Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, culture Resta's calling. This one takes me all the way back. This one. We're about to unlock some memories. A Loha mora, I say the girls might as well be saying aloha mora, because when it comes to unlocking memories, we're casting the spells. Let's talk about Harry Potter. Let's have the referendum right here, right now on Harry Potter, yes or no, right now in the next three minutes, we're going to decide the fate of Harry Potter and the culture going forward, and it has to happen here on Lost Cultures. It is a classic example of person who was able to like fictionalize morality in such a way that um, they lost touch with their own moral that's internally after getting massive wealth. Where is the movie about that? Do we even want to see it? I think the biopic of J. K Rowling already exists, and it is Tracy almand as Renee's larger play J. K Rowling. It is the iconic sketch of all time. It really is so good and also it's like so Tracy Elman plays Rene's Lager, and she's doing an insane Rene's Lager, and then she does Renee's Elwager as J. K Rowling. It's a really good impression of what you think Rene's lager would be as J. K Rowling's levels to this ship. Anyway, that's my little cursory assessment of the culture for Harry Potter at this time, and I'm happy you were the final voice on it because now there's no more discussion to be had. Actually, there is a little one last thing before we move on. There's this game called, Oh, is it like Hogwarts. It's called History. No, it's called Hogwarts Legacy. Oh, it's like Roney Legacy. It's not Roney Legacy. It's it's Hogwarts Legacy. It's a prequel that place decades before Harry Potter steps onto the world stage The Boy Who Lived. But it's Hogwarts like in the fifties, sixties, seventies, I want to say, somewhere in that time. But it's open world, which means you can like literally go in any direction and there's you can engage with the world. This game hasn't been in development for years, and they keep rolling out these videos and I gotta say, I'm like annoyed. I'm annoyed at the way these developers are sounding so smug and proud of this game that like is truly probably gonna be bad. I'm gonna I'm gonna say on this podcast, I'm gonna play this game, but I'm not gonna like it. But it's only because I have a deep sentimental connection to the Harry Potter video games on PC. I'm start I'm getting so grand are but you're also very You're you're really active on video games right now because you were deep in your Pokemon and you are some mother for that. You are so mother for that and named my character mother of course. Um I just come up with the Housewives taifine for Harry Potter. Do you want to hear it? Yeah? I might be the boy who lived, but now I'm the man who's living. Oh my god, here's one for Ron Weasley. Will be your side kick, but I will not be your side piece. Whose side piece was? But he's just I don't know, but this is like in a world where he's someone's side piece. What's good for Hermione? I got brains and beauty and that's more than I can say for you. Yeah, that's good, sort of, that's really good. No, that's really good. I'm trying to think. Um, Draco Mouthoy called me a mud blood, but he's the one wh will be spilling blood. Wow, that's so mean. Bow, you're gonna kill him. What's a good one for Baltimore? And then we'll bring in the guests? Mmmmmmmmm. I don't think it deserves you know what, Baltimore doesn't even deserve a Housewives tap fine, and that's actually culture number ten. Baltimore doesn't even deserve. Did you see that? It happens? Rape fines did as more at Lisa Barlow. She talked half of New York. It was excellent. It was excellent. Our guest is clutching her double palming her mound. She has not moved from the stands, and it's so her like essential gesture, it's so her essence. Readers, we've known this person for over ten years now, wild, isn't it wild to think of it that way? Yes? And I've since the first day I ever met her. I thought, well, that's obviously one of the most talented people I've star so cut to now I can't believe this. The Oscar buzz. She just covered her face, but come on, bitch, you know what the fun is happening. I so I didn't realize this, but I go on the site, you know, the sites, the sites, and we're seeing her name constantly predicted. I was like, stuh, Like it's obviously deserving, but it's just crazy to see your friend listed there. And I've experienced this with you well, and and look where that got us nowhere what to several nominations? Shut up? Can I say something right now? Shut up? You're right, You're so right. Everything everywhere you've seen it by now, surely you've seen it. And I'm saying I'm saying to the reader, I saw it three times? You did? I saw it grading that Daniels happened to be in town. We got a lovely breakfast. It wasn't even one of those Hollywood things where I was like, I would love to be in your next project. It was literally me being like I need to process this with you, like this wasn't This was one of my favorite movies of all time. I still believe this to be true. What a great year for movies. I am gonna say, really a good strong year. And I will say this, out of everything I've seen so far this year, and I have seen everything, but out of everything I've seen so far this year, like just involuntarily and suddenly moved too intense state of weeping. And I'm talking about the scene where Kiwa Kwan is like, you have to be kind when when he said you have to be kind bowen, I swear to God, Like either way, I was sobbing in a mess. You have not experienced impact, emotional impact in your life anything like being a queer Asian person watching this movie and seeing the scene in the parking lot just or just the whole thing just is so it's just so perfect and oh my god, we've already gotten to tell our friend our guests how proud we are, how in all we are. I mean I was like always, not just always, but there was something so powerful special about watching her walk down this hallway in all these different outfit changes while the lights flicker, and I'm like, holy shit, I know that person. Well it's not even that, it's like whoever this person is, she is like the fucking villain of this and she's a fucking megastar, mega star to say nothing of like the fact that like this is this is someone who we love. Yes, it's also the most Steph Shoe movie of all time and I have to say so many things to her about it. And we got a fact is we're going to get the opportunities too. Right now, Please welcome finally to Lost Culture. Is this podcast the one the only study ship? Take your hands off your mouth? Oh my god, you guys. I really yeah, I've been clutching my face because I'm smiling so big and just giggling. And honestly, when I listened to this podcast when I'm on like long drives or whatever, like those motherfuckers my friends just giggling and I don't know how y'all are so witty. I just don't even know. I love. My year was running into you with the damn Clark Street Diner where everything was amazing. People name drop you guys to me, not knowing that we know each other, and it makes me feel hot inside, like it's sexy. You know, I'm like, oh, you mean Matt, Matt Roger's Long Island's very own. Also, I not to call you out, but your Long Island really came out and j K Rowling, I don't know what it is, but there was something about how you were saying, Rowling, Rowling, you have the ear for absence. This has always been true in the air for everything, and that's can I say. When I watched this movie Everything Everywhere all at once and there was the whole thing about the bagel, putting everything on a bagel, I'm like, if that isn't stuff shoe, I don't know what it is like when you read this script where you're not like, holy fuck, like it must have been like insane Terita and be like, because you so spiritually are this movie, yeah, well, you know it's funny. I've had a lot of people like ex partners, specifically will you come out of the woodwork, And they've been like, this movie is so your essence, and it does make me feel quite seen. When I first met the Daniels on Norah's show at Bowen's Show Aguafine is More from Queen's, I felt like I met soulmates um, and I think so when I read the script for Everything Everywhere, it just it did really click. And recently the Daniels Um we were at this like film festival and they showed my audition clip. It's really smash it really, They asked me beforehand, and I said, I'm not going to watch it because I want to be surprised. It just don't make me look bad, you know. But what was so crazy was when I watched it was the big goal introduction monologue, and I the first thing I said after I saw it in a public space, I was like, I really got this movie. I don't know why I