Look man, oh I see you. Why look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness lost cultures? Calling my friend is already making me laugh my a off. Well you know what you're doing to all of TikTok? Oh, my god, our producer Becca just let us know that it's been all over her TikTok this morning. That's the way I said, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. That Bone was dancing with Muna on stage last night at their concert. It was it was very fun and I'll leave it at that. I was with you. I remember the day that song and video drop it was we were loading into Fire Island the first day of it was the track it was, it was, it was. I remember. I was like, I turned to you, was like this song. I'm gonna dance on stage to this song and in a year and a half I'll never forget. Just like, one thing you can do with your friend and all the readers at home, one thing you can do is out of nowhere. You can just win this a quiet one. What you can just go. What does that song mean to you? It means freedom, It means being able to be free. Equality, Um, it means stoner culture. Definitely, and it means, um, the permission which goes with freedom. Yeah, do you need permission to be free? No, that's a really big question. Do you need permission to be free? Damn? Why is this the deepest podcast on the web? Everyone? Hold on, let's gett this is honest. I actually think today is going to be honestly owned. To be honest, I'm ready. I'm ready to go there if you are. It has to be honest the z own because I don't think we can well, I don't think we can comment on pop culture without being a little honestly zone today. But we'll get there. Um, this is my thing. Lost cultural Istist might be a serious podcast first, it's very serio, but one of the most serious. I think we I think we delve into meaning just meaning. Culture is meaning? You know. If culture isn't meaning I don't know what I don't know, then I don't want to be right. That's a rural cultures? Which one is that again? Number seventies seven? Culture seventy seven? If culture, culture is a meaning, I don't want to want to be right? Right? Love you is wrong? I don't want to be right? Can I tell you what I'm so into lately, What SOMENGI I'm so intulately and I can't stop listening to it, and I realized, I think it is my favorite song of all time. What my Darling, I can't get enough, Babe, what is this song? Oh my god, I should know, I don't my very white sublind spot. Oh my god, there's the lead up to the chorus is so a feel the change, So then move a screen, real name. That's what you got to do? It doing enough? By god. I we need a voice like Barry White, like literally, like someone who sounds like very white back in the culture. We really do. I mean, we need I guess, bass baritone supremacy. We need them back. We truly do. You know who you know who's kind of you know what song I can't stop listening to and it's sort of giving me bass baritone. But he's like he's a rapper first and then he kind of sings as like you know, a peripheral thing is is Young Gravy is Betty is Betty by Young Gravy. It's it's it's just it's a sample of never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley. But it's like a really funny. It's a really funny song. He's kind of like, I'm this weird mystery, but he is apparently, Oh god, whose mom was he fucking someone helped me out here. Who's hey, whose mom was Young Gravy? Fucking it was my mom was young Gravy? Fuck um Addison raised mom. That's what it was. Yes, yes, yes, thank you. I have to say that for Verry White to be a blind spot for you and for Young Gravy to be a blind spot for me, because I I do have a blind spot for him that he's just sort of like popping off now in the last few months on TikTok on TikTok. He's just this tall guy with like you know, he's tall. He's tall, He's he's tall, and he's kind of a goofy goof His mom is an insomnia psychologist. I'm seeing here. That's amazing, very important work. She fucking I don't know, you know what I always asked about every celebrity who they fucking Um? There should be a movie where like a rapper, a white rapper dates like some like Okay, you know, I think like a Young Gravy type. I'm just I'm just that's coming to me now. But it's a young gravy type. He's fucking some tik talker's mom and then the mom to get back. Let's just and let's I'm imagining Addison Murray. This Addison rack character like doesn't like that, and then she as a way to do revenge. Sorry, Jen Kayton Robinson reference. Uh, she fucks his mom. Oh my god, okay, so let me just read back read about you said, Yeah, okay, you're you're So this is the pitch White rapper, young gravy type fucking a tiktoker's mom and the TikToker doesn't like that, so she sucks his mom. Oh my god. This is a huge commercial streamer. This is a big commercial streamer on Netflix. This is a huge Netflix film. I think, obviously, like the big story at least in like pop culture in the gay community at large as of late has been Bros. And I did go see the movie on Friday night, opening night, and I loved it. And now the weekend's over and the you know, the box office numbers have come in and it was sort of a major disappointment at the box office. It's so weird to see something trotted out and the narrative be it's historic, it's historic, it's historic. You have to go, you have to go, you have to go, and then literally to get a receipt at the end of it that says people didn't go, you know what I mean. Like that's very demoralizing and you kind of look back on it and think, how could it ever have possibly like occasioned that thing, the sort of like mainstream milestone historicism of it, Like I really like if this is honesty zone like that that greated on me the in the entire time, it really great it on me, and it was tough for me to watch that and be like okay, And I will say that I kind of detached from it very early on. I was like, yes, I'm very lucky to be in it. You were great in it, by the way, Like honestly, I like, like I the whole audience was so happy to see you when you popped up and you were so so funny, and at the end of the movie you pop back in for something and that hit really hard. Oh good good. I felt extremely taken care of by Nick and Billy and Guy Brandon who was on set with me, you know, producing and writing wonderful alts and just being so funny. That was guys, sort of onset ault of congratulations, you've made it to the bombed administration. Okay, anyway, that's a little spoiler, but that was all Guy Brandham, who but what's around the corner or whatever? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the movie is great. The movie is great, and it's just I think it was. It was tough to see it all spun very specific that I feel like set itself up and well, yes, this is my thing about the whole thing is we're sitting here talking about this and this huge gay romantic comedy has come out and it's really good. And yet and yet here we are on Monday, October three, recording this, and I feel like the prevailing story about it right now is that it didn't do well and so and so I guess this is my thing is it's like and and maybe it is impossible, and maybe it was a stack deck. I don't know what it was like to be around marketing people for that movie, to be around exacts involved in that movie, to be involved with you know, whoever was producing it. I don't know what that situation felt like. I just know that it's a shame that the narrative couldn't just be for this. This is so fucking funny and good son, and that's the thing, is like it is. And so because the whole media narrative was so front loaded with this is important, and it almost became like like a like a mandate that that, like, you go see this because this is how we, you know, advance and if you don't, we're not going to get this. And it feels like like the situation that we find ourselves in as gay creators is it always has to feel like there's like an extra burden, extra thing, and we can't just come out and say, hey, this is the thing that I worked really hard on and it's really good and it's really funny, and here I am just like promoting it like any stray person would. It felt like there was this just heaviness on the movie in the beginning about being historic and being important and being new, which is important. And I definitely had an emotional response to buying a ticket and going and seeing that movie and sitting down and experiencing that. But I feel like that should have been my experience and the viewers experience, rather than the media narrative because now at the end of this weekend, I'm talking to my fellow like, you know, gay creators and artists and comedians, everyone just feels kind of like wow, like are they never are they? Are they not going to give us another chance? Is what they said true? That we had to do this and make the succeed and we didn't? So now now what So the fact that we all still