally don't. It was just amazing to find that I could work out what I actually had done wrong because it started raining and I didn't want the girls to get wet, so I just went through it really quickly. But she was able to pick that up. So that for me this season I suppose is a highlight. Besides winning the grand final because, you know, I being the quietest, doesn't talk much. But you could see I could watch and you could see the brain taking over that it wasn't working and she was able to come back with that sigh. I have also a great acceptance of Paul as a coach this season. He's had a lot of ups and downs himself with injuries and all sorts of stuff in his team, and he put a really good game on court for the first half. Then one of his major players went down with an ankle, which I think where we were able to dominate a little bit more. I had a game plan of I mean the girls when they normally played than through the season we were winning by 30 or 40 goals against contacts and I've got less and I only want to win by 1015. Let's like give them a guy but and it was close until this young lady had our ankle and then he just had nothing else to put on court because he was playing injured girls. I credit to contacts. They actually did a really, really good game. I watched their prelim game the week before against for tricks and.

Finish, wasn't.

It? Oh, absolutely. It was an exciting game all game. You know, I was absolutely gobsmacked at the way that the girls, the contacts, girls especially played so professionally that day. They were very supportive. Their supporters were very supportive. And I never thought that they were winning into that final going, We're not going to win this. We're not, we're not. We're not, we're not. And I just happened to speak to Post or to Catherine because she didn't play that game due to injuries herself. And I said, Prelim is a funny game and she's gone, but why? And I said, Well, they were even now. They were down, contacts were down at the end of the first quarter. Then they came back and they were even at the half and then they got up, I think it was six and three quarter time and she come to me and she's gone, Oh, I think we're still going to lose this. And I said, No, no, no, no, no, no. This is how it works. If you're down at the first quarter, you're even it takes a half basically for a team in any final to settle. And then it's the. If you actually worry about as she's gone or so we're up so we could win messages. Just everyone on court, including your father, has to stay calm, has to stay cool and just play your game. And in the end, in the last quarter, I think my tricks in the third quarter, I think they got about ten goals, context retreats only got three in the last quarter. They came out metrics came back a bit, but it was goal for goal. So you know in the end that six goals that they were up three quarter time, they had that buffer and that's what won the game. And she's going to deny we did.

Karen, thank you for sharing a bit of your netball philosophy with us. Again, congratulations for Singapore Central's Another Victory and well, thank you again for sharing just a little bit of inside stories of some of the stuff that goes on as far as the netball club goes. But to you and all of those. But some of those central step ball club, congratulations.

Thank you so much. Speak to you soon.

Karen Mack there, the assistant coach for this year's winner of the C 64 competition. Karen Monk. The winners were Semaphore Centre's netball club.

I'm Ben Weekes, Australian wheelchair tennis player. And you're listening to link with Peter Greco on the Vision Australia Radio Network.

What school holiday times? And maybe you're a golfer that used to play. You've lost your sight maybe a lot to get back here. It I think we got some pretty good news for you to tell us more about. We've got Cameron Ray. He's the president of Blind Golf. So good to catch up again.

Cameron Yeah, thanks for having me on, Peter. Great to speak to you.

Now it is school holiday times coming up very, very shortly. And then I guess for people who might be at a bit of a loose end, they might have a child with a vision impairment. You've got the solution.

We do. We've got a couple of junior clinics coming up down at West Beach with Emery Knights on the sixth and 13th of October. Sorry, excuse me, in the afternoon and all the welcome don't need to be a member of BGC. All equipment's provided and participation is free for anybody who wants to go.

So there are two Thursdays, the sixth and 13th and chapter two first guys. Yep. So what sort of age group are you looking at with this camera from.

5 to 18?

Okay.

We were part of the South Australian School for the Visually Impaired Sports Camp Week. We did a two hour session with them for 20 kids. So yeah, we're looking to expand on that. We've got six juniors to play with this currently and the more the merrier.

You say five. But realistically, what sort of age could a child start to play golf and kind of, I guess, get a bit of a feel of it so literally and figuratively.

After speaking with Emery, you know, five is five is a good starting point. But you can always start earlier if you've got, you know, parents who are motivated to get you out and get you involved in the sport.

I think Tiger Woods started when he was three or something, didn't he?

So something like that. But yeah, his father was incredibly motivated to get them into being an avid lifelong golfer himself.

So come on now. Even the very best of golfers talk about it can be a very frustrating game. But for someone starting out, can you get a bit of an idea of, are you going to like this? I mean, I guess sometimes part of the challenge of something is the fact that you don't get around it straight away so you can have something to build on. But can you get a bit of an idea early on what this is for you?

Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And that's true of any sport, you know, and especially true of golf. It's it's one of those sports you either love immediately and really get into or you just don't. You know, there are a lot of other sports in society cricket, tennis, ten green bowling bowls, the full gamut. And we're just trying to give Flannery's namesake kids the opportunity to, at the very least, try golf. And in conjunction with our clinics, we also have the Guinness round every weekend at the North Adelaide pathway in the city as well.

And we talk about the fact that, you know, Tiger Woods or his dad got him involved at an early age. I guess one of the good things about something like this is that if a child in particular might have a parent or a sibling that might play, the game will probably think, well, why can't I? And this is the opportunity that opens up for.

Absolutely. And that's ideal as well. If you've got a parent who's involved in the sport and loves the game themselves, then that's even more motivation to get out and give the sport a try.

So that's the sixth and third chance to repeat those details. Before we wrap up and also give contact details that you've also got to try them for the adults as well who might be prone to have life vision.

Yep, we've got an eight week series of clinics starting on October the 22nd through the Saturday. They'll all run on Saturday to give people who work as well the opportunity to come down and give it a try. I know we're in a seven day economy, but yeah, just to give as many people the opportunity to try again, all equipment provided participation is free. If you've got your own clubs, please bring them down. And it's not mandatory to attend every single clinic to get involved in. You know, if you can only make half of them, then please get in contact with this and we'd love to book you in and get you involved. And Emery is involved in five of the clinics because she's actually been given the honour of coaching the women's team. Sorry, being the captain of the women's team, which is representing Australia for the PGA female coaches in Australia, and they've got a tournament next month in New Mexico. So we have a filling coach for three weeks. So she's away, but still is a certified all abilities PGA coach as well.