really understood it. It's probably not coincidental. No, it feels very This movie has a lot of um Key's wife, Echo is our was our translator. She's amazing and she after our first table read, she said, you know, this script has a very strong soul and it has gathered all the souls and like minded souls to tell it okay, um okay, Hello. It's also reached a lot of souls. I can't think of a movie like this um in recent memory, and I don't. I guess I don't. I'm not the biggest and if I don't have the context for it. But like, I feel like there hasn't been a movie like this where like people really there's there's a pretty universal everyone's on the same page about this. I mean, even people who hate it. I feel like understand what it's trying to do and can appreciate it. I had. There was a man who came up to me in Nappa. I was, okay, you know this is for the fans, um, this is the tone of the podcast. Um. But it was at Nappa Film Festival, and this man came up to me after the screening and he's like, you know, I love you and marvelous Mrs Masiel. But I gotta say, as a as a older white man, you know that was hard for me. That was I really I just couldn't wait to get out. And then he said, but you know, my wife's Filipino, so there's that. And I was like, well, thank you for being honest, and it's okay, Like not everything is supposed to be for everybody, um, and yet we're the one And then yet were supposedly like we're the kinds of people who are like obsessed with identity politics. But meanwhile this guy is leading with my wife's Philip. Yeah. Also, like if I hear like a criticism of the movie from people, it's that it's a lot, right, But then also that's like intrinsically what the point is it is about? Like finding something very simple in the volume, you know what I mean, Like, that's what I loved about it so much. And we had Michelle on the podcast, which was such an honor, I mean, and like we'll get into what it was like to you know, work with her. But I think that that's something that, especially the second time I watched it, not on the edible, I was able to really find what's like, Wow, really, what this is is a very simple story about family and love. And I think that the sort of like I guess if there's a metaphor is that it can feel like there's a lot more, but really what's actually important is very simple, and it's about love and connection and this is a story about family and specifically in any way is finding each other again through so much change, which can feel very loud. I don't know if that's like me being simplistic about it, Yes, totally, And I mean this has been a really freaking crazy year, but I feel I couldn't like shake hands with Hollywood in any more honest of a way because this is so much you know, this is I do want movies like this to exist and I and I feel it's been really healing actually to see that it works, or that people still have room to be surprised or show up to a movie theater, leave their house gathered together, or you know, have a cultural moment together in a time when you know we're so inundated. So you know how I've always been up been like you know, the business wants me, but I don't know if I want it. But that's very real though. I Mean that's my thing with step is like it really has always felt like you don't give a funk about this, like in a real way, like really refreshing. Thanks. I think you were very much a role model, even though we're like all on the same cohort. Like Steph was someone who reader probably like keyed into something like was getting a lot of great opportunities and really meeting the occasion, rising to the occasion always obviously um, but it was so refreshing to like from afar or check in with you, and you'd always be like, yeah, I don't know, like this isn't all it's cracked up to be. But that wasn't like withered or like cynical. It was just like I know my boundaries so well. I'm such a defined person within myself and like that is a that is a special thing. But it's so cool to so you keep that and like that's so, that's so beautiful that you say that you couldn't have asked to shake hands with Hollywood in a more honest way, because not everybody gets that. People shake hands with HOLLYO for the first time in ways that are very cloaked in a lot of bullshit. Yeah, totally. Also for the listeners, nobody knows that. Well maybe they do, I don't know. Well, we all went to college together. Yeah, well we made a big trust me when we saw the movie. We made a huge deal about the fact that you were so well, no I heard you roasted me. I's because Mama did not respond to a text for like four hours. But that's going to be my cultural moment that oh, we'll put a pin in it. Well put but I just want to say, like I'm kind of cloaked in darkness right now, so you can't see the tears that's eyes. But Steph, I'm literally just I'm And this is what I mean by like, you've always like known what to do for you and you've always like really followed like what your spirit was telling you to do. Because do you remember, do you remember when we had lunch in Hayden Hall, And so I was the director of hammer Cats and you were in the sketch group of Hammercats with me, and you wanted to get lunch with me, and you were telling me that you were gonna step away from the group because you wanted to do a different type of thing. And I was, of course disappointed that you would leave the group because you were always so much fun to be around and you always like killed everything and you were my friend. But then we actually got into a discussion about like, you know, what it is we wanted in life. And I remember like like it was like involuntary, but I like really I like broke down at that lunch and you said something to me that I always remember, and you said, you know it hurts so much because you know you can do it. And I was like, I I you said that, and I always I always remembered that, and so like yeah, and so just like you know, having like you, someone so talented that I believed in so much to like sort of tell me that you believed in me was like very very important to me, and so like it's not a surprise to me, and I actually feel very like emotional right now, like as we're all doing like quote unquote, well, but are also very happy and fulfilled in the things that we're doing. That that's true because you know, it's not true for everybody, and so I am just so proud of you. When I'm so excited for you, I can't believed. I know, I'm just like, I don't know. There's just a lot going on. I mean, both of you. I mean, that's the thing. Did you just say there's a lot going well? I just really there's a lot going on. Like I've also i mean we haven't gotten into it yet, but I've also been thinking about Lise a lot. Oh, let's wade us. Oh my god, I was reflecting on this too. I mean, you know, before we even get into all that stuff, I just have to say, y'all, both of you are I don't know, I'm getting emotional. You two have always been the hardest working people. I know, seriously, Like I just remember, you know, we were romping around skid More. We're not we were all such a messy, messy horse that was there that bored this way by Lady Gaga came, you know, but letting everyone know that because he came out of the fst of all that was the year before you did come out of the ski more was. But but you too. Seriously, I mean to see both of you rise, but also rise together and a part has been so inspiring. And I feel like you two actually because I think, honestly, some some of my distance from the industry, I think growing up was because I just never saw a place for myself in it. And so I think that right now, I'm I'm going through this moment where I feel like I actually have dreams for the first time for myself, and you know, I'm like, oh man, this is really possible. And in so many ways, I actually think I didn't necessarily really I believed in myself as a human and as a soul on this planet, but I didn't necessarily believe in myself as an artist in the world. Um. And I feel like you two, from the very beginning have always seen what I couldn't even see in myself. And I also saw in both of you how hard you worked because you loved the thing that you do and you just defied all odds time and time again, and it's just crazy, like it's just so crazy and also not crazy to see both of you where you are and you make it seem so easy. But nobody knows the Matt Rogers in college who was cranking out new pages every single week for Catch group, like nobody's business. You have always been prolific in a way that I just uh is beyond me. So well. I did want to mention one thing, which was bo and I've told you this, but like I feel like I haven't gotten to say this stuff yet. But the original everything everywhere, all at once was a sketch I wrote for Stephanie, which