Matt and Billy recap the Cats' 74-69 loss at Vanderbilt.
Welcome everyone. It is the local Toy Dealers KSR post game show. I am Matt Jones. The Cats lose in Nashville seventy four sixty nine against Vanderbilt in a disappointing loss, as the team puts forth thirty minutes of probably the worst basketball it's played all year, mixed in with ten minutes of being really good, but it wasn't enough to get the win on the road. You can give us a shout, obviously, love to hear from you here on a Saturday night. Eight five to nine, two to eight, zero twenty two eighty seven will probably go until maybe just right at seven or a few minutes before you know it was. The first half was I thought, the worst Kentucky's played all year, and maybe the I mean certainly the worst performance we've seen from a Mark Pope team. A lot of things went wrong in the first half. Pretty much everything went wrong. Honestly, I thought the execution was poor, the defense was poor, but the effort was just awful. The worst effort I've seen from Kentucky, not only this year but in a while. I mean, it just looked like guys were not hustling. They were just kind of standing around all the fifty to fifty balls went to Vanderbilt and the Cats were down fourteen, and you know, we've learned that you can't sort of say these games are over with the way Kentucky can score. But it didn't look good. Then in the second half, you know, the first eleven minutes. In the second half, Kentucky was great. I mean, it's like we've seen in these handful of runs against Florida and against Gonzaga, Agains, Mississippi State and even some in the Alabama game, like they just they hit on all cylinders. A lot of guys made shots. O Way was really good. All minor hit threes. Brea and Jackson Robinson helped make some plays. I thought they were excellent. And they went from down fourteen to up seven, and you know, at up seven, that's a game at that point that you need to win, Like that's a game where you have really done what you're supposed to do to get a victory and now you need to win the game. And I think at that point was it was it sixty eight sixty one? Am I right about that? Was that the score when they were up seven. I'll have to look it up. But they at that moment, Kentucky was in excellent, excellent shape and felt like they were headed towards getting the big excuse me, fifty eight fifty one. They were at fifty eight to fifty one, and then back to back three's by Vandy. I mean, you know, we can focus a lot and we will talk a lot about what happened at the end with the execution, but I thought those were the biggest shots of the games. Fifty eight to fifty one. You score, crowds going crazy. They come down and one of their bigs, number ninety nine hits a three and at to four and they call time out, and you know, if they missed that shot and we get the ball, I think they're in trouble. They make it come down, we take I think Jackson Robinson takes a long tu you know what I feel about those shots misses. It was contested as well. And then they come down and hit another three, and so now you're in a one position game. And it basically stayed like that until the Lamont Butler turnover at the end and you let them back in the game. You had them at fifty eight to fifty one. Put everything else aside. Put the terrible first half aside. Put the you know, the mistakes, the bad defense, the lack of hustle. You're up seven, you know, seven minutes to go, you're gonna win. You can win this game. You should win this game. And then it's a one possession game. Still though, next few minutes Away makes some plays. They kind of give go back and forth with baskets. Almonor hits the three I think at one point at the corner after we fell down one to give us the lead again by two, but they just couldn't get a stop. And you know, then the execution in the last three minutes was just terrible. I don't know what you know Butler was. This is two straight games where Butler has been really, really bad. I mean, he was really bad in the Alabama game. I think Kentucky wins that game if he even plays average. Probably same thing tonight. Six turnovers, you know, the dribble. You know, we're down one, he has the ball and just loses it. Uh, that was bad. And then what what what was he doing Billy with the trying to force Ansley Almondor the ball at the top of the key. I you know, he tries to force it in, gets knocked away, then gets it and tries to force it in again.
I think it was a Mari but.
Excuse me and Mari. And by the way, I thought that Mari was not good. Those were the two guys I think really cost Kentucky tonight where Butler and Amari. I still don't I still understand what Amari does on defense when he doesn't like contest shots. I mean, I don't get it, you know at this point, and Mark Pope kind of seemed to suggest this in the last week. Maybe that's what they coach him to do. There was a huge play, huge play, were up one and guy drives the basket and he like jumps but doesn't raise his arms, and I like, I don't get it. And poor guy, he has hands of stone. You know, if you go get if you take your baby to meet the team, Billy, don't hand them to marry because I mean, I mean, he just well, I'm just saying he'd like he had that one rebound. So sixty eight sixty four, actually I said Robinson missed along too. Actually at sixty eight sixty four, Butler did a pump fake under the basket. He got under the rim looked like he was gonna finish. He missed it, but it fell right into a Maury's hands. He'd had an open dunk and Billy he just dropped it out of bounds.