And that's important too as they come in, because I guess, you know, we can have people with good intentions and want to help out, but if they've got that certification as far as their coaching credentials go with that, it gives everyone a lot more confidence. And I guess also they've got a bit of an understanding of the disability that they're working with as well.

Well yeah, it's one of Golf Australia's great initiatives in regards to giving PGA coaches more insight and flexibility and and a willingness to work with people with disabilities as well over.

Many years, sort of potential coaches out there that do the course. I put in the time to do that. I mean, you talked about Anne Marie and in glowing terms and rightly say there are many countries, particularly in South Australia, that have got their credentials or indeed that would like to pursue that sort of area.

There are there are at least at least a dozen PGA coaches with the all ability certification in South Australia from Glenelg Golf Course, which is obviously very exclusive to Willunga Golf Course, North Adelaide golf course, yeah, they're all over the place and if anybody wants to try in their area they can get in contact with me and I'll refer them to their local PGA or the closest PGA coach who is also an all abilities coach.

So what happens with the all abilities coaching sort of set up then? Do you have to sort of applying and go through a process, that sort of stuff? And does that happen on a regular basis? Much about how that works.

It's just a course that PGA coaches can do through Golf Australia, which just yeah, it teaches them about the different physical limitations of people with disabilities and being able to work around that in regards to just coaching the sport of golf. There's also a step below PGA coaches, basically members of golf clubs, code community instructors. You can get a certification as a community instructor and also an extra certification to work with people in the all abilities field as well.

What about the sport itself, Cameron? How do you think it's going? I guess, you know, COVID interrupted a fair bit. Me kind of. But we're getting blind golf up running, then COVID hit. You've done remarkable that to come through it and I wish I could do and other people that have gone away to interstate trips and we've had the tournament here in South Australia. Yeah. How's the sport progressing do you think, as far as, I guess, you know, coming back after COVID and then recovering both the paper ball and vision impaired for people with disabilities and the sport in general, do you think that more people are sort of getting back on board?

Well, golf generally grew actually during the pandemic because one of the few things that you can get out to, you know, you can get out by yourself and walk a golf course. That's obviously for people who are, you know, fully physically capable. But in South Australia, actually, we the the restrictions were minimal. It was only for the first four or five months of the pandemic in 2020 that we weren't able to play on courses because we obviously require a sighted caddie to help us out around the course and you couldn't share a car. So it was difficult in that regard. But we actually had some of the best regulations in the country to get people involved in blind golf. And yeah, it's membership around the country did contract a bit, but it's starting to bounce back now. And the week before this we actually last week sorry we there was the WA Open and the Australian Open in Perth and.

Did the game on the South try to get out of that.

Yet. I went and we had one other member who went. Unfortunately we should have had at least three others go. But everybody's waiting for elective knee surgery at the moment or has just had it. So it's yeah, it sort of cut down participation, but yeah, it was it was good way.

How did you guys how did you personally go?

I actually won both the WTA in this room.

Why don't you now to tell us this is amazing.

Look, it's I'm incredibly honoured to have performed as well as I did, but yeah, it's it. It was a great way.

To say sorry. Sorry. I will stop right there. So did you win both tournaments over that? Yes.

Yes.

Oh, that's sensational.

Thank you. Thank you. Well, as I said, it was a good week. But I also have my caddie, Lindsay, who just was outstanding with this course management and is caddying, which, you know, obviously I couldn't have done. I couldn't have played without him. And yeah, he kept me grounded because I personally have a reflex to split the charity a bit if I'm not playing as well as I believe I should be. And it's obviously, you know, directed at myself, no one else. But yeah, I can get a bit rambunctious, for lack of a better word. But no, I managed to have the pretty much the second best round of my life and the second day of the Australian Open. So it yeah it got me over the line.

Okay, so try the new one. The Australian night for a golf course. You're blind.

Yes. Bloody. Visually impaired. Yep.

That's a tremendous achievement. No, no. You played in the state before. Is that your that obviously is your best result.

Actually won five events this year. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's been a good year.

Is that your best result. Like I guess in terms of stage, if you want to call it.

The Australian Open? Yeah. The national event at it's co-sponsored by the International Blind Golfers Association and. And co-run with Blind Golf Australia.

Does that lead to anything internationally then in terms of Australian representation?

They do actually have the Blind Golf World Championships next March, in late March in South Africa when they were meant to be in the meant to be every three years. But obviously with Tony Abbott, they were originally meant to be in 2020 but have been put off until this year and I have put myself in a pretty good position to get an invitation. It's no certainty, obviously, but I'm now on in the order of merit in Australia. I'm six.

And what number would they go down to to select?

They generally invite the top eight.

Okay, well, I'm not going to miss Cameron, but if you're in the top six of the top five, I think you better book on air to air to air tickets.

I will wait until Blago next. So.

All right.

I'm not going to get ahead of myself.

Never take anything for granted. I can regret to catch up. So I just give us those details again. So if you want to make and play with the best ball golfer in Australia, Cameron trade the sixth or the 13th. The kids just give us the details. When and where.

Yep, the sixth and the 13th of October, I believe from 2 to 3 p.m.. If you want to contact me, I'll confirm that with you. I have the information right in front of me. Yep, yep. But again, all participation is free and all equipment's provided unless you have your own gear. And then we have our adult clinics starting on the 22nd of October, Saturday, the 22nd of October, and that's running for eight weeks. And yeah, mandatory presents at all eight clinics isn't necessary. You don't have to be a member of line go this say to attend just a willingness to try this sport. And if you want to find out more details, please get in contact with me on 0416 876 six and you can also email me at Blind Golf. Golf's at gmail.com.

Cameron You've won five tournaments this year. Are there any more tournaments left?

The the New South Wales Open in the end of October in Sydney.

We got to that.

I'm thinking about it at the moment. It's just going to be a matter of finances.

Yeah, well that's a that's a very familiar story with sport for people around the region impaired or sport with disabilities. But we wanted to tackle that topic right now. Cameron Boden, congratulations on not only the tremendous work that you're doing to promote the sport, you've got up from Ground Zero to here, which is tremendous, but also on your own personal performances. It's great to catch up and next time don't be shy.