feel bad after this is the fact that, like it's sort of affirms the homework assignment of it all. I'm disappointed for the movie itself. It's such a great movie, and I know I feel bad for someone like Billy who had a very unenviable thing to do. But now I go, well, I guess I am a little nervous now about whether or not this happens again, you know, But this is my question, and I think this is this is where I really want to have like a discussion. I really want to know what you think about this. Do you think that there's not other things to be learned from this can help the next thing. I hope that people that are in positions of power that can make another movie like this possible. If we do get another gay rom common theaters like or if they are, you know, if they just do better on streaming whatever. No one knows what the future holds anyway. And it should also be said that it's extremely hard for any live action hard our comedy anyway, which is another reason why it was annoying for me to have this expectation on this movie, because it's almost like seeing a man that's carrying like mattress up a stair and then saying, hey, could you also be fucking gay? And everyone knows it, you know, you know what I mean. It's just like it's already hard enough to open a live action comedy without that whole thing of like, and people haven't supported us before in this and you better now so like and the mattress is from Mattress Firm and not like the Casper, you know. It's like it's like this new thing is sort of displaced the market for the old thing, and yet this person is still carrying the old thing, and it's expected to transcend the fact that it's a mattress from Mattress Firm. This is not like a digat mattress, and but it's but it's just like metaphorize or whatever, like the fact that like there are different expectations on like the non Avengers movie exactly, and so so it almost felt like, Okay, we haven't seen flat out a comedy really succeed you know, at the box office in a while, let alone like a romantic comedy, which also have struggled, let alone a gay romantic comedy. So I just think it was already going to be tough, and then there's this extra stuff put on top of it, which is like this sort of I'm sorry, but like finger wagging at Gabe at straight people rather which I really don't think is going to help. And now even at the end of the weekend you see the blame being put on straight people that didn't show up. But it's just like, is that actually helping? Like it does it? Does it help to say, hey, straight people, we notice that you didn't show up for us this time. Thanks a lot, like and that is kind of like the prevailing feeling at the end of this like press cycle is more like polarization. Yeah, I feel that it makes sense to me that with that urgency that like, wow, a comedy has not a theatrical release for a comedy has not succeeded in a long time, and let's like layer on all these other things. There's this enormous amount of pressure, and so in order to meet that urgency internally, you want to externalize that by saying, it's very important that everyone go see this, and if you don't, then it's of betrayal or it's it's a it's then then we will feel wronged. And then yeah, for for that feeling of wrong edness to continue is really tough. It just doesn't feel good. I mean the film, let's just be real, the film has one big star. It's really a two hander between Billy and Luke. And I thought that, like, Luke was incredible in the movie. He's excellent in it, but in terms of a media thing, like Billy's obviously going to be the one out there. He had to do pretty much the whole thing like and it's like and it's really hard, and I can't imagine what it must have felt like to be him, to be noted throughout the process of making the movie pre pro production, post and now the marketing, which is like the most heavy, weird part of it. And you are one person and I don't know if the studio mandated or whoever it was mandated the fact that the leading media narrative be the historic nature of it, you know what I mean, Maybe they did that can be an element of it, but it can't be the whole thing. And it just felt like we got to the quality of the movie after we had maybe like exhausted this media narrative the whole time of this is important. I think it was coming from one place and not necessarily. It was not as top down as we might think it is, because I feel like on the poster you're seeing in bold letters from the director of Forgetting Sarah Marshall, the producer of Train Wreact, for your Virgin whatever, you know, like Neighbors director of Neighbors. Yeah, it's like that marketing on Let's just say the poster was telling you that this was going to be a very funny movie. Yes, this actually brings me to something in the movie. And I think it's actually indicative of, like of the fact that the museum is the first LGBT museum. That's not what I was gonna say. I was actually going to And you and I have spoken about this monologue that Billy has on the beach. Excellent monologue. Okay, but I thought I was truly breathless through that monologue. I was like, wow, like this is really good. And I for those who haven't seen the movie and guys, go through the movie because it was so funny, and I just wish every one could get like, yes, it has a high Rotten Tomato score, Yes it's critically a claim. The cinema score is an a that means everyone that's seeing is loving it, leaving it being like everyone should go, you should go, because it's all getting in the way of the fact that this is really good. But us on this podcast, we're sort of just reacting to what's happening in pop culture, and this is what's happening in pop culture. This is where we're at with this movie. But I want to just pull something from the film, which is that Beach monologue, which is Billy is talking about He's responding to Luke's character saying he's the most confident person he's ever met, and Billy said, yeah, I'm confident because I had to be confident because no one was ever going to be confident for me. He's sort of trying to articulate this feeling of I had to fight my entire life to make sure that I proved that all the straight people, that all the naysayers were wrong, that I did deserve to be happy, that I did serve to be successful because I knew in my heart that they were wrong. And then there's a moment in the monologue where he looks out to the water and he says, and they were, and he says again and they were, And it should have ended right there because I was like, oh my god, yes they were. This is Billy Eichner, you know what I mean? Like, and can I just say pulling out? I love Bill. I have listed Billyer on so many lists of like my top influences. He truly genuinely Lewis for Tells said this online and I think it's so true. He brought a niche type of pop culture like gay male humor that we share and brought it to the mainstream and thought and like, you know, it may not be your thing, but if it is, it really is. And Billy Eichner is someone who he can do pretty much no wrong for me and making me laugh like he always makes me laugh. And he's also such a nice guy and he's a very sweet person, and I think he's deserving of success here with this. But in this monologue he says, and they were, and they were, And there's a moment where it feels like it should end, and then he keeps going, and it's clear that his character, and I think by extension maybe him is still very bitter about this idea that straight people have held him down, or if, like you know, he goes in he even says like words that we all say to each other, like how many times have we been called two nice to that whatever? And he says these things like sort of out loud, and I'm sitting there thinking, I think this was all actually much more implicit and what he's already said, And maybe by going a little bit too far in this, there's something else revealed that stops it from being like I'm on your side and starts me saying, I see that you're angry, you know what I mean? And I just think, whether it's for a romantic comedy or for this film, or for us our attitude going forward in general, can I just say you're right? They were wrong, they were wrong. We needn't be angry anymore, you know what I mean? They were wrong about you, they were You're you're a star, you know what I mean, like like and like you know, it's it's so affirming that we got this moment. Yeah, like the best writing, especially for a moment like that, is some textually rich and he kind of it went a little too far. Well, he he kind of brought the subtext up to the surface, not not even up to the service, just kind of like pulled it up out of the water or whatever, you know, like, um, that's interesting, that's really interesting. I really and I really I was breathless that entire monologue too. When I watched, I was like, this is an excellent performance. Yeah, he was great. Um, and