Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, sang Dons falling. Wow, I feel truly unmuzzled and I feel like a lightness. Deviously, it feels very good to be back, to be back. So we're just gonna get down to brass tacks. We've already recorded a couple episodes and they're good, and they're good at our new home here at I heart. I mean, you know where you love her. This is where we're at ended, and honestly, we're so happy. Everyone here is the best, the best. Engineer Doug is in there, slaying it. Engineer Doug is slaying it. Head of content Hans, Yes, Head of content Hans. Producer Anna, absolutely incredible. Executive producer. I'm so sorry, and that that's the thing is actually it's real culture number ten, executive producer, Anna. I mean that was disrespect full of me, very disrespectful. I just love the team here so much. The snacks and the stalked the house down boots. Oh yeah, and there's string cheese. String cheese, which is fatal for me. Actually not because I have anything against that. I just been once I started can't stop it's like that thing you pop, like the pringles exactly like you know for me, you know what the thing is for me? The baby bells, those little cheese. They're freakishly addictive, so addictive, and they they really revisit me at the most, at my most vulnerable times. I had no idea what they even were until I came to l A and started working in writer's rooms, and they're like a fixture there, these baby bells and they pop off and they pop off, and you look at them and you're like, what's this wax? What is this cheese? I don't know. And then once you figure it out, honey, it's like it's like riding a bike. It's likece you figure it out, you're doing it. That's actually a culture number nineteen. Yeah, it's like riding a bike. Once you figure it out, you're okay. We would we should bring everyone up to speed, all the readers to speed on our new home. So yeah, I mean, we weren't kidding when we told you we weren't sure where we were going to land after our last episode. It took a lot of thought to disfigure out where our new home was going to be. But we're happy. And we're recording in Los Angeles right now. So we've answered the question that you picked two that we floated to everyone. We decided that it is best for my sister Bowen and I to be in the same city looking at each other in the damn eyes. We don't want to be trifling with this across the country. Wait, what did you say it again? Non? So? Yeah, we lost, we lost, Matt. We can make the commitment to fly to each other. Yes, like you have made the commitment this time, and I will come to you next month and you will do it in kind. And we backlog Mother and we backlock Mother. But that's not to say it won't always be topical. Yeah. No, I think this episode, this is our our fun little return reunion. Um, we're gonna we're gonna talk talk about some culture that we've messed. We basically have been having a pain in our stomach's, hearts and brains because we haven't been able to talk about all the cults that's been happening. And I just want to say one one thing before we um begin the episode. I have to say something. I'm very angry at some listeners the readers because they have been saying we don't believe Matt and Bonon that they're going to come back. And this was a betrayal because I have done nothing but be supportive. I have done nothing but be supportive the readers, and for you to get in my d m s and get into my instagrams and say Bowen won't respond to me, but I don't believe. Well, they threw you under the bus. Damn what did they say? Damn they said? Damn they said, they said, well, Bowen did not respond to my d M. So I'm asking you, by the way, thank you for letting me know, I'm officially the second choice. And they said that's not it's actually really rude. And I'm and I'm angry at the readers, and we're and you're angry, and I'm angry at them and furious, I would say, I'm angry and the addition furious, and here I am, and I say to them, you know what, I hope it's okay that I'm back, that you were wrong. This is the thing. It's meaningful when you make the decision to believe podcasters absolutely for you too, not not give us the benefit of the d disgusting. Well, guess what, I'm actually vitamin D deficient and I found that out and it was really painful. It was really painful to find that out. So then what's what's the what's the what's the course of action for you to take a huge pill in the morning. And I've also gone non prep. So that's two pills, yes, dask O VI four prep and I have to swallow two large pills. And your criticism. I am having a very difficult time and I haven't been able to talk about culture. I see you genuinely hurt. I see I'm genuinely hurting. But this is the thing we will never do wrong by the reader. Oh truly, this is this is our life. This is our life. Our life is to connect with you the cultures that I have missed this so much. It's really got to say. So anyway, I'm not actually mad. We're not actually mad. And we're doing this episode especially for everyone. We're going to do a culture catch up, culture catch up, culture catch up. I mean, if you want to know our thoughts on on on the things that we've missed in the last nine ten weeks. Um, A lot has happened. A lot has actually happened. It's actually been an incredible time for culture in both negative and positive ways. Of course, the world continues to absolutely burn, but there's been some real moments of coach that have shown through, that have cut through the terror. Yeah. I mean there's and I have some stuff to say about some of the terror going on, some of the fear that's being you know, spread. It's great to know that you have something to say. I have something to say about. I think we look to you, everyone looks to me. So I think that if we're going to start this culture catch up, yeah, I I would personally move that we just dive into one topic head on. Okay. I have a connection to and you have a connection to Taylor Taylor. Her name is Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, and she actually she brush back onto the scene with a Netflix documentary. It's called Miss Americana. Miss Americana, with the accompanying single Only the Young, Only the Young, And I just want to throw it to Bowen. Yes, your review of Miss Americana, how did you feel? What were you what were you thinking? You know, it's really stuck with me. An effective, effective documentary, I would say, very specific, Yeah, very specific window into like her life in a way that feels intentional, like you could tell that she I thought back to that conversation that she has with her dad and her mom's it's Taylor and her mom sitting next to each other and they're trying to convince Taylor's father Um that she should post this um endorsement endorse Well, were you know Um of the Tennessee of it all? The Senate race, the Senate race, it all very moving, very effective. But then it's like, oh, but then they know that there's cameras in front of them, and do you know what I mean? And we can talk about this, and I'm sure you you have something to say about that, but it's like it's I am holding too sort of multitudinous thoughts in my head where it's like I enjoyed it. I gave a nice glimpse into her process and and and sort of her struggles, and she has a very particular set of struggles. But then it's also like I also see it. It's like a very very sort of cleverly timed pr move as well. Yeah, I mean every single thing she does I always think of as being calculated, but also I act think I think it's fine and that's like part of being a huge brand because of course you're going to calculate your moves. Of course the thing, but just fine, and like you have to calculate your moves when you when everything that you do is scrutinize. And I also thought to myself throughout the documentary watching it, I'm like, well, she's on camera's on camera. I'm like, yeah, she knows. She's like she knows. It's like, of course she's gonna know. She's on camera. And every time I reminded myself, like, well, you know, don't believe this all the way because you know, she's a documentary and she's putting it out and it's part of her brand. I'm like yeah, blah blah blah. It's like, also, you have to give her she is also a human being and in addition to being a brand. I really thought it made a lot of sense to me that she had sort of a light. It made a lot of sense to me that she felt like frozen in time by the Kanye That must have been freakish. And also constant reminders about what happened with the Dixie Chicks when they made a political statement. Now, of course you want to think of yourself that if you ever get in a position of power and you're able to make a political statement, that you will do the right thing. But culturally and you know, financially, she's in an extremely different situation, and so she had seen it really not work out for someone where it was a similar situation, and so I thought that it really tracked narratively to see she was frozen in time by the Kanye thing that freaked the funk out and she could never get a real control on, like a good narrative now because to this day it's like this, because the ground keeps shifting underneath her and it's still a Kanye tailor visual tailor thing to this day, which is nuts. She never asked for it until she did likely um yeah, yeah, yeah. But I thought that in conjunction with the trial being the light bulb moment for her, I really understood that because it's not it wasn't about it wasn't even really about her assault that made her say I have to speak up. It was the specifically the tru where they had photographic evidence of her being assaulted, and witnesses and still people in this courtroom, men in this courtroom were like, well, why didn't you say anything at the time, or was it really a groping, etcetera, etcetera. And I bought all of it. I bought all of it, and truly, like, of course, it was a light bulb moment for the trial to be that sort of catalyst, because for her to be like, oh, I'm famous and I have evidence and all these things going for me, but this is still a shitty fucking right, And it's got to be incredibly enlightening in like a very dark way to know that you could be one, literally one of the most famous people in the world and have all the evidence you need and they're still going to be like the raised eyebrow at you. That's had to be very very enlightening. And I mean study and I watched it together, and the thing that we were both struck by was at the end, towards the end, she goes, you know, I'm I'm in my thirties now, and there's only so much more time that the world will allow me to be success success, which is and the way she she made a face about it like and I know I might, and you know, it's right, really crazy, and also you have to you have to think like she probably also knew that when she was weighing whether or not to speak out about her political beliefs, because it's like she is a certain kind of artist, and you know what's so different when you say anything and you're a woman, So definitely all that, and I was really on her side personally now now professionally with the kind of music she's making, like, for example, this song Only the Young. Another thing I picked up on in this documentary is I think she needs to shake up her producers because I think she's got yes people. She's got yes people she the you know, the that are hurting her, you think yes, because I think Only the Young needed a lyrics pass bad, because I mean, if the documentary is to be believed, she just kind of notes apps that for about ten minutes and was like, Okay, I've