Shai Thank you, Peter. I really appreciate it. Some again, I'm not a personal bragger and I'm really proud of my achievements this year. It's been a really good year and thanks very much for taking the time to talk to us and find out what blind golf has to offer in South Australia.

We'll put your details up on our Facebook page. Thanks, Cameron.

Thanks, Peter. Take care.

Cameron Reid there. Talk about blind golf and if you want to find out more 0416876 or blind golf at gmail.com. Go to our Facebook page to get those details. Or we're towards the end of September, which means spring is here and a lot of this cold spring in the voice and makes our faces small to life is our sun. We shall rally.

Oh, hi, Peter. Now, one.

Of the most asked questions I get is we love hearing Al. We love all the stuff that she's got to say, but we don't know much about her. So how did you get into this sort of field?

Oh, I'm just thrilled that that's the most asked question. Thank you, everyone. I became a music therapist six years ago. However, before that music. Okay. So music has always been a really big part of my life. The sort of the story in my family goes that my first words were out of a blues song. Okay. And my dad used to play rock and roll to me as a baby and make rock and roll cassette tapes for me. And we used to. So music has always been a really big part of my family life. I did not know. I'm sure I've told you this before, but I'm autistic and I did not discover this autistic identity until I was 36. But as a child and while I was growing up, music provided me an input that helped my brain stay organized and regulated so that I could function in the world and do things. I did not know that I was autistic and that I needed something like this. But as a child and as I was growing up, I remember thinking all the time, music is actually keeping me alive. And I remember always thinking, Is this what it's like for everyone? Like, I always had to have music in my head. I had to be making rhythms because if I wasn't making rhythms in my head, I was counting in threes and fours all the time. And so I had this really interesting relationship with music without realizing it because I was an autistic person. And so I really feel that that is what led me into the path of music therapy without even realizing it.

So that I guess why of living with autism before you even knew you had it or were diagnosed with it, you kind of almost just stumbled on that or you worked it out for yourself.

I guess I just found something that helped me in life, and so I kept accessing more and more of it, if that makes sense. My mom, when I was a little kid, my mom tells this story about how she said to me one day, Oh, Allison, what goes on in that head of yours? And I replied with nothing, Mom, just music. It's there when I wake up in the morning and it's day when I go to sleep. And so I think I just inherently had this music inside me that was always going and you know, there's different ways of interpreting that. It could be because of the patterns and the rhythms and, and because of ADHD. I just need this constant stimulation. Who knows, really? But I think that I was aware of it from a very young age. And so then just being musical and having lessons and playing my instruments and all of that just became like a very obvious path for me.

So you play instruments?

Yeah. Well, yes. I used to play the saxophone. That was my biggest one. I played that for maybe 30, 20, 25 years. Okay. And I used to be a jazz singer. And, you know, I guess I still am a saxophone player and a jazz singer. It's just I haven't done it for many years, but that is my favorite thing to do.

So how did you learn? I mean, did you learn sort of the conventional way with sheet music and that sort of stuff? Was it more by.

Yea, yeah, for me it was sheet music and I got.

To say.

Some things like for example, maths or science, it's like Chinese to me. I just don't, I've never been able to make sense of it. My own children can work out maths problems better than I can, and they're only in primary school. But when it came to reading music and understanding the theory of music, that's kind of like so if if maths and science were Chinese, music was English like it just made sense. And so now I have something to me that was so organic to learn without didn't cause any troubles. I didn't have to try too hard. It wasn't a conflicting thing for me. It just made it such an enjoyable and empowering sort of modality to specialising, I guess.

So it also came naturally to you, almost like, you know, it was it was sort of a natural sort of inclination to just sort of get into it.

Yeah, I think so. I tried having piano lessons a couple of times when I was a kid. I think that's the first thing, you know, when you little the first thing that you gravitate towards is piano lessons. But I tried that and quit twice and I just wasn't into it. And I kept saying to my mum, I just want to play the saxophone, I just wanna play saxophone. So when I was 11, we, I think we rented a saxophone and guy. Give it a go and that was it. I just played it every day for the rest of my life until I had kids. And then my my priorities changed and my my time that I had to myself changed and all of that. Yes, it did come easily to me. I think.

That's okay. Yeah, that'd be that'd be naturally sort of drawn to anything that sort of turns you on, as it were. So what about actually kind of finding music therapy as a thing, if you like? I mean, it was an experience you were having almost, you know, organically. But what about finding it as a maybe a professional, some to study or something to kind of find your head on?

Yeah, well, I've never heard of music therapy until I was. I know. Maybe, I guess it was when I was finishing school, I still didn't know what I wanted to be and what I wanted to do. You know, the only thing that really came easily to me and that I enjoyed and was music, but I thought, I don't want to be a music teacher because I just don't want to be a teacher. And I thought, I don't want to be a performer because, well, I'm not good enough and I don't want to rehearse all the time. And and so I was like, what else is there in the music world if you're not a performer teacher? And then, you know, I don't remember where I first heard about music therapy, but it was somewhere around the time I was finishing school and I didn't even know what it was at the time. But as soon as I heard the words music therapy, I was like, Oh, that's, that's me. And you know, when I apply. So I did a Bachelor of Music and a Bachelor of Education, and then I went on to do a master of music therapy. So I spent six years at uni that.

Time.

When I before when I applied for my master of music therapy, I applied in a couple of different places in Australia and New Zealand and I really did not expect to get in because there were only at that point in Brisbane where I studied, they were only accepting eight people into the master of music therapy and I thought, no way. And so when they called me to say, We'd love to have you on board, and then New Zealand the next day called me and said, We'd love to have you on board. I just about fell over. It was really exciting.

And for people listening in today, you touched on earlier that you weren't sort of officially diagnosed with autism till you're 36 and this is all pre that diagnosis. So in a sense, the people that were taking you on didn't know about the autism.

And. No, no, I don't.

Think that's important as such. But I'm in pain with my blessing and might think, oh, how did you get sort of maybe through some of those, you know.