was do you remember Flower? I will never forget Florida everything for me, So that there was a sketch that we did. It was it was me frantically looking at looking for my son. So it was like it was like me, this is of everything, every all at once, and I think we did it with Jack Quaid to like I think David Sitarov would did it, and then we did it with Jack later. But um, it was like it was like me friendly looking for my son and describing my son, and my son was like all genders, all heights, all weights, all races, all things, and then like and like I had different traits and stuff, and he was like the person was like, what, like describe your son, like we can't find him if your son is not everything. And then Steph walked in like like literally just like as Large, which was the name of this child. But she had like one long arm and a good titty on her head and like you know, at least things like every prop in the closet, and she was like she just made this like weird Steph noise, and but that was the original everything everywhere, all was everything, everywhere, all was Yeah, really, I'm Matt. Matt wrote for me not only flowered but also moose. So I don't know which bone is in that videos. No, No, that's already you're being gst towards Asians. And who is like in Brooklyn, who's still like hanging out? Well, we had some fun folks. I just got copy with my expense the other week, and it was just we picked up as if we had never picked up right where we left off, and it had been years since I had seen it in person, and it was just a moment of like, wow, this is like this is an important time in our lives and I'm glad that like and I did express him. I was like, I do have some guilt every now and then of like not keeping up enough, and you don't neither of you need to like affirm this or be like yeah, me too, but like I feel like I've sort of like done a bad job of like done a bad drop up. I just I have not like, man, those relationships are like cultivated them in a way that like I've not watered them in a way that they deserve watering, because those are those are people who really were your support system in that time, helped you along the way, taught you things you didn't you didn't know before. I love those people. I actually I was just literally having that thought while I was driving here and because I was thinking about what my cultural rant was going to be. But I think, you know, it's hard to keep up with people, and we're inundated with information and our thumbs can only do so much, and there's only enough hours in the day. And I try to be gentle with myself because there are so many people that I love so deeply, and I wish sometimes, I guess this is what reunions are for, but I wish sometimes you could just be in a space together and really dive deep because how are you gonna I'm not like a when people ask me how are you on a text message, I'm like, I don't I get stressed. I do. I get stressed because I want to be so it is. I want to be thoughtful in my answer, and I also want to hold space for the other person's answer. So if I don't have like so I know because I probably asked, like what's going on, she's like, how do I where do I go on? How are you doing with because the movie is something that you guys shot in before the pandemic, it comes out and you're basically doing some version of campaigning will call it until for the rest of Awards season, Like this is a lot. Because I was thinking about this, I'm like, I wonder how stuff feels about this in terms of talking about the maybe thinking at the movie. I'm sure it's like incredible as an experience, but also like I don't know how you feel mad, but I feel like the whole cycle of Fire Island coming out is like a distant dream. It's so far away in my past and yet like for depending on the project for something like this, for you step, it's like you are really sitting in this for like a pretty long amount of time. Yeah, it's been honestly a roller coaster. And I remember Jamie Lee Curtis said to me after she saw it for the first time when we were all at south By Southwest. She was she like clutched me by the shoulders, and I was like, just stay centered and um, this is going to be a mind fuck and a wild ride for you. And I was like, Jamie, I'm a grown ass woman, Like, listen first, this is on my first rodeo. Also, I was on my whale. I was on my whale. I was on my way to go reunite with three of my best friends that I hadn't seen because of the pandemic, and we were going to go watch whales give birth and migrate north. And she was like, I'm so happy You're going to be with whales. I'm like, yeah, I me too, And and you're going to be with the whales also feels like the most Jamie Lee Curtis thing. It is. Yeah, um, but I had no idea what she meant. And I honestly, as as centered as I do feel, there's been a lot of whiplash, Like the highs are high, the lows are low. It makes you it's just confusing, um and I feel like it's a hard thing that not a lot of people relate to. Also, of just um having a pop off moment, I will say that I was surprised when it there was a recent moment. I was filming in Australia and it's a crazy time difference, and it was the first time that I've been actually completely alone for the last year, and like, the time difference is so crazy. So when I'm awake, everybody's sleeping, so I couldn't even work during the day because everybody's paused. And and I think I was having a whiplash of I've been going and going and going, and it finally just stopped and I hit like a I got really sad. I got really sad actually, and um, I had to Hey, I'm glad that I hit that moment because I've had to zoom. I've been able to zoom out and understand the longevity of this film is so much more. I'm speaking really abstractly. No, we're with you, We're with you. Yeah, I just you know this ship some I had a driver call it Holly weird and Holly weird. It's holly weird, and you know, I it affects you, and I have been affective. Not everything, not any element of it is what you think of it's and then all of a sudden, like you see the business element of it and like the promotional element of it, and it can be fun, but it's also exhausting, and you also can buy into it. And then when it's gone, it's like, whoa wait, Well that was like that's a thing where I you know, I've never cared about any of this stuff, and I I obviously am receiving a lot of attention and affirmation right now, and at the same time, I can feel that this will eventually go away, like you're hot, you're hot, and then you're not for a second, right whatever until the next thing. But in some ways I was like, oh my god. On the other side of this also, I just didn't ever want to feel tossed aside. But that's because I it got to me, do you know what I'm saying? Like I wasn't able to just see the big picture and feel centered in myself and understand that it really is just about the work and continuing to do good work that you believe in and putting it out there. There was something in the frenzy that really started to catch up to me that I I was like on the wave and I I, yeah, I don't know how else to describe it. Um. Yeah. Betty Gilbin was on the podcast basently, and she described what I think we're talking about is the metaphor was that part in a Laddin where he's in the Cave of Wonder and they're like, you can't touch anything except the lamp. Don't touch any of the diamonds, the jewels, the coins, any of that. And that's kind of what this time in your life might feel like, where it's like there's all the stuff around you and all you your only job is to like go towards the lamp. But I feel like you you've always known what your lamp is, and you've always kind of had it in the palm of your hand. Sometimes I feel like I my lamp. I don't have no idea what my lamp looks like. I don't know where it is, I don't know how I'm going to get it, but I'm constantly touching coins and pearls and diamonds. I'm like, I feel like I am in this zone now where I'm kind of losing the thread a little bit, and I'm like, I totally related to what you're saying. You know, I read this piece. I've been really into reading um up ed pieces or interviews with actors, and I've never been like this, but I have been just so desperate to understand this moment that I'm going through and and hear from other people what their journey has been like. And I remember reading a piece in the l A Times um on Brad Pitt and he said something along the lines of he got to a point where so many people were telling him what he wanted that he didn't even know what he wanted anymore. And I read that, you know, like earlier this year, maybe in March or something. And I've just really been thinking about that where I have to constantly check in with myself and make sure I'm just checking in and asking myself