got it. Only the Young can Run. Like there's a moment and where she's writing it, and she said only the Young can Run and she makes a face like I'm sort of behind this, and her producer you hear him go yeah, and it's like no, dude, Like that's that doesn't really make sense. Can run? I mean, it's it's a call to action like people running for office. Maybe I just think, like because there's weird, like like there's not clarity about it. It could have just used another lyrics pass or like looked at the song one more time, because I think the song is like songs great great, just lyrically it's like this is like kind of weird and could have used another past likewise the song me wait. But interestingly though, and like other people have observed this in the writing of it, it sounds like a very compelling song, and that's another part of it. I was like, I can see why I love watching her process. It's incredible because she's actually doing yes, you know what I mean, Like you're actually watching her work and it actually like has reminded me of when I've seen this happen or have have done it. Like I'm like, yes, she is so uniquely good at this, and I buy this percent and love watching her process. And I really like her bts when she like notes Apple or when she voice records herself and deluxe albums. I love that ship. So my thing was the videos during reputation, when she put out videos of her like trying to crack the chord progressions and the melanies and the lyrics too gorgeous. It's like over like the course of like ten weeks, she's recording herself in front of a keyboard at a piano, being like and then she's just like, it's so interesting. So I was watching her writing me and you see them get excited and they're like, it's a hit. It's a hit, we know it. And then I'm like, but what did happen? Because it's between Maybe it was like an imaging thing. Maybe it was the fact that it was the first thing we heard something about it, and maybe it was just did too much, but like something about it, like it's just not one of her, It's not Cannon for her, for not Cannon. It's it felt like an anomaly. Um. Yeah, but you and I talked checked in on Lover the other day. You're still listening to it, listening to it. I'm listening to Cruel Summer basically every day. I mean, for me, I would have and this guy get us into another topic. I would have voted for Lover for Song of the Year just because for the Grammys, which it didn't win. It was a bad Guy by Billie Eilish along with everything else. Because I feel like when you're giving an Awards song of the Year, that should mean like you're introducing a beautiful new song that can be performed by many people to the cannon and Billie Eilish Bad Guy is like, sure it was an important record of the year, like it says two like doubt, yes, but in terms of like song of the year, in terms of like lyrical construction and like like actually being a song, I don't know. And I think that Lover is like such a gorgeous In Billy's defense, I feel like there was other There are other songs on UM on that album that are beautiful works of songwriting. Not incredible, yes, incredible. And she did sweep the damn Grammys. She swept. She is She is an icon. She is a nicon. She is the moment. She is the moment. Darling, um are we? Are we? Anything else you want to say about Miss American? Miss Americana was probably one of the better pop star documentaries. Sure, I think I'd rank it above two is a little a little scattered. It's a little scattered and like it was fascinating to watch, like her physical struggles, but then I could sort of do without the like her smoking a cigarette talking about Madonna. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, okay, okay, Stephanie Germanada. It is that definitely Germanano was in some ways a little more aware that the camera was in front of her him right right, So I don't know. Um, oh, well we've got to we got a choosing adventure to be talking about Gaga. Do we talk about Grammys? Well, it looks like we can talk about what we're here. We're here at Gaga. We're feeling excited, We're very excited for New Gaga. Stupid Love is you know, I love very good and miss Josh Sharpen Aaron Jackson saying stupid love and in a fun, little like broken down version for all people to open with that. For the Valentine's Day show perfect I would love So fun, they dressed up as cupids and they sang stupid Love and live band like guitar drums sounds so good comes up. But musically You're like, oh, yes, this is a very well constructed So I'm excited. I'm really pumped. I want her to be dancing again. I want her to absolutely stomp the yard. I want I want her to sort of create an army of gaze. Again, we've been talking about this insane to watch, not in terms of like it's insane that Gaga is doing this because it's like crack pop Gaga what we've always expected, but it's fascinating to see her post Star is Born kind of dig her heels deeper into like the weird, the weirdness that Gaga is to revisit like Gaga being Gaga in a post Star is Born world where she was like tearfully accepting awards all season like, and we saw this other side to her. It's just so funny because you're like, oh, you're truly nuts. No, But I don't think it's that she's nuts. It's that it just reinforces this whole her whole sort of like her whole organizing principle around her fame, which is to perform performed, and her doing the award circuit last year was her performing like oh my god, I can't believe I want like she Do you think that's true? Yes, I absolutely think that's true. Her just performing the funk out of that trope of like a famous person. She's just she's trying, She's putting on different fame drag. That's all she's been doing her whole career. That's a fucking amazing take. I think that that's because even like the classic screen couple of it all, Yes, that's that's exactly what it is. Her and Bradley like this man like every speech was her being like and Bradley you believe you know, and then the people think it's a hundred people. It's like, it's so, it's so deliberate. It has to be deliberate. She is a genius. She's a genius. And for her and her doing Enigma and her doing this Super Saturday thing, it's like, it's so I don't know what the references exactly, but it's her truly being like I mean, she was back to like dick out, have some big cocks and South out, bath fast, get your dicks out. I had it got big cock here in Northern Ireland. It's I miss Fay Monster Gaga so much any too. I hope we get it back. I want her to get a crazy as. I want her coming out like in Cover. I want her coming out on the red carpet wearing you know, two band aids and a cork and covering herself and catch up and being like this is for the Middle East, Like I want I want that insanity. I want like messaging that's messy and fucking crazy. And I think it's genius that she performed Starlet. Yes, Oscar because I'll tell you, for her to actually give a performance that was that good, like the performance and Amance. Yes, because she's stunning in Stars Warring. And when she got nominated for the Oscar, no one was like. Everyone was like, yeah, she's great. Yeah, You're like, yeah, I give it. I mean even though that is such a in many ways a sloppy film, and she's wonderfully slopping. I mean, like seeing Ninet, what is it? It's likely improvised, it's so and it's but it's so good, and you're like, what, get out? Honestly, get out, get out, Get the funk out. Also, I will say this, this is shameful. Right after this and we're back. The other day, I tweeted, why did you do that? Do that? Do that? Do that? Do that? To me? It was my most successful tweet I've had in months. I was I read that tweet from the last culture his account and I cried in bad It's I don't know what about it from me? Why did you do that? To do that? Do that? Do that to me? It's iconic culture. It's so fun. And we're standing here in still talking about stars Born and that's something my favorite partist, Diane Warren being like, know you guys that we were trying to write it like a good bops. They were like all reports, like we love that this song is horseship. Can you talk to us about your process of writting a bad song to show that Ali's bad and to sell out And she was like, oh, we were like what is that that? I'm actually proud of the song. But um, yes, did you did you see my insane new Oscar nominated song from the movie Breakthrough, performed by Christie Mets What is our life? I don't know, but I mean Diane Warren at the Oscars is its own performance. But back to Diane Warren and from the audience after that song, and she's fully sobbing. She knew that she had moved the world. She knew that I'm standing with you from Breakthrough had changed the world. And I think she was I thought she had a chance of winning. I don't know, you can't win against um wait who won again. Well, it was oh my god, this is how much this category is. Like, I mean, honestly, honestly, Into the Unknown should have won if they weren't going to nominate that song that Mary Steinbergen wrote. Do you care about this? Mary Steinbergan wrote a song Shoot, okay, this is a psychotic story. Mary Steenbergen. Yeah, had surgery on something something she needs to go and then she woke up. She woke up and was a musical genius. She had never This is fucking insane. It's like within the last like five years it happened. And then she hasn't been acting as much because all she can do is think of music. So there's like, this is insane, you guys. Musical thoughts attack her in the middle of the night and she has to write her music because after her surgery she's now thinks in musical terms and I can't stop. So she wrote a gorgeous song that's at the end of wild Rose called Glasgow and um it was like it won like all sorts of awards, and then it got snub for the Oscar and it was actually like one of the biggest Oscar snubs and then um, and it could have won if it was in the category. Oh you know what one was the Elton Johnson, which literally what a good story to have them both when Yeah, definitely wonderful, but um, we should say that as we were watching the Oscars. I was here in l A watching the Oscars. I was watching the Best Original Song nomine performances, and I was like, why do we even have this category at this point? And then I remember because every few years we get you get a shower or I'll let it go and you need it. But it's like sometimes these nominees, it's like you could tell. It's like Diane Warren is gonna poop out and I'm standing with you from Breakthrough and it's gonna get nominated on her name alone, and like why do we have this? And why? Um? But that Mary Stanberg thing is funny. I mean, it happens with people who wake up and learn of know a full new language. It's crazy. What can happen to your brain? It's actually real culture number. It's crazy what can happen to your brain? Hashtag during surgery? Hashtag during surgery. Now let's move on to a wider OSCARS conversation. I feel like we've moved well before we move away from this original song, I want to say, did you see Adina's perform It's along with every other international as absolutely what a beautiful safety nut literally genius way to do that, because it's like a nod to how internationally like it's huge important and like move it's I was moved watching it because I was like wow, like girls all the world over like are watching this movie and that's great. And I did not love Frozen two, but like whatever, um the Frozen cannon. I think it's positive. Um, but her Adina's notes were right, but she was rushing through her fucking trip. That's I felt that too. She was, she