Hey, everybody, it's me and Matt Rogers, one of the hosts of the show, and I just want to tell you that Game Show is out now on Quimby. You can watch all eight episodes and one of them even features Boon Yang. So head over to Quimby right now. There's an I dy Day free trial still in effect, So get your Quimby on and watch Game Show. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Oh god, I really appreciate it. I need this so bad. You have no idea I'm not doing well. Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's Ding Dong's calling. And I have to say, already there's a front runner for title and mapp there's a front runner for a title. App. Well, I know that there's one key word that's going to be operative already. This word is floating around in the air, is making me feel tickled, and it is making me feel absolutely full of laughs. And that word I can reveal at this time is king. Well, you know what that word. It kind of fills me with a melancholy too. Can I explain why I would like you to go on and keep keep going speaking, and when you speak, explain why we're talking about this word king and why it means something to you, and the listeners should care. The listeners should care. Here's why the readers, the readers. I don't know when this really started. We have to get our guests into this conversation very soon post taste. She it's what we call each other work and then when you know, it just stuck. And now truly the I'm going to say something crazy. The thing I miss most from the before, from the before is your king is Mike King, not even just my king. Is the sound and the acoustics down the hallway at at our place of work. And it's just hearing her say the words king and I I miss it so and I can't wait to hear that word in person from her. From well, you know that oftentimes people say the expression, um, well your family is my family? Like, how what's this question? Well, any any friend of so and so is is a friend of mine? There it is. I found it. So I've personally feel and personally believe that if we're going by that expression, and we are, especially rotal culture number ten, we are going that expression that this person is guest this king is also my family and my friend and my king. Yes, you are her king, she is your king. I mean I haven't just heard this from you. I've heard this from studio as well, that there's a new king in town and oh she is the ones and future and past king. Oh wow. And I had that she's the ones present future King, the ones in future King. So I had known of our guests from her storied performance career, because this is a U C B L A vet, this is a JFL that and a JFL VET even and a CBS City Showcase that. So there's many avenues that I that I was familiar with this person. And then this individual of this king came to national recognition on the program Saturday Night Live, which is a beloved actually sketch comedy program that airs live from New York City, and it's sketch comedy and you're on it, yes, I am, in fact, And it's run for many years, more than twelve years, more than twelve years, and she has been on it for two seasons. And I gotta say like she is a very present person at the office. I'm just saying that people have already bowed to the king that's actually good because you know what can happen when the when the subject don't bow, you get a storming of the best deal happening. That's exactly why beast deal happened. Now are you? Are you impressed with me that I knew about the storming of the best Deal? I am impressed. I know about it because of a tweet by Padma Lakshmi, she said, And I am gonna do an impression of her, and I'm just storm the best deal my daughters. She wants to be a pop star when she goes up. I don't I don't know why these are These impressions are done with love. Now, she said. She tweeted, let's storm the best Deal, and I said, I think I remember that from ap European history, and I looked it up and wouldn't you know it, it was a uh topical pressiant reference. Because we are not doing well in this United States of America and you know in France they once had to storm the best deal. And so I think that Podma was actually advocating for a rush of the White House. So you can take that up with her. I'm not saying that we go to Washington and and cause violence. I'm saying that we cook some go to sour doughs at home. You do you have a better pod my impression than me. Well, you know this is my pot man, And you know I've always I've always been, you know, a political person. But you know it's not really appropriate for Top Chef. And we actually do Top Chef in different cities. Is every every year we do every season. I should say, rather we do Top Chef and as different you know city, and you know the culture of that city really does you know, it really does influence the contestinants and the food and you know, I definitely you know, you can say I go for it when I'm in this day, I try all the food. I eat everything. I ate everything. I'm the only one on that show who eats everything. She's and she can say anything, and she sounds so cool and she's the coolest number one did Yeah, just whatever. She's she's the best, um. But but we're not here to talk about her. Really, we're here to talk about someone. She's the queen. This is the episode for the King. I serve at her pleasure. That's why that's what makes for the King. And I actually do as well, okay, so everyone, welcome into your ears. Go wow, Now that is a damn intro am. I so loud right now. We worry you don't We don't worry actually sorry, because I mean when the king speaks that that actually is one of the many facets of the king. Is the voice rings loud through the King my two kings, and Matt you are also my king, honey. But let me tell you, we have not met. We have not met enough, we have not been able to share each other's company. Sure, sure, sure, but it's just something I know in my spirit and I operate from my spirit place, and that's actually huge and I do as well. Um, and I will say that it's one of the great tragedies of us really switching cities. Can you believe? I believe? And I was? I was. I was too fucked up? Is this a cussing podcast? Okay, good, good, good? I was too fucked up my first season, you know, getting used to life to really to really get to mingle and get to know you King. But I will King, King, other King. Let me tell you this is I've been waiting for this moment, and I said, we're gonna make this happen. As we know, this was supposed to happen. This was supposed to happen quite a few times in the flesh. This is not the only time this will happen. This will happen again. King is part of the Kingdom, truly. Yes, yes, I'm happy to be. This is an honor. By the way, come on, no stop it but you I mean, wait, can we get into the first year that I'm sorry to Like, yeah, just come in and get into it. But anybody, this is the thing. And you two can speak to this better than I, kim, because I have not had to move to a new city and like twelve years at this point, like I forget what that feeling is of like overwhelmed or of just like shock or whatever. Like I'm I'm afraid to do it ever again, I don't know. I didn't think I would have to be like the new kid in life at the age of thirty. Like that was truly like. And I have friends that live in New York, but I work opposite schedules, like my schedules opposite of there, so there's no hanging out. They all live in Brooklyn. I do not. They work in Manhattan, live in Brooklyn. If I don't catch them at like six pm on a week day, it's not happening. So it was truly jarring. And I had a therapist that said, had rest, God rest her soul. Um no, no, she's still allowed. Just run through him. I run through him like a man slanging d So. Uh. This one one of her gems was I could allow myself this past summer. She's like two more in year old life, and I go, you know, I had never considered that. I guess, yeah, you know what, I will do that. How are you doing that? I'm good. I actually love Los Angeles very much, and um, but what it was an adjustment? I mean I think, like, I mean, my thing is like I was such a New York or I lived there for ten years, and then I also grew up on Long Island, so it was like, you know, I didn't I thought I never had to drive again. I really thought I was never leaving New York again. Um, and then getting on the road wasn't adjustment for me. But now I can say confidently that I am a good driver, although I am back to my heavy foot ways. She's got a heavy foot, Yeah, are you a weaver? I missed driving big time. I like to get where I'm going. It's like Mario Kart on these streets. Yes, honestly the only way to drive in l are you guys can't be weavers? That makes me nervous. Don't get in the car then, yeah, you gotta stay out of the car. My best friends always like she she'll send me these memes of driving with me in l A where she's riding in my passenger seat and she's the memes that the memes about, like did you die? Though? Did you die? And she's like, this is driving with you. And she also has said that she has grown to trust my driving, though it is jarring because she lives in Chicago. She's like, so she used to come and visit in l A. She's and she lived there before. But she's like, initially on my visit, I'd be like, oh my god, what are we doing? And then you get She's like, I get used to it because I remember you have really quick reaction time. Yeah, have you ever been in it? Have ever been in a traffic accident? You know, as an adult? One time? Um, and it was I was rear ended. My last basic bastard, truly a bastard who hopped out of his car and said, I'm on my way to my wedding, so like, what do you need? And I was like, what was the first thing he said? First thing he said, He's like, hey, I'm on my way to my wedding day, I gotta get out of here. What do you need? And I was like, oh, okay, Um, so that was funked up my back real good. Um. And you know it's crazy is that you imagine getting rear ended is going to be this thing where it's like everyone came to a quick stop and the person behind you couldn't stop fast enough. It was like, no, I was waiting for someone to park and he wasn't paying attention. And just like, um, so, yes, this episode not my fault. I'm an incredibly good driver. I trust you, and no, I actually consider myself a good driver as well. But if I if any of my high school friends were here right now, they would laugh, laugh down because I actually was not responsible. But I was involved. And I don't know if I've told this on the pod, but when I was eighteen years old, I was getting back from a track meet. But when you know the story, Yes, so I was getting back from a track meet an invitation. It was a Saturday and I was getting into my car. I turned on the radio, made a right hand turn out out onto the road from my high school, and a kid on a bike flew out in front of me and rolled up onto my window and rolled back down. Immediately I stopped. It was like it was like a tapping, but it was truly crazy and I had the right of way at everything. This kid flew out into the street like a true bad at hell. And then I get out of