Yeah, it is puzz with that guy.
He he baffles me. I'm not sure there's ever been a Kentucky player that baffles me more. I mean, his numbers suggest that he's not just a good rebounder, that he's an elite rebounder, like he's like second in the country in rebounding stats. And yet when I watch him, I feel like he misses so many rebounds. And you know, on the play where he got hit in the head like he does, he's got a dunk and then Steady pumps fakes and he gets hit in the back of the head. And he just perplexes me as a player. He really does. You know, on the one play where the guy drives and he doesn't jump, he gives up a layup. Then the next play he gets a huge block and you go, well, what it just he doesn't make sense to me. And Butler just had two games in a row. He keeps playing with his left shoulder, which makes me think maybe that's bothering him. I mean, I think clearly it is bothering. I don't know if that's having an effect on how he plays, but I thought those two guys just did not play well. And then you throw in we don't have Car, And if you listen to Pope after the game, he didn't say Car is out for a bit, but he kind of it kind of sounded like it, and he said he didn't think he had done right by Car, maybe suggesting that he brought him back too soon or you know, that's gonna be tough. I mean, Almonor played well tonight. I thought Amanor filled him pretty well for him, but that that'll be a that'll be a bad loss in part on defense, but also just as a scoring option, because while Almonor is really has become a really good three point shooter, he has not shown the ability yet like Car does, to be able to score inside. And I think they really, I think they missed that when they don't have him. You know, a couple of highlights. Obviously, Oway had that stretch that was really really good. He kind of looked like a leader getting to the basket. You know, he had a big turn over there at the end, as well though. But but and he missed a three that I think if Oway hits that three, we win the game. It was what sixty I don't know, sixty five, sixty four, whatever, And he gets he shoots, We're up one and he has a three. I think if he hits it, we win. I saw some people online didn't like that he took the shot. I was fine with it. I mean, one of my overall points on offense. We've got to shoot more threes, Like we are not good at going to the basket. Yet I feel like we tried a lot, whereas we are a good three point shooting team. Fire it. You know, Vanny took nine more threes than we did. How's that possible? Like we should we should be leading unless we play Alabama. We should be leading every game in three point attempts. And we still, I mean, we still take it to the basket. And honestly, with the exception of O Way, I'm not sure any of our guys are really good at finishing at the rim, but we just we insist on it. And I want to see. So I was fine with that O Way three because I want those guys shooting more. That's their strength. But he misses it. I thought Trent Noah played really well. I did. I thought there was a period in the first half where I felt like he was the only dude on the team going after loose balls and not being scared of contact. One of the frustrating things when I played high school basketball, Billy, my friends would sometimes give me a hard time and call me he wasn't a good nickname to have as a basketball player. They would call me Feathers. Oh, feather would feathers because I would shoot like a high arching and they always were talking about how I wanted to avoid contact, and honestly, they were probably right. I would try to feather the ball in right. I felt like a lot of our guys were being Feathers tonight, especially in the first half, except Trent Noah. He didn't seem to mind contact, and he would throw himself in there. And this was a game where the rest were just letting them play, and he went out there and and did a great job at sort of playing to the contact. I didn't I understand at the end when they substituted him him in on defense on that play. I don't really know why they did that. He's a freshman and like you know, and he got taken to the basket and I don't know what that was, but that's not his fault. He was in the game. He did the best he could. But I thought he played really well in the minutes that he played and really gave an effort when the rest of the team was not. So it's a disappointing loss. And why it's disappointing is more of a big picture thing. We're three and three in the conference. We play at Tennessee on Tuesday. We can't assume we're gonna win that game. I mean, now, we've had these road trips where we lose the first one that we should win and then win the second one. We did it with Clemson and then Gonzaga. We did it with Georgia and Mississippi State. So maybe we go down to Knoxville and get a victory. I'm not gonna predict that. I think Tennessee is, for many reasons, a really hard matchup for us, maybe the worst matchup for us in the SEC. So you could be three and four, John Caliperry and Arkansas come into town and you, I mean, you want to look up must win in the dictionary that would be there, but just bigger picture. You know, you sit there and you look at the schedule and you go, okay, where are these wins coming from? Right? I mean you I think you know the NCAA tournament, we have what we have fourteen wins right now, we're fourteen and five. I think in this SEC we're probably in with eighteen wins, certainly nineteen, but probably eighteen. But you sit there and you go, okay, well, where are these obvious wins. We play LSU at home, right, I'll give us that one. Right, we play South Carolina home, all right, I'll give us that one. We played Vandy at home. I know we lost tonight. I don't think we're losing to them at home, all