was about three hours ahead of the music. What is it about aDNA gets nervous on TV? I think she gets nervous, but she's a damn Broadway that's true. But I think when something is televised, get it, movie people, and I freaks out, get it. I totally get it. She doesn't look calm and there's This is not to say that she is not that those performances aren't successful on some level. No, they keep us talking absolutely, but I pray for her. I pray for her yeah, And I famously said on this podcast at Zina is a base and I have to say she was hitting her. She was hitting her solid tent, you know, ten or one notes and we support her and the notes were good. Just it was a little fast this time, a little fast. Um okay. So I mean speaking of best original song, that eminem performance, we don't. I mean, there's what hell? What hasn't been? Sad girl? What? It felt so desperate? I mean, no one still, no one knows why not even Marshall Mathers himself, what was going on? All of a sudden he came out. I was like, what is his sports? Not even an anniversary because I was about two thousand three. Or tell you what, I would have respected it more if they had booked him to come out, just say the word faggot and then leave, because then I would have said, you know what, it's art, it's confronting the artist, it's confronting the culture now, which is so sensitive. And never forget that he called his faggots every day. Every day he called specifically reached out to us and called his bag. He actually texted me, He texted me every day, Marshall, I say, girl, girl, what are you doing because think he doesn't text me. But it's important that we don't erase the fact that that Marshall Mathers a k a. Eminem was the most famous homophobe in the world. Yes, and um, you know, now we kind of throw around this uh sort of eligibility. We go, oh, you know, Laura Doran can say faggot whatever, it's well, it's it's we're beyond that with Eminem. We're like, it's not that Eminem can't say fagets that he has has done it many times in a malicious and a hurtful way. And I can, who was felt confronted by it every single day and whose life was worse for having him in the media, that I don't want to see him at the Oscars, something pretty much exclusively watched by gay men and women who he also talked about beating exclusively in his music. So I don't understand really why we're doing this, you cause and actually we can say that the friendship with him and Elton John makes no sense either. And I don't think John. I don't think so, honey, Elton John is friends of Eminem. Girl. Honestly, I don't need it. I don't need it. Okay, let's talk with the oscars as a whole. So no, I mean the gag. Since we've last spoken, I don't know you said you were about to watch Parasite on a plane. I did watch it. I have not heard your thoughts, and I'm truly shocked that you have not spilled forth and told me what you thought about the film. Shocking film, a fantastic film, impactful. I thought, the real announcement of a new directorial voice, Like I know he's done so many films and people have been a fan of his films, but now like for this to be this mainstream thing like Pung Jung Ho. I believe this makes him truly an international, an old brand, because I was what I'll tell you what I watched after I watched the film is I often like to go back and see, like I'll go on YouTube and following a little wormhole about takes on the film, and you know, there's this really good piece and I wish I could recall off the top of my head what YouTube channel it is, but that really walks through the sequence which is spoiler alert, getting um the mother to replace their housekeeper, about the pace at which that sequence moves and how it's all very timed down. He's obsessed with rhythm. I thought, this is really amazing. This is someone who's like brain is connected to their talent and in a way and and like can really articulate the way they want things to play out on screen in a way that I feel is worthy of being in the same name recognition as those directors he was nominated with. And I think, after having watched it, that is a very good screenplay, win director, win and win. Now the the for me, it's just so crazy and I did not. I was I got chills when he won the Best Original screen because I was like, oh, he might win this, he might say I actually I predicted it for a picture. I kind of had a feeling for picture too, and I was like, just in a perfect right that it's either that or I mean, based on prognosticators, it was down between. It was between Parasite, That's what they were saying, and there was like spoiler was once upon a time, if there was like if there was gonna be something cuckoo happening. And I was like, you know, I think that the Parasite film was going to win because you saw the way that everyone reacted when they won, like the sag Award, that was a moment everyone's like and like watching them all on stage, did the like the ensemble, You're like, yes, this movie and I was really the acting snubs, these snubs and it is a raiser because well that's what it is, because I mean, we can say pretty definitively that the reason why none of those actors were nominated is probably because the overwhelmingly white voting body did not bother to learn their names. But it's also like, I mean, you nominated Rinko Cokuchi, Sure did, but I think that Rinco Cockuchi was one of the only Asian actresses in the film, and I think I honestly think they just saw Asian like, okay, we can't tell them. And it contributes to the faces narrative which I believe the Western world puts on the Eastern world because we don't put the time and effort into Oh and I can get into this later about a fucking disease that's spreading through the world and how we're kind of very casually dehumanizing the people who are dying. Anyway, absolutely, and this would not be something that would happen if it was happening in Connecticut a coronavirus. Yes, I mean we we would not be even making a joke about it anyway. Um, but I'll get into that later. But I'm so glad you liked it. I would have given two nominous to the cast. I would have given Mrs Park absolutely to me. The performance of the film that I will remember is the Mrs Park the rich Mother, because the film doesn't really work without that performance being like so you're like, oh you like her, and you so funny you like her, but you are like you understand, like you're frustrated with her, but also like you get it. The specific things in the script like buy me drugs. They worked so well because she was giving such a specific performance her like sexual chemistry with her husband. Loved it, her weird little relationships with everyone in the movie, Like this is a woman who's like that sort of rich woman who nothing really bad has really ever happened to her, and so she's able to open up to people like she kind of loved the attentions, the whole thing where it's like they're like when the family, when the Kims are like eating and drinking at the in the living room. They're like they're so nice, but it's like they can afford to be that blew my mind. Oh my god. The movie made me think so many I've not been able to stop thinking. It's an amazing performance and sun Kano. I have given him the nomination for a Supporting Actor just because I feel that he you really, he's one of those actors where you remember his face. He's such an emotional face, like little things like like like anguish and also like um, self satisfication, self satisfaction, like it's all there. There's so much going on. And I would also, you know, say the entire cast is amazing, entire cast is great, and like I would say, the protagonist of the movie is probably the son. The son, and I thought he was great and you know, um housekeeper. Though I'm liking on the actresses, yeah, obsessed, like it was able to portray like Asian female all suffering such a fun I must say, fun way. Yes, it was kind of fun to see her like gravel, gravel, gravel, and then when when and then when the rest of the Kimes fall, it just immediately turned and sho records and she's like, I'll send this and so fun. You know, so hard to with a script that really takes big swings keep the tone because even when the tone quote unquote tone shifted and it became not really a comedy more it became a tragedy um and very dark at the end and violent. Yes, um, I still felt like it was within the voice. Yes it's and that is a real achievement. It reminds me it's like a it's like a Jordan Peel movie and it's very that. Um. And anyway, I I'm so glad you liked it, and I just I just thrilling to watch it. When the Oscar thrilling every New Award, I was like, yes, and I just kept believing and believing, especially because the acting reasons were so fun, so boring. Um. But I mean, I think was Jason kim Um, who has just his journey all Awards season of just being so obsessed with parasite is. She was truly so fun to track. But he commented on miss Jane Fond his breathwork an incredible performance because she opens the envelope and you can tell that like she understood this is miss Hannoy Jane we're talking about. She saw she saw this and she was like, oh my god, I took a breath parasite, like, what a moment. And she knew it was going to be a moment and so fun. And she reword that dress that she's worn in the past, sustainable fashion, Thank you. She also brought that red coat out that she's been getting arrested in. You notice that she was holding her iconic redcoat that she's gotten arrested in like twelve What an icon Jane fund did you see? Jane. Yes, I can't recommend this enough to the readers. You must. It is so good, you guys, I mean, and you cannot do anything but respect and stand. And the thing is it's also you get an understanding and and it's also a film about the difficulty of being a woman in this or any industry, just about like how culturally like it is very difficult to get out of the shadow of men who dominate you. And it is about men. It is about it is about the relationship to men, and just not no spoilers, but every it's it's like five chapterion Jane Jane, and five acts, and the first four acts are all names of the men in her life that were that were her husbands or her father. And then the last one is called Jane, and it's like, what, it's very very good, Jane fond It is an icon. I knew when I saw the list of presenters. I'm like, she'll be presenting the best picture. I had the feeling, and then she did. Before we go to break what your thoughts on um at acting winners? I thought about this today and someone pointing this out to I mean, we love that Ms Dern has an Oscar. Strange that that was the roles that she got it for. And you know, I've talked about this like ad nauseum, like while we've been off the air. It feels insane to still be talking about it. But I'll just wrap this. My thoughts on it are you can't tell me that that was not an Oscar win for someone that we the Royal we are all obsessed with right now. We are, I mean, that's should we We saw an opportunity to give her an Oscar and we gave her one that wasn't performance. Wasn't the performance. But it happens all the time, and it's and we're not saying that it's it's it's not earned or anything it's just it's interesting, and it sort of peels back the layer of the whole sort of facade of the meritocracy of awards. It's like, Okay, it's not it's not like a direct correlation. There's a million other factors that are outside of it. And I also feel like it just goes to show that like how much further ahead and how much better television is than film right now, because we can see her do that literally fourteen times on every