that is I think that is the midpoint of the film. It is, Yeah, basically that's that's like where it's like very clear that they are in love or like like that that it's happening between them. And I will say this, I it was so charmed. But I was much more charmed than I thought I would be by the actual romantic aspect of it. Like everyone had been leaving me like, oh my god, it's so funny. You're gonna love the jokes, and I really did. I mean, there's some jokes here that I will remembering. Is incredible. Messing is so funny, and it like there's a moment where like like you see Luke and his job and like he's talking to some guy and like I won't spoil it, but the line about SHARE's staff that was so funny. The Kamala and the Kamala impressionists was so funny. There's just there's so many things and all the pop culture references like the names of fake shows and stuff like all of that was just hitting on such a deep level. But I was really taken by the fact that I really, like actually bought their romance. Like I I was really with them until then it became a little bit I felt in the script it was like, oh, this is when the characters fight because the movie needs them to fight. Um. But but I was very armed by their chemistry and like I loved the weird sex that they had. That felt very right. Yeah yeah, um. So yes, we're saying to you publicist readers Katie's um that you should definitely see it, but not because it's compulsory, because you will enjoy it, no matter guaranteed you will enjoy it. It's also relevant to us in our interests. And I will say, like I said this to you and Joel, but I feel like being a part of Fire Island and literally seeing and even more than seeing, like feeling how the sausage was made. Sort of like when I sat down to have ultimately watched that movie in the movie theater, like I didn't get to have like a full, holy complete experience watching it as like a gay movie goer because I was in it, you know what I mean, Like we were in it. But with this I went and I was like, you know, my theater was about full, and you know, it was all of these gay men laughing at these gay jokes and like, you know, all this stuff, and it felt really good. You know. I actually left the theater being like this movie is going to be successful, Like I I really think that, like people are going to come see this. And then when I googled like how I'd done at the box office, I just really my heart sank because it deserved better than that, and I wonder if we could have set it up for success. But it's not for lack of trying. And like I said, I know how hard they worked and promoting it. They worked tireless, absolutely, and I maybe maybe what's pulling at me is that it's like there is no like right person or thing to blame necessarily. Even as we're saying all this, like you know, who know, like we don't we we just we just don't know. Even even after we like posit all these things, it's it's not definitive. And so we're just here talking on our podcast about pop culture being like it might have been this, it might have been that. Who knows if it was this, who knows if it was something else? But yeah, anyway, please go see it. Yeah, people should go see it. And also, you know what, it's not it's not necessarily a capital F failure because there could be great word of mouth. And what we're telling you was like like from from us to you, like it's so funny Smile Smile, Socie Bacon talking about Smile, So Socie Bagon talking about Smile. And also but you know what they had really clever marketing. Did you hear that something? And this, by the way, Smile was like a huge hit this weekend And I actually it was funny because I was leaving that, I was leaving Bros. And it was like, I guess both movies had come out at the same time and I was like, I saw some people that I knew, and I was like, oh my god, so funny. Right, and they go and they go, oh, really you thought it was funny. We were so scared. I was like Rose and they were like, oh no, no, no, we saw a smile. And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I just saw bros. And they're like, oh, yeah, for sure. Oh are all your people coming out a smile? Like but they were all coming out a smile. This is really illuminating because I'm sure there's no possible way you will ever see smile. But if you go into smile going and I love SoC oh my god, if you go into smile going, maybe I'm gonna trick my brain ato thing this is a comedy, then like you, you couldn't enjoy it, couldn't work alright, I mean probably not apparently to give a harrowing performance. But we were talking about this. It's toward a force. Just giving toward a force in a horror movie. Maybe worthwhile for you and you know what to because I do know her, like, maybe I'll be able to laugh at it a little bit more like oh that's so see, it's not real. She's not really dying or someone or whatever the funk happens in it. Like what I love about that, And Joel made Joe Ready made a really good point about this is you know, mid budget horror is where they can make these sort of creations, Like yeah, they're gonna put Socie in the lead. Like I don't think people knew her name like out there in Middle America. Like I think people maybe recognized her from Mara East Town or whatever, and maybe they know that she, you know, has famous parents or whatever. But like she was like an interesting, fun choice for smiles and now it's like she she's a movie star and another therapist. Hello, Hello, I'm so see. I met Socy years ago. Um, she was doing an like an off Broadway musical with Dave and she's got a great voice too, So there's lots of stuff hidden there. I embarrassed myself on the Today's Show. She was right across the stage from me, and I was like, they're so see, and I was like we went to school together. And then that was not factually correct. It's just that she knew Dave. Yeah, and I had assumed that I traced it. I interpolated too far into n y U Days and that's not what happened. Yes, So she she did an off broad musical with Dave Um with also Lauren Pritchard from Spring Awakening cast of Spring Awakening. That's how I met her, and she and David hit it off like right away and sort of like any friend of Dave's a friend of mine. So it's like she became like she's a very cool girl, and it's it's very awesome to see. Obviously we wanted Bros. To come out at number one, but like, it's pretty cool that Socie is the star of you know, Smiling in one movie. And I was saying about their marketing, did you see Um? I don't know. I was reading an article about like comparing the the the success of Smile with like the failure quote unquote of Bros. This weekend, and they were saying the way that Smile marketed their movie was really interesting, Like they hired I guess actors to sit behind the home plate at a baseball game and just smile like this the whole time, and the camera would pen in on them and was like, what's this. It looks like the people like behind home plate or have some sort of scary affliction. To find out about this, you better go see Smile this weekend. And that's the kind of marketing that I think is really clever, you know what I mean, Like, like, where where is the cleverness with this marketing? It can be fun, It can be fun. It can be fun. Just get out there, do something. Do something silly at a sports game. Period, Yeah, do something silly at a sports game. It's actually a really coach number three a period. Oh my god, it really is spooky season, but spooky season. And how before we get into spooky season, can quickly just ask you about your experience with Fasora, the b York album that just came out because you in the group chat with a bunch of York kads, Joshua Aaron Jackson had to rob me every now and then Burker loves York. I've I've always enjoyed York on a very like innocent, uninformed level my whole life. And then going to Iceland, I like it just you it feel like I had to listen to her and it and it all clicked and I was like, Okay, I'm listening to every single them start to finish and it all makes sense to me. And asked, I'm happy to answer any questions or address any concerns, but talk to me about your experience with a Sore, which is a tough album to get into with her. Yeah, So basically for all the readers, um, I am not really a your person, you know what I mean, Like you probably into it that if you listen to this podcast about me, like I don't I appreciate what she's doing. I get it, but I don't get it, you know what I mean, Like I can't listen to it, and like, really there's not really a place for me to land in it. But when I was tripping balls with my sisters in Fire Island, they actually Crystal Line. They played Crystal Line and they were sort of I don't really go very witchy on the dock. We were witchy. And then and then like at the end of Crystalline, she like has like a thousand drumbeats all converge at one completely insane, complete, and