what I want. And you know, there's a lot of noise, and it's a whole fun Babylonian show, but you take what is right for you and then you you don't have to take anything else. Yeah, And also like I think it can be fun if you just keep telling yourself, like, don't take it too seriously, you know what I'm saying, like and and ultimately what is so great about this is everything everywhere at once for the rest of the year, the rest of the quote unquote season is going to do great. And just the fact that it's in the conversation so much already says and shows how much people have connected to this as a piece of art because it has made people feel a certain way, And ultimately is the thing that's at the kernel, at the center of all of this stuff that is really cool for you to be able to have and can maybe be the lamp, which is that this piece of art that you created is actually not only so steff, but also so universal and so moving, so much so that multiple people that I've talked to have seen it more than once. It has done incredibly well at the box office in a year where a lot has not, especially a lot of like you know, lower budget things or however you want to call it, like smaller scale things. That is a huge triumph in a in a time of the pandemic, you know what I mean. And so there are so many narratives like outside of the self that you can like lean on and let guide you for however long, like this process lasts. And it's just that is a really cool thing because not everyone gets to talk about stuff with with passion. You know. I was talking to like this girl Jessica who does my hair and makeup for some events, and she tells me that she works no, no, she's she literally was looking at my face. She says, I hate this, she's she's the best, and but she works with a lot of these actors. And I was like, god, like, I've been really lucky this year, like everything I've talked about like genuinely love and she goes, oh, yeah, that is not the case a lot of the time, Like it's a lot to out there and sound effusive about things that are a you know, bad, or be things that you didn't have a good experience on or see with people you fucking hate totally, because that happens all the time. I know, I've been just feeling grateful. I'm fully like leaning in now. I'm just I'm leaning in and having fun. I'm soaking it up when people come up to me and they say thank you so much. This movie meant so much to me. I'm really practicing receiving it all the way to the bottom of my heart and say like, oh, this person is also trying to give me something, So don't deflect it or don't be like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Really hold it someone, someone's trying to tell you that art that you made that you are a part of, or something you express change them. So hold that for them, and hold and hold that for yourself. But yeah, I'm like so freaking lucky that I love my cast I'm so close with the Daniels. We have text threats, you know. I'm genuinely excited to see them at these events that are can be nerve racking sometimes and it just feels like I get to spend time with people I love and celebrate this thing that I really believe in, and so be it. When will I ever get it again? Who knows? What is an interaction between Steph Shoe and Jamie Lee Curtis, Like she's so amazing. She's just she walks into every room just completely owns it. I don't even know how. She just has no fear. She seems fearless and everything that she is and that she does, and it's really inspiring. She hates staying out late. So we were just texting because the Governor's Awards are tomorrow, and we were all like, we're so excited to see each other. And she's like, just to let you know I'm gonna be there and I will quickly leave because I just can't do late nights and I have to wake up early tomorrow for work. And she just has, i mean talk about boundaries. She's just just yeah, yeah, and it's awesome. She's like, I can, I can show up. I'm going to do that. That's work too, and I'm happy to see everyone and then I don't need to do the whole party. She knows why she's going. She knows exactly why. Yeah. Yeah, she's so powerful. And you guys love Instagram. Y. Yeah, I think most of us are going. There's still some TBD. Are you going to be there? We're going to be there for Fire Islands. Were Fire Islands actually getting the Ensemble Award? Yeah? That's amazing. That very nice to them. Can you guess what my favorite scene in that movie is? I'm thinking, what's the what's the most Steff see Fire Islands? The most stuff seen on Fire Island? Is it the heads up seed? No? Is it James Scullion Bowen at the end because that's my favorite scene. I love that scene also, but but it's earlier on. Is it everyone dancing in the dock? It's doc related. Oh, it's a scene in silhouette. Yes, yes, you're in silhouette. You're getting invited to the party. You walk from the dock over to your friends to say you got invited to the party. Matt and all their friends got and then you you're like shut up or whatever, and then you walk slowly in silhouette over to the other boys. Again, that's in my top five two. It's a good scene. It's so well directed because Andrew gets the wide and it's a movie about group dynamics. It's a movie about the way people like are pulled in certain directions socially and so like it's just a perfect way of and like everyone's body language is so good. Like it says so much about each character, the way that they're situated and standing in their posture. It's it's a great direction, you know, Like that's Andrew on like him. You should work with Andrew where you got mad? You guys is mad? Oh, that's powerful. It was very hot. Just now was When Bowen said, you know, Andrew just gets the wide I was like, Okay, cinephile, Okay, movie star, Oh my god, okay, Emmy nominee. Stop stop look at glowing No, it's the lighting to stop that at one star quality. Okay. So I want to transition into asking you the question, which is the central question of last culture? Wouldn't you agree about? I would agree, And we've gotten a little preview of this. This is going to be a very powerful answer. I think this is the question, what was the culture that made you say culture was for me? This is um the pop culture, the wider culture, the thing, the person that made you say I'm gonna move into a cultural direction. I I'm gonna cry because Matt's here too. Um. Yeah, I would say it was this woman, Elizabeth Suados Liz suados Um. When we were in college, she directed this thing called the Reality Show, which brought together a bunch of students to write sketches and music for around mental health issues and also your first year of experience in college. Matt and I were both in it UM and I met her very or. I saw it my freshman year at welcome week, and I was like they were doing crazy things they were. They did a condom song and people were just being condoms on stage, and I was like, I want to do that. So I sought her out and she is an amazing person, and I think she taught me what it means to be an artist, which is to say that it is something you don't hold lightly. It's a responsibility and the essence of it, or the care that you must take with your art or give with your art, is to offer more goodness in the world and to bring healing. So every opportunity that you get to speak or that you get to make something, it should have the greater good in mind. And it doesn't mean it has to be precious. In fact, it should be shocking and subversive and wild and really say something. But complacency is just not an option. And yeah, she was my She was my mentor, as to so many of us. And all I've ever wanted was to help people, you know, and help myself move through this world in a way that's a little less confusing. And when art is able to do that, whether it's comedy or music or anything, it's just so healing. It's like you feel you understand what it means to be alive. You know, part of me still can't believe that she has passed away, because she really would enter an exit and re enter. I'm sure your life as well as UM creatively and Bowen actually got to know her a tiny little bit when you were going to do the Shanghai version of the show. I was. I didn't end up doing the show, but I was very lucky enough to just even be considered for it to to talk to Liz at that point, Like I had heard what a wonderful present she was, what an impactful person she was. I mean she I was like all my friends were saying, this woman isn't and she has an amazing sort of just her career was so prolific. So yeah, I didn't really get to interacted her too much, but you guys really got to know her well. She was an Obie Award winner and you know Tony nominated playwright for UM this show called The Runaways, which you know, people that are aware of and involved in theater that