episode of Big Little Lies Better, like blow that ship away, and I I just feel like, you know, I hope it's not that thing where in five years, like she gives a performance that's like truly amazing and we feel like we gave it to her already, because that's how you get the thing of Renee wins for Cold Mountain right when she should have won for Chicago and right, and and it's like that's how you pick the can further down the road, and then like you're like, who cares about this? You know what I mean? It kind of takes some value away. I don't know. Um. And then good for Brad Loved Loved Him in Once Upon, Um, good for miss Joaquin, miss Wain is certainly a performance. And we stand Renee, We stand Renee, And I don't know about that speech. They're gonna have to pass on that. We're gonna have to get a writer for that one. We're gonna have to whittle down that list of name drops. He's gonna have to edit that one. I'm gonna have to edit that. We're gonna have to uh two times speed that one. Okay, So we once, we're gonna, we're gonna go. We're gonna go to a break with them. We're back. We've got to talk about this thing that's poisoned our brains. This means that I wouldn't say poison, but it's truly it's added something. And we'll talk about it. But we're gonna go to break and we'll be right back. Okay, we're back. So, Matt, before we went to break, we sort of dipped into this new vernacular way of this this this way that we speak now, which is so it's so interesting that it's happening now. Basically, you guys, we've become um powerless against the Aretha Franklin interview where she says good gowns beautiful. I mean, that's the that's the poll quote. We all know writer young producer Whitney was a talent, and this that we've we've become. We went to Puerta Viarda with some friends time and just sat around and watch this interview. And then I don't know if this ever happens to you guys, the readers, but like something will just become so fun and stupid to say that it's all you can say. That's become us with this. This is different though, this is really my personality. Yeah, same and and so she has this one line in it, this is the locust that you're focusing on? Is that? Um? You know, the interviewer asks her about Nikim Minash and she goes, Nicki Minaj, I'm gonna have to pass on that one. So now it's just become I'm gonna have to stand on that one. It's gonna have to admire that one's gonna have to be skeptical on that one. I'm gonna have to ride that one. Um. And we went to Disneyland recently and we had to put on ponchos for the river right the Grizzly River and have to put a punch on for that one. But my favorite distillation of it is going, I'm gonna have to put that you gonna have to put on that one. I'm gonna have to put on that one. I'm gonna have to sit on that one. It's we are becoming the stupidest people in America, and it's happening at a very quick rate. So I want to tell you all, if it gets to the point where we are doing this podcast and it's musha, musha, musha, understand it's a wreatha Franklin's for being too iconic, but for just just the way she's like is struggling through this interview being like okay, Alesia Key, okay, good producer, young producer, good writer, young performer, young performer. And it got to the point where me, you, Patrick Rodgers, and Jared took a car back from this new yest part was sick, a lovely talkative driver. I was talking us all about, you know, the sort of the changing dynamics of taxis in Puerto Vierta, and just talking us about all the new writers and stuff. And we truly all we only spoke to him in Aretha Franklin sound bite. Well, no one in the car could understand each other anymore because of the language barriers and because of the just the substances that were we were extremely on substances. And um, he was like saying how it was busy night for him. We were just like stand on that one to stand on the good driver rights. And then he would just be like people, yes, very young drivers and would be like and he and it was psycho psycho he he would not stop talking. No, he was the most talkative lift driver. So truly, it meant that we had openings to say anything we wanted any time, and it would not would not have been heard. So we so me, you and Patrick just in the backseats would just be like, okay, okay, stand good roads, good roads, good roads, young road, long roads. And and since his baby and baby, and we can't stop and we can't stop, and so sorry that was a talent. That driver was a talent and Sissy's baby and baby, and unfortunately we will try our best to not have that perfected the rest of the episode. But don't trust that. Don't trust you can't trust ourselves. But before we move on from the oscars too too much, okay, I think this is something to say about the oscars, which spend segways into what I think was a cultural mamma for our lifetimes. The j Los J Los, Okay, you're gonna have to pass on that. I have to pass them, Gonna have to um turn off the oscars on that one. I'm gonna have to disagree with that one's gonna have to fight for that one, gonna have to I'm gonna have to slam the Academy, say Academy on that particular one, because thanks for making it way less fun y'all. We could have seen the dress we play dress, not even the dress, you know what I'm saying, Like you needed to invite Kathy Bates what to bring the glamour bitch. Miss Bates didn't even want to be there. She got to see Jerry from Cheer on the red carpet and that was like truly the highlight. Verson she did not want to be there. She probably wasn't shocked as anyone else. What is going on? Just let Kathy spend a Sunday night at home, don't drag her out to fucking you know will be there J LO after the year she's had. Oh my god, I can tell you way to stick it in and break it off when she hosted Can I tell you I went to that damn dinner? Yeah? Can you talk about that? It was I can't say too much, but she you could tell she was very excited for the years. She dropped a little hints about the Super Bowl perform and she had just FaceTime with Secure's team, and so Bowen went to the SNL has a dinner with the host and some of the cats get to go, and bow And went to the one with Jayla and it was truly wild, and you could just tell that she was excited, and she was like, you know, I'm She's like, she was like, you know, I'm you know, I'm in a very fun place in my career. It's like, oh my god, like and she deserves it, Yeah, and I was. And also the performance deserved to be nominated with the rest of those. I mean, I personally would have voted for it, but it cleared the way from Mrs Durrance, and I did vibe. I did vote for her for SAG, but anyone went to lordn someone I love, someone you love and it's like, I also love fairness. So there you go. It's it's really tough to sort of weigh your your value, your values in this way. Yeah, because it's like then you're then you're the gay who's saying that Laura Dern didn't deserve it. But I'm just sorry. I will continue to be the truth teller, a seer. I will continue to be a seer, thank you, and we will do that, and we will do that on this podcast and we have the platform. Now let's move towards joy and talk about this god damn super Bowl halftime one of the best. I would say, maybe I'm actually going to be hyperbolic. Maybe I can't remember enjoying one more. And this does not take anything away from Beyonce, who is the queen of both times she did the super Bowl, but it was a different flavor. Oh my god, what they were so good? Was exceeded my act my very high expectations, girl, My expecitions were very high. She Wolf was the first song performed at the halftime Super Bowl, and that's gay rights, and that's gay rights, that's gay rights. I'm gonna have to gonna have to stand on that one. Her fucking shredding that good are I'm gonna have to stand on that and I have to gonna have to watch that one. I'm gonna have to be impressed by that one. And then when she did her belly dance, I was like, this is so and the lightning was perfect. When they did the close up of Shakira's face, she looked so fucking stunning. I was like, this wacko that she looks as beautiful. And to bring her just because we're staying on Shakira for now, but to reincorporate her into the performance on the drums, oh my god, genius truly well, And when they cut to her and she was playing those drums, I fell out. I felt like, that is the funniest shot I've ever seen. It's so cool, so good. And also you forget whenever, wherever, and that was a cultural moment. Oh yeah. When that song came out, we and I had just started taking sixth grade Spanish Bitch, which and it was huge for that class. You actually better count yourself as lucky that your breath are small and humble. They would be confused with mountains. It's actually real culture number thirty. You're actually as lucky that your breaths are humble so that they are not confused with mountains. Lucky, and that's a message. Gonna have to read the text on that gonna have to examine the text on that one. I'm gonna have to gonna have to say the lyrics on that one. It's stupid. We cannot turn back from that son crying. It's so suddenly out of nowhere. It's the funniest thing that we can no longer think for ourselves. Yeah, well, it's actually on track with the rest of the world. How it's going seventy degrees in ANARCA the other day you told me I'm fine sinking And the last thing I says, like gas for breath is gonna have to try to Likena, have to gonna have to gas for breath on that one. I'm gonna have to grow some gills on that one. Good about to become a cuser in a water world of film on on that one. Okay, well, but we got from Jo now, Okay, So first of all, just to put a period on it, Shakira one of the best performers alive. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Then Jlo comes to funk out. Well, first of all, I've never seen anyone more beautiful that pose. Oh my god, the way the skirt flowed out, just someone who was so amned to do the super Bowl and every moment, Oh my god, what an icon when an icon gave you full Kylie Minogue, all the Lover's music video fantasy bodies piled on top of each other, the boys beautiful that just were nuts. They were killing it so good. We got get right at the super Bowl jagged. When that happened, I was like, absolutely, We're so lucky on the floors one of my favorite songs of all time. Play it at my wedding, funeral, graduation, graduation. Stay tuned for a future episode where we referenced this. But oh my god, um also just waiting for tonight. When she got up on the pole. First of all, no one can ever do that green light again. That's her light, that color of the greenes. You knew exactly what it was. I was like, this, she owns this light and truly, like, has she laid claim to polls now? No one can pull dance again, No one can pull dance on ever again. And she was like, by the way, never forget hustlers. I remember I was watching with Jared and he goes, never forget hustlers. Truly, never forget never forget, and the Academy forgot. And then she said, I'm actually gonna pull dance at the super Bowl. You Fox, Yeah, it's actually watched by more people, and Laura Dern could never do it. Can I say something? You can say whatever you want. Actually I was. I watched the Super Bowl quite frankly at Miss Heidi Gardner's apartments. We actually stand Gardner and we're going to have to stand on We're gonna have to stand on stand on that one. She was feeling the chief spirits she had. She shared her Kansas City friends who are so sweet, who took the time to really explain the rules of football to me. I did you know do you know the rules of You're pretty