Invisible barriers? Yeah. You know, I still had nightmares. I still have nightmares about university. I still have nightmares about not knowing when my thesis is due or not being told I needed to do something. Or I have these nightmares about how I sort of knew that I was meant to go to the tutorials, but no one really explained it clearly enough and I didn't really know understand what they meant. And so I knew that all of those years at uni, even though they I've benefited from them and I loved them and there was a lot of good I absolutely had difficulties and struggles that I wasn't aware of at the time. I just assumed it was that hard for everyone. But they've stuck with me because I still have you know, I almost went back to do a PhD this year and in the end I was like, Oh, I just can't do that. That environment is not going to be healthy for me to.

Being a doctor.

Well, I mean.

I still can't.

But that was one of the reasons I wanted to do aged. Just like to be called Dr. Ali.

We'll call you Dr. Ali from now on. Anyway, you can be straight, Ali. So what about getting work as a music therapist? Was that an easy thing? Because I guess like even speaking personally, I've kind of spoken to people who do music therapy over the years, so we kind of got a rough idea of what it is. And I mean, I guess music therapy had the three words put together. We kind of understand it. What about sort of establishing yourself as a as a career or getting that first break? How did that happen?

That's really interesting. And it's not something we really learned about when we were studying. But, you know, there are some places in Australia where they do have music therapy jobs, for example, some of the bigger hospitals in Melbourne, Sydney. And yes, there will be a team of music therapists and you can apply for a job and be employed as a music therapist. But for most places in Australia there are no actual music therapy jobs that will employ you. So you sort of have to be your own business, a sole trader or a registered company or work it out. And so, so when I finished I came back to Tasmania and I just, I remember calling a nursing home and saying, hey, I'm a music therapist now. Would you like music therapy at your nursing home? They said, Oh yes, please, we'd love 4 hours a week. And I started going in 2 hours on a Tuesday, 2 hours on Thursday. And because I live in a small regional area, what happened was I got a phone call from another nursing home and they've told me, you do music that can we have. Music therapy and all of a sudden word spread. And I was, you know, in five nursing homes along the coast. And then school started calling and saying, can you come and work with our little learners and our early intervention stuff? And so for me, because I lived in a really small community, it happened quite organically, which is nice.

Now we know we, you know, we loved you, but I mean, I guess so. Part of it was basic therapy was you, I would say.

Oh, thanks.

But you know what I mean? Like, it's not just the fact I do music therapy, all my experience that this all started it. But I mean, that the the personal sort of the energy, the personal, spiritual side of it has to come to it as well.

Thank you. I think so as well. And that's actually part of, you know, we had to do a interview to get into to to do the master music therapy. And now very clear that part of what they look for in the interview is just someone that's communicative and can really engage in a human way organically and enjoyably easily, I guess, or smoothly. Because as a therapist, it's, you know, it's it's very psychology based. But you also you need to just have that personal capacity to engage and facilitate meaningful interactions with people. So yeah, that's definitely an important part of it.

Well, as Dr. it's kind of your read quote unquote bedside manner, isn't it? It's your relationship with the patient because you can have really good doctors who are terrible as far as that that bedside manner guys are all there are, though. They're not appearing to be very caring, even though they're obviously they're very, very good at what they do, what they got, you know, 99.95 at university and breezed through and passed with flying colors. But in a sense, that's not really what they cut out to do. You know, when it comes to that sort of, you know, person centered approach.

Yeah. And one of the great things about being a music therapist is that so for example, if I was working in a hospital or a nursing home, I used to do a lot of work in dementia care and also in your rehabilitation at the hospital. When I turn up, people smile and that because I'm not there to change their bed sheets or like do something painful, give them needles or anything that's uncomfortable. Everything that my job is to do is enjoyable and fulfilling and meaningful. So it's lucky just by being a music therapist that I'm already sort of favored by patients because my presence in the room never means, Oh no, they're going to feed me something I don't like, or they're going to make me do this now. So I already have that. Music therapists already have that little perk of being loved because of the nature of music, which makes that they're not personable, sort of bedside manner already. It's it's already engaging because the other person is wanting it as well.

And that music therapy would, quote unquote, work probably even better because of that relationship.

Yeah, absolutely. The relationship between the therapist and the client is the most, from my perspective, is the most important part of any therapeutic experience, because the outcomes and the goals don't really matter. They're just there because that's what the organizations want to see. They want to see change. But from my perspective, having a meaningful interaction or a really fulfilling experience is all that matters in the in the moment. And you need it. You need a good relationship to make that to to facilitate that.

Well, we love it every moment you spend with us. Thank you so much for just giving us a little thumbnail sketch of what you're about it. We feel like we do know you a little bit better, but nothing. I thought you were. Oh, I see. Thank you for doing that. Now people can find out more about you and experience some of your wonderful work through you. Cherry Blossom Diaries dot com you and what other social media tool we talk about next month will find a reason to talk about something again. Thank you so much for coming up. And I'm sure there'll be people listening in today that might have autism or might have family members with autism. And I think that can draw a lot of strength, a lot of comfort from the things that you've said today, because, you know, if you've been diagnosed with something, be at the age of six months or 36 years as you were, you can still make very good a lot of your life. So you're proving that every minute that you're with us. So thank you for that.

My pleasure. Thanks, Peter.

Alison DAVIES from Music and the Brain and Other Areas. If you're to find out more about Alli, Alison DAVIES dot com. Today you're listening to Vision.

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It's been a very big week for people involved with childhood dementia. Let's find out a bit more about it and speak to a lady who looks after quality and care. That child of dementia. Gayle Hilton. Gayle, lovely to meet you. Thanks so much for your time.

Thanks for having me on the show, Peter.

It has been a very important waiting. Must have been up until not so long ago. I didn't even know that. Childhood dementia. Existed. That's not a common approach or common comment.

It really is greater. That's what we hear from most people who we talk to about childhood dementia, and there's good reason for that. This is a world first organisation here in Australia and the huge focus of our work is around raising awareness of this little known corner of children's health and childhood dementia. Is is a broad term that encompasses more than 70 rare genetic conditions that before us and before this work have really been considered sort of in their individual silos, I guess, as individual diseases that impact, you know, relatively few people if you look at each disease separately. And so there's been very little attention on on these conditions. But by looking at what happens for children and looking at this at the progressive brain damage that they experience, which is dementia, and we are creating a whole lot more awareness because this actually impacts one in 2800 children born and there's around 2300 children in Australia currently living with a condition that causes childhood dementia. So it's actually a very significant issue in this country.