listened to the pod might remember. She actually discovered Diane Lane like she's got like a very very long She worked with Meryl Streep years and years ago. She worked with tons of people in the business, you know who shouted her out when she passed Lin Manuel Miranda um Like. She was a hugely influential person in the theatrical especially downtown New York theater community. And when she sort of spent her time at n y U, we were lucky enough to work with her. And I always look back at her like the way that I can distill it the most. She was the person who literally and figuratively taught me how to use my voice, because do you remember Steph Like the vocal exercises she would have us do just like these. She was very influenced by like um tribal music and like the way like tribal vocalization, and she would have us like essentially like have these guttural like shouting vocal like techniques that maybe we're not necessarily always vocally safe, but they were always taking some player somewhere, like Plair would take some player she and she would love that ship, you know what I mean, some player. She would think that was like I have my special coming out. And I kept thinking to myself, like, like what would she say about I hope what she would say is that she would I hope that she would smile like her smile, and she would say, this is so stupid, you know what I mean, Like I just I think that's what she would say. And I always I loved impressing her, like I always loved coming in with my dumbest idea and my dumbest bit and her being like her smiling her iconic smile, with her mane of hair, and just like knowing that you had gotten something right because she really had a presence, you know, like she had the X factor, man. And you know, I remember that summer, Matt, and you really cracked open because I feel like you were you knew me in the sketch community, the sketch exactly, that that really did like something that was kind of the first time that you were performing outside of sketch right in in college. And I just remember that really that you're nervous, and you also really cracked open because you've got this incredible singing voice, but like you know, singing can be so nerve racking because you think you've got to do it a certain kind of way, and Liz completely scraps that, and I just remember this whole soul of an expressive being came out of you. And I think also, I remember, you know, the way that she does it, it gives you permission to take yourself and your work even more seriously, with more responsibility. Just like she encourages the funny, she wants things to be really freaking hilarious, but that they can also be about things. Um and uh. Actually the first time that she this is actually a full circle moment. But the first time we had a rehearsal together, we were sitting on the ground and she looks over at me. She she had braces at the time, and she's like, you remind me of someone I know, what's aim Margaret Chod. Yeah. I think they worked together on some whatever something. Um. But I have a quote from her. I know you guys are going to edit this together, so who knows if this will make it, but I want to can I share it with you out? So? UM. I found this recently in my notes, which I don't use my phone, as you know, but this is in there, and this was set at her memorial and I guess I kept it in my phone because it's so powerful. This is a quote from Liz. We have to try to do the impossible, extract magic from what everyone else thinks is ordinary. We have to find the wizards in ourselves, turn ourselves inside out like pockets, and keep shaking until we find all the dimes and lint and leftover movie ticket stubs in the lining. I mean, we've got to dig. The possibilities keep coming, one after another. Explorers yes, adventures yes, daredevils yes, life savers yes, athletes yes, humans yes, children yes, actors yes, magicians yes. Look at all the possibilities. I think it's time we abandoned this wasted, dried up world of ordinary wishers and dreamed like a bunch of maniacs. If there's anything left in the theater for anyone, it's that we can all still dream of a better world together. Yeah, she was a very special person, and I I I think, I like, I actually didn't you mentioned her memorial And I remember I didn't go to her memorial because I was like too emotional about it. Um. But but when I knew she would love you, because I because I remember like hearing that you were going to go in and meet on it, and I just knew that she would be so attracted to your energy. But yeah, no, it's m she That's how sounds like her, and I just remember, like she she really did have a transform formative quality and she touched so many people. Yeah, it had a difficult life. Yeah, I I just remember that year that Matt started reality show and there was this transformation. There was this huge change and like the way you carried yourself and the way you like valued your own talents. I mean I remember there being this shift and like we all kind of remarked on it, like wow, like this reality show thing is really is really impacting Matt in a really cool way. Like you were you were doing what you what we all knew you were so good at, you know, like because because people Matt's journey in college was freshman year, he was, you know, kid from Long Island, still kind of on learning a lot of stuff from like that environment, right, and it's just so beautiful. Meant that like you were able to be brave enough to go into these spaces that you weren't sure how they were gonna how you were going to do in them, how they were going to accept you or not accept you. You go into comedy, you do sketch, and then you go into reality show and you're just you. You just keyed into every groove of each of those places and like you just sore and like I mean that that that is the thing that like I took away from Liz anytime anyone talked about her and in meeting her was like this thing you guys are talking about her presence, like she is someone who like the like the air is all probably gets suction to her because you have to pay attention to what she's saying, even when she's not saying anything at all. Oh man, she made you feel like things were limitless, you know what I mean, Like she she actually didn't really believe in um limits, Like she didn't really um. So she made you feel like the sky was the limit. And I think that you know you're talking about it was me a lot. But with Steph, I feel like, you know, you were always such a boundless talent, you know what I mean, Like you you so were that you sort of were the bar. You almost I remember, almost feel like you were like an equal to her in that way, like you know what I'm saying, Like and so you were such an inspiring like performance presence and stuff like that. But it was like that for everyone that worked towards her. I mean, like if you ask like SHANEA. She would say that if you ask, like all these people that worked with her, that they would all say that. And I think that there's something to the fact that, like so many of the people that she worked with, um continued to succeed and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, and she was a whacko to like truly, Like there were some moments like where I was like, I don't know what the fun this is? Like do you know she had like an HBO documentary was called My Depression Sigourney. We were narrated it. Sig even narrated it. And the way that she had an audition for it was we all went to her apartment and sat in a circle and all read the lines one after another. And I'm like, I know, this isn't the practical way to do that. There were some things about it that I was like, I don't know, this is like and like, um, but aren't you glad that you did it the unconventional way? Like absolutely, I mean, like she played by her own fucking rules. And I also think talking about like you know, not needing quote unquote this like the the the validation of the industry and stuff like I sometimes think about her as like someone that maybe did want that in a way, I think that she did want to move beyond the the downtown theater world. And I almost feel like I know that she said some things to people before she passed, like like she called I won't say who, but like someone was going to do a musical on Broadway instead of do her show, and she said, you're bourgeois, you know what I mean, Like you're making the wrong choice. And I think it was because she did actually regard commercial success with selling out, and so that was something that also weighed on me a little bit, like I felt a little tacky sometimes for one, I wanting to succeed in a commercial sense, because when you finally do invest in the theatrical community and the community of creating your own work, it can almost feel like, you know, you wrestle