familiar with the rules of What happens in football is you throw the ball to each other and men try to run across the line at the end of the field. And that's literally not even at the end of the field. It kind of moves. That's what happens. Is the first down line, Yes, and you need to keep getting the first down so that you can have more chances to get that. Okay, so you've known this for a long time. I've actually known this for a long time because my father was a varsity football You have to remember I once was a babyhood a little jersey that said little Rogers on the back of My dad was actually known as a quote defensive coordinator genius on the Long Island I believe, okay, and an award winning defensive coordinator at that. That being said, that is going on with most of the Why are the plays so complicated with the little men like oh that it's like the xs and ohs that you draw. You're trying to run to the other side because either you throw it, someone has the option to, like girl, throw it to one person or another person. I look and then at times the QB runs himself. Sometimes he's just giving the ballow to someone else. I gotta do a deeper dive. But really, all it took because Sudy and I were there at this party together and we were like, wait a minute, we kind of get we kind of get what's going on, and this is this is very fun to watch all these straight men have figured it out. I don't I'm not gonna make a comment on that. Okay, you're gonna pass on that. I'm gonna have to pass on that one. But then the next day I go into work and then I literally google football rules yeah, and like watching at two time speed because I was like, I don't have a lot of time, let's go and absorbed at all, not all, but I was just like, oh, I get it now, and this is fun and interesting, and I thank god for j Loo Shicure because if if it was and miss Heidi Gardner, which who I put on the same pedestals those are actually the three three. But I was like, thank God for this because now I'm interested in this. My horizons have expanded, and I'm kind of into this new thing called new culture. Culture. I would say this, I have a couple of notes for football, and it's just thoughts and and people. Costumes are better, should be better. I would say that I could we could use an update on the cost Yes, yes, yes, one thing. There's a quarterback and a cornerback. I feel these two words are too similar, as I think we should just change um. I think yeah, like quarterback, I think should we should keep calling him a quarterback because that's the culture. Cornerback should be like quarterbacks should be like angle angle back or something or just I don't know. I would just call him like back. I would I was miss back, I would say, well, what does the cornerback do? Do you know that? I don't think I know that? Is he the one who snaps the ball? Call him the snapper snapper? That's much easier. But so that's one of my notes. Also, these brains are becoming mush This is so my my, my, My small thing is we have to change quarter back in cornerback. My big thing is their brains were coming us and we're not. We're there're nothing's being done about it. I mean, outside of Will Smith making a movie about Doug's laughing, it's not it's no laughing. It's actually not funny. I'm actually not funny at all. I'm going to have to disapprove on them. I have to disapprove on that one. We have straight people in the booth who are I guess laughing at us, And I'm sorry, but I mean, there's there's things to point out that costumes need an upgrade quarterback cornerback. It needs to be a snapper quarterback, and the brains should We should do something about them. If you're gonna talk to queer people about football, the last thing we're gonna do is dehumanize the player, right exactly. I also think that we actually, you know, how they're actually moving to cut the dancing and celebrations when they do a touchdown before well, that's that's that's that's how you end up having like personalities in football and like hello, like you end up loving the people because they're of the dancing girl. You know, Ticky Barber. You've heard of this pros dancer, a dancer, and we need more of that. I think miss j J. Watt was a dancer. Well you know her. I listen. I gotta say J. J. Watt lovely had a very good experience. I love that for you. I did not know who J. J. Watt was when it was announced and I looked at it, said host J J. Watt, And I said, is there someone in the culture that I do not know? And that I said, of course an athlete, very very fun, very fun person. I'll say, this hot and could snap me in half if he wanted, could take my neck and rip my head clear off my body, and I'd be fine. I gonna have to gonna have to agree on that. One could break my arm. Um on him breaking your arm, I agree with that. Yeah, Okay, So I just know that I will know it wouldn't be upset about it. I'd be happy. Okay. Anything else to cover on super Bowl I don't think so Okay. Um, So that's the super Bowl. Amazing slay and we should say that incredible chill inducing moment when she revealed the Puerto Rican fly. Oh my god born in the USA pages Jayla Wins j Lo Wins. Um. So super Bowl was incredible. Now we've spoken about the Grammys a little bit billy that I just took over. I don't know what anyone, to be honest, I didn't watch well. It was a sad event because that was the day of Kobe. Yes, and can I tell you where I was when I found out that Kobe Bryant has passed away. So Patrick Rodgers and I who has become my sister? He is and the thing is like I love him, We love and we are the house because we have the same last name and he's become a sister. And so now we have a ritual where we go to the wee Spa. I won't say when we go because then people, well we'll follow. I don't know, um, but I like going to this we spa and to be in the sauna and it's not a crauzy thing, no, no, no no, it's just like a nice, like family oriented. Chloe was telling me about how she loves it. Yeah, So we spas fucking great. And we were sitting there and we were in the sauna and we were watching television and it was breaking news that this tragedy had happened with Kobe Bryant and one of the most met in America, especially in Los Angeles, Jesus Christ. And so watching men Los Angeles based men come into the sauna fully naked, seeing them turn to the screen and realize what was happening, and watching these more nude realized that Kobe Bryant had died, was like, there's never nothing, but I've never seen anything more vulnerable. My god, it was I'll never forget where I was when that happened. Oh my god. We were like gags who were like, how does this happen? And so crazy not to bring it down, but no, no, no, no, no, it's it's you forget man, well, truly accident. The thing that I was sort of like taking away from it was that it's just like, for no reason, these things just happen for truly no reason, and it's it just it just like speaks to like the fragility of it all. The fact that he went to church and like we can't even realize the last week was to Lebron and it's just like, yeah, it's like crazy. I mean, when you get into the pacifics of the rest of it, it's just too sad. So obviously that was a very very very bad day. And um, watching the Grammy's that night, like I almost was happy that it was Alicia Keys. Like I don't love Alicia Keys as a Grammy's host, Like I'm over like the let's do good vibes hosting. I think that we should have jokes. I think we should be laughing and we watch those things. So I don't love her as a host, but you almost that day was were like it's kind of good, you know, because I think all we need is just to like settle into the problem reality of this. I'm like, you know, move through it. Um, But that was that was a crazy evening. That was one where I woke up and was just like went to the bathroom and just like scrolled through my phone and it was like wait, wait, what is crazy. I didn't believe it was happening for a while. Yeah, it was weird to be here too, because I I think I didn't grasp like what I thought he was in Los Angeles, like I've never cared about basketball. But yeah, um well, outside of that, the Grammys were fun and wait, oh this is what I wanted to say, Demi, Demi. God. Now there was just it was the battle of the ballads at this mine. It felt like which Camilla Okay, the Camilla First Man performance. I actually stabbed that song. Okay, And I'm gonna have to cry for my father on I'm kind of you ll the first Man love Me. I'm a little chilled. I'm not chilled. I just find it very interesting how And I'm not saying that it's irredeemable. She's irredeemable, but it's we're we've all kind of very quickly moved from the unword of it all. Right, But here's my thing with her and the N word of it all. It's like I think that she seemed like someone who culturally like was not it was just not aware she could. But I don't know about that because the normanity the normany thing, what kind of creeps me the funk out. What happened with the Normandy is like on his interviews now being like yeah, like they were coordinated like online like campaigns, attack campaigns that she kind of like sort of like dog whistled, like like like I'm butchering it. But like but Normani has basically been out there like when the whole like Nward thing, like the Tumbler thing like came out, like apparently Normani was just like yeah, I mean, I was getting fucking vile ship from Camilla fans and it seemed like it was like from the sword, like it was coming from one place. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have to stay team Romany on that one. I mean, yeah, I mean if we're picking, so I don't know, I mean not that we're picking, but it's just like I feel that bums me out because I was really liking Camilla and there's room to like her and I'm not and I'm not saying that it's I'm not saying like cancel, cancel, cancel, because that's like also like such so absolute and stupid, but like it's it's just like wait a minute, Well, bottom line is she's still Cinderella. That's the thing too. I'm like, okay, and we're like, we're like very like casually announcing all these new casting things that are how thing with this movie, and I think it probably would be too much to like do anything with that. I also, I'm saying there's a lot of Chamilla news that like is being like kind of like celebrated, not celebrated. We're just like cool. My thing too with the whole First Man performance was like she's singing the song to her dad about how like it's time to give me up to the man of my dreams who I've met and I'm with, and it's like Sean, Okay, here we go. She thinks Mentis is the one. Oh my god, whose disease is this? What do we do? Oh wow, I don't know. I'm gonna have to pass. I'm gonna have to question question that one. But anyway, um and DEMI I thought, I yeah, I live. She sucking slay the super Bowl Slay the super Bowl was wide open at the Grammys. Hey, he she was giving you the notes. She's never sounding better, a full gape of a mouth, the lyrics that lyrics. I feel stupid when I sing that is that's real raw. Wait to see what she has. We have a lot of respect for her and also Billie Eilish one a approximately seventeen Grammys and um slay on Silver Girl, Play on Silver Girl, Green Girl, Green Green Girl. You're gonna have to like your bond theme on that one. Gonna have to love the Gucci on the um. Speaking of music news, uh Adelway's eight pounds Okay, where are you with this? I'm sort of like concerned it's okay, and I'm concerned about the coverage of it because like they're literally like reaching out to her friends or truly who knows if they're her friends, if they're just like fucking acquaintances. Were like, yeah, the divorce is actually really good for her in terms of her body. It's like, shut up. I don't like the whole discourse around it. She definitely has lost a ton of weight. I hope that she's doing it in a healthy way. I just it's always shocking to me to see such a dramatic weight loss because she didn't need to know whatever. I hope that she's I just hope she's happy. That's all. Whenever whenever I see someone who's appearance has drastically changed, and you know they've had a hard time. I just say, I hope they're happy. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it doesn't rule it out right, and just it doesn't rule out that that it's all buttressed by like good stuff, by like healthy behaviors. Um. Looking forward to the music, looking forward to the music, and when the narrative can be about the music is sure. And she leaked that it's coming out in September, Yeah, which we love, which we love. And I've been listening to Skyfall a lot because of the billy song coming out, and I'm still in love. Classic voices, haunting, I mean, and and that's why you have. Best original song is for the Skyfall years, for yours, your your your strally for your sky falls. Um, so listen, speaking of um, speaking of moments, moments, what a transition, what a segue, Jamila, jim Oh, I thought you were gonna go somewhere else, Jimmy, we gotta talk about so let's just let's just try and wrap this up in as tight a boon as possible. Jamie Jamil. Literally seconds after the Good Place Sence has revealed her full crazy, she gets announced as a like m C and like head judge on this show. Apparently the first press press release was wrong because it said she was the MC. So she comes out, but how is the press release from from HBO Max. So then she comes as and then she gets all this flak for not being this queer person who is like the face of this voguing show, this ballroom show. And then the next sort of day, Yeah, this sort of whips ode of this is that she says, I'm allowed to do this because I'm queer, and yeah, I wish it wasn't like this, and I wish it didn't come to this, but so that so that and then she correctly cam queer. She corrected the press release too by saying I'm not the m C, I am the head head judge. Doesn't make a difference to me, it makes less sense because there's no reason she should be judging it if she were a presenter of it. Well that's something that she does, like you don't necessarily need to have know how about the voguing and ball season if you're the host, but to be a judge and then to correct and be like no, no, no no, I'm not the host. I'm just a judge. That's not anyway. That's really annoying. But she can't have her cake any two where she's going, Um, I'm queer, I'm allowed to do this, But then she also goes, but I'm also not part of this ballroom scene, and so that actually makes me an entry point for other people who aren't into who aren't into voguing as well. It's like, okay, so then either you're standing with the queer sort of shade of this or you're just being I don't know. It's She's like, I'm going to say anything, and of course it makes sense, and you're like, the wait, it feels like a gas lady on like a mass level. And then did you see her get into it with Trace La Set No, I didn't see that, Okay, So Tracey La set tweets that she was up for all the same ship that Jamila was up for. I didn't get it despite actually being a house mother from the ball scene and like like a true queen from that scene, like authentically from that culture. And she was like, well, I auditioned for this ship and didn't get it, so this is weird. And Jamila responded to Trace and be like Hey, babe, I think what you auditioned for was this? Not this? We were up for the same thing. And she goes, no, girl, I know what I auditioned for. Also, I don't need to audition to be a housemother. I am one, so et cetera. This is like like step back. She set her absolutely right. But then the kness about the parade of illnesses and diseases and accidents. She said, She's, oh, I see, I fully disengaged and checked out at this point. I just I if I like starre to, if I stare too long at this kind of thing, it just it just it stares back. What is this? She's she's got a bunch of diseases. She's like, I've had cancer a million times. I was hitting. It's like she's like talks about like things that have happened in you gotta if you search it. There's like Instagram threads where they collect all of the things that she has said about herself and things that she's gone through and they put them all together and it's shocking, No, this is this. And the thing is like she's like, come after the people that are like reporting on it are like talking about it um and been like, how dare you? How dare your dare you? And I'm like, how come no part of the narrative here isn't you saying I know it's crazy, all these things have happened to me, but it's true. Like there's no call out of like how it's an insane amount of things to happen to one person. It's just her presenting it all this fact and saying, Yep, it's true and if you believe me. If you don't believe me, you are insane. And it's like, no, girl, and this stuff has all happened to you. That is wild. You should be studied. You should be studied as the unluckiest woman in the world. Oh my god, as opposed to Shakira. You're gonna have to raise that one. Listen that it's tough. It's tough. It's like, clearly this person needs a resource, reach out, reach out. That's what we'll say about that. Let's talk about the two are actually three three Netflix moments. Okay, here Circle, which I'm still I'm only I'm only an episode two of and so I think you have not watched The Circle and I have not watched Cheer. Okay, great, So then let's let's just educate each other. So you educate me on The Circle. The Circle, I think is an incredible, important, um reality show on Netflix that has gotten the closest to satirizing and examining social media in terms of entertainment and the artifics the artifice of it and what we can get away with and what people, um people's fears are about social media and peoples like advantages are on social media based on their real personality. It's very interesting and I really like it and I think it ends very satisfied. Great, I should finish it because right now I'm just having a hard time with like then being like, hey, private message, Mercedes, we should form in your lines love you girl. Like it's just like, wait, this is this is how people talk with that. That's the whole point. So basically you have to get through those first few episodes because the people that are bad at playing the game sort of get weeded out, and therefore it becomes all people that are good at it or authentically being themselves and are getting played by it. And that's what it gets. And we love that. I love that show. And talk to me about Cheer because I tried and um, Oh I loved it. Was it the Trump stuff? Was it like the Texas of it all? A little bit of that? And also, um, I don't like seeing the girls get hurt. Yeah, well ends up not even being gender specific by the end. It's like everybody gets hurt. Um. Anyway, Cheer is this documentary series on Netflix that I'm sure a lot of you have seen by these uh, I think one or two great sports documentarians, um, who have gone on record to say that they that then mar Share team is comprised of the hardest working athletes, the most intense athletes they've ever seen. Um, and a real cultural moment. I mean, yeah, it's something about like the way that these narratives sort of we're told and spun out and just it all it all builds up towards Tona, towards Daytona, UM Tona, and the stakes are also intricately and elegantly laid. Monaco A Dama is this wonderful mogul of a woman who has led this team to victory so many times and really nurtures them but also keeps them in arms length, and it's just so interesting. Her leadership style is so interesting and uh, and also What Josh Sharp has pointed out to me, which I love, is that and what some of our readers probably have picked up on it is that it's sort of kind of Trojan horses black queerness in this very cool way that it's just like it's it's it's it's so it's a junior college where everyone goes there just for the sports, the athletics of the ball. But yeah, I mean these like black cheerleaders, these guys who like go to the school because like Monica has seen them or something, or they get yeah, they get scouted, or they just go and they try out for it. Jerry Harris Ladarius I forget his last name, but Um sort of like the two like stars. We can't forget to te Um, but they are all. I mean, it all sort of like is a way to sort of like show America because I mean, sheer. It's like Republicans want to see it because it's like Texas and there's a lot of Texas dning in it, and then Liberals want to see it because it's like, oh, it's like dance music. I mean's like there's something for everybody. There's an entry point for everybody, which is kind of I think why it became such a moment. It's great, It's so good. I mean, the last episode is the nail biter of all nail biters. So good, I'll check it out. Um. It picks up after I would say the third episode, I think that I was watching The Circle and the and so I didn't I tried to watch Cheer, but I feel like it was going to demand a lot of time for me, and because I also was watching at the same time, Google Labs. Okay, now talk to me. But I've only seen the Shroom's episode whom episode is the first episode, and then the second and third episodes I feel like are like the ones. So the second episode deals with cold water plunge therapy. Have you heard of this? I've heard of this. Fascinating. So there's this guy who suffered a personal tragedy and then he started this movement of like cold water. I don't know he picked it up somewhere, but now it's like he's like a guru of plunging yourself in cold water, like drive your maladies away. Fascinating. And then and Gwyneth like has her like very thin employees go with yes. Um. Then the third episode is about um female orgasm and with a specific doctor, with this ninety year old woman who looks who is like passionate about all women achieved thing orgasms and like not being afraid of themselves down there. And there's a sequence where you see ten different volvas and they talk about how many women believe that they're deformed because pornography has made it's so impossible to like see yourself and you know, so it's I thought it was really this is where Goop Labs to me got really useful. I was like, well, I'm happy that women are seeing this because I think it will alert some women to the fact that like they're not deformed because they don't like a porn star. Um. So that's when the show, I think is powerful. When it's not powerful is when the show becomes about dieting and it's trying to normalize Gwyneth Paltrow's diet of like deprivation, and it's not healthy the way that those women try to keep your bodies and ship. I mean, that's all. It's not a lot of awareness about the whole ethos of Goop is like pseudoscience bullshit, that right, right, And they do say, like in the beginning of every episode where there's like a medical moment, they're like, please see a doctor. This would not be endorsed by any medical profession. Yeah, and they are accountable in that way, like you're still showing that it's aspirational and yeah, such a fifty fifty show for me where it's like it definitely is. I enjoyed it, and I think I think Gwyneth like comes off like kind of interesting and even more compelling, like it's a star, Gweneth