then we it all. It became a little mini mosh pet mosh moment and we were all like fucking like head bobbing head rock and it was euphoric and so that you were like, let me check this woman out, let's me check this girl out. Well, when I see all my dear girls enjoying my like I said, my my, my three older sisters and my two good little sisters enjoying m New York. So I was like, all right, let me just try to put it on. Yeah, and I'll say, you know how on Spotify, like you can put it on, but in the background there's like those images, yes, yes, canvas. Yeah. I had to turn it off because those images were very scary to me. It was like, yeah, the fun guy like some sort of like like a lava lamp fun guy moment, and just I it overwhelms me. But York overwhelms me. I completely understand that. First of all, canvas turn it off. I don't like it. It's distracting. When I listen to music on Spotify, I don't really care for the visuals most of the time. I just want to see the square and the picture. That's it. Second of all, to be overwhelmed by York is gay culture, gay culture, that's rule of culture. Yeah, what is that again? One hundred fifty fifty New York is gay culture. But that speak. But then once you accept that there is there are very few footholds in her music, then that's when you can sort of like completely rethink your your concept of pop music because she is she is considered a pop artist, you know, and so okay. Jason P. Frank actually wrote a great piece and Vulture about like how to access New York because she is inaccessible, but it seems like the people who really love her are like in on something. And it's that once you realize that it's meant to be boundary, lest that like there are no destructure, structure doesn't really exist in the same way as most pop music and melody and all this other stuff, like it can be a little fun. And then I think maybe start with Chris Vespertine, which is like, it's g she's a genius because when invest Suppertin came out, um, she it's a lot of like icy sounds. It's a lot of and it's like she that was very intentional because it's right when Napster was big, and right when the MP three's were like a concept and introduced into the world and people were downloading music, and she was like, I need to sonically make this album about even if you download it a million different times, and the quality of the audio is completely bastardized and diminished, like once it lands in people's computers or whatever c ds, like, it should still sound like the same. Does that make sense? Like the sounds are very sharp and so therefore that that sort of resolution in the in the sound is maintained no matter how many times it's downloaded. Like she like is so she's incredibly forward thinking. Yeah, she she really is, And I do get that's that's part of it. Part of it that I get is I understand that she wants the listener to have a different type of experience than someone who is following a pop structure. Would I guess for me, I'm just such a I'm actually such a structure person when it comes to film, television, music, Like I actually think the structures of all of these things make it exciting because I like to see someone. I like to see someone experiment within a structure. And then when something is sort of structure list or follows its own structure rather to not sound so pejorative, it's more of a leap for me because I'm I'm waiting for the structure. It's just like there's like a rhythm that I'm like waiting for whereas with her, I actually was laughing hysterical at the end of Crystal Line, because essentially it sounds like chaos, like a volcanic eruption. Yes, it sounds like destruction in a way where I was like, actually, like, this is hilarious to me, and I think that, yeah, there has to be like it has to come from a place of humor in some way because it's so crazy, and it felt like my body had been tossed around in a million directions and therefore, so I had my emotions and I was like, Okay, I understand that that was the intended response. I just don't know that I could like it's it surprises me that so many people listen to her so much. Well, she started out like, oh my god, she's just she's so funny, so you should. So this podcast came out pretty recently where she like each episode is her talking about the album and the really interesting interviews, and her whole thing is that you would think that York is very like high brower, that like the people who listened to her are like, oh, like incredibly sophisticated or whatever. But she's always been like, my music is for everyone. It's not for like, it's not for like quote unquote like educated people, like like snop music. It's not for music stops, it's for everyone. And then she goes um. When she first started out, she came from this you know, punk band, Sugarcubes, and then she went so hello, and when she went solo, she was like, I felt like people were limiting me. And she goes um as a woman, like if your solo artist as a woman, like people trying to like box you in, blah blah blah blah blah. But then she puts it in the best place. She goes, I didn't want to be smurf fat. I wanted to be all the Smurfs. And she's so funny and and this has been helpful for me. All of Gaga's cookiness is just like a water down thing that York has done in the past. Some might say, why has this been helpful for you? Because it's like I love I will, I love everything Gaga has ever done. And I think Gaga is as inspired by Madonna as she is by York. And like the visuals being like so crazy, especially early on when she was wearing like Crimit the frog dresses, like that's like you know, like the Swan dress is iconic, yes, and York is just like York just gets it. She's just like doesn't take it seriously. Icelandic through and through the Icelandic people are just so like wonderfully unflappable as a and I feel like that's as an artist. You know. What's interesting is like you mentioned the Swan dress, and I also think the reason why I'm sort of like, um, I had never thought she was for me is because when the Swan dress happened, and when her performance on the Oscar stuff I've seen it all from day was ridiculous happened. I remember sitting there, I was I think it was nine, yeah, and so I was watching it and I had just become familiar with the Oscars basically through the phin phenomenon of Titanic, right, and so by proxy my heart will go on. And the type of music I was like told was very good, was very you know, very structured and stuff like that. And so the type of glamour I was also told or like how you look at a red carpet was also like very clearly telegraphed to like a seven eight nine year old me. And then hair comes Bork with the Swan, which was full on Swan's body wrapped around her damn neck in a tutu, and then she went out in that outfit, no costume changed, and performed one of the strangest songs I ever heard, in such a manner that I had never seen before. And I remember turning to my mom and being like, this is terrible. This is terrible. Yeah, this is terrible, right, and like she was on all the worst dress list because no one got it. Now, in my adulthood, not get the Swan dress. I think it's so funny and good, but also that performance of that song and that song are so hunting and beautiful, and I just never could have gotten it, as like a little idiot toled by the media that this is weird and stupid, and like weird and stupid equals bad, So like hate this, hate York. She's wild and from Iceland. And now as an adult, I'm like, okay, wait, there's so much more here than I ever would have thought, and probably that song should have won the Oscar? Oh what did when? Do you remember? What did when the Oscar? That year? I think it was a song from I think it was like God it was bout Dylan. That's right, It was a bob Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But I feel like York is just a beautiful, rich meal and anytime it's there for you, anytime there's no shelf life on it. Um, it's non perish. It's a beautiful, non perishable meal. Like like all all of the albums hold up. It's like canna beans. It's like canna beans but delicious. Speaking of beans, have you seen like so online, like you know how like there was like this um like everyone was obsessed with a while with Courtney Take Your Break from the new one that's going around is it's just so funny. Well, it started with people sending around the Stephanie clip like Stephanie j Block fully belts it out, very fiercely, belt it out and stuff. But like I saw a super cut recently of like high school girls singing Beas and honestly, it's hard because the like the ju that vowel is hard to like, so it's hard to get up there, like it's hard to it's just it's a hard vocal. And then the beans, it's just like it's just like not an easy part of that song to sing. So of course we've heard Sarah Barella's do it like gleas and do it, and you know, like all these