We're often heard with older people with dementia. Sometimes it can be quite a bit of time before it can be diagnosed. What about with childhood dementia is a similar.

Absolutely, yes. So we what we believe is that there's around a typical sort of diagnosis journey will take around 18 months, and that's from when a parent first starts to see some significant symptoms to a formal diagnosis. We also know that it can take many years for some families to and that there's often a series of misdiagnoses in that process. And and that, of course, can be hugely distressing for families who know that something is going on for their child. And often families also report that they're not really being listened to or taken seriously through some of that process. And that's something we really want to focus on and change by raising awareness of these conditions that this needs to be something that needs to be taken into consideration as a as a potential cause of some of the symptoms that are being seen.

You mean by the medical profession?

Yes. Yes, absolutely. And, you know, before calling these group of conditions, childhood dementia is understandable, let alone any of the causes of childhood dementia, very rare. But by bringing them together, they become a lot less rare. And so we are hopefully being able to provide a level of understanding and awareness for health professionals for them to consider this group of conditions as a whole.

What about as far as its possible causes go? Was that kind of early on?

You know, childhood dementia. Childhood dementia is caused by 70 genetic conditions. So these are conditions that impact the brain and the brain and then in due course will impact other bodily functions. So, you know, the progressive brain damage that happens as a result of these genetic disorders is what leads to the dementia and ultimately aspects of the body shutting down. And all of these conditions are life limiting. So the progressive brain damage will result ultimately in the body not being able to stay alive. So rare genetic conditions, but by bringing them all together, it's a lot less rare.

So what sort of age for a child be diagnosed then?

So then every child is different and every story of trials, dementia is unique, very much like ageing dementia. What tends to happen is that the earlier a child demonstrates some symptoms, then often that means that the more rapid the disease progression happens. So children might be diagnosed at very early infancy and even die in the first year of life. So what can happen, and more commonly, I think, is that children don't make some of the key developmental milestones around those sort of ages of three or four or five. And the parents might raise some concerns then and start that diagnostic odyssey as we describe it. And there are also some children who are not diagnosed or they show no symptoms until they're in their young adulthood. And then they they might some symptoms might appear out of the blue at that stage. So it does differ from child's and child.

Go to the summit about your role. I mean, it's obviously very, very important when you talk about care, what does your role involve and what sort of services are out there?

Yeah, very good question. So I guess at the heart of everything that we do as an organisation is, is what we describe as a lived experience and that's the family voice. So my role is bringing together families on this. What is happening for them. And we do that by listening and for focus groups. And what we also are working hard to do is to ensure that research in formal evidence starts to document what the experience is for families. So we know that there is a huge burden of care for the caregivers, and we also know that the current health and social care systems aren't really responding in the best ways possible to meet those needs. So I guess my work is all about making people aware of what's going on for families, evidencing that, and then advocating for seeing changes and improvements in systems of care.

It's a tough gig, isn't it? Because, I mean, generally if you're a service provider or if you are taking care of people with X condition, it's kind of, well, everyone knows what that condition is. So you're trying to get the best services. You got to try and convince people that there's such a thing first and then you need services to sort of follow on from that.

Yes, you're spot on, basically. That's exactly it. So we we have created in the course of the course of the last few months some awareness, resources and for health care professionals and service providers that are available on our website. And some of those are actual videos of families describing their experience themselves. And there's nothing more valuable, I think, of understanding exactly what the journey is like from a family perspective. But yes, we need to describe childhood dimension to a whole range of different stakeholders, including the adult dementia space. You know, we really see that childhood dementia should be on the dementia old dementia policy and responded to accordingly. And we excitingly have seen some services expand dementia support Australia who have always provided service to ageing dementia patients, have expanded their services to children as well and that's been incredibly well received by this group.

I mean this in the most sensitive way possible and the question might not come out right. But given the fact that it's genetically induced, if you like, for the future public, it's a bit of hope because there's so much work going on in that space, not just for dementia, but in all sorts of conditions. All the reason I say I tried to ask the question is obviously it's very little consolation for those with the children with it at the moment.

Absolutely. And I mean, some of the clinical trials that are emerging are based around gene therapy, you know, real cutting edge science. And that is what is going to make a difference to this group of conditions. But what we are worried about here at the Childhood Dementia Initiative is is driving large scale funding into this space and advocating for more clinical trials for Australian children to be able to access clinical trials. Many of those are happening overseas and as you say, gene therapy might well be some of the most promising therapies that are yet to come. So we would like to see much, much more of that and more attention, more funding given to this group of disorders.

Well, a slightly controversial question, but not really. What about in terms of government recognition of this sort of condition? I mean, there's a lot of work that goes on around things like the NDIS, etc. and youngsters with autism and so on. What about in this sort of space and government kind of recognition of the conditions?

So we have certainly had some really good conversations with government around recognition of these sort of conditions. And actually the Department of Health opened the first manifest ground for research earlier this year dedicated specifically to childhood dementia. So there has been some initial progress, but there's so much more to do. And I think that's the encouraging the encouraging reason to get behind this cause and this organisation. I think pressure is that all of the conversations we have just indicate that there is much more to do and that people are behind driving progress in this space. So yes, government still a lot more to do, but we have seen the beginnings of some great work.

Fantastic. Now, during the week, Wednesday, the 21st was a big day for you to just a bit about that and also the the face it campaign. I know it's a it's a lovely sort of way to sort of be captured.

In the sense.

It's a bit unusual, isn't it? So when we actually started that campaign back in 2021, which was our first childhood dementia day, and we thought it was appropriate to claim a day at the Trials of Dementia and Dementia Awareness Week. And yes, essentially this is the Facebook campaign is it's an opportunity for adults to paint their faces, which, of course, happens once in a blue moon, if ever. But what we found is that it's about, you know, it's about childhood and the playfulness of children. But also an adult with their face painted is actually quite shocking and and grabs attention. And that's what we wanted to do, is we wanted to find a way that people could sort of demonstrate their support for childhood dementia, raise awareness and grab attention. And that's why we sort of had the tagline, you know, it's time to face it. And, you know, the play on words, they're about painting your face. Get involved, face it. But it's also time to face it that childhood dementia needs some action.