the car panicked. My car is on top of his bike and he had screwed like he had scurried to the side. But I'm telling you, I was like, are you okay? And he was he had He was like holding his knee. He moves his hands out of his knee, his knees fucked up. And then the police came out. Girl, no, I fully hit. I fully hit a kid. And then this was in two eight, bitch, But it wasn't my fault. The kid was literally driving koko bananas, flew out into the middle of the road. And then the people that like were around me were like it was a total accident. He had a green light everything, etcetera, etcetera, and the kid like he wasn't wearing a helmet or anything not that, like I hel well, you should be wearing a helmet. But not to blame on him, but was just truly a freak moment. That's really what I'm here to do, is to just make sure that this kid knows that it was his fault. You got ten miles per hour away from being a Laura Bush to say, Brandy Noville and also Caitlyn Jenner. Let's not forget I was going to Brandy and and Caitlin might have been on the same freeway in l A. Their their situations. I feel like a PC for both of them, and I might have made that up. I think at least one of them was. I mean both of those cases that was vehicular man slaughter. Yeah, I would hate to be I don't know that I'd be okay with self. It's not really their fault, right, but like that is a night, well, yeah, you have to live with that. The best part was that I logged onto Facebook after it happened like that night, and everyone was like um commenting on his on his Facebook, like hey, hope you're okay, Hope you're okay, and so almost like what happened? And the kid put on his Facebook status Matt Rodgers hit me with his car, And that's how you know that Matt was you know a name. I was the high school campus celebrity because I did the morning announcements. I did the morning announcement. This is King, this is King, that's this is King. But this is also a trend I found among people in our little circles, like a lot of comedians and like truly like two thirds of the cast at work, like we're all morning announcements people. I remember doing the day after Britney Spears's VMA performance more, I like signed off and I thought I was being so smart and funny. I was like, have a better day than Britney Spears did yesterday. And it was mortifying and I regret it. And that's my equivalent of vegular manslaughter. Emotionally, I fully pancaked Britney Spears that day. I will never forgive myself. Did you hear about it from the other students, Well, they were like kind fell and that was so funny that you mentioned like back then, like no one like a refined sense of humors that they were just like you referenced a thing and that's funny, like it was the beginning of meme culture and what you did that day. I ran for class president and one of my slogans over the morning announcements was, whoever said progress was a slow process wasn't talking about me, king, But let me tell you something. My teacher, Mr. Spiby, my government teacher, was like, what was that. He's one of my favorite teachers and made me. Mr Spiby just truly was I was like, I can't tell if you're roasting me, if you're genuinely disappointed. That's it was this line. I couldn't tell where he if he was really disappointed or roasting me. And I feel like, you know, I was in high school that that was actually in high school by then, and yeah, the students came to thee but but yeah, they liked it. I just remember being like, oh, that was stupid. That was bad. Mrs. I remember needing to shake it up a little bit because they had us on a really like a like almost like a script, and I would just kind of throw my little ad libs in there, and like I remember the the woman who worked in the main office Ms. Lucas would always kind of give me like an a raised eyebrow, and I remember she would never let me say the Pledge of allegiance because quote unquote she liked to do it. Um, so that's what we're dealing with here. One day, as my sign off, I said, instead of like, have a great day, I said thanks, and have an earth shattering day. And I got called into the principle because he said that, um, we couldn't be having a terrorists like, so this is what like see after two thousand one, right after that, like this is like this is two eight So it was still like everyone was like, oh, hashtag terrorism. So he thought that my earth shattering day was like a dog whistle, and I was like, well, we would hate for someone to hear me and shatter the earth. Were you a little ass hole in school? Bat Well, I'll tell you this. I had my moments. I certainly had my moments, but I was really generally a good kid. I was actually prom king. Oh, actually an actual king king. I mean here's the thing, this is king. When we talk about king, were talking about me, we mean Matt Rogers. I was doing like all American boy drag. I I was homecoming king, but I king. I got in a lot of trouble. Now that I think back on high school, this is a this is the thing that I've tried to erase for my pastors that I've gotten in a lot of trouble. Got suspended, he wore a scarlet letter. I never got suspended. Trips in the principal's office, but never suspended. You get five days oss. I got five day out of school suspension for criminal criminal. Here's what happened. This was April two thousand four, freshman year of high school. Wow, a young criminal, young criminal. Um, young criminal, good criminal, good criminal. I'm going to have to suspend that one. We um just got our yearbooks and I was in the closet, but like kind of just like key keying with with the girls, the literal siss girls of corks, of of the of the grade of corks. And then one of them, Um, we don't necessarily need full and full. First, I was going to say, is this a cast where we dropped first and last actually first and last names, And I'm like, okay, that girl's burned. Well, I'm positive that I'm positive that first name was Ashley. Okay, So here. Here's what happened. She had a stepfather who was this huge, huge lawyer. I don't know what kind of law but this big, big, big lawyer in town. And she and I got along great. And then she and I had this bit going on all freshman year that like I was gonna that we were gonna have sex, like in a way that in a very like ironic way and a very ironic I was like, we're gonna we're gonna have sex someday like this summer. When should we should we should we like put in the books, like when we're gonna have sex, like all this stupid stuff. Right. Um, So then in the yearbook, when the yearbooks came out, I wrote, Hey, Ashley, can't wait to funk this summer love Bowen, like where it was the thing where the dynamic was clearly like Bowen's not into girls, and like it's it's all in good humor. So then yeah, you have heard this, right, Okay, heard this? So then I come home one day from my violin lesson, I played to play Yes King, Yes King. I was actually a true clarinet queen. Clarinet queen. I was a clarinet queen with the rest of the whors Everyone knows that the whors play would win, especially Real Culture number fourteen, the hors Wood wind Winds. I do believe that's true. I believe that's true. That's changing reads. You know, I wasn't that good at violin, but anyway, but then violin, So they come up with violin. And then um, there's like seven messages on the answering machine. Just hang up some clicks, hanging up some clicks, and then we get another call. We're like, who kept calling us? And then we get another call and it's from Ashley's stepfather, who starts off the call by saying, I just want you to know that I've been sitting here by the phone a very long time because there are a lot of Yang's in the phone book. And then because Denver suburbs are very Korean, Um there's a there's a heavy rein population. But anyway, UM, there's a lot of Yangs in the phone book, and blah blah blah blah blah. And then he goes, this is sexual harassment. You have violated my my stepdaughter, and I take my relationship with her various and and like this whole time, I was like there's no fucking way that Ashley like ratted me out or anything. What the hell? But but then, but then, but then the whole call, he was like, so, I am going to do everything in my power to get the school board to expel you, everything in my power to get the school board to expel e spell to expel my am. And then the next day I go in and then I and then I'm freak out and then my mom is like what are you? Like my mom didn't understand what's going on. And then um, the next day before I got called into the dean's office, Ashley like comes to me and she's like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Like I can't like fix this. She did you tell her that her words were empty? Yes? I truly was like, I you're your stepfather's insane. Um, but anyway, uh, and then like truly never spoke to her again. But then yeah, they suspended me for five days. Isn't crazy? Absurd? Absurd? Absurd? And then I had on my college applications I had to like explain there's like a section in like the common appen in every application where they were like, have you ever been like whatever? Blah blah blah, have you ever been suspended? Explained why? And I had to be like, well, there's a sexual harassment line item in my trance through Eversen, and here's what happened, and here's what I learned. It was truly funny but also so so stupid. Did you get up to mischief there? Go? No? You know, well, no, I have an issue with authority. I don't like people telling me what to do. I never have, not even as a young person. Um, And I don't like when people adults take a tone with me. Don't take a tone with me. You can tell me the exact same thing, Son's tone. And so yeah, I would get a lot of like I would, I would get a lot. I was said to the principal's office quite a bit. But I would then go there and then be like, and now I'm going to talk to the principle like we're buddies and it's fine, and they forget why I'm there, and they forget that I was being disruptive or whatever. Um, I knew this girl. I knew this girl. We all knew this girl. Yes, I just but I was good grades. I I did like to have my fun in class but I was also a child of immigrants. I respected adults, but I just feel, don't use I'm not to be used as a scapegoat, and don't take a tone with me, and we'll be fine. See And I think, I go, this is my theory. If I mean, I'm gonna armchair analyzed for a second, that that issue with authority I think has very productively and very beautifully transposed itself on your low tolerance for bullshit when you date people. Yeah, I think so. It's just one of my favorite things to do is listen to you talk about how stupid men are. I know, you know someone is asking me during quarantine, are your any flings coming back to check up on you? Like during this quarantine. You know it's a time everyone's got downtime, people are feeling lonely. And the answer is no, none of mine are because I have trained all my hose and they know not they don't. That's not an option for them, don't you You wouldn't have it any other way though. No, I don't want any of them