with like what's important and what's good and what's bad, and like what's you and what's them? You know, she constantly was provoking questions and probably too. I mean, I think that's been my big grappling that I really. I mean, I called her my mama, right, she came from La Mama Ellen Stewart was her mama. So Liz was my mama and and our mama, and I've been thinking about it like family trauma, where I've been like, oh, Liz had baggage around the commercial sphere, and I have to make sure I don't carry that because actually, if if we are able to be in the commercial sphere and still think limitlessly and challenge ourselves to continue to push the envelope, then there's actually great power in the amount of reach that we can have. And it's just always going be a balancing act. But you know, I just had to check myself and being like, you know, I'm not too cool for this. This is awesome, right, like even everything everywhere being a huge success, and like, God, she would love this movie stuff, she would she would absolutely love it. The quote is very much the spirit of the film, where it's like there's beauty and magic in the mandanity of things like that, there's you don't need to be like all these other possibilities in the universe and the multiverse. There's something gorgeous about just being who you are in the moment, in the reality that you're in. Like, that's that's what she's saying there. When I found it, I sent it to the Daniels, and I was like, you believe that we because we're I was like, how did we find each other? It's kind of the meta version of the movie also, somehow through all the noise that we found each other to tell this story. And that's that's nuts. Um. But yeah, I think, Matt, I really relate to some of the questions you're asking, and I think I love what you're saying about limitlessness. And I think I challenge us both to and all three of us too, and everyone who's listening catching up no to just continue to remember that it is limitless, and it even though the industry has so many bounds, like thirty minute versus one hour, the length of a special like that, just to someone who decided that once and it could be changed at any moment, and we have to give ourselves space to remember that that's possible, or else we'll lose ourselves, like we'll get swallowed up and sad, because they can get sad. It sounds like the thing that Liz Suados was able to do was just like give you meaning. And I've been saying this a lot and everything, but it's like people are people are a little bit down right now because there's a nihilism going around where nothing means anything anymore, and Liz with someone who got you, guys at the right time in your life to explain and to like figure out for yourselves, like why things mean important things. I think I think, I think it's so abstract, but but I think that's what happened with her with everyone she touched. I'm actually looking up what Lin Manuel said about her when she passed, because I remember, like I hadn't thought about it like this, but but he said, Liz Suados was using hip hop on Broadway in ahead of everybody, a colossus singular unequal to. That's what he said about her, And that was in the height of all the Hamilton's stuff, because I think he really realized in that moment that she needed to get her flowers. It's that thing that sucks sometimes when like someone gets their flowers, like post you know, something happening to them or you know. But I really think that her impact was so much larger than she probably felt a new and she might have even said that she didn't care, but I think she did. That's all to say, like everyone knew who she was in New York, you know, what I mean in New York Theater. We love you, Liz, And can you talk a little bit about how you trained as a performer and an actress. Yeah, totally. I started at the Atlantic Theater Company, which is David Mammott's company, and it's actually very cerebral and kind of all about script analysis. So it was a very traditional acting upbringing. And then I went to the Experimental Theater Wing. But I met Liz while I was in the Atlantic, and I don't know, I think I've just always when I was in high school, you know, people were like, oh, you should audition for drama, and so that's kind of how I started doing that. And then someone was like, oh, you know, you should Brendan Naylor, who now works for Darren Aronofsky. He was an upperclassman at this public school and he said, hey, you should really think about going to college for this. And I didn't even know that that was a thing. Um, But I think I've always just, you know, liked to throw paint at the fucking wall, you know, And I think the only way I know how to find the nuance of things is if you explode it in all different directions. And so Liz, I think she would. Yeah, at those auditions, she'd be like, Okay, now you're gonna sing Funck You by Selo Green as a Turkey for the first time. You would sing it once and then she'd be like, okay, now you have to sing it and you were freezing cold, like you might die, and was great. It was really cool and it's truly got you. And that's also like, so Steph was also a story pirate with Bowen, and I like so when they were like, Okay, we're going to play a spoon who's going through a divorce, like I understood it because of Liz. I like when the kids would be like, it's a spoon that's going through a divorce and he's sad because he doesn't want to like move away, you know, like and then like, but you understood that because that's something that Liz would say, you know, totally. Yeah. And there's also something really physical about it. I don't know why that. I've always felt very connected to physical comedy. I have this theory that I love physical comedy because I grew up in an immigrant household, so nobody universal, like it's universal, and I never I never got I even felt this when we were doing comedy in college where people would come in and it would be a Matthew McConaughey sketch, and I'm like, I don't feel like I know enough about Matthew McConaughey to know this, understand how funny this sketches. And I remember just being like, I guess I'll just be flarge. You know. That's when we talk about that a lot though, stuff because I feel like, especially the three of us, like when we were all in those comedy groups at n YU, they were run by the straight boys, when I know you dealt with this over in danger box, which is just like you know, we all had to sort of learn their references and get their bits and sense of humor, like you know, in a way, and it wasn't nefarious, but it was just the way it had to be. And like it wasn't like anyone like being like do you have to learn these? It was just like, okay, like this is this is the culture within this group of people and that's and that's all. This is a you know, answer this how you wish. But do you feel that sometimes at no? Ye, no, like the sense of humor, do you always understand you feel like you can always understand why things are funny, or do you feel sometimes that there's a very specific formula that you kind of have to abide too. There are so many filters that, um, a piece of writing goes through until it goes until it goes on air, and you always and I'm sure every writer feels this way, every cast member feels this way. They kind of want and some sometimes and sometimes I am not too invested in my own work, which is a bad thing to say, but sometimes you just have to accept that. You know they're not always going to be gold. But sometimes you want to go, oh, but if only you knew the process that like it was this other thing, this other and this other context. But that's not how comedy works. There's a beauty and that there's a beauty and only doing one final product on a Saturday of an idea something that was just an idea in your head on Tuesday. That's what's mind blowing about SNL. And so I never like put too much pressure. I never really analyze it too much and I think it's okay, But honestly, Step, it's I think I need to hear this right now, Like with what you're saying about Liz, which is that like there is this responsibility to like doing what we do, especially if we're lucky enough to get this opportunity that like the three of us like individually have or have collectively and you know what. Total aside, But I'm flashing back to a memory that is very stressful for me, which is the first Story Pirate show I directed. Was Matt's first year on Story Pirates and I think it was yours. But we all went to this middle school, do you guys remember, Yeah, we all went to this middle school and the creative story was Chaos Chaos Wanda, and it was just so wild and kooky and and the and the kids they were seventh graders and so at that age they're like really like trolling you and they're really trying to funk