Because it's a lovely double entendre, as I say, and, you know, very much captures it in a sense it's confronting. But I mean, the condition is confronting. I mean, one could only imagine how the family would feel when they're given that diagnosis. I mean, as you say, they probably suspect that something's not quite right along the way. But when that diagnosis comes through, it must be harrowing.

Absolutely. I don't think any family, you know, even if you have suspicions that something is going on with your child, that that means that they're not following the standard trajectory of development or, you know, I don't think anyone expects to come out of the doctor's office with the diagnosis of a life limiting condition. And and it's not simply that, you know, the child will ultimately die and 75% of these children will die before the age of 18. But it's that they have a very long, protracted death, I suppose. One one mother described it as watching your child die in slow motion. And, you know, it's what these families, what's required of these families and the level of care that they provide and and what they need to do to advocate for their children and their child or children. They're all families with more than once diagnosed. You know what they are required to do over a number of years to make that child's quality of life the best possible is just huge. But the resilience that we see from families and their perspective on life and how much they give to their children is also incredibly inspirational and something that we try our best to celebrate as well with.

The awareness day in a sense is passed, but that's okay because this message lives on for a long, long time to come. If people do want to find out more, give us some details that we can go to a website, etc.. We'll put that up on our Facebook page as well so people can get it from there if they miss it right now. And also to be good, go to catch up with again in the future because obviously we've just scratched the surface. It's a very sobering message, but sites are important, so how can we find out more?

Thanks, Chris. That would be great. So the best place to go is our website, which is WW W dot childhood dementia dot org. And we are also really active on social media because progress is vast and what we're doing, which is great and we are keeping people up to date on both LinkedIn and Facebook and Instagram and YouTube, which we have a series of videos up there, one of which which is a story of a beautiful girl who has childhood dementia, a teenager. And we have just had 2 million views. But I really encourage you to go and have a look at that. It's it's quite upsetting, but it really gives you a sense of what child's dimension could do to a to a young person.

Just go to that website again. Thanks Gail.

W WW W Childhood dementia dot org.

Gal thank you. Keep up the good work and we'll speak again for sure.

Many times to take a.

Go to there from the Childhood Dementia Initiative. What a very important message. And it's never too late to punch ify, so maybe go to help raise some awareness and help raise some funds. Well, it's always fantastic. And we know you love it. Read about this time, the last Sunday of each month to catch up with the young.

Lady, a.

Younger expert. Riva Bros. Riva, welcome again.

Hello, Peter. Well, you've been doing.

Stuff over the last months when you're going through some of the the systems in the body and the last few times you've been going through some of the glands.

Is there the part of the endocrine system of the body? And last month we did the hypothalamus and security gland, and now we're going to do the pineal gland. Okay. The new gland is a small pinecone shape, and that's where it names come from. It's located in the middle of the brain, and it has the largest blood supply for its weight of any organ in the body. And it's best known by one of the hormones it secretes, which is melatonin. In yoga, it's known as the third eye or the sixth chakra, H2O. And that is just loaded a little just down a little bit from the center of the forehead is not directly between the high brow eyebrows. It's just up a little bit there in the center if. But anyway, let's get back to melatonin. The facts and functions. And this is for humans, animals. This applies to animals to a certain degree. Now it protects against damage by free radicals. It's a very effective antioxidant. It contributes to setting the body's biological clock. More melatonin is released in darkness and during sleep. It has been suggested as the primary cause of seasonal affective disorder. That sad is a type of depression characterized by changes in mood, eating habits and sleeping patterns which can develop during winter in people who live at high latitudes with sunshine is scarce or lacking. Then there is bright light therapy, which is repeated exposure. Repeated exposure to artificial light may or can provide relief from sad from that seasonal affective disorder. So that's just a little bit of theory therapy there that can happen to people. Now, it's still unclear whether melatonin influences human repressed reproductive functions and melatonin levels are higher in children and decline with age into adulthood. So that's all about melatonin. Part of that is the Neil Glenn. That's just one of the hormones that it releases. We go to the practical, simple and the pose of a child. No precautions, knees, condition, because we're going to be kneeling and the head is going forward and down and you're going to be holding down. So if people get a bit of lightheaded or dizziness from that or vertigo, they just need to be very careful. So you knew sitting on your body, arms loosening alongside. Now make sure you're on a comfortable surface to now take a breath in the breathing out slowly, lower the top of your body onto your thighs, bringing your forehead onto the feel and just the forehead. And that's where our pineal gland is. Your arms back alongside your legs, palms facing up and keep your buttocks down as much as you can. Hold breathing slowly, quietly, in and out for three breaths or even more, up to six, if you like. And it's all very calm and quiet. And then when you're doing that now, to come out of the pose, take a breath, then slowly keep your head down and slowly raise the trunk of the body to this start position. So you're sitting back on you who was again and then raise your head and let the breath out. They can repeat that about twice more. Now, I'll give some hints here for people. You can open this up. It all is. It feels more comfortable when you take the chest down, the stronger the body onto your thighs. If your forehead doesn't touch the floor, you can make a fist of both hands and place one on top of the other two rested all or even just. Some people might only need the one fist. If you're using one fist, just wrap the other hand around it softly. You can rest on a pillow or a folded towel spit. You can place a fold it underneath the ankles for comfort. You work out for yourself what is best for you to make yourself nice and comfortable. Now the benefits it stretches the spine so hips and ankles increases blood circulation to your head. And that's the brain, of course, relaxes, calms your mind releasing anxiety and fatigue. That's very important. It's got compression on you. And the intestines can activate activate digestion, and it brings tension relief to the lower back muscles, chest, shoulders and hamstrings, because you're not putting any not really stretching at all. And that's why we let the arms just rest back alongside your legs, serve the palms up so that so the about the pineal gland and the melatonin, the hormone. And if you like, I'll go back through the practical to the pose of the child once again.

Okay.