people do it that have been able to do it because they've done it professionally. But watching these high school girls try to do it is so funny because you can tell it's just like flam link in the dark, like laser tag with no gone, just like that vibe like completely lost shooting at nothing like flailing in the sky. But that's the one that has been sort of violently and I recommend you, I'm gonna do it. It's that's the beauty even Into the Woods too, is that it's the most easily you know, amountable for high schools for like a young cast and therefore, like you just there's just so much like goodness there and like innocence there, and like they only do the first half. That's right, Yeah, they stopped the high schools do. I don't know if readers know that. They probably do, but like high schools don't do the second half Into the Woods for their musicals and stuff. The Giant is tough. Well, it's just it's a little substantial, you understand. They don't want to see that. The The Baker's wife gets stopped all the way out, which spoiler alert she does spoiler alert um, speaking of the sun time of it all, this pod has continues to be predict the future. What do you mean when we said we wanted to see a big budget tweeny todd Oh yeah and low and be ho, we're getting Josh Groban and Emily I think it'll be great piece orchestra. And they're both committed for a year. I also have heard this, but but when we were you we are talking about how like Beanie was committed for six months. I don't know how long she was committed, but basically, like I mean, they're human beings, like they can do whatever. Like when you're under contract, no one's gonna put gun to your head and be like you have to do this ship. But like I mean, I don't know, like I would I would imagine that, Yeah, I would imagine that Beanie was contracted longer than she did the show, but then it was like not a tenable situation for her are their production and so they probably let her go early, especially because it happened so quickly. I'm very excited, I will say, And this could be and I don't think so honey, but I won't do that either. Um, I try to get Today was when the tickets were dropping premarriily. We were along at York Theater Workshop starring Jonathan Groffin, Daniel rad Cleff and and and and a wonderful cast. Um, but I gosh could not do it. And I set an alarm. I was on it the minute the clock struck twelve. Couldn't do it, and so they sold out, sold out within Like I was in the queue for like twelve twenty minutes and then like it just booted me. And I was like, oh no, what a bummer. Yeah, it's hard to buy tickets online. You know what. What what they say is always call because nobody but the New York Theater Workshop website says, do not call us, do not calls. To do it through the website. And I was like, well shit, okay, Well then you know what, if it's going to be a mandate that we do with the website, then the websites have to be prepared to handle that kind of traffic, and they have to be prepared to like I mean, it's ridiculous, like these websites have to you know, gotta get you gotta get it together. Gotta get together. It's like with be Real, it's like okay, like let's like let's like make this usable and have the the pictures upload, mama, if it's gonna be But it's time to be real. When I flip open the app, why am I waiting to get the option to take my picture? Just give me an option to take my picture now, honey, it's time for you. You're telling me it's time to be real. I'm telling you it's time to be functional. Culture number thirty, It's time to be real real, It's time for you to functional. I don't think that you're just gonna mention be real and may not bring up your startling and and and startling salient sketch. It made salient points. All my all my work is startling and salient. There's a rumor online about the lost culture is this bit to SNL sketch pipeline? But what is that? I don't think there are that many examples. There's been a couple of times where it seems like something that was time. It has been been at times. It has been at times, um no, that was I mean that was purely inspired by like the conversations that like we've had on this Like I literally found out what be Real was on this podcast, um, and then I pitched it to Celeste. I was like, Okay, it's a bank robbery and then the real goes off and they were like that's they were like, okay. I was like, I think the PDD boys had a similar idea where it happens in surgery, and I was like, okay, that's funny too. And then we all met up and we were like we just all kind of talked it down and it was so fun and god like, the boys were great. Selust was great, directed by new director um Tim will Kim and wonderful it was. It was, it was very fun. I thought Myles was great. I thought Myles Teller was a great host. Miles is fun and my boy was that freshman dorm was third North wait really and yeah, and then he was at Lafayette and it's been a big n my U week for me because then went I went to graduate. He was like he was like two thousand nine, but we overlapped with him. He was Strasbourg. Oh so yeah, he must have been a school when we were so yeah, yeah, so we were there he must have been there's been graduated nine okay, yeah, he must have been a freshman senior when we were freshman anyway, and then they did Today's Show with Jacob sober Off and he was like, I was at Haydn and then now it's called something else. Remember he's very cute. He's very cute, is he? G A y No, he's not very h E T E r oh Okay yeah yeah, yeah, sorry to this man. Sorry to this man. Um. For some reason, maybe this is the year of me like coming to terms with my n y U e LAM identity because I kind of I've kind of blocked it out for several years before this. I just every now and then I'll be like, oh, yeah, I went to that school. Okay, I forget that I went there until I remember, you know what I mean, Like, it's it's so funny to have gone to college there, because I guess like when you go to n y U was just sort of like like you're just in New York City and so that kind of is the vibe. But I don't know, the city is your campus even period. Here at n y U, the city is your campus. God, should we go back and do like a corny asps a or no, never accept money from them. No, I don't want to accept money from them. Sorry, and I'm never giving you money. Stopped sending me this a lum bullshit. Oh yeah, it's so funny to me. It's like, you don't you have more than enough from me, Thank you very much. I'm not giving you a shilling. You're not gonna from Matt Rodgers, are there? There's an exciting development. Um. I will say is that you and my and are good. Judy Joel can Booster competed on Celebrity Jeopardy recently and the episode will be coming out and I didn't compete against Joe Kim No, that's right. But we taped episodes on the same day. I think I can say that, and I can't say how it went, but I can say that it's going to be a good content and it watch the whole episode, four episodes. Honestly, it was really fun. Um. I had a nice little conversation with Miam Biolic. Yes, I actually I told her. I was like, I was like, you had a podcast episode with Kelly Clarkson that was like so good because they Kelly Clarkson was on Miam's podcast and it was like such a good, honest episode of it was giving good podcast and I had to tell her. I was like I really enjoyed that, and she was very nice and lovely. I will say, when you are on Jeopardy, which is like so surreal, like it's so crazy, it's such a beautiful stage, like it's like and like I can't say who I competed against. It was a really fun group and you do think like, oh my god, like to watch Alex Trebec stomp out here and do it like so majestic, like he really was, so he had the gravitas. And one thing I loved about Mayam was she didn't come out beforehand to like say hi, how are you? Thank you for doing this? It was just we saw her for the first time live on the day she came out and hit the podium and then started the game, and I was like, yes, I thought that was actually like I was like, I was like absolutely, I was like say hi to us, you're the host of the period. And then I did think like wow, what the added nerves it must have been to have like tripbec like stalk out there and that tall drink of water and like do it like, oh my god. But like I said, I had an amazing time. It's it's a sophisticated show, and that it is like I would only ever host a game show if it well I'm saying not that, I'm saying I would only host a game show if it was like if it wasn't like, hey, here we are playing this, I would only host a game shop it was like welcome to the game show and here we go, you know, like that kind of thing. And I think maybe the play is about that. I think the play is about a game show that's very like by it and like low frequencies that we're going to do. Yeah, And I just think like there's something there. And then like, is