with you, and we're trying to put on this like wholesome show and it was just it was a stressful moment. And I did go home that day being like I failed my cast. I filed like these kids and the three of us were all there and like God bless you all for like see like this is what true, Like this is what the years means when we like say we know each other for a long time. It means that we've we've seen each other in weird, bizarre contexts and situations. Yeah, like being bullied by seventh graders, sense like because the Creative Story was like we would take suggestions from the audience and like you'd have to do what they said. And I also navigate, like when they were like trying to funk with you or make you do something weird, but also like you want to honor their ideas, right, And so I remember like the Creative Story got wild and out a hint ever steps and be like I can't believe we just did that. Also like that's important, you know what I mean, Like that's and I can't tell you how many times, like we fucking bid it like doing like and also like you remember how seriously we took it to Like I remember when we go to skid Moore. We looked at that as a huge opportunity to show the other colleges like what we were made of. And then all I can remember about that, and rightfully so is bowing coming out of the closet, Me and Steph being drunk, Remember me, you and study stuff, taking pictures of each other. We were stacked on top of each other. I remember like, yeah, we were remember them. I mean I was gonna come up, We're gonna come We don't have to talk about it, but no, no, no, no no no, we don't do it, but we But you know what it's we were definitely in college. We were in because we were. It wasn't even that, it was that we were. And we went to n YU were you know, being in college meant something so arbitrary and we weren't having the traditional quote unquote college experience and then we would go to this honest to goodness liberal arts school, liberal school, and then we like got it all out of our systems. Yeah. I had like a highlight college memory at Skidmore. It was me and some kid for meal making out and look at a tool shed I don't know, and I'm like that's all I need. I'm like, this is all I need, Like I don't have to Like I was never really that like debauchers at n y U, but like Skidmore was where we all just got it out. Just never forget Bowen coming out at Skidmore. O casey, I'm a hob and gh and he was just like that's great. He was like, that's great. He was the headwriter on Hot Dog. Hot Dog, Like the world is too small. It's just so funny. It's so small. It is tiny, tiny. Well, do you remember do you remember who beat us? Are are? We had a like a five Hammercats The Sketch Group had a five five months like Street Midnight Madness or whatever them, Yeah, Midnight cage match whatever, And do you remember who something like yeah or Showcase. I don't remember. Do you remember who beat us? It was? And Jonathan who Yes, there were two people. We were twelve hundred. They beat us and it was crazy and we were so bummed. And now you know they're all everyone's fancy. But do you guys remember there was a moment when at Skidmore John Gabriel taught us a workshop, taught danger box and hammer tats to work. But everyone was so funny. But and there was a It was an exercise basically where he would hand you a card from a deck of cards, and if you had to pick your low status, if you had a suit, if you're a face card, you were high status. And then it was he would be like two people on a date. And then I think I remember it was Steph Shoo and Mike Spence. I remember this. I remember this, and it was both of you were so funny. But that was that was a moment for me where I go, God, step Sho is the funniest mother figure, the funniest. I want you to do more, like like obviously everything everyone is funny and like Masal's a comedy show, but like they need they don't don't even know how funny. They don't know. Well, we should do something funny together. Obviously that's what should happen. I know, we all got to do something together. We really have to, im we have enough muscle between us, I think, so really we just got to figure out what story there. No, seriously, I'm like, I would that would be so fun you know, oh my god, No, I mean that would be the joy of my life with these two right here, right here and my sisters. Okay, so this is on a one minute segment that we do on every episode where we take a minute too. But what would you say drag to really examine drags a little violent? Yeah, you're right, I don't think so, honey is not negative. It's cathartic. Cathartic absolutely, Yeah, Okay, I think I have something. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. When he has time starts now, I don't think so. Honey. I witnessed a car blow up and where I'm staying. There was no one in the car, but war had exploded. I was. I was. I was living in the hotel and I hear this insane booming noise and then I see everyone just turn around and look at it, and I'm thinking the worst. I'm like, oh my god. I did never found out how the car exploded. But I turned around and there was a car on fire in the middle of the street between ten and eleven, and I was looking at it, and I was like, see, not this is New York, but this is New York. I mean, like, this is a crazy ass moment. And I finally I was like, no one was hurt. They were like, no one was hurt. I'm like, well, then the car was going to explode the way We're all just standing there watching the car there and everyone looking at each other, and we're also desensitized, like we only ever see on our phone. And there we are standing there watching a car explode and beyond fire, and no one is doing anything. You hear the sirens in the background, and I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. That is the Michael Clayton g t a Michael Clinton. I didn't even text any of our ends about it, bow because I was like, I don't want to upset anyone. But like when I tell you, I heard boom, and then everyone anyone. It was crazy. It was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. And then it shook me for like an hour. I like, I was gonna take a walk on the streets, because whenever I'm in New York, I take a long walk on the streets. But then I just walked around the fucking you know, Hudson Yards that mall. I was like, I'm staying inside of the wall where where the most dangerous thing is the prices at theory, you know what I mean, Like, I'm gonna stay in here because they're a deal. When I saw a car explode, I said, I don't think so, honey. Oh that's the only thing you can say in that situation. Should I've gone up next to the car and pulled out my phone and on a TikTok and said I don't think so. Honey, I posted it. Would that have been icon behavior? Absolutely? Absolutely? Wow that happened. I had anything? Did you have something? But I don't think that's my thing in the culture that I'm I can go. You got it? Okay? This is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. A T M fees um No, no, no, that's not good for me, sweetie, and for my bank account. No price is worth me getting money. You're gonna guys, I'm pulling this out of my ass. Don't ever ever show me to seventy five on that screen. I should be getting this for free. It's my money. Why are you holding it hostage? Give me twenty now? Why do I need the cash? Because I need to go buy a fruit, a piece of and they're not I'm not going to use my card for that. We're in a tap tap culture. More give me cash for free culture. You do see me at the strip club tipping the dancers and going that will be five seconds. This is a broken system. Everybody call your senator. I don't think so, and that's one minute. My girl's iconic. I don't think so, honey. On today. You know what I do think so, honey, that since I've been away from New York, apparently all the all the like corner like falafel stands, street meat, they take credit cards now, so now the only places look at what's here? Oh my god, stre meat, the street meat, honey. That's about in New York is that you could be walking like and and sort of working out and getting your steps in so you can eat the street meat. You can have that slice of pizza or McDonald's or don't act like it ain't true. Oh, I would never even pretend to not be the face of McDonald's. I mean, you really mean when you need you need to be the face of McDonald's. I think this is this is truly out of me. Stephanie really was there, Like I think I was eating McDonald's at every single Hammercats meeting Monday. On Monday nights when we would have our writer's meetings, I would pretty much Beadway, Yes, the one across from Tish, that place has seen some ship, oh, darling, dear darling. And there was the one near YouTube and that I think it's not there