New thing on your body, your arms loosely along side, you have the palms up on those when you take the arms. But take a break in the breathing out slower, lower the trunk of your body onto your thighs. So you're bending the spine a little bit as you're going forward and down and you bring the forehead onto the floor and they show us as far as you don't want the crown of the head. And that's why the suggestion of, you know, one fist or two fists, one on top of the other or, you know, folded towel can be a benefit for you. You need to be comfortable, keep your buttocks down as much as you can. You hold their breathing slowly and quietly in and out for three breaths or even go a little bit longer, if you like, up to six breaths. And it come ahead of the pose. Take a breath in. Just slowly and at the same time, remember, you keep your head down here, so you just slowly raise in the trunk of the body to the start position. So you're sitting back on your buttocks and then let your head come up. But the purpose of doing that is so that you don't get dizzy or lightheaded at all. As I said before, you can repeat it a couple times more. And once again, it's very relaxing comes your mind and releases that angst, anxiety, etc. that so often, you know, we feel pressured and what you might have and it's a good one to practice before you go to sleep as well. If you have difficulty with sleeping, this one can help you there.

Okay. So to be a good one to do, sort of almost just before going to bed.

Yes, you have to combine that into particularly the agenda. Chopra You know, that ties in with the pineal gland.

And as I was saying before, and when.

You hold it, if you look out and you've got the forehead down there, you can just imagine, you know, the new gland is there and you know, you're helping it.

And I think that was a very good tip about the fact that you can use a pillow source and tell if you perhaps find it a little bit difficult to get your head right down to the floor if you use a pillow or a towel. Was indeed you mentioned if there is one or two things, you.

Need to be careful. You need to look after your own body and even see with the position that the feet are in your buttocks and that's putting weight into there. And that's, again, the suggestion for a towel under the ankles or even under your feet at something is up to you what you can do and make yourself as comfortable as you can. That is important.

These are very practical tips that you talk about, Reeva, because we've all got pillows. We've all got towels. So, you know, we don't really be spending need to be spending a lot of money to have things that can make it a bit more comfortable.

Use what's around you, basically what you've got on hand. Yeah. Another thing too is opening the eyes in little bit. People can feel uncomfortable with the chest. You know that part of the inter style stomach going forward and sometimes it's okay for pregnancy. This one. That's why you can open your thighs that little bit for when that baby bump gets, you know, that little bit bigger. So it's always suggestions is this is up to you be your comfort you know.

And rebate terms in general terms it's probably best to do yoga away from food. You don't want to just 18 before doing any of these yoga postures. Is that a fair thing to say away from food?

Yes.

Yeah, yeah. If people want to contact you for some one on one, you can give them some advice. How can we get in touch with you?

My mobile 0412866096.

Wherever that is. September out of the way. So well, we're now in spring. So October obviously the next time we catch up with you the last Saturday in October. Thank you so much for being such a very important part of our program.

Thank you, Peter. And thank you to all the listeners as well.

Brigid Brice there, our yoga expert who joined spread about this time the last month. Now, Reeve has been practicing and teaching yoga for many, many years. So if you're looking for someone to get some good tips about yoga and the best way that it can help you or members of your family. 0412866096 Previous taught at organisations like WTA and other institutions that does a lot of work with culture cancel on the ageing. So we've very much a community minded person who loves to help out and I don't mention this often enough probably, but with our regular guest that we have on lately, they all do it for absolutely nothing. They give up their time. They are professionals in their own right. They give up their time to speak to us. And we really do really appreciate that. And Riva Brice is certainly one of those very, very valued and important guests. I go to contact Riva 0412860963 budget to spend about this time the last Saturday of each month.

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Be joy chatting with rehab management over a number of days on this program. Do some fantastic work. We think they're pretty good. They think they're pretty good, but I reckon when they get recognised with awards it confirms it all that speak to their general manager. And I thought I'd love to speak to you again.

Hi Peter. Thanks for having me on the program again.

And congratulations are. I know this is something I guess you do believe in what you do. And I know speaking to people like myself over the years very, very passionate about what you do. But guess what? It's recognized that that must be oh so reassuring and reaffirming.

Absolutely. And it's sort of where a very good people centred business. And I'm very proud of the people that work with us and proud of the programs we have, not just for our customers, but for our for our people and employees as well.

I know chatting before coming to air, you said we're actually in the running for a few votes. Tell us about this one that I thought was particularly good, particularly in the area of the health industry, of the health sector.

So the best place to work was amazing. Amazing, I guess acknowledgement of rehab management and the array group has to the programs that we put on for our people, you know, being super innovative and challenging the status quo, but ultimately supporting the people that deliver our services for us every day.

So it's a bit about some of the things that make you work well or why you work so well because I guess, you know, you can have the right heart if you like or really want to do well, but you've got to have the skills and I guess the philosophy is the culture. There's lots of moving parts to something like this.

Absolutely. But I think it really goes back to our vision, our mission and the purpose for why we do what we do every day. And we've just actually launched our purpose statement at the Arabia Group, which is enabling lives together, but it ties into the things that the purpose, the why of why we do what we do. And it ties into our vision around being, you know, the number one workplace rehab provided, not necessarily for us from a size, but to deliver the best outcomes for our people and our customers. And that spreads through everything that we do down to our values around making people centric, innovation driven, quality oriented, dynamic and agile. And then the things that we live and breathe every day. And we that sort of acid point that we come back to in terms of all of the decisions that we make from a service delivery perspective, as well as taking care and making sure that we've got the best employee experience as.

Well and people that join you, I guess they get imbued if you'd like, if that's chime with that kind of philosophy, with that sort of.

Culture, yeah, that's it feeds through everything that we do. And I guess going back to our values every day and you know, using that to guide our decision making process as well. But that's what people that join our organisation can can definitely expect when they come on board with rehab management and the Ariba Group.

It's interesting because obviously, you know, when you're sort of meeting people socially that often, the first question is what do you do? As in what's your job? And if you're not working, it's kind of a conversation stopper in a sense. But, you know, particularly for people who are injured or paper disabilities and getting back to work, if you like, that is such an important thing to be able to do that both financially and I guess emotionally. And I guess, you know, why is it that such a thing or just self-esteem wise?

I think work plays a very big part of our lives. And it's, you know, it's what enables us or allows us to support our family, support, support our communities. And, you know, at the end of the day, we spend a lot of our time at work. So we want to make sure that we're sort of productive and happy while we're there as well.