right, So you get that one. But there's probably not another game on the schedule that you would say, Okay, well, we're definitely winning that one. So I mean, we gotta go get some wins. We gotta go on the road and get some wins. I mean, right now, we're in tenth place in the SEC. Right We're we're what a third of a way of the way through the schedule six games, and we're in tenth place in the SEC. If the tournament started today, we'd be playing on Wednesday. Now I think we're better than that. We're gonna have to go win these games. We still have four games left to play against Tennessee, Alabama and Hauburd, three teams that are great. We still gotta go to Oklahoma and to Texas and to Missouri and it's got a host old miss and we still gotta play col You know this is this is not like gimme territory, So I think you know this game. My expectations got a little bit checked when we lost to uh when we lost to Georgia, because I felt like, look, if you're gonna have a chance to contend in the SC, you gotta win this one, and we lost it. They probably get further checked tonight. Okay, so we're not gonna win the SEC. I think it's gonna be an uphill struggle to come in the top four of the SEC. We still can, but I think it's gonna be a struggle. I think you had to win at least one of these Georgia and Vandy games to do that. So now it's like, well, you got to come in the top eight. We don't want to play on Wednesday. We got at least play on Thursday. And we also want to have a seed in the NCAA tournament where you can do something right. You know. I actually think of four or five six is not a bad seed. That's a seed where you can still make noise. When you get down to eight, nine, that becomes a lot more difficult, and we gotta make sure we avoid that. I'm concerned because we're I don't think Carol will play again this year. Carr may be out for a little bit. I I mean, I don't want to think about the Arkansas game, but I think car is important for the matchups in that Arkansas game, and so we may not have him. You know, I'm not I still think this team, this team at its peak, is as good as anybody, which is why the NCAA tournament's gonna be so weird. There's not gonna be one team in that NCAA tournament, Billy, that I don't think Kentucky can beat, you know what I mean. There's not gonna be one team I don't think they can beat, but there probably are gonna be that many teams that I don't.
Think can beat us in the first round.
No you're exactly right, Like, we could play the overall number one seed in the final four and I would think we got a really good shot to win. I also think we could play a one seed against any team seeded thirteenth and up and they can beat us. So you know, just gonna have to be along for the ride. I'll finish with this. I think defensively, we are what we are. We actually held Vandy to seventy four. That should be enough to win. We did. We've lost, by the way, in every game we've lost outside of up, we've scored under seventy. We're not beating anybody in the sixties nobody. So really, our offense is how we win or lose games. What disappointed me tonight was the effort for thirty of the forty minutes. I thought for ten minutes we no only had great effort, we had great execution, we looked amazing, But in the first twenty minutes and really the last eight, I thought our effort was just poor. And for a team like this, where execution and cristness and teamwork is how you succeed, we don't have individual superstars, so it's got to be a team, collective effort. You have to have effort. If dudes like this don't play with effort, we look like a high school team. And for about the last eight minutes of the first half, we kind of looked like a high school team. You can't do that. We cannot do that, and we haven't gone much this year, so I'm not like worried about it, But tonight, the effort for about thirty minutes of the forty minutes was really really poor. Eight five to nine two eight h twenty two eighty seven. If you listen to Pope's postgame comments, he sounded pretty down trodden on it. I think he was. I think that's his version of being angry tonight, Billy. You know, like he said say much. His sentences were short, he was I wanna say he was terse, but he didn't go very long. That was I think the closest I've seen too angry Pope. And I can see why, because I it was a disappointing effort. All right, we'll take your calls. Eight five nine to two eight oh twenty two eighty seven. We'll take a break. Be right back. It is the uh uh local Toyota deer. Look at these people are like, give me a hard time. One of my friends listening to called me feathers. That wasn't very nice. He's surprised, I said on the radio, this is true.
Oh I'll call you feathers for the rest of my life.
I think it's only when I try to feather the ball in, which is what we were trying to do tonight. This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Post game show. Worker back. It is the Local twenty Dealers KSR postgame Show. A nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven. Shout out to eight year old Bo who texted the text machine Billy and asked what I thought of the game? Eight years old on the text machine. That's a good uk faate right there. Incredible? How about that? One person writes Matt. I stopped watching the game as soon as they banked in that three. I knew what was gonna happen. I can't. I mean, we have to like, we have to lead the country and banked in three. I think I don't know did they bank in a three against Clemson, because I know they banked in a three at Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and now this one. I can't remember if they banked in a three at Clemson, but I kind of think they did. We I mean every loss this year, they've hit a banked in three.