it a play where you play the host and I play the contestant and I challenge your conceptions of what you thought the game was. I think it's write this down. I think this is a good tention with the tick, with the sort of young gravy tick to believe we're gonna write two movies. How does he challenge your conception of your quiet game that you host them. It's not about the game, you know, the game is always gonna be quiet, Okay, no, it's okay. Well you obviously the obviously like the sort of let's just say this is not the right usage of the term, but the Chekhov's gun is that like, at one point I yell and things get loud and people scream and like, and then that disrupts the entire sort of like equilibrium of the thing, where it's like, this is supposed to be a quiet game, So why are we why are we yelling? And like that's when the audience gets nervous, you know. So maybe it's that you have a pomp and circumstance. M hmm. Way to say it, Yeah, you you have, you have a dignity and serenity around this game. And then when someone comes in and challenges that, that's when the play begins. And the play is the thing. The play is the thing. I feel like, I'm I'm not tripping here, am I Like? That sounds like a really solid piece of player. It sounds like a huge commercial play. I never said commercial. No, and it is. It's going to be really important because when people buy tickets to this big commercial play, they're also buying tickets to two gay men on stage together. It's a story you can't do that. It's a story now, man, you have to What are you gonna do? Not laugh because they save me from crying? No, um, I think no, this is the plan. Literally, the the venue idea is New York Theater Workshops, so that we're there and then I get to go up to the people who run the damn website and go change the ticketing system. Twenty years ago, I couldn't buy tickets to Merrily. Why do you think this is gonna happen in twenty years? I don't know, because places takes our art takes a long time, because years art takes a long time. Yeah. Ak, that's bones nice way of saying I'm too fucking booked to do a play. Um what else? What else? I? Um? Housewives? Oh yeah, well the Salt Lake girls are sucking back. Let's just say that. And in a moment too soon, did you enjoy the premiere? Because I know that you sort of you dragged your feet with salt Like not really, I just the trailer just didn't hit me. Maybe I was just not in a good, in the right mindset for the trailer when it came out, But I was like, this looks fine, and like the whole black guy. I think, like Heather's black eye. I'm like, she fell Okay, no one hit her, she fell down. Hit her, fucking I sock it on, you know, a banister the end, Like, let's not draw this out. But UM like that maybe like bugged me the entire time. I'm like, why are we pretending anyway? Um, It's wonderful. I'm so glad these these women are back. I was watching it at work with the last um and they were like, Heather's the only one. And I was like, I guess no wrong, I said, and then push their head. Yeah, okay, what do you think? What do you think Heather is not the only one? Okay, So this is this is my This is my take on the first episode of Salta City Housewives O. One. Lisa Barlow is a one of a kind creature for television and her walking in with her diet coke, she now like knows what she's doing enough to the cup to her head. Yeah yeah. And I think that she is kind in the sense that she makes things happen in the show without it being like I'm producing. She just kind of put herself in situations where they get emotionally heated and we have to respect that, like her crying breaking down to Seth at the end of the episode when Meredith wouldn't even turn her back at the end, that that to me was the Housewives that I like, that's like and it's honest. Yes, it feels real, and it feels based on something crazy that that a person would do like and and I just I love that. I think that everything Meredith is saying about Lisa and these rumors about her cheating and doing sexual favors in order to get you to tequila in certain establishments is I don't I don't believe it, and I don't think it's not very Is that not very produced? Like Meredith trying to produce. I understand why she's doing it, and I almost think there is a hidden point to doing it, which is see, look, I can just say any fucking thing too, because I also don't believe that Meredith fucked half of New York, you know what I mean. But Lisa got to just say that, and then it gets to be out there and Meredith feels with the strife. Well guess what, bitch, I can say whatever I fucking want to, and people can decide whether or not it's true. How do you like it? So? I do think it is a while. It's a wild response, and it's like it decidedly engaged for spons and I don't think it's true. I understand the intent of her doing it. Yes, now read Heather, this is where I pushed the last head. Yeah, well what's the last They can hit me back? Okay. I challenged the last to a fight only only upper body kicks, no kicks. And they're lucky because I have a very strong leg, long and powerful, long, powerful chat leg um. Heather got absolutely smoked in her first scene by Whitney because when the entire narrative has been the church is so hard, like I'm such a bad Mormon, like leaving the church stressed because of the church again today, like what about my daughters in the church, like my parents in the church, like me and the church, the church, the church. Whitney comes in and she's like, guess what, Mama, I'm taking myself off the fucking mailing list. I'm not even getting into Heaven. I'm owing to hell officially. I printed out a document that says I'm being damned and I'm going to sign it. And Heather was just like okay, And I bet she feels some type of way about the fact that Whitney is living out the storyline in a more explicit interesting way than Heather actually can, because at the end of the day, Heather can't like woman up enough to get herself off that registry. She doesn't. Yeah, perhaps this is the first grain seed whatever into their conflict with the rest of the season. I think it's something because I don't think I think if we're going to set the whole thing up with Whitney and how the I have a falling out and then this is going to be the first thing we open on them doing, I think that it must be a thing. Yeah, Whitney is just doing this because she doesn't want to just you know, have a door knock and it's the fucking church. Yeah, we're just check in where's the money. I get it. I'm I'm on her side. I wouldn't want to be bothered either. And I also think like, and we always say this about how the when the reunions roll around, but she seems extremely high on her own supply reunions, And it's just interesting because I feel like, and maybe this is harsh, but I think she left the church, but she's still just as righteous. I think she's still just as judgmental and righteous as she always was, because I think maybe she's not a member of the church, but she's still someone that was formed by that church, and her personality was heavily informed by the experience of being a religious Mormon and the way that she treats other people, the way that she's sort of and you'll notice that the thing she says about other women is, you don't treat me right. You you talk down to me, like you disregard me. You do this to me, you do this to me. But I feel she does that to other people and her she only thinks in terms of status, I feel, which is interesting because I don't know how you feel and we haven't even spoken about. But this ally ship that Heather and Meredith still have with Jen, I don't think it's doing what they think it's doing it. I don't look at that and think, Wow, what good friends, right are dying with Jen? I think, guys, there's real victims here, Like this isn't even an Erica Jane thing, and the Beverly Hills women really do give ever Erica a harder time than these talt like city women. Give jen who's actually responsible for these people directly? You know whatever? I mean what Coach Shaw is an interesting character in all of this, I think. But watching Jen Shaw, the woman the person just like crumble in this way slowly and where they're on the vine, I go, oh, this is this ain't good and this is this is not ending well and we all know where this is headed, which is the guilty plea. But to watch her in the first episode be like, I'm not taking the plea deal Like, it's so like, oh, this fucking, this fucking person. I don't know. I wonder how they're going to make it interesting and compelling for an entire season. We we know she's going to be like, I'm mendicinea and minnicinea and medicine. Yet we know she's guilty and that she admits to guilt. So it's essentially just going to be us watching her gas slide and her friends all year, and ultimately I guess what's going to be interesting about it is how they land knowing this