What about as far as the cost of getting people back to work or maybe the cost of not getting people back to work that runs into the billions? I mean, I guess maybe one shouldn't be surprised. But when you hear the number and it's it's tens of billions, it's quite startling in a sense.

And it's some it's that financial cost, which is that the direct cost spike, if you've got somebody that's injured themselves at work and they can't go back to work, so you're paying wages for that person while they're recovering. But it's also those indirect costs as well in terms of that can impact an employee and employer's culture as well, like the extra demands for other people that are having to support. Well, somebody isn't able to do that that they role in its entirety as well.

And the impact that can have on things like mental health and just, you know, feeling good about oneself and know your family members, your friends, those around you as well. When you talk about 60 billion in a sense, but you probably can't put a price on that, do I?

Absolutely not. Which is why, you know, we have managed per workplace, we have providers. But the evidence really shows that if you get, you know, engage in workplace where they have provided to support the return to work or an employee returning back into the workplace after an injury, not only does it cost less at the end of the day, but it means that there's a, I guess, to foster a more sustainable return to work outcome, because we're really taking into consideration that person what they can do, how they can support their employer. About how their employer can support them as well in that recovery process. And it does really reduce the ongoing not just the direct cost, but those sort of indirect costs associated with not having an injured worker, injured employee of black as well.

How important is that sustainability? Because I guess, as you say, back at work for a week and then all of a sudden things go pear shape. That's that doesn't help anyone. It probably does. More detriment than good and sustainability. Yes.

Yeah, absolutely. So. And that's, you know, really sometimes getting a workplace rehab provider in that understands the diagnosis and the symptomology of that person. And they can really then provide that clinical guidance, I guess, to the employer as well as the employee around the safe return to work and making sure that, you know, a lot of people think, oh, I can go back to work tomorrow, I'll be fine. Or the employer maybe doesn't understand the injury and we go back to it quickly. That can be actually really detrimental to the recovery process and the the outcome that's achieved at the end. At the end at the end of the day, really. So it's about having sustainable return to work that really works in line with the person's values, but also their diagnosis, their symptoms and what the workplace can offer as well, and provides that additional support which leads to a more sustainable outcome.

And I think we got something like 25, 26, 27 million people, Australians that are all of working age, but it's a rate that's about 500,000, about half a million people that potentially could be in this sort of category.

Absolutely. At any one sort of given time, because it's not just worker's compensation. You might have people returning back into the workplace after a motor vehicle accident or even returning back into work when they're seeking, you know, payments through an income protection claim if they've had an illness like a cancer or something like that, and they've had a considerable amount of time of work and then returning back into the workplace as well. Whilst we don't want injury or illness to impact us, unfortunately it does. And you know those stats that you provided, they are quite real in terms of the number of people that can be impacted in terms of that return to work price in real illness.

Yeah. And again, if it's not, you might be your your partner or you your parent or your child. I mean, that's again, when you're talking about one people and one person 50 roughly as far as the Australian population goes, I mean you're probably going to be knowing someone that's going to be affected or potentially being affected.

Exactly. Exactly.

So what do you think we've learnt over the last few years as far as maybe being better all round to be able to sort of accept people and then prepare people and accept people back into work after things like this? Yeah.

It's a really good question. I think what we've learnt is that early intervention so you know, referring a claim through or somebody through for support early on will always get it should always get a better outcome for that person and them and their employer. What we've learnt over the years that even though return to work rates haven't necessarily changed a lot in the last 15 to 20 years across different sort of compensation schemes, what we have learned is it's really important to make sure that our return to work planning is really focused on the individual and understanding, you know, what their diagnosis is, what their injury is, but also making sure that we're tailoring our services or tailoring that return to work to that person and what really matters to them to be able to get that outcome. Really, it's really important to make sure that everyone's on board. You know, everyone that's impacted by that employee being off work and they've got a really sort of clear plan that everybody understands what that plan is. There's no real value in having a worker that has a plan and an employer, as you know, has a very different expectation. So what we found what we found in the research is it's really important to have that really clear recovery plan that all parties, you know, the doctor, the work in their family members, if that is required, the employer really across that plan and goals and tracking towards those goals collaboratively together.

Well, congratulations again on your ward and well done. All the great work that you're doing. I mean, now employment is, as I say, very, very important. I mean, we hear about how low the unemployment numbers are. But I guess by the same token, if you're a person trying to get back into the workforce, in a sense those numbers don't really mean much to you. Keep up the good work now, people, to find out more about the great work that you do and maybe check out a few more awards that that might be in the next few days. So how can we get in touch.

You can definitely touch base through our website rehab management dot com dot aew. Terrific.

We're not going to catch up again. Congratulations. This is very reaffirming with respect to people like you and you get recognised with the words we think, oh yes, they do walk the talk, which is obviously tremendous. Well done to you and all those that we have. Measure, keep up the great work. Wonderful.

Thanks, Peter. Thanks for having me on the program again.

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A couple of quotes before we go. Rebecca Younger set one through back of course with access to us. Bex quote is Life is about making an impact, not making an income. So thanks bec for sending that through. And now law has said well kind of acquired through Eleanor says, I hate it when my iPad doesn't work and my tech person falls asleep. They are five years old and it's past bedtime. So thanks, Eleanor, for sending your quote through. I'm sure you can identify with that. I'm sure many can identify with that. Now, some news stories we mentioned on Wednesday evening, hopefully Monday it will be passed and Thursday gazetted that telephone voting for this year's local government elections will be available for people in South Australia who are blind or have low vision from October 14th that gets under way. So more details as they come to hand. But all being well, that will happen this week. And beyond blindness. They've got their AGM coming up on Saturday, October the 22nd at.

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Some birthdays before we go. Happy birthday to Ben Weeks champion wheelchair tennis player ranked very, very highly so happy birthday to you Ben Colley France and having a birthday I pass. Winner of this challenge scholarship. Happy birthday to you, Carly. Natalie White having a birthday. That, of course, was a regular guest on our program for a number of years. So happy birthday to you. Not from equality lawyer. So I'm sure you're still doing great work in the community and speaking about doing great work in the community. Morgan Carter Having your birthday was a mighty advocate for Bandanna Day and Canteen turned 26, was turned to greener pastures and is still doing great work in the community. So happy birthday to you. Morgan Hope life is going very.

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