I'm sitting with that easy.
I don't think there's been. I bet you if you look at our history, there are very few seasons we have four banked in threes against US, and we've had four in the four of the five losses. I can't remember if there was one against Clemson, but I for some reason in my head I think there might have been. But I know there was one against Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, and tonight. I mean, banked in threes are the worst. That means you missed it so badly it went in.
There also wasn't a foul called for the first twelve minutes of the game.
See, I like that, you know, I saw people complaining on that one that that Amari got pulled that people say got pulled down. But the thing is, I'm glad. I mean they didn't call it because they didn't call stuff like that the whole game. So I don't know how people expected them to after a whole game of not calling fouls to then call that one. Right, you just gotta be tougher. This team is not tough. They are soft. Now. Part of that is because they're a jump shooting team, so it's okay, but like, you gotta be tougher. All these guys really except Oway, are not and even Oway avoids contact sometimes. But you know, I think Oways tough. A lot of these other dudes. Man, they just don't like to be hit, any of them. They avoid contact so much. And I mean, obviously, the final telling thing was on that free throw at the end. We got four guys down there and they'd even move and the Vandi the guy gets it, and even though we ended up getting the ball, it's like, how did you all not move? They didn't move any of them. So it is what it is. Who's up first? Jason? Jason? What's up? Jason doing well? Man?
Greetings from bethlen, Pennsylvania, A good friend of Heather from Pikeville. Yeah, this game in general, Mari Williams has to be the most frustrating individual I've watched in a long time. Dude has hands. Remember Marvin Stone, Marble Stone had terrible hands, and Mary Williams might be worse than Marvin Stone. That I don't get. How the guy just can't hold onto the basketball.
Hands he is. I texted this to Drew during the game, and I you know, he does some things really well, so I'm not And obviously I'm missing something because his numbers on rebounding are like through the roof. But I agree with you. He may be the most frustrating player I can remember in a long time, because I'm like, what, just look and go, what are you doing? It's it's amazing to me because he's a great athlete, but like you're right, man, in the hands, I feel like we drop a lot. I mean, I think we all ought none of our guys have great hands, but he particularly sticks out.
Yeah, no doubt. And as far as like fifty fifty balls, we have to be the absolute worst team in the NCAA about picking up fifty to fifty balls, loose balls, anything. We just can't come up with him.
I can't.
And there was a bank three in the Clemson game.
Serve see look at that five of them. I appreciate the call. How is that possible that they're five? I mean, should we just stop watching when someone banks in a three? That's it?
Yeah, end of the game right there.
It's unbelievable. And he's right about the loose balls. I mean, we get no loose well I don't say no, but we don't get nearly if they're fifty to fifty, but we lose like eighty to twenty on loose balls. Part of it is just again hustle, we reach, We don't go get. These guys reach, they don't go get, you know, they reach, they don't die, and that call and that's and the other teams do and they get them. Who's next, Matt, Matt, go ahead, Matt.
This is Matt from brig Kentucky and uh my dad, Channon and I we just have a huge, you know, love for the UK basketball and everything you guys do. But the three pointer is what wins games. And what we kind of want to know on your all's in and everybody's in, is like, how do we defend that? Because we have to stop the three, not just against Vandy Sneider whoever we played against, but the whole season, especially INTAA tournament. I mean, we have to defend the three because that's what wins game.
All right, So first of all, I appreciate you listen, that's a I think that's a great point. I mean we took twenty three threes. They took thirty three. So one of the things is appreciate the call. If they're gonna take ten more than you, you're gonna lose because we hit nine, they hit twelve. We shot from three thirty nine percent. If we took thirty three, we hit thirteen, and all of a sudden, take those free throws away at the end we no, I mean no, we hit thirteen. We win, Like we just don't take enough of them. Now, as far as how to defend them, there are teams we play where I understand why we give them the three. I don't understand why we give Vandy the three. Make Vandy beat us off the bounce, you know what I mean, Billy, I want to make them beat us off the bounds. I want to make them beat us at the rim. Don't let them. Pope said after the game that like they were worried about getting beat off the mounts, and so they gave up some big man threes and they made five of them. You know what, make them beat us? I know they will some, but the last time I checked, two is less than three, and I just in the first half some of those threes were Our guys just gave him so much space. You remember one A Mari was ten feet from him. Yeah.
Well, part of that I think was such an emphasis on, you know, defending without fouling. I think Jackson Robinson said afterwards that they were timid to start the game, but fair enough.