anymore, which is when you lived on what was it not nice? Yeah, there's no McDonald's scarier than the one in midtown, Like, yeah, the one by UCB two, the one, the one that's looked by like the poor authority, that is a haunted McDonald's. There's any thick New York City McDonald's. There's it's just cucko, cuckoo, cuckoo down and there's one that's you. You take the D downtown, I think it's like second Avenue D and you get out and there's McDonald's right there. That one's haunted. To do you need an dorsement McDonald's, Well, you know we did for the mccrib. Yeah, we did after the McRib. Yeah, and we did a whole episode devoted to McDonald's. You did. It was the twelfth Day of Culture. Oh no, yes, I know that. It was the first day of Culture, which is the first first stores. I remember that episode. I remember listening to it on all holidays. Twelve days of Culture. Oh um, yes, well, don't be don't be dragging me from my McDonald's consumption. Okay, So you know what I love is step shoe and whatever. I don't think so honey is going to be Are you ready, queen? I'm ready. This is step shoes. I don't think so many her time starts now, okay, I don't think so phones. Fuck them. This soul annoying and you're timing you with your phone. No, seriously, my sums are sore, my thumb are sore. I think I have like chunkier thumbs because all I do is some thumb people words on this little box, and I just it's crazy. I hate Oh wow, I really feel this. I really hate how I'm activated, I'm leaning in. I hate how phones have exploded time into a constant crack, and that if you don't answer someone in a fucking day, you get a follow up email and I'm like, don't fucking follow up with me. I have other things to do right now, which is literally where I cannot respond to your email Like that ship stresses me out. And I just feel like the phones have created this culture of immediacy, this culture of immediacy, and I want everybody to slow down. I want there to be time for us to pause and stop and rest. Fuck that ship. I'm not going to get endorsed by Apple now, I'll tell you that much, but you know I do it. So here's what I'll say, and I know you feel this way too. When you get a text someone an answer right away. I was like, you have homework, m But I also, you know, I'm also trying to be more gentle with myself and know that people love me, I love them, and that it's okay, like the ripple of time is okay. But Jesus, this little thing. Someone was in yoga today and started writing emails on her Apple Watch in yoga, and the teacher called her out, and I was like, yeah, that's not why you're coming here dropping. I think you you are always going to be very present, very aware of your environment, that this will never supersed that. I think you are built in a way that we are so jealous of, which is that like you don't need this, even though it seems like it's overtaking your life, you know how to you know exactly how to step away from it in a way we never go. Y'all are on my phone heroes in so many ways because I admire people who are able to function. Oh my god, wait, speaking of the phone. I actually this is a twist because Bowen said he forgot his, But I actually have what I wanted to do, which is very topical, and now I just remembered it and I want to do it. This is this is connected to phones, this is Matt Rodgers is second. I don't think. I don't think so. Honey, Twitter, good bye. You're to go down for fucking years. You have killed and destroyed the soul of this world. And if it took Elon Musk buying you and us having like a week couple of weeks of like hell for you to finally go down in the death throws, the death rattle of that is two good bye. I don't think there is a soul that is funny on it anymore. If you still use Twitter for your little humor platform, oh challenge yourself. Oh my god, I don't believe it. I am so happy this is going down in flames, because guess what if it continued. You know, Elon will just like Trump back of the funk on. Remember a couple weeks ago when he was like, yeah, vote for the Republicans in the mid terms. Bye, bitch. I am so happy. That's just thinking about you not knowing anything about how to run a company. You'd been like tweeting out to your employees, Hey, does anyone know how to write code? Thanks? Ellen, bitch? You are so stupid. Shoot him up into space where he belongs. Thanks for the tesla, I guess, but Twitter, I don't think so many Goodbye, Good riddance. Instagram is next. You think Instagram is next. Tech is not in a good place right now, And I think that's okay. Give me a rock and a hammer and a nail and I'm gonna hamm on my woods into the rock Commandment style. Yeah, I think we can. Just I don't think technology needs to This kind of technology does not need to advance anymore. Yeah, it can't, you know, I don't know. I don't really negative it's it's it's interesting right now because his his meta had to lay off a bunch of people. Um, cryptos collapse saying after the f T stuff or it's not collapsing, but it's just like the regulators are having to step in anyway. I don't. I don't know as much as I think I do on this. I won't even for your guy. But do you have an instinct about where the world goes from here? I don't. I really don't, But I hope more people are like Stephanie Shoe, Yeah, studying, Oh my god, do you have you gone? Back to Colorado. Since all this that's a that's a whole other conversation. Okay, I'm so sorry. We need to catch up. We need to catch up. Are you all going to be in New York? Well here? Yeah? Are you coming? Are you living in you know, you're just in the hotel. I don't know. I'm here for the rest of the month. But I hope we see what the Gothams. So too, I hope so too. Let's have a proper catch up at the award show. How about this, even if even if you don't get to go officially, will you come as my date because I get a date? You do? Yes? Are you a I would love to have you. Positive If you're going to be in New York for the Gothams and you're not going at the Every World at Once table, I want you to be my date. Isn't okay? Great? If I go to New York if I'm not in Australia just day, Oh my god, look at me, I'm being so hot and cold. Remember one on a date to Anastasia the musicale at the pens Ages. Yeah, it's funny. I want to I would love to see y'all in New York because you know, I feel like I can drop in deep yeah, instead of the frenetic energy. What we need to do is we need we all need, the three of us need to go to cozy Superberger. Oh no, no, but you know what's not there anymore. It's the cottage. I hate that the cottage is not there, and then also loved the cottage. I love. I remember when I had my restaurant. I think I had my twenty one birthday at the Cottage was a Chinese restaurant with unlimited wine, wine, unlimited wine, and they didn't card and they never carted. That's why I had my twentieth birthday there because they didn't card. And I remember it was like truly twenty of us. It was all the comedy kids, all drinking red wine and like really getting wasted on that shitty, shitty wine at the Cottage. And the food, and I will say the food was not that good, No, but it was cheap. It was cheap. It was an irving place. But it was also white tablecloth. It was cheap, but white table cloth, yes, table cloth, box wine. We thought it was fancy at the time. We really did. We did. We were so fancy drinking red out for a birthday dinner. It was the Cottage. It was called the Cottage. Alright, well we're gonna do cozy Stipenburger in New York. We needed to happen. Let us know when you come here, we love you so much. And to anyone that's in the fucking Screen Actors Guild a nominating committee. I know that she doesn't care about this, but what she deserves it critics choice and if you are, you know, as giving the thinking about f y fucking see Stephanie Shoe. I mean, like, this performance is so brilliant, it's so moving. It's everything that you deserve and more. And we're so proud of you and we love you so much. And the fact that like we got to have this like hour and a half here to like, you know, I'll chat and talk and share it with people. That's you know, it's just a testament to a beautiful friendship that we all have. I love you very much. I love you guys so much. Thank you so much for having me. This has been truly a dream come true. It's been a bucket list item to be less culture STI So I'm proud of y'all. And just yeah stuff, what do you think about? Well, I thank me and every episode of the song. Here we go, see a good problem for you. I'll forget your doing the edited version the Chaka wasn't wasn't enough. I thought it was so cool. I used to go, who wasn't enough? Okay? But now do it like a turkey putting um about to be um killed for a feast for the first okay, okay, okay. I hope listen listening, Love you guys,