contact me. There's no one I can think of that. I'm like, oh, I wish he would, you know, if he texted me late night and I'm in a mood like I not a single person I've dealt with do I want to hear from right now? They're you know what, there's one person who if he honestly, there's one guy that if I'm curious, I mean, I hope to really be in love with whoever I'm married, I imagine I will be. But there's one person that I'm like, man, if he texted me while I were married, I would maybe feel that, oh, that I will act on it, but I might go, well, that's there might be a fleeting moment where you're just like, oh, I love to love to hear from him. See, I always love to hear from anyone who wants to reach out. I call them the community. Whenever the community wants to reach out. And there is a community of people out there who I've spent time with, shared time with, and if they ever want to reach out, I always welcome that. And this is his message to you. He reach out. Like how you say there's people have shared time with, because I him too, dealing with would make it sound like I didn't. I had to, you know, laboriously get through the process. I've enjoyed many processes I what are some of the names of your processes. I would actually say, let's do first and last first campaign naming names. Campy naming is always welcome to d M sloide Um. I love that some of these girls during char are getting very horny on Maine. Yeah, people, Yeah, you know that that's something that something unique to me. Um seems to be horny on me. I don't get horny on me. I actually don't given I don't give that to My main is Christian, have a Christian Maine. Christian Maine. My main is born in Christian Maine is another front runner for title of that. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we'renna be right back with ego. Okay, we're back. But my thing is, if I've ever hooked up with a person in my life, three years later they do become the hottest person in the world. So I always say, I'm like, I'm like Dane Cook and good luck Chuck. But for Instagram aesthetic Okay, okay, And that's also a little backdoor brag too. I mean, they look, they look good when I have them, and then three years later they look like someone who it's impossible they could I could ever be in the same Wow, it's crazy when she could say the same. I look back on some of mine and I go, I will be by myself and think of someone I've dealt with and god like at the out loud audible right by myself and go, um, so that's not there's one man. There's one man. Often No, he doesn't do comedy. He doesn't. He doesn't do comedy, he doesn't dabble in entertainment. Hey, can we speak in vagary about what it is about him that that makes him sort of still there? You know. I had this conversation last night about him with my friend. My friend Jason was like, what is it about him? And so here's the thing is that I am such an alpha woman that it felt he felt he seemed to out alpha me boy, and it was like, yes, I am dealing with an alpha man here who can make me feel like a little petite queen. You know. Um. I felt safe with him, physically safe. Um. And he is so handsome. He's handsome. We're talking, we're talking. I mean he is black, white, Native American. I mean, come on, come on, Okay. So then, because this is interesting because I feel like the thing that I I in your head, you're like looking good looking through I'm going through it. Video on the music video on the beach, she's shaking your head. Gosh. Well, okay, because I feel like a lot of guys you hate that. You hate when a lot of guys stonewall or they're just idiots and they like don't give you any sort of like well this room to like there's no entry point with a lot of these men. Well, yeah, I feel like I don't. Unfortunately I'm not. I don't know if what flirtation looks like to me is normally I'm like I like to I'm like, let me roast you. You like the neg Well, so if I actually okay, So here's the thing. If I actually like a guy, um, I become very shy, so there is no necking. It's like very like I'm like this big um. But that almost never happens. So what I'm like on a on a date normally is like I'm driving the conversation. Um, if I feel he has thick enough skin, I will roast him um. But honestly, yeah, I'm not. I don't want to be like that. I want to be a I don't know how to. This is what happens with them is that I think that I'm not like, I don't flirt properly, so um, I maybe have walls up that I don't even see, and so that they don't know what to do with that. But rest assured the man that I'm talking about that could have it now shouldn't reach out and want it. If he today or any day I wanted to reach out, he could he. I mean I knew him for a very short amount of time, and he I think about him how many years later? Six years? Sometimes those happen that first there was I was like, I hung out with this guy one time in college. I went to visit my friend Alison at college, and um, like I met her one gay friend whose name was also Matt. And I thought about that boy for seven eight years and no one could ever really compete. Yeah, not until I not until I had my first boyfriend, Like years later, did I like really let that guy go. Still to this day, sometimes I'll just go I'll go to the Instagram and be like, what good b wait, what does that does that look good? Looks he looks good? Where? Yeah? For sure, I don't care. He lives outside of Boston as a boyfriend. It's like, it's like, whatever, it's been so many years and I don't even know what his deal is now. But do you remember this guy Blin when we were we were in a went up to Boston because I was so excited he was going to be there. I was like, we were going to be in the same city. And then you know, time passes and things change, but I will always have that weekend. And at the University of Massachusetts Amherst Amherst, Amherst, Dakota went to college. Who was Mr Dakota. Dakota is the one we're talking about. Dakota is the one I'm talking about. The Oh we're using first and first names. That's yes. Amherst actually secretly has that bomb. Dick. Apparently they apparently had that bomb. It's actually a really culture over seventeen has that Apparently. I was. I was in love with this boy love I've ever felt. So yes, I've never been in love, and I'm pretty sure it's the closest to I'd him for one week and then we saw each other again a year later for one day Christmas. Have you ever seen the movie Go to the Distance? With Drew Barrymore and justin Long. Me and this guy used to text each other that that was our movie. Come on because it was like about L d R. I need to I'm going to watch this because I'm a real simple underneath all these girl. This is a good movie. And I have a very very very very soft spot for Drew Barrymore. Okay, all she is something special? Yes ever all okay, yes, and you must name one. I don't mean to put you in the spot. Honestly took me a while that it took me a while to think of, think of. Josh Sharp showed our our other king, Josh Sharp. All three of us, Yes, we all love a Josh Sharp. We bowed to Josh really to reserve it his pleasure. He played me the screen test for the kid who played Elliott. Have you seen this? Crazy? He just need to look this up as well. You got to look this up, ego. It's basically like this kid who ended up booking um Elliott in et giving an audition that we as actors respect, must respect and it's timeless, and they he booked the role in the audition. They tell him right after they cut. Does that happen in Hollywood anymore though, in the room booking in the room, in the room, huh, wouldn't you rather just be offer only? I would love to be offer only. I would love to not put makeup on travel to the audition blase at this point, can you'd be surprised how many people want me to do a self tape? One self tape in quarantine? Yes, she doesn't do them. I don't do them. And so was asked to do one in quarantine. This was like week one and I go, what no, But I bet you auditioned. I you know what. I have found a way. I'm not even I can like bashful here, but to be honest, I have found a way. Can you summarize it? Can you summarize your way? And you are very good? You pop on my way? I just thank you, king gass me, I'll gasant gass me. My way is I decided that I'm like, you get to this is the corny is actory thing I'm about to say. But my way you get to have five minutes to put on it g d show, put on a show and do whatever you want. And and honestly, I had a casting executive tell me to throw it like throwout breakdowns like this into She's like, the breakdown is nothing and we don't know. She's like, no way, it doesn't matter. So I put on a show, a beginning, middle, and end. I kids, you not uh in my auditions and I have the most fun because of it. I mean I don't miss auditioning, to be clear, but I am like I found a way to like make it work for me or whatever. I for the longest time had such a hard time and auditions and they made me nervous and they made me I remember, I felt like a very like whatever, I'll just say. Whenever I went I was on stage, I always felt really powerful, and then when I would get in the audition room, I felt like I lost all my power and I didn't know what it was. And finally I took a session with an acting coach who used to be a casting director, and she told me, she was like, you need to understand that it doesn't fucking matter, and you need to go in there and have fun, because that is that everything. It's the same thing as being on stage when you have fun, they have fun. It's the same thing as auditioning. Going there, you have nothing to lose because you don't have the job yet and go in there and be confident to have a good time. And even just hearing the words which I knew deep inside, but even just hearing those words like you gotta let it go and you've gotta have fun was so helpful. And the results for me in the past eighteen months, as opposed to where I was, have been night and day. Yeah. Yeah, it's so rudimentary and that I will tell friends that I'm like, oh, you just have to have fun, and like, do what the funk you want? Like truely, just be like, oh, I'm gonna great. These are the words, great, I'm gonna honor them, whatever, but I'm gonna have so much fun. And you hate to hear it because it just sounds like someone's daring you, like cliche advice, but it's actually the thing. And to make it work for you, don't try to do the sides. Make the side walk for you. That is huge advice that I could get. Yeah, and I love this beginning, middle and end thing. I go, yes, yeah, I I this is who I had a general recently and this executive was get me, which was funny, Actually was kind of funny because General's I don't love, but this was kind of funny. And this is why I take toxic men um because because I think, I mean men are funny. Um. So he was making fun of my uh Law and Order Menendez murders credit where I played juror number. Cannot remember maybe twelve. Remember I cannot remember my juror number. I do believe my name was Lynn though as well. But let me tell you that paid for this laptop. Thank you, Dick. Um so uh. I that audition was