But like after they haven't called a foul in four minutes. Foul them, right, They didn't call foul for the first nine minutes of the game, twelve twelve minutes of the game, so foul, you know, I mean, like they're not calling anything foul. You know, Travis Perry came in there, poor guy, but like I get, he's not good at I mean, he's a first of all, I think is gonna be a good player, but he's not a great defender. But he gave him so much space, and that dude hits a three. It's like, Travis, if you're gonna get beat off the dribble anyway, don't give him four feet of space at the three point line. You know, you saw what Vandy did to us. They got out on us like Georgia did, and they started defending us outside half court to try to create steals. I'd liked us to see us do some of that cause right now, man, we give him space and then we still get beat off the dribble, So it's tough. Who's next, Tim, Tim, what's up? Tim? But with that said, by the way, on defense, I don't think we did played great defense, but they only scored seventy four points and that should have been enough to win. Seventy four is a number. If you told me before the game we hold him to seventy four, I'd have taken it. Tim, Go ahead, Tim.
Me too, Me too.
Matt Jones, This is Tim C. Tuck from phill Fark, Kentucky. First off, shout out Matt and Billy. You guys in the words of the Greatest America. Ya are some great Kentucky.
You know.
I just wanted to call in and say that was everybody is. You know, a lot of people are frustrated, as they should be. But the thing that I blows my mind is kind of just like where we're at in the country. I guess, like nobody everybody's calling in about the players and the and everybody's asking questions about the you know, the rest and things. But like if your first question as a media member is not okay. So Mark Pope, you put Trent Noah in in the second half with two minutes left in the second half, and and how what was your thinking there? And you know, and also the thing I don't understand is the game the way it was bandaged? Why why is there not questions about that? Like I love Mark Polk, I am so happy he's our coach. But at the same time, like we're allowed to ask this is the University of Kentucky, like that was the one of the weirdest. It looks like a game.
I don't know how. Second, because I want to give you a chance. I want to give you a chance to uh to respond. I think you make though a very good point, which is we're in this weird place in society where do you either have to love the person or not like them at all, and you can't go I like you, but I have some questions, right, like we don't you're not allowed to do that, like just think about it, Like you're not allowed to just go, eh, what about this? I did. I'm with you. I did not understand. And I hate to say this because I thought Trent played really well. I didn't understand the decision for it for a defensive play to put Trent in. But at the end of the first half, if you go back and look at the end of the first half, we had bizarre lineups in there. I mean there we had like lineups. At one point we had Colin Chandler, Noah Braya Almanor and uh and Butler. And I was like, what is what is this line up? I mean, these dudes have probably never even played together in practice. So I listen, maybe Colin Chandler will be good here one day. I hope he is. I don't think he can play right now. In the SEC and we put him in for two different runs and I don't know who his plus minus was, but I don't think it was very good. So I'm I'm with you. There was some weird lineup stuff to me tonight.
And and and and thank you for saying that, Like I you just summarized, like I just I only know I have short times, So those are exactly what I was wanting to ask too about it, along with we just apparently abandoned the whole point guard position today. That was another question I would love to hear Mark posts answer to, like, Okay, so we're just we're gonna take Butler out and we're just not gonna play a punt point a point guard. But I know, Butler, I mean, but.
I was okay with that. I was okay with that because that that was when we made our run. Honestly, we made our run well point yeah, I mean, you know, I appreciate it. Call we made our run from. I don't mean to cut you off, but I but I think you make good points. We made our run from down three to up seven, I believe with Butler on the bitch when it was Oway, I think it was Oway, Robinson, Oway, Robinson, Braa, Almanor Garrison maybe or almanor Williams. Like that was kind of when we made a run. He's right though, at the end of the first half, I mean, I'm not gonna go back and watch it because it was so bad those last eight minutes of the first half, Billy, it looked like a high school.
Game, twenty to four run by Vandy at the end of the first time, I didn't understand.
I mean, we were just kind of running up and down the court. It looked like for eight minutes, that's the worst we've looked. That's the worst we've looked all year. I don't know what we were doing those last eight minutes in the first half. But the thing is we still came back. We had a seven point lead, like you gotta win at that point. Who's next, Dave? Dave? Go ahead, Dave?
How you doing? Mat Jones?
Good? How you doing, Dave?
I'm doing great. They were just a little disappointed we lost. But you know what, I can't believe people. Nobody says something and valuable Andrew Carr was. Does he must missing in a zoom action on the five and the four outside and spread it and throw it to the month. That was some he was. Really we missed him a lot tonight.
I agree with you. Here's the good thing about one of the things we forget about car and I'm guilty of