is true? Right? Oh remind me um. The episode started in in a beautiful sort of artistic display of editing, Like I feel like the way it was edited was wonderful, true prime Well, it was like these like you know whatever, like desaturated shots of like the women being like it's how they're being, like, my friendship with Whitney is as strong as ever, and then it cuts to like, is oh it was the first season confessionals, right, That's what it was, and it's just like this is all being completely turned on its head. Every single thing these women, like, all these things that each of these women are saying will be completely and the foundations of all these characters is yes, beautiful way to start this season. I'm so excited. I'm pumped. I'm pumped. And so that that did what the trailer was trying to do, I think, which is to like excite me. And I'm glad they saved it for the actual episode because now I'm like, I can't wait to see how this turns out. This weekend is the premiere of Potomac. I can't wait. And I've seen it Lucky fool, and it is delivering. And I will say, it feels like Bravo has realized Potomac is that girl. Yes, And because they got new outfits for the like um intro, they it's leveled up, Like I can't tell you, Like, there's just a there's a quality to it. There's an awareness. There's an awareness. There's an awareness, and it's like it's almost like they've they've been like, okay, girls, you can be the girls now. But that's and I'm so glad they're finally getting rewarded because five out of seven of those women are original season one people, like the retention on that on that show is remarkable. For seven seasons, five of these women have stayed, is it? Is it? Karen, Giselle, Ashley, Robin, and um Are might just be four, it's four, and then Sharie is now and so that's five, and then there's obviously Wendy, Candice and Miya. And the only person who's like out completely is Monique correct. So yeah, yeah, So honestly, which is I think why some of these other franchises aren't feeling as successful anymore is because it feels like we either lost the core group or the core group lost it. I think in the case of New York, the core group lost it, whereas like, you know, and the core group is gone, and now it's just like are they friends? Like would these women ever hang out like I don't. I can't answer that. The Potomac, I'm like, the lines are clearly drawn, and it's fun to have those lines be completely like erased. To have Candice and Ashley team up this season is so exciting to me. These two women fucking hate each other truly. Yeah, every single one of the characters on the show starts off with a really strong storyline right away, like it's it's and I'm I mean across the board, like there's no one that After the first episode of Potomac, you're like, they're gonna have a week season. Everyone is set up for an incredibly strong season, I would say, especially Ashley, Like, like Ashley, it's about her and um, there's still so much places to go with that storyline, and there's so much discussion to be had about how she's handling it because it is not what you think. It's not a one to one like it's a divorce, Like it's complicated, and they're all going to have very interesting opinions on it. And Yeah, I'm just excited for you to see it. Because also I won't spoil anything, but one of the women has a very interesting connection with a character from another franchise, which is really good. This is all episode one. Wow. Yeah, so we can talk about it more next week or not. We have but but Potomacs giving and salt Like, salt Like and Potomac and at the same time that is supremacy were eating and hopefully the union of Beverly Hills would give. Yes, um I Wilson, I'm just manifesting this. Would love to have a Candice of Karen on the pod. It's very soon, yeah, I mean that would be fab And also another thing is we have to have Casey and Danielle on Oh my god. We keep saying, I just course Danielle, I just Dan with daniel I think we want to do it in like a month, So like when the when the Beverly Hills reunion is wrapping up, Slash Salt Lake and Potomac get going a little bit more, we'll have a perfect I love it before winter, love that, love that. Oh, I can't wait. This is I don't think so, honey. This is our segments we do every episode. It's our one minute rant on something that is really grinding our gears and pop culture. Matt, do you have something, um, you know what's funny? I was just I was just you know, when I watched a bunch of episodes of Last Night the Voice, and I was like looking for it. I don't think so honey in the voice, and I have to say, there's still no I don't think so honey about the voice except maybe too many country singers. But Kamia Cabello is giving. And you know what I noticed about Carson Daly, he really gets excited with the families when the when the people get the chair turned for them, He's like a little nerd. So I thought, maybe what I do it? I don't think so honey about the voice, but I won't and I'm gonna do the other thing. I had an idea. Thank you for letting us speak into that, because the voice is just good. Yeah. The flying undestions anyway, can't poke holes? Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many. As time starts down, I don't think so honey. The spelling of the word fusia, so fusia spelled like this, f you c h s H. I M already lost the threat. It's what is it? What is no? No? I don't know you f U s c H I M no so it's Fusha should be spelled like this, let's just just go with me. Future should be spelled like this. Fu s c h right, Future it should be spelled like that. It's spelled like this. Fux it's like few fuc h is a few, sort of like Florence pu pu g h. But but even that is more clear than fusha. I just feel like you're asking for kids to be traumatized in a spelling be by spelling this a ward like this, and that's cruelty and that's blaying. You're not thinking about the children, and we have to think about the children much more. I don't think the spelling of fusha. You're tripping up six graders everywhere, and this thirty two year old man, I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. This all him about because I was wearing a future suit to an event the other night. You look gorgeous at the I think the Equality Awards, you and Joel and Torreon, Oh my god, we're giving me a quality award, Visibility Awards, Sister Support. You guys all look so good. Thank you. Um, and you were there in spirit winning the award as well. Um. But anyway, I was like, wow, I wore fusha and I went to spell it, and it took me so long to find the correct spelling of fusha. And then I was like, what is the etymology of this one? Honey, like, yeah, what is it? Let's look it up. Let's look it up. Fusa okay. So now I'm seeing the spelling is f U C H S I A, which tell me twice? Okay, what's the langue? What's the language? Or fusa okay. Fusia colory fusia language origin. Fuchsia is a vivid, pinkish purplesh red color named after the color of the flower of the fuchsia plant, which was named by a French botanist, Charles Plumier after the sixteenth century German botanist Leonard Fuchs. Want some letters to use, No, this isn't helping. I need to German. It must be a German word because because it was named H S U C H s is not us but whatever. I have a serious problem with the spelling of this word, and it's it's such a shame because such a beautiful color color, people are afraid of it because of the spelling. I really do think so can I ask you a question. Was that suit Fusia? Yes, it was okay. Thanks for all the readers that don't know. I suffer with color blindness. It's actually a fact that when my Wikipedia a little bit legit though it's so funny, it was like personal life, Rogers is gay, having come out at n N y U, he is color blind. Um, it's something about me that you need to know. Oh, if you're gonna love me, you need to accept me. If you're gonna love me, you need to look. Is this a good song? Yes, if you want to love me, you need to accept me. I think there's something interesting about the interval interval of you need to it's me. It's it's the phrasing of you to acampt me. It's like, you want to love me? That is so true. Sometimes I can do. This is what makes me the opposite of Bjork. It's because I say the truth right alect she hides behind it. She actually doesn't, She actually doesn't. She's very honest. She she says the truth. Don't you ever accused the York of that ever? Again? I've learned my lesson. All right, are you ready to do you? I don't think so, honey, yeah, yeah, all right, this is Yang and this is who. I don't think so honey, and it's time starts now. I don't think so honey. The first visual from Renaissance being a Tiffany commercial. It's been two months. We need something besides that beautiful trailer for I'm that girl. I know that Beyonce loves to edge us and we love her. We love her for it, and