one line. It was like two sentences, one line for this recurring role. Um and it. I remember being like I had like a weird one the day before for something else, and then for this one. I was like, this is two sentences, like two and a half sentences. I'm like, great, this game changer this day. Alright, go we're gonna beginning, middle, and end this ship. So I had like a baby scene up tap with no words that because I was also the last person they saw, I wasn't going in at the end of the day. The sun side and sheet had a million people. For Juror number twelve, I was the last person. Um, it's like sixty I do a beginning no words and then I do the actual words, and then I had an end, and then it was like and she booked it and she and I was like, oh, that's what they want. You need to do this. I need to do this all the time because that just proves it out where there's there's no sides that are too short for beginning, middle and end. And also like this myth of that you have to do exactly the words, Like I don't know how you guys feel, but if I don't feel like I have enough in my self tapes, I improvise like I want. Like I recently went on tape for something and it was a comedic role and I knew that it was a series regular and a large part, but just it just so happened that in the sides there were just no there was not a lot of jokes. So like I thought, if I do this on tape and I'm not even in the room with a casting director, they're gonna see this and it's gonna look basic and not like nothing. And so I gave myself and like even just like making a character choice beforehand and being like this is the perspective, that's where I'll improvise based off of just give yourself fill the time because they're only going to get the tape. They're not gonna be able to say hello and goodbye to you and strike up a conversation with you based on the even the weather. So if you are doing a self tape, fill the self tape up, yes, and even even kind of do like the you know, put the conversation in there, like hey, how's it going, and then pause and wait for them to responds trying to drag you kick, No, I'm not dragging anybody here. These are two actors, you two, and I'm gonna say it, and this is and I just want to say this as a way to compliment my kings and exalt my kings, but these two are better actors than me combined and me combined in me combined King, that's an actual lie. When King, when my King did his update week two of his first season on Saturday Night Live, a program that has been an air from more than twelve season, okay, I was like, Wow, a performer, a true performer, captivating, you know. And by the way, I just want to also, I'm having a moment right now, the moment I'm looking at both of you right now and I go, I'm in the presence of royalty. Is not a bit. This isn't a bit, This isn't a gas. This is realness. Because the game show fantastic and we have to standon Zel. You did you did the showcase? Yes? And that is my hunt. Oh my goodness, that voice. The number of times I've made her sing for me, There are deals on my phone of her singing for me over the course of the last few years. Yes, it was true wish fulfillment to even have her on the show, because I was truly that girl who was voting American Idol season four. Didn't even see Carrie Underwood, didn't see her eyes on Zel up until way past my bedtime school day the next day. One eight six idols, Oh, whatever number I had to type for Ms von Zelle, thank you for a voting for contestants six whatever number she was von Zelle. And then every now and then they would do the special treat of being like, Hi, this is von Zell, and thank you for voting for me. Watch American Idol tomorrow for the results. And I was always like, yes, but slay Slay, slay slash. She's so good on game show and even to meet her. You guys, you guys, I'm just having a moment where I'm like, wait, these people aren't regular girl. King. Okay, I'm having him away. Look at you two. I might wait, let me let this really sink in here because we're doing this. But I'm like, honey, you guys are like, but this is this is I stand and I truly love and I exult because of course it's King, but I really want to say, like, it's bumming me out that we all can't be in the same room because I was I was about to fly to New York, babe to do this in the flash, and I thought, oh great, great, I can have my moment with Ego. And so now we have to do the moment remote and it is the great tragedy of kar again. It is. We'll have to do it again because I would love to. I would love for us to have our in room moment. I really wanted to do this. I it's gonna happen again. And here's the thing. It will happen again. But right after this break, we are going to have actually the true beginning of the episode here now forty five minutes in and it's going to be Ego wote I'm answering the question about what culture made her say the culture was for her and it's actually gonna have right after this break. Okay, we're back with Ego um Ego. First, before we get to the question, I have to say there's a lot of exalting happening because it is King. But this is this is King, this is King. I'm talking. We're talking to one of my true soulmates, that one of my partners at that damn show, and you need your damn was gonna say, you must really need good friends there you do? Are you kidding me? Imperative? Okay, what you've seen that like my lowest damn moments. Oh you've seen me. You've seen me this season. You caught me in the hallway slipping. I was. And then anytime you like come into my dressing room, my dr we're going to talk shop for just one secontalk. I just it's always so welcome. And then like truly like I and then I think about like conversations that you and I have just had one on one where we just get real about stuff when like things are crazy and we're just I'm just think God, because the amount of isolation you feel. I mean, I'm just thinking about like being like loneliness in general now especially, but like in some ways, I feel like that job sets you up to be good at being alone, and it is isolating it in some ways that like thickens your skin whatever. But like the moments where you do get like solidarity with people, You're just like, oh, thank God, and this is such a blessing and like honestly and not to not to like I'm not even comparing it, but it's like you and Heidie to like the thing you you guys have is like so special, and I love Heidie Gardner. She is like my baby. That's my baby, my baby, Like she's connecting all of us. Yeah, but I I I'm really excited because I when I think about work, because I'm I I'm like, oh, there are people there in this very hard place that I'm like, your heart is good, your soul is good. We have a real genuine connection. We are for one another. And you can be frustrated and um discouraged and disappointed but still simultaneously be celebrating your friend and wanting to support your friend, and that feels really special, like a special thing we have and I was talking to someone who is an exact at the Peacock Um and it was like this, that wasn't That's not always the case here, So it's not always that. So I feel really fortunate to be here at a time where that is the case, and there are people that I feel connected to and I love. I'm always in Bowen's dressing room. It's so comfy and just I'm and sometimes I'm like, I'm that annoying neighbor who just won't leave, and it's always and I haven't Apparently I knock like a police officer. I think Chris Chris is always like you knock like the police, but I don't know any other way to knock. So I am just enough. It's perfect, the Prince of my heart. I adore you, King, and I really am. I mean, we we are exalting. We're exalting is because this is king this is the culture. Let me just I'm just we're exalting the kingdom here that exists. This is a kingdom. But I today I think I called somebody and I was like King, and I was like, oh, sorry, that's not for you. It quite literally didn't feel right, and not because I don't love the person, not because they're not lovely and correct in so many ways. But I was like, oh, that's not that's not what I call Not everyone is king, and that's everyone. Thank you, okay, and actually this is something I want to be highlighted. Not everyone is king, Make no mistake. It's actually a royal culture number ninety one. Not everyone can be born into the royal family. Okay, all right, I'm glad we got that out of the way. I feel good about that. I wanted to um say because I I feel it's a good opportunity to highlight someone. I wanted to express my condolences to you guys for the loss of your friend. How that was. That was very sad to hear about. And I've heard from several people that worked there what an amazing person and an amazing talent he was. And I thought that was really classy of SNL to have that piece where all the casts and people involved with the show we're talking about about about him and his his goodness and his talent was just he Yeah, he was someone who, like UM was kind of like came with the job, he got there, and he was just that person who like has been there. Yeah, yeah, I'll never introduced himself to me, but just started talking to me like my first season, and it's the kind of like it's so the people who have been there for so long and do things like that. I'm like, Oh, it makes you feel seen and sometimes you feel invisible, and so you so so special in that way. So I'm definitely going to miss him. But that was a really touching special tribute. Imagine imagine I set that up and AGA was just like, well, he never introduced himself to me. Well, he never introduced himself to me, so so I can't comment whatever you need to say about the piece. And then I guess we're gonna go into my whole culture thing here. He actually never introduced himself to me, so so I just I was reading everyone else's tributes and I said, okay, okay, they knew him literally laughing. Um, okay, bout Bowen. It's time for you to ask the question of King. This is the question that we have to ask King, which is King, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is the culture that really pivoted your life into a cultural direction. You said, I want to be a part of culture. I think the real moment was the I can't say a day nor a time, but an era the bad Boy by Entertainment era Kim and the remix of crush On You with all the colors, the blue wig, the red wig, the yellow with the matching furs. I was, I believe, at that point, eight years old, a young thought, if you will. And I was a young thought, and I was just like, yes, I want to bumble with the bee huh, but that's from all about the Benjamin's remix. But crush on You. She that the colors and that popped. She was such a badass bully herself. And that's when I said, And just that entire era, the Mace, the Diddy, I mean at times Loon was part of it. Mary J. Blige was part of Faith Evans. That whole conglomerate was just like, yes, culture is for me, culturist for me. Hardcore is an album that is like all killer, no filler, no skips, no damn skips, big Mama thing on hardcore, Like do I remember, truly