the star, but it's triggering. It's a triggering show, and I would I would imagine that it's very hard for a lot of people to watch and like funk, I'd say it to Gwyneth's damn face. But she knows, she knows. So that's the Arnold Netflix moment. Now here's the thing. Speaking of gay icons, we met one. We met one on separate occasions, separate occasions. Um we talked about each other to them, Um did it? We're talking about RuPaul? Talking about RuPaul. Matt, you were on What's the Tea? I was almost the tea and truly one of the craziest days of my life. And I gotta say surreal for an outside person to listen to. I spent about three hours through pall and can you can you? Can you talk? Asked me in this well we had we had a we had like me had a meeting and then um, which was insane. And then during the meeting, he was like, you gotta come be on my podcast because we're hitting it off. So I went into the podcast, which you can listen to my episode What's the Team. Surreal just to be sitting there with Rue and have talking to him interested in my life at all, and I was talking to him and I was like, wow, like this is truly insane, Like to get to the point where like, truly one of my ails. You heroes think like you know, like probably him and like Kelly and like Mariah are like the people that I would and we might have to talk to rule about math and you guys like went like on an album by album breakdown, just like I got children bagging out with Rue about Mariah carry Like I mean, you guys really ran the gamut there in terms of like the biography of Matt Rodgers, because he talked about Katrina for a long It was so crazy. I felt like we really got a chance to like you get to know each other, and he's I mean, you're both good at this, but you're both gonna facilitating those meaningful, those meaningful nuggets out of each other. And then I I didn't know at the time that he was going to go do SNL, but when I found that out, I was like, oh my god, like, you're gonna have that moment. You guts to do that incredible sketch with him. Yeah, you want me to talk about my mien? Tell me. I mean, I guess really haven't gotten talking about it. Rue notes Sudie tells me that he's hosting and over Christmas. I was like, oh my god, my god, yeah and whatever, And so all this anticipation builds up and then Monday pitch, you know, we all wait outside Lawren's office and we go in and then you know, the door opens and people file in and then normally it's like very quiet and everyone's just very respectable and polite and sits down and whatever, and the host just sits there quietly and like nods of people coming in and it's great. Um, the door opens and people start filing in and Rude just goes, hey kitty girl, oh hey, squirrel friend, like just like starts to like enthusiastically greet people like I love just like people. You have to understand the energy then person energy is real. It's real. And then me and Alison Gates like stop in our tracks. We hear like rue Ru's voice coming out of the room and we're just like and I turned to her and I was like, I can't go in there. I was like, this is crazy to sing for people that actually get the Ruth yes, So I walked and so then we finally walk in and then Ruth sees me and goes say, dunaway, and then the whole room is like, oh my god. That was the first of many communal like room reactions of like oh because then he sees because then he starts, because then there's a some moment where everyone sits down and like the room like settles and he's just like, oh my god, you I know you and I know you, and then he points to eight way in the back. He goes and you, and then eight goes and then everyone in the room screams and like laughs and giggles. It's it was this infectious like carbonated energy and it was the funnest pitch ever. We all walk out and you know, calm and like, well that was the funnest pitch I've ever been a part of. It was joyful, joyful. Um. And then the next day he comes in. You know, we're we're, we're, we're we're pitching him stuff more stuff. And first he met with uh, Tom Campbell, his friend, the guy who came up with drag Grace was kind of there, I've met Tom. Yes, he's wonderful. Um was was was his pal who after the Emmys. Yeah, um, And we sat down so ruined. Tom sit down with me and Ego and Ago and Rue hit it off just gangbusters, so fun. And then Rue is like, well I can do this chard Australian accents. And then he turns to me. He goes, Brizzie, you were born in Brazzie Brisbane, Like he knew shit about so I'm guessing he probably he read the he read the article, and then I and then I and then I brought you up. I was like, you're what's the t episode with my best friend in the world. Matt Rodgers just came out. He He's like he, me and Sudie are like a trio and like blah blah, blah. He was like, yes, I loved him. It was just so so like it was just like just softened as soon as I mentioned you, and he was like, yes, just very fondly like thought of you. But but seeing RW and Ego like hit it off, I was like, this is gonna be a good week for them. And it absolutely. I got two sketches on did Throsty Cops with him. It was beautiful, beautiful, And then and then me and James were working on had this coal miner's idea. We were like we wanted to do some Dynasty like parody for the longest time. We ruse perfect for it. And then like I texted James on Monday, I was like, maybe like maybe we're coal miners, like something super like blue collar and gritty, and he was like I love that. And so then James and I meet with RU and a different meeting that night. It was just four fucking gay men squawk met James, Tom Brew squawking, quoting fucking you know, Liz Taylor and Kim Novak like throwing shade at each other, Dyan, Carol Must It was so so so fun and I was just like this. I was like and and so That's when I started like I was putting pleasure myself the whole time, and I was I was like this, this never happens, even even though I'm like on my second year here. It's like I know that this is not a not a lot of crest. I was like, this is so like infectious, and this is the week to like go like yeah, like fire on all cylinders. And so I stayed there on Tuesday night to like six am, longer than I've ever stayed ever, just writing writing, writing, UM. Went home Wednesday was a great table read. And then like throughout the course of the week, like things just kind of fell through. And then the call Miner sketch got cut for time UM, and that really just bumped me out. And it was a lesson. It was a lesson where I was like I I both allowed myself to be bummed up because it was like this, there's not gonna be another host. I grew until Rue comes back um. And then so I allowed myself to be disappointed. But then I also was like, you know, like this is this is a lesson, this is I'm not going to internalize this in any bitter way. I'm just gonna like no this feeling and just sort of like let it sort of enrich my whole, like and ultimately you are slaying well, it's just I was just like, I just I mean, we can say you're doing really well. I just put a lot of pressure on myself because it was rude. Yeah that's all it hoarse, but you can't. I mean, it had nothing to do with I know, it's just bad luck. It's just bad luck. And then we still that job. It's still sucking hard totally. And then the week before with miss watt Miss j J. Watt Um wrote a sketch that fucking slated table and then bombed a dress and of course he got caught and I was not surprised, but that was But then I told myself after that I was not too upset. I was like, you know what that was, like the full Like that was the biggest gap I could have experienced where something killed, killed, killed at table, bombed, no laughs, silent address. I was like, it's not going to get any worse than that, Like that chasm is not going to get any bigger, like the difference, and like now I know what that feels like, and I can just like move move about my life. But then the next week with through, it was just like I just put so much pressure on myself and then I was my body was falling apart, right, But I was like, I gotta like from this. And then you guys were off the next week, and we're off the next week and then and then and then I'm here. But anyway, that was a long that was a lot of room. No, but I mean the fact that Rue came into both of our alives around the same time, that was so wild and truly it was so easy to talk to. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I mean. And also the first time we sat down and it was like a meeting, so I said how are you and he goes, I don't see how that's any of your business. And I laughed and I was like, you're right, it's not, and I'm bad for asking. And then he laughed and he was like I do that to everyone, and I was like yeah, and I basically like, I don't know, it's like you would imagine that people a lot of people probably are like weird around him, Like sure, I'm so sorry, I asked, yeah, yeah, yeah, weeks and he's just like a goof he doesn't take left too seriously, which we love, etcetera. We love. We know that's um um we I want to talk. Well, we talked a little bit about Rue Rue, so now we should talk about I have news. I have theme park news the own and I went to Disneyland the other day. It's trying to get a Rise of the Resistance. We did not get on. But one has not done Rise of the Resistance at Disney's all right, I have done it and have my review. Come on, gag. I'm gonna have to ride that one. Gonna have to get on that one. I'm gonna have to enjoy that One'm gonna have to say there's ray on that One's gonna have to get very scared of Kylo Ren on that one. I'm gonna have to do a little drop on that one. I'm gonna have to get my life on that one. I'm gonna have to get very early, get there very early in the morning on that one. So I was at Walt disney World after we were in Porto Viar and I went with my boyfriend Jared, and he could not wake up early enough. Then you went got yourself. So I went by myself. But at the same system where you book a boarding yes, And I was literally I was there at literally six thirty in the morning and I got yeah, park opens it well, that park up in a day at like seven. So I ended up getting there getting a boarding group because it's like getting to the park signing to get up and then maybe you get on the right. It's insane. I got on it. Wow. The whole thing is like twenty one minutes long. I love that there's like three different pre shows. All the characters are there, Like Galaxy's Edge, I've been saying, kind of sucks because like where are the characters, where's the fun Millennium Falcon Right, it sucks. Rise in the Resistance makes the whole God, I mean, like it's so good. Really try to go. And Bowen and I were there the other day at eight am when the park opened to Disneyland, and we still did not get We got we got there at seven five the park of day. We still didn't get truly crazy, but but we went to Galaxy Sager and I gotta say, you're you're saying we are the characters. We literally saw Ray and Chewy, but that was like, not that's not the norm. That's not the norm. But anyway, I saw Stormtroopers, I was like, oh, I'm there. This right is the next level. I got. I can't wait. This right is the next level. And you gasped many times, and I feel bad that we went and then's gone. But we'll get John. I I'm not I'm not quite Rodger's level in my life. Anyway, devotion to the part, I had to give my update on that one. Um, and I just want to say, UM, to wrap things up, there's a development coming and you may have been seeing, yes, the Quimby of it all. What now Quimby Quimby Quick Bites. Quick Bites is an app