she really can do no wrong. She cannot. She really cannot funk this up except I'm down for her, like taking long breaks in between projects, but when the project is out and for her to still do this when she teaches visuals, it's it's it's tough on me, it's testing my patients. And I will wait as long as I need to for her. Oh my god. I went on the Type under Land Beyonce boat. It was the best. It was excellent, and everyone on the Saturday one at least that I was on, just was with every single word and note and fantastic. The only non Beyonce song he played was do It by Holley and Chloe Chloe Alley and you know, um, but oh my god, please give us a music video something. Yeah, that's one minute and I will say that I do agree. I'm sort of hungry for it, and to see the Tiffany's commercial was hard. Um, but I I remained steadfast in my trust of her. I remained steadfast in my trust, and I'm loving that she's helping. You know, everyone in that commercial who's just en thing, living and up having a good time. She's getting They're all getting their bag for this. I hope, um from a fucking diamond company. They better be paying these fucking people. Um. But I I you know, I would really love to see a fun visual companion to heated or to church girl, you know, like the whole thing. They're coming. They're female, but I want it now, I know. Okay, So wait, as we're talking about this, do you know what I just realized that we didn't even bring up is the fact that Rihanna announced. God, I can't believe we haven't talked about this, but we've been so distracted by the other pop culture news items of the day. Like what was your immediate thought when you saw that photo of her on her Instagram holding the football? That image is so powerful because you know immediately you know what it means, what was going down isn't that crazy? I mean, there's like just the impact to understanding sort of not It's like it all lapses into one point. You're like, I know exactly what's going on, and I went, oh, I can't come soon enough? Do we go to fucking Arizona for this? See? Okay? So and before this, like peek behind the curtain, there had been a heavy rumor that the super Bowl was going to be performed by none other than Taylor Swift. That now that the Pepsi sort of sponsorship has been and the contract is ended on Pepsi music, So then everyone was saying, it's Taylor, it's Taylor, it's Tail And I can I can confirm that the talks, the talks were talking like it was maybe going to be Taylor. Wow. Yeah yeah, I will ask you about that in a minute. Not from I'm not hearing this from the Taylor camp themselves, obviously, because they would never tell me that. But I'm just I can say that I had heard through reliable source it was very close to happening, and then it will happen. It will happen. I think it's I think it's next year. I think I don't if they want to take a break between like pop girlies. I think that they usually try not to like have it be pop girle after pop girl like, even though that's all I would want, Like, I think it will be an extra maybe the year after, definitely within five um depending. But I had texted you and I was like, Taylor is going to do the super Bowl? Are we going to fucking Dale Arizona? But the thing is like, it's because we've seen Taylor so much and like Rihanna. But for Rihanna, I mean, like, who is to say that she might not announce this is the last performance she's ever doing, you know what I mean? Some people are like, it'll be the new album, It'll be the new album. I'm like, I don't think it will. I really don't think she has no actual reason to go back into music, no reason to go back into music, and also no reason to need the super Bowl to launch her back into music, you know what I mean. It's not like it's not like she needs this to like remind us why Rihanna. We've all been I don't think we've did over someone to come back like this and a really long time. But she's not. I mean, there was rumors that she had music, and then and then like there was rumors she fully did not. And I don't think anyone can say definitively what's going on with that. But she is doing the super Bowl, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get no new songs that's entirely the greatest hits, because guess what that would be fine? Like that would be a fun show. You're singing along to every goddamn word, And what would be your highlights? What would be your most anticipated songs to see at Rihanna super Bowl? Pour it up? Definitely, I don't think, but she won't. But I want to start, Okay, So do you start or end with we Found Love? I think I think you. I think she ends with fucking like Umbrella. I think you start with umbrella and end what we found Love? Interesting? I think um and she ends with she ends with cake Eat Cake. I think I think I think she ends with I want to fucking right now. All it ends with, It ends with this is how it ends. She does all her numbers. Then there is a minute of darkness, and there's a minute of darkness. You hear the crowds, and then you just see a single. What you see on stage is just like a soft pink lighting starts to come up, and basically you then realize we're getting into you're getting into we're getting into ballad territory, and you just hear this, Oh my god, yes, chest but knows to know. Oh, it's just that close, et cetera. Until and the crowd is going, they're literally on their feet because it's the greatest song of all time, California King Bed. If she closes with California King Bed after a one minute sort of like a moment of silence that would heal society. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? We need a sound board just so we can go in this your kid, it sounds like we don't need the sound parts, und like you just you just belt it and whatever you want and we will all not along and go go off. Well, we have to get the end. Come on, okay, hold on of the of the chorus. That's what I mean. That a song. I'm actually not done with this episode. Wait, okay, so I want, I want, I want uh oh Nan, what's my Name? One of my favorite songs of all time? But don't but really, if there is a ballad she'll probably sing like stay, she'll sing stay um diamonds if we're counted in a ballad getting performed, for sure, that might even be last diamonds or first she'll do work um sex with me. I hope she just sex with me. I want the whole I want the whole stadium. I want Donald Trump watching it from Marrow, Laga going five fingers, I want I want all the America things, sucks with me together, sex with me so truly a super Bowl I mean that you cannot make the set list because there's too much good stuff. It's true. Remember when Harry Person did that Rihanna sing along at the pit that was that was maybe the best one because I was talking to Henry afterwards and he was like he really really don't always remember that, Like she has the songs. Yeah, there's so many fucking hits. Do you know what I think is actually going to happen at the very beginning of the Super Bowl? I still think we're gonna end on California king back. But basically, like I think what happens at the super Bowl is like the lights go down. Everyone knows it's going to start at the halftime show, and you hear the crowd, and then you just see a man in a fedora sort of walk out to the middle of the stage, and then a spotlight hits him and he has to freeze. And then you see Rihanna in a red dress and you just hear that us and she walks to him. Everything falls out and she holds a pose and then she lifts the mic up to her lips and she goes story in My Life, right, and then everyone's screaming. Everyone's on their feet, screaming, like because it's Unfaithful at the super Bowl. The fucking song on It's Unfaithful. Yeah, it's a screamer. The show is bookended by Unfaithful in California, came back my God, period period. Okay, well, I'm looking forward to that one. Looking forward to that one. I mean, look, we're looking if anyone can host us in Glendale. Let us know. I'm sorry not to pople on Arizona, but um whatever, whatever, I would do it, I would do it for Brianna. We should go stay with our ex producer, Megan McCain. Yeah, I'll talk to Meg, Hot hot girl Meg Meg. All right, Well, this has been a truly action packed jam packed, content packed, honesty Zone esque episode of Last Cultures Those Culture catch up absolutely let's I always love these I love I love doing them with you, my friend. This is sisters support, This is my dearest right here that I'm pointing out, and um, we end every episode with the song story I wear my life all right, but it keeps the bund to me time meaning that's a company. This guy a log again to know that he knows the all thing. The guy die. I don't want to do that. I don't want to meet reason why someone died. Ready, bore, let her do this lining Ready, I don't want to be met. I met her for more of that. Like a Girl Like Me by Rihanna, The Best Round album Bye