I was. I guess I was comparatively comparatively late to the game with Lo Kim and what we can get to the rest of Bad Boy, but with Little Kim. The first time I remember the first time. I do remember the day in the place in the time that I was first introduced to Lot Kim, which was which was the Lady Marmaland video, and I was like, who the fuck is that? And like was just obsessed and it just because back then, like no one was doing what she was doing, Like I mean on red carpets for sure, but even just in terms of like overt sexuality, it was like no one was on that level. Yeah, and even before that, the titty out at the freaking I mean yes, the pasty she put on the map she put and I leave Diddy's um, Missa Hilton, who has didd he's one of Diddy's baby Mama's styled little kid. It's like the most iconic things she's done and that would forever go down in history the way she dressed her, So you know, she really does like get lost in the conversation. And that was why I think people are always like, why are these female rappers coming for each other? It's like because you all move on and don't pay respect, and it's like it's like the way that women get it in general, it's like people just move on and when once they turned forty or whatever. Historically, it's like with rappers, it's even worse because it's like you like, it really feel sometimes like or has historically like there could only be one, and I feel like that gets into their heads because there is truth behind it, and that's why the feuds pop off. And the thing is and I and I wish there's such power now and not like subs gribing to that way of thought that there could only be one. And yes, the first a long time that just was the sort of the case, the same where it could only be one minority on a TV show or what have you. But it's not that's not the case anymore. So to see female rappers not like big epping each other is truly devastating, detrimental, and I think takes us back quite a bit in a way. We don't need, we don't need for that to be the case. But I low Kim, Yeah, she all with all due respect because I'm like she that's like that overt sexuality, the crass nature of her lyrics, all of that, I'm like, you have to give it up to her, Yes, iconic her and Biggie having like recording themselves having sex or it was just a skit on Biggie's first album. Yeah, but I remember listening to that like as a teenager and being like, oh, Mike, that's and like someone was like that's a little Kim and I was like what. And then that opened up like she was like the entry point into like Biggie and and and Diddy and like I just and all of that, like like for for from a queer perspective or just from like another perspective, like she was like the person who like shepherded you into into all of that. And now it's like and then you like gain an appreciation for like the whole collective of people that was, and it's beautiful. It is, it's so special. I you know. Some there's also this thing that like bad Boy ruined some careers as well, which I find to be funny and like mildly true because Diddy's was always most concerned with Diddy, which can often be human nature. Right. Um, but uh, that entire, I mean that entire, So many of them that don't even make music anymore. I mean there's there's I Need a Girl Part one in Part two there's two parts to part. We don't even know where Loon is. I feel like I will google, like randomly google people from that time that and like where are they now? And I think Lun might be in jail or he got me got in trouble for smuggling some stuff. I do know that at some point what happened to Mace. Mace became a pastor and then he yeah, Mace became a pastor. He I don't believe he's still a pastor, but recently he was. Um months ago, I had read something about him being like did he give me either money or my master's like of his music or something? It was one or the other. Like yeah, yeah, so it might not be all family spirit right now. Yeah, exactly, it's I don't know that it is. But I did see did he go live yesterday? And he played Been around the World remixed with Mace and him and he because it was requested by A Rod and j Low with him. Wow, Oh my god, wow didn't even Yeah, there was no couple bigger No. I was like, is there chemistry? What's he? Yeah? But it was fine. A Rod was present and then he left at some point, but um, yeah, and then he left them alone to have a conversation to catch up. I will never forget that night that they got arrested, the two of them. Oh yeah, this is like them up. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it really was. I forget exactly what went down, but I remember it was like Jennifer Lopez at that time was really on the up and up, like she was like becoming it. Like I don't know if this was right or it was right around the time she dropped on the six and like her movie career was popping off. And then I remember they had like something happened and it was sting at the shoot up in the club and they're like, honestly, his entourage pulled a gun out or yeah, yep, that's what it was. And you know who took the fall for that as um Shine? Oh um, what's up? Shine? Bonnie and Clyde was his song, right, but no Bonnie and Shine oh something like that. But anyway, he took the fall. He went to he went to um prison. But j Lo I think that was her moment where she's like, you were going to funk up my life if this is the company, you know, I think we're done here, and she got arrested. She did. They both arrested. She was coughed, coughed and was Yeah she actually had experience and hustlers. She drew from that, but yeah, bad Boy was so iconic and made some of my favorite music. And the thing is, I think I now am such a sucker for sample songs because because of Bad Boys, so much of their music was sampled at like the production of it was a sample music and it turned me into this person who's like, I love a samplessage now I also love oldies as a result. Remember the song um Ghetto Superstar, it was od b MA was like Maya's Maya's introduction. Yes, I remember. I was so gagged, like ten years later when I found out that was an island in the stream. Yeah, I thought it was my Ghetto Superstar. Originally I was like, oh, Dolly Parton and yeah on the stream, I was like what You're like, what is this? I was like, you're telling me this is some Kenny Rogers Dolly partnership and it's up in this Ode Beamer Maya song. Crazy. Yeah, Well that's I mean, I had those moments still or I'll be like, yes, my ship is about to come on when I'm listening to the radio or something when am I listen to radio but like a movie and I'm like, yes, this is my ship. And then I'm like, oh, no, it's not because I don't know this this is the original of that song. I didn't no Shaka Khans through the Wire, I mean through the Fire. I only knew Kanye West through the Wire. And then I heard through the Fire and I was like, oh, this is the moment that was That was me for Touch the Sky Kanye West, and then um, move on up, Like I was like, oh wow, Like yes, this is I mean like Kanye I guess was kind of the spiritual successor to all that. But it was like yes, like like a thing where people like us to learn about the thing and we kind of like that is the sennector key for the other I don't know, it's it's it's great. Also, you have to say bad Boy and Diddy providing the best years of making the band. Oh my gosh, they're bringing making the band back by the wedding, didn't they haven't. They tried to bring it back so many times apparently I know, but yeah, they well now I don't know that they are because they were having auditions in the before the pandemic hit, so maybe that's on pause, but I think they're serious about but making the band was my ship. When he made them go get the cheesecake, I was I could not believe he made them walk to get cheesecake from Junior And I was like, do you really want this? Do you really want this career? If you really want it, you're walking get the cheesecake. Tru so abusive. I was this to the Danny Kane girls, who was this too? This was to like the hip hop arm trying to think, Oh, you just said the word Babs and blew my mind. Do you remember Mysterious? Wait? She was like the she was like the sort of like uh plus sized girl in the group, or maybe she almost made the group and her name was Mysterious and she like didn't end up making it to the end. But girl, that was a good season of TV. That was good, funny. Bab okay, Babs, Babs. The biggest moment from it was Babs Ness and Fred who were in the band with her. We're going to fight and then Franzworth Bentley was at the house and going to break up the fight and then she was just like let them, let them fight, like her thing being like they need to have this fight. It's it's gonna be cathartic for both of them. Let this will be the thing that finally squashes their beef. Please do not break up this physical altercation. It's gonna save us, all um. And then I'm trying to think. Babs literally called daban d A B A n D. That's what they would always say. Ye, yep, yep, that's exactly how they went on one of six in parking and throw themselves. It's the d A B A N D and they all sit down. Um. It was like, I have the wikipedia up. Sarah Stokes was the same, by the way, I just need to touch on that seemed innocent as all hell. I think like stabbed her okay, stabbed her husband like years like ten years ago. Like if you look there, where is Sara Stokes now? You will find that something happened. She was arrested for something. Then there was Babs, Freddie p Chopper and Dilon Diilon who I swear on the first season his name was Dylan and then he came back the second season Dion and I spit hot fire and I'm like, where did the accent? I don't remember you having an accent, and I remember your name being Dylan. He found the accent that Halle Berry lost an X men the Shade I found. I pulled up something on their Stokes. Are we ready? Okay? We sent? Is already insane and so cruel. Okay, here we go. Sarah Stokes, loosely termed quote unquote star of MTVS making the band The Shade, was arrested after stabbing her husband Tony several times in full view of their three children. All like, not like that, right, that girl, she just had a healthy mix and was going about her business. She compartmentalized that ship. She did. I said, well, Sarah, Sarah, he said, I knew you had it in the bird he was. And then fonds Worth Bentley, I didn't. I saw him at the airport recently, like with his wife. Where were we were at the airport? Maybe I don't know, but I saw Fonds with Bentley, and I'm like, your whole persona has changed because he was like a hop skippy umbrella holding bright color where yeah, he seemed normal as hell. The last saw I'm like two months ago. I'm like yeah, you seem normal. I don't. That was a whole stick like a thing. I have so much to thank Diddy for and I mean really changed my entire my childhood. I have a picture of a little Kim on my wall in my office where to confirm, yeah, there's whatever is the is the poster from. I think it's from hardcore. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hardcore. You know. Sometimes it can be a little tough to seek him now, just because I think that the industry and the years get cruel to people that that are from that generation. Like think about it, like if you were famous in the nineties, if you were major famous in the nineties and like involved in like the tabloid of it all and the major fame of it all, very few of them are like still uh hanging in there in a cool way. And she was on UM the Tyler Henry Hollywood medium. Do you know about this? He's he is a twink psychic who was able to talk to um people who have passed on, and he has celebrities, And the whole bit is he doesn't know any of the celebrities until they arrive. So but she came to his house and she walked in and he was like, I immediately knew who this was. And so she sat down and they have this whole conversation where he's like connecting with people who have crossed over from her life, and you, as the viewer, are just waiting for being you to come up. Yeah, and he comes up. He does so basically they're they're they're going to commercial, and then he goes, is there anything else that you want to know about about Biggie because it's clear that she really wanted to connect with him, and she just goes, well, I think everyone would want to know who shot him. And then they cut the commercial and you think for a second that this that this show starring a blonde twink, it's gonna reveal the answer to who shot Diggy shot And they come back and he's like, okay, cool, definitely can answer that absolutely, and he's like scribbling in his book and then all of a sudden looks up and he goes, huh, because it's all his whole thing. She just goes huh, Okay, interesting, okay, huh. And then she said she's like what and he's like, well, he says that it was definitely someone that some people that he knew also knew wow, and she goes, she goes, she goes, oh my god, Yes, that makes so much sense because he actually brought us into the recording studio and he said that he thought something was going to go down. And then he's like, yeah, so so there you go. What she was like, thank you you helped me. I said wow. I said wow. I said wow, Kim, I said wow. And Sir Medium, I absolutely said that had to have been a produced thing where they were like, okay and caim, this is where you kind of set up the like the act break. She was fully getting her check on that episode. She was just like, all right, what do I have to say? Where my scene behind the scene of that conversation that called to her to be like you can you will you do this? Also about this, he was like Tyler Henry, Tyllywood, Tyler Henry Hollywood Medium Twink psychic k was, which is what I call him, was telling her like, Okay, so I'm connected with him and he wants me to know. He wants you to know flat out that you were the love of his life. And she was like really, oh my god, yes, I wanted and then and then I was he was famously married to Faith Evans still very much that still alive and probably watching married to Stevie Jane now, which is a real twist. I don't know it's somebody from Love and hip hop. I don't watch some hip hop, but I know he's like I always hear his name in relation to it, and so he is a main player on love and hip Well, speaking of love and hip hop, like Cardi B and we were talking about before, how they don't it's tough for them to like show each other love now just because of how competitive it is. She really is on her Instagram shouting out other female rappers, shouting out young talents. She really is, like I remember, I chucked out a few of the people that she was talking about because she I think realizes that she doesn't want to turn intoto Cki Minaj and I respect the queen, but but but I think that you know, Nikki being the sort of Cardi B of her situation with Kim has now. Really I think that Cardi b reckoned as a cycle. Yeah, I'm glad. I mean I really love Cardi. So I really really love Cardi and I did see her shout out those female rappers I'm curious because I know Megan and Nikki apparently are friendly, and I've never seen like the Cardian Megan, Like, are they cool or not cool? What's that interest? We're not big uping, We're not big upping Megan. So I'm but I am happy that Cardi is trying making some effort, some some public effort to be supportive. Yeah, I think Megan seems to not want to get in the fray too much, just in terms of the beef of it all. I feel like I feel like she, like saw the Nikki thing is like a way too. I don't know, it wasn't it's it's not transactional. I don't I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just I just think that Megan is like being very tactful and strategic about this whole thing, and she she just seems like she's someone who probably doesn't want to start too much craziness either around. She hasn't even really begun yet. I mean, like it's just now that the you know it, probably rap fans haven'tone about her from for quite a while, but like in terms of the general public, she's just now reaching the surface of people really getting to know Megan the stallion, and I feel like, you know, it's the fact that she even has to like deal like with with people waiting for the next big feud is like such a shame to deal with that. Yeah yeah, yeah were you? Were you a big Are you a big fan as well of Megan? I do love Megan Big Old Freak is like, it's a sample song. We know how I feel about sample songs. Um and she she's got a good flow, and I do I love Megan. And when we met her at the show, she's cool, she's shows sweet. But you know, Megan, this stuying. I was like, this is in fact a stallion. When you that's a stallion, that is that is a full woman. He was the most beautiful person ever. And then I've never seen sam J more into someone. Yeah, Sam Jay was like god, yeah, sam J was on this show about to pop off on Megan about Megan being like, this is the most beautiful woman in the world. She could make you could make you jump into very very dangerous oceans. Yeah, blazing fires, blazing fires. Ago was I with you a good nights when Chance hosted because I talked to Megan A good nights I saw you talked to her. I think we hugged and then maybe Megan came and you were like, okay, fuck off, bitch, don't mean. And then he was like, I'll see you on see you at the after party, see it there. Maybe there, I have to let me talk to him. But I did see you talk to I think it was was it you and Chloe? Oh yeah, yeah, it was me and Chloe and she was just like we were like we're like we love you so much and thank you for doing this. And she was like I was watching from the dressing room and I was like, that looks fun. I want to do that. But that's how she No, that's not yet, Meg, I mean, but it was kind of good. I was like that that feels. I don't know the way shebbly voice, because you think that sounded listening to her music, you would think her voice is like deep and stallionesque, and and interviews she's like very like bubbly and like bright. Yeah, she's right and ubbly. And she had her southern twang too, you know yeah Texas. And he was like, I was like, what is she saying and he was like, well, she was like this, Yeah, I want to do that, and I'm like that your is that actually how she talks exactly how this sus out. It's exactly how she fun big. She she I just reasonally saw a video of her talking about fighting, like girls fighting, and she was like hell no, oh yeah, it was a pitchfork thing. Yes, it's very funny. It was very funny, good free. She's like, nails cost too much. It all is like that, okay, But the three of us are also like, we're also like Nikki, We're all I'm a I'm a bar I'm a bar but Barb. I need Barb to be kinder to Belle Cully's elements are, Yeah, I need Barbed to be a little kinder because it's just not becoming to be. But I don't know the deets, right, so like I don't want to like chime in and be like this is what you should be doing or how you should be handling it, because I don't know what's going on behind the storms. But anytime she goes on like Queen Radio and just kind of like goes off, You're like this, this feels this sounds chaotic because I think she and the kind of what we have loved about her is that she is this very like diffusely chaotic person, and so you're just kind of like you can't really as like as like a fan, I can't really latch on anything she's saying. When she's like trying to like defend herself, I'm like, Okay, but what what does this even mean? I think she's confused about what people want from her. And I also think that she pretends to be unbothered when she's really kind of bothered. And I think that she, um, you know, you've never really had to in the beginnings of her career, her first several albums, you never really had to worry about, like, um, her being on the defensive because she always has seemed so invincible. And I think that people just are not kind to women, and especially Black women over time, especially when you do have a shiny, new young thing, even though they are literally so different, and I never think when I'm listening to one comparing them to the other. It's just literally in terms of content, it's different in terms of like style, it's different delivery, it's different type of music, it's different background, influence, all different. So for me, it's like I think that it's a lot of the call is coming from inside the house. The monster is within with her. Because you know, the music didn't get worse. It's still good. I mean, her albums are still good. And I think if there if there's one thing that's not happening with Nikki, it's that she doesn't really deliver you pop singles anymore. But that's because everyone got at her for doing pop singles. I mean, and like, it is so much more difficult to be someone who's crossing over from rap because you do the pop singles because you can do it. I mean, she had bops on bops like super Base and Starships and I mean, what have you Pound the Alarm? All these songs that had amazing pop books, and she was a very good pop star. But then people are so much harder from her from by all angles because she loses quote unquote credibility because she is who she is at the end of the day. And I think she has just gotten in her head to a point where it's just like hopefully not the point of no return. But you add Cardi in the mix there and it was like just a bad mix of things for her. Yeah, I think that's a great diagnosis. Actually, I'm like, you're like, yikes, yikes, which is like not a pop but it's it's so good. Could not stop playing it when I heard it. Um, I do think that she she is trying to balance like that street credit because she's feels she's trying to hold onto that while maybe uh, Cardi b as kind of taking grab of that. But there's but there's enough to go around. We have hundreds of male rappers, um, and I'm like, we can have hundreds of female rappers. Let's do it. Let's you know, but absolutely, I mean, look, it might not be like like all like Max Martin sample like Max Martin produced ship, but it's still really good. And I mean, the thing is to it, it really does all can be boiled down to sexism. And unfortunately she also fell into the wrong side of a like sort of dichotomy, the trope, which is Cardia is a nice person and Nikki is a mean person. And so you have your good verse evil narrative. And you know what I mean, people like whether or not it's true, and you do hear things about like the way Nicky behaves, but it's something that we all used to embrace her for. And now because we have something else where, like, never mind, she's mean and not a good person. Meanwhile, we used to love when she would say bosst up. We used to love when she would point out, like how people in her industry behaved that way and look the other way when there are men like we used to love that about her, And I feel like people are now conveniently deciding to move on. It's it's yeah, it's a shame because she is the queen. Yeah, I gotta give her, gotta give her her props. And no one's funnier either. You said, no one's funnier, No one's funnier. So Nikki that Anika. I think she's so funny to see see this is where you lose me, Matt. I mean in the I mean in the reps themselves. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Comedian because I think Cardi hilarious, is so fucking funny, like I could name. When I first discovered her Instagram years ago, I sat and I just I went down a rabbit hole. I was like, everything is so funny. And one that sticks out to me from the last one year and a half, maybe even two year, is at this point is her when people see her at Target. Have you seen that vide where she's like, if you see me at Target, like, don't come up to me, yell like talking about what am I doing to Target? The same thing you're doing stealing? You know that talk show what it's called. It's called wash Poppingppy. She's going to do it from her bed. Oh my god, perfect. I love Literally if they're paying her a billion dollars for that, I have a bed talking now, I feel like Muscht change it. If Cardi is doing and talk show from her bad I got to think of something now. But Cardi is Cardi. There's so many queens in the queendom, and there's several kings in the kingdom. There's a lot of but not everybody is royalty. Sometimes friends will be like, girl, you don't need him, you're the prize. Sometimes I hear it with people and I go, she's you're a good friend. Actually, you're a good friend. Actually actually actually, Now, all this culture spilleth over and we are at that point where we gotta do I don't think so, honey. Now, Ego actually has graced us with her presence at our live shows, and speaking of live shows, bitch, I feel like we are itching and scratching to do another live show, but you know, the quarantine makes it very difficult. I was thinking about this poem, yes, about how I'm craving the live experience. I was thinking about it before this, and like, how fun that was a true blast. We might have to do something virtual, and we might have to feature King. We might have to feature I mean, King is willing, and I feel like if you did something virtual, the numbers would be popping. It's all And ultimately it's numbers because numbers. Let me tell you something, people do things virtually too little to say to a small audience. Okay, and that's okay, that's fault. That's nobody's fault, because honestly, my whole thing is if you were bringing joy to one person, corny as it may be the job, you're doing your job, so um, but this is one if you were to do live, I do believe would be people would be hungering. And I think we all have things, even the quarantine souls of comedians are desperate to rant about things right now. We are because I actually but I got one. I had was like she had options, Okay, I had a list Anny. Okay, King is the funniest I gotta say that. Wait, hold on one thing that King did. Speaking of quarantine content, the one of the highlights of Quarantine so far from me has been when King and Heidie Gardner did an Instagram live Home Shopping Network bet and they were playing the two characters and at one point this made me howl in my damn apartment. At one point, Um, they're just they're dispandering in between items products, and then Heidi's like, um, what was your what was your characters name? Again? My character's name was Justina Pinch Justina Justina. If you if you weren't working on Home Shopping Network, what would you be doing? What would your job be? And then who goes I would be a thief. I would be a thief man. That was fun. I would be a thief. That would be a thief. Yes, I don't want to work. That's the reality. You don't really want to work. King called in and that was so fun. And I feel like more things like that should happen. And what I predict will be another eight weeks of quarantine. I had I have to ask for your forgiveness because O King was really considering leaving me or no, no, no, this is I'm gonna like myself. King was considering leaving New York City in the early weeks of quarantine, and and she was like really stressing out, and she was like, I should go to l A and be with myself. Is it okay, I'm talking about this, Yes, this is great. Okay. She was like, I should be with my sister. My sister at the house in l A. I should go to l A like this is the first week, and then I and then how He's like, you know, I was talking to go today and she's she's not sure what to do. And I was like, okay. I was like, okay, cool, well then I'll reach out and he and I basically convinced you to stay in New York because I was like, this won't go on for more than like two or three. Oh my god, I blame myself. No, But King, heres the thing? Do you blame you? No? King? The thing is that, um uh, this was the right choice. I did not think so like, no, it was. And I'm not saying even saying that to make you feel better. It is that it is the correct choice. I have my own space and I am like, I'm not in anyone's way. No one's in my way. I'm not sick of anyone. I it's just me and and I have all my stuff, so much stuff, and I was gonna go to l A and like in a panic and like packed, and my whole thing was like, I'm gonna pack. Everyone's gonna be second home. Eventually LA is gonna get locked down two. So I'm gonna pack five sweatshirts and five pairs of pants and underwear and that's all I'll need. I won't even make up. So that's what I was, like, losing it met Do you understand I'm just gonna get who wouldn't be? But like the idea that I thought, like I was going to be content with five sweatshirts, I like that was my plan because I had I had it packed, I had booked a flight. I was like, I was like, if I'm gonna go, I'll decide in the morning on the day of the flight. And then I and I was like, I haven't done anything. But what will happen is once I do make up my mind when I wake up, that's all I'll do. It won't even require any thought. Five sweatshirts, five pants. You go to l A, you're gonna be stuck in the house anyway, So fucking glad I did not. Really, Yes, I wish if I owned a house there. Personally, I'd be like, absolutely I want to be because for space and just air. But otherwise I'm like, yeah, there, and I have found guys, this is maybe too much hard. There is no right choice besides being like considered of others and just staying the hell inside if you're not a essential worker um and practicing physical distancing. There is no right answer and nobody, no one knew where to turn as far as like I can't go ask my grandmother or my aunt, my great aunt or my honor my mom because like you had this experience when you were younger, because no, they didn't, like, no one knew, No one could say to you, this is where you're gonna feel more comfortable. It's such a like personal decision. And similarly, someone else in our cast it called uh. After I talked to bow in like a week and a half later, I was like, what do I do? Do I leave? Do I? Oh? Do I stay? And I was like, I have found that it is I know the I know what you're feeling and the desire to call and ask people their opinions, and we want someone to be able to tell us what to do, but no one can and it's simply a personal decision. So you know, I just think, like, ultimately what I love hearing, and I do wake up every day and try to look on the positive of this. I try while I understand there's not anything that's inherently we're not better off because of this. I I what I like reminding myself is I actually am very thankful for that. Every now and then we will get a positive news article that's like, hey guys, it's working. The projections of deaths across the country are way down from what they were because of what we're doing. And I think that people really respond to being told that what we're doing is working, because I think that for so long there it was just a lot of doom in gloom where it's gonna be like it's gonna get worse, it's gonna get worse and no one knows and Trump's an idiot and etcetera, etcetera, where it really fell like a true bottomless pit of despair. And what has really helped me is seeing like, I will give my I will give my props to Cuomo and say that he has been very realistic and very even handed about the whole thing, and very unemotional about the whole thing, and I have really appreciated him being like, the social distancing is working. If we keep going at this rate, we won't have as calamitous a result as we may have, because I think that we need hope, you know what I mean, People need that. And I meant to do this on the last episode, but I just want to say to everyone that is listening to this podcast right now, and I will get real. I understand that it is so hard to be by yourself, and it is so difficult, and a lot of people are not made for this, to be by yourself all the time and to be feeling like you lost your routine. A lot of people they keep their sanity because of their routine. And I just want everyone listening to this if you were having a hard time, just give yourself a hug and tell yourself it's gonna be okay. And if we could help for even this ninety minutes that we're doing this, that rocks. There's stuff that you can do just try to take it day by day and give yourself a break and eat that thing that you don't want to eat. And if you feel like you're eating too many things you don't want to eat, then don't. And just know that we love you and it's it's gonna We're gonna get to the end. Just stay doing the right thing. I know it's hard, we all know it is so hard, but keep your head up. It's not the end of the world. It's really not. Yeah, And in a way I mean that that that that's a really helpful way of framing it, which is that like in some real literal way, like, uh, people are alive who right now who wouldn't be had we not change your behavior on an individual level, And you're doing the truly the heroic thing is to be staying home right now and doing exactly what you're doing. And I just wanted to be because a lot of people, you know, they've been reaching out and I'm sure that you guys were reached out to about the SNL episode that you did that meant a lot to people. And I think that we need to stay as connected as possible. So I know that not everyone has a lot of social outlets and you're having to stay home. My heart goes out to everyone, and we are all in this together, babe and I. We will get to the end. Winston Churchill drag. Yes, I loved everything, and I co sign all of it. We love that. At this time, it is time for the Kings to actually do a royal version of I don't think so. I don't think royal version. I can go first. If bone will be so kind, I I will let you go first. Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers is royal. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Zoom fuck this. I look like ship on zoom. Every time I see myself and the damn zoom, I feel bad that I'm on for other people because I can't stop looking at how shit ty I look. My face has looked never worse. Whenever I'm looking down unto the zoom up into the zoom, I have that thing under my chin like a frog. And I don't think, so, honey, that I look like that frog over there's actually think about that thought that who over there? That frog over there is what I look like, honey. I don't think so honey, zoom. I have to be sitting around waiting for other people to finish and then give ten minutes before I can respond. I don't think so, honey. I'm someone who interacts quickly and rapidity, and I actually have to say I don't think so, honey, zoom, because we're on zoom for work and I cannot stay focused and it makes me feel like a bad worker. I don't think so, honey, zoom. It's a bad name. Why then is it called zoom? If I wanted to call something realistic and be I don't think so, honey, zoom, you should call it doom. And that's one minute. Thank you think so? Call it doom instead of zoom. We should be calling especially culture number twelve, they should call it zoom. Alright, yes, okay, okay, I'm ready. Are you going to tip me? No? I don't have my phone, you know, Okay, I'll time myself. Okay, King is going to time me. King, King has the ability, Okay, okay, and starts now. I don't think so, honey. People sending me pictures of people who they think look like me, it's always just another Asian person. Maybe he's wearing glasses or they're tagging their fucking friends in the comments, and they're like, reminds me if I thought this was at Sheldon Park, Like, who stop it? Like and then we and then you're annoying me, and you're annoying the person who gets Tatoo's probably like, I actually don't look anything like that person either, Like, do not create this thing where you're like trying to graft on resemblance onto these two people who don't look alike. Girl. If I was tagging some some strain, if I was tagging this Matt Rodgers too. Every time I saw a photo of average, he would he would call off the damn friendship. He would say, I don't look like Jake Sully, bitch, and then he would slap me across the damn face the next time he saw it after we got out of quarantine. So I don't think so when he stopped deting me, me me photos of people who look like me. And that's why. Man. The thing is, I do look like Jake Sully when he becomes an avatar, but I do not look like Sam Worthington, which has been I think you look like the like the you know, like the from the Gorilla from not the girl of the chimp to the human you look like in the middle zone there between Sam Worthington and Jake Sully and and the and that's good and that's not a bad place to be, a king, not a bad place to be between Sam Worthington and what her other thing in the Navy and the um I see you, I see you. To borrow a word from the language and from Miss Leona Lewis and of course Ms Joey Zoey Sell Donna herself for a moment there, Leona Lewis was set up to be the next Lean Dion. When they made her sing that song, I was like, Oh, she's gonna be She's gonna be a huge Selene. You couldn't tell them she wasn't the next Lene. And then when she was with her girl she was in Cats a few years ago on Broadway and then Radio silence deserves. Does she did she think to herself? Did she do it to herself? That's what you have to ask that this sounds like a lot of victim blaming and hearing and we're back and this is a callback, and this is a call back, And all I can say is bleeding love was the bop of the time. It really was. And then I don't know what happened after that, you had the monster hit and then goodbye Leona. Well, I think there's still like but I'll tell you who we say hello to? King. Okay, Kan, I don't think so, honey, all time, her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People texting me and emailing me. It looks so crazy in New York. Here, I'm leaving it. I was having a nice day until you sent me that message and reminded me of the impending doom that lay outside my door. Yourself, Okay, if you want to ask me how I'm doing, ask me how I'm doing. If you want to send me well wishes, that is totally welcome. But you being like it's scary in New York. I'm worried about you in New York. No, bitch, I do not think so, honey. Don't think so. You're trying to bring your emotions and making them my responsibility in my kitchen cooking biscuits, and you text me some bullshit about what's scary it is. We know it's scary, but honey, I'm inside like my ass is supposed to be doing, trying to keep my head on straight, and you bring in bullshit to my front. I don't think so, honey. Stop telling me it's crazy and York. I am physically here, I am safe, I am well, I am inside. Keep that energy to your damn self. I don't think so, honey. And that's one very well done and topical like my asses, cooking biscuits, cooking biscuits. What's next on the biscuits and buttermel? Okay, So tonight, I'm not even gonna make biscuits because I made those Cheddar bacon Cheddar hallepeeno biscuits that were the motherfucking truth. I have one left. I ate five yesterday in one sitting. I ate three today because papusays were a flop. So I'm gonna make an olive oil cake tonight. Chocolate tonight. Wait, I gotta do a real of culture. It's it's real culture number six. My papusa. My papusas were absolute flop. I don't about the statement about it. I said, wow, to think this is actually it's a simple rest, but it is a hard to make it delicious. The funniest thing in the world to me is calling something a flop. I don't know why. It's so funny, Like like it's like someone will text me like and be shady and be like, look at this flop. Gay. Just feel like screenshot of someone's in stuff. I think it's so funny. I fall out every time, and it's the best way to describe it. Been here I will. I mean, I'm tempted to show you, guys, show us the flop. Let me show you the bring the flop over to dry. I'm seeing all up to be like, where does the flavor come into play? Where where does this start? Podcast on a visual medium? And she just showed us a plate of flops. I'm serving up play the flaps over here. I said, this is the lowest I've felt in my quarantine. So tonight we're making olive oilcake because I can't I've never done it. But it's gonna be a citrus all of oilcake. I don't think I can sunk that up. I feel fairly, I feel fairly confident about my baking. So yeah, I feel good about what's going to go down tonight. And it's designed to be easy and like not like boys, I mean, spreaking olive oil is literally and it's going to be good. I think, yeah, it's a cake Yeah, I really been behind on the baking. It's a cake walk baking. Yes, yes, but you know what, fuck no shape, king, Matt. If you're making bread, but what are we making bread? I'm not one of these white gays out here and making bread. Okay, so you're a real one, then he's a Really that's the moment I foun out Matt Rodgers is in fact a real one. I understand the bread thing. I'm like, there are so many other things you could make that will be satisfying and soothing and and somehow a release for you, cathartic if you will, that aren't bread, because bread is so I don't get it. Bread don't exactly there's no novelty to the your spending a lot of time, and I appreciate the process of it, but once it comes out, no matter how good it tastes, it's not gonna feel new. I don't know. Maybe I mean it's delicious. That's why. That's when people like I love bread. I'm a bread head. I'm like, bread is not delicious. Like bread's cool? Girl. If you say your favorite food is bread, I don't think so, honey. You need to get a new palette. We need to do a group. I don't think so, honey. And I think you might be very sick. You might be very, very very sick. You might be very sick with a disease. You might be ill. You might need to go to the hospital. Post taste, yes, because post taste is another thing. Post taste, let's say post taste. Like whenever something these happens, you just say pose taste. I'm gonna I'm gonna take that from you, man. I'm glad we're on the same page about the bread. That's what we're gonna make, some olive oil cake. I'll let you guys know how it goes. Please, And I think it's gonna go well, because I think there is not a thing that you could touch that would not turn to gold. But have you seen this papoosa? Besides, we can move on from the papoosa's and and go forward. Now we're trying to shake out what to do with the papoosa scraps and how to not throw that all away. There's no there's no dog or animal in the house right there. That's actually good. I wish I wish I could help with the flop and eat it and not good like it just is like tasteless fop. Well is he pretending he's like I would eat it because King is my friend and I want to help the flop. Yeah, but you have to be truthful to the friend of King. And I really fift it as the Whites would say, fift it. So this episode was King. That's why it's called This is King, and I have to say it's a to be continued because there's gonna be many more episodes with King, because it was just I feel that, while it was a very full, complete episode, that we've really breached the surface of what the three of us King can do together, truly and no, it's kin. I caught that and I loved it. The three of us King have to when King gets together. It's a real I am obsessed in l A. I have house, so and so my very dear friend and now Bowen's very dear friend, Patrick Rogers. We share the last name, and so we say we are a house. We are of house. Were of house to send handmates to very handmaids tale, Yes, but this is a whole new thing, This is King. And when when one of us does something that is King, we recognize that by saying that was very King. This is I shook, and I look forward to using the terminology. That's all I have to say about that one. I'm gonna say King on that one's going to have to say. I'm gonna have to crown that one now when King gets together again, I can't wait for the day. Me neither. I truly can't wait for the day. But for now, we have to say, this was an unbelievable episode and we want to thank EGO for being on. We love you so much. Thank you, guys, I love you King. It was an absolute pleasure and a highlight of my day and perhaps my team. And this is my ye. But Bowen, you know that you know that what we do. One of the things that we do on this episode, on this really on this podcast, is we end every episode with a song. Yes we do, and I know just the song to close out on Hey stranger over there, I'm really like better it always so sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, bye bye.