y'all that's going to be like a stream that Flix for apps. But it is all eight episodes roughly, and I have a show coming out on it that Bone is on called game It's called Game Show. And I'm gonna be talking about this on the podcast because I want any readers to download Quimby. I support this. You've got to download Quibby because I think Game Show could pop off you if you guys absolutely support. It's very good, very fun, and we'll talk more about it. But the Quimby of it all is something that's happening in the culture and I had to mention and we saw it on Oscar's Night when every other ad was Quimby and the super Bowl and the sea and there's going to be more coming. But listen and there's more. There's there are there is more Quimby news um to be announced in both of our lives, honey, honey, just do wait. Um but anyway, that was our culture catch up and we are going to do I don't think so, honey, absolutely, because it is an episode of Lost Cultures Us after all, Um, let's go. Let's go. Just so you guys know if you guys are just joining us here on our new family, our new home and radio. Um, we are Lost Culture Raised Us and we do a segment, one segment called I don't think we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture. We also do live shows, um but and I are going to announce some live shows soon, probably a New York and Los Angeles, no promises, but we are really looking forward to getting back on the road and doing more. I don't think so, honey, because they are our favorite thing. There are our favorite thing, and just too, I might as well sort of make a little statement on this. UM. A lot of the touring cities that we went to last year, the recordings UM ended up sort of at one changer or another being compromised or unusable, and it ended up ultimately being a network issue where they didn't publish them even though they had the audio. True. I mean, that's just what it is. Yeah. Um so if you're looking for those episodes to come out, unfortunately I don't think they were going to come out, and it truly breaks my heart and I but it was lose. I do lose. I actually sleep over because there's shows where all every one of those shows was killed and we just want to let everyone know like it wasn't because any like city wasn't like a good show. They were all such good shows and we were so excited to have every single one of them on the podcast. Then um, it just didn't happen. But you know, we're sorry about that. If you were a performer on one of our shows that didn't get published, but we probably were excited about it. But you get back, you killed. So let me just quickly quickly, quickly, quickly shout out all of the city very quickly. Uh So, Portland Seattle, San Francisco, Vancouver, Boston, Philly, d C, Dallas, Houston. I'm sorry DC and Houston we ended up canceling. Dallas were so sorry. Um, we will be back and all the shows were so much fun and we had a true blast and so we'll be back very soon. We'll be back. Okay, But this is I don't think so, honey, Matt, I have one. Do you have one? Um? I do have one? Okay, why don't you start this one? Okay? Cool, Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that everyone I've ever hooked up with in my life gets uh literally the hottest um face and body two and a half years later. But this is a phenomenon that is happening to just me. Unfortunately, I have an affliction where I am sort of like Dane Cook and good Luck Chuck, but instead of getting married, you get an incredible face and body that you do not have prior. Um. This does not go to This is not saying that you were not attractive at the time. It's just that after you hook up with me, approximately twenty four months later, you will be the hottest person of all time, a model like Linda Evangelie stuff. I don't think so, honey, that this is happening. I don't like that I am magic, but I am. I'm sort of like Harry Budini and will kill me one day. Of course Harry Hoosini famously and incorrectly died and um magic accident. Yes, UM, I support people becoming hot uh in their life, but it frustrates me. I think we should time this out better. If you're gonna hook up with me, you should be hot now. UM. I promised to stay the same um seven that I am now and that's one minute. So you better not hook up with mount unless you're at your fucking peak. Well, I feel like here's the thing. It's just frustrating because some something like I'll see someone I hooked up with, like in Outside of the year two thousand and eleven, and I see them now and I'm like, oh you are, Um, you've made a deal with the devil. Okay, I want to know, can you can you well believe we can bleep this out? Um, I'll tell you off, my okay, tell me off. But literally I just scrolled through my phone and it's like maybe this is just the disease of Instagram and every ones like like like just posting only good to them. But it's shocking what happens when, um, you hook up with me, because years later in your life, um, you will be Samahi beautiful. That's and that's the that's the end, that's the end point. Anyway, that's my I don't think so. I love that. I'm sorry, but you know what, You're in a beautiful relationship now, Yes, And I love my man and I am and I love with him. That's good. I remain so so safe. I just said I'm in love with him, and you go, that's good, that's great. I'm really happy for you. Um felt me. Well, I basically, oh, well, actually I should have done my I don't think so, honey to Ryah, who still pop? You on the goddamn wait list? And let's well we have our theories about why. Yeah, well, I'm very upset they wait listed me. They are still wait listing me. And miss Phoebe Robinson is she's still wait It was well she was wait listed for a while. Well now she's got a great now she's in a great relationship. But um, you know is something's going on. Something might be going on there, Riya, I don't know, um, But anyway, this is bone I don't think so. And the thing about bone NS, I don't think so, honey, is his time starts now? I don't think so, honey. The casual way we are talking about coronavirus, I mean it's both being sensationalized to completely completely be driven by it's it's it's capitalizing on fear, and it's also in this weird way like twisting it, where it's like, okay, but the casualties that are happening all across Asia don't really matter, and it's completely trivial. Literally, my cousin is in Wuhan right now. He's a journalist. He went with a bunch of doctors from Leon. He is at risk and it's really shaking up my family. And it's like, oh yeah, so you guys should all just remember that there are real fucking human beings who are going into these insane, insane, insane environments and settings and in their lives on the line to like try to fix this. It's gonna get a little worse before it gets better. But I promise and I hope and I pray that it will all end soon. But you guys have to stop casually like making fucking jokes about like wearing dumb face masks and ship and like it's so sad to me and truly this is weird. But like it's tough to like bring this up in certain settings where I would you would think that, like the humanity wouldn't be lost on certain people, but it's it so is, and like close friends of mine just are are We're just are so quick to like again trivialize it. And I'm like, you guys, well, it's racism, and it's it's I don't I believe that for a lot of people, it's not conscious racism, but that's racism. It's ingrained. And so basically because this is happening in a world where like we said before, it's the reason why you know, this is very trivial to mention in the same breath as this, But it's like why we're not recognizing like people from the parasite cast who should be it's because there is a facelessness. And when it's part of Western culture, is you completely wash out and humanize a part of the world. There's something that goes on in like the sort of colonized brain, let's say, where you just don't register an Asian face, like dying or being a good actor. Right, it's it's it's it's why it's honestly, it's why the attacks, the atom bombs, that's why it's like, let's talk about it. And yes, and here's the fundation. I'm gonna get fucking real for just a quick little second. The people who fucking say that all I do is play Asian characters on SNL. It probably has to do with the fact that I'm Asian, But the fact that you guys think that all I do is play Asian characters as a joke means that you think that being Asian is an unusual character trait. So it collapses down to you seeing me on screen and going, well, that person is weird because they're Asian, I guess, and that's all that this person can do. Fuck off. It is a bad faith thought for you to think. It's just a bad faith argument for you to think, well, bone doesn't have the range, But that's because you're selectively choosing to look at the parts where it has happened to have, like, like the characters that I play have happened to do with my race? Does that make sense? Yes, of course it does. I think that that there's a lot of examination that could happen right now on this moment, like and I really think that, like like it's it's sometimes like it feels like there's an opportunity right now for people to step back and not feel like attacked or offended because like these things are being called out, but it's like these things need to be examined and my words, because it's it's it's it's very real what Bone is saying, and my words examine them. So I'm in that, as I've said to miss Matt Rodgers, but I wanted to this is, this is, this is. But also I want to make clear I mean basically passed it. I'm a little deader inside than I was before, and so it's not really getting to me anymore. I'm truly that well, you left Twitter, I left. These people are in my but my sort of the thing that I keep reminding myself going forward is I'm like, oh, well, people out there have septic tanks for brains, and it's not my business to like try to like mold that poop water into like actual Gray Manner. Look anyway, the world, the world, she cray and gonna have to keep my distance, Gonna have to keep my diston's on that one. I'm gonna have to call out that to call out. But the good news is is back to give you a healthy mix of what is football and fuck you for being racistic that those are truly the two poles of this show. Um Uh, We're so happy to be back. We're so having back, so excited to be back. We're so we were on fire. We're on fire. We love, love love our new friends at I Heeart, our new family. Um and we have a very good feeling about this. Oh, we've got such good episodes coming up. Let's just say that the episodes upcoming. Baby, we got Nicole Buyer, we got Gayly Admit, we got a Bryant and back to you next month. And maybe, just maybe, Bone and I will stick a couple of these solo episodes in there. I think that there would be It would feel good to hear us get a little bit topical every now and I like that, and I just like the kids that you know, just the tone of these is a little more looser, yes, and we love the culture catch up and we love enjoy doing them. Sometimes during speaking and exchanging cultural ideas with my friend, you can you can stumble upon truth. You didn't know that you felt. I love that beautifully. I'm gonna have to reward that one. Gonna have to know, we kind of have to confirm the wording on that one. I loved lock it in on that one. Here's the thing. We end up with the song. We end every episode with a song. RS B City? Why do I want to be a supy R S B City? Dozy? Oh, we didn't even talk about the Jennifer Hudson Andreath the trailer. It's good, we'll talk about it. Bye bye,