NYC Democratic Socialists of America chairman Gustavo Gordillo sat down with Martha MacCallum on Fox News, and it did not go well for him. We break down his dodgy answers on whether the DSA wants to abolish the US Senate (their platform says yes), his defense of government-run utilities using New York's failed wind farm projects as evidence, his claim that his own immigrant success story is "the exception," and his stunning assertion that no one has a constitutional right to a return on investment. We also dig into the DSA's actual platform — eliminating the Senate and Electoral College, ending deportations, defunding the Pentagon, and a wealth tax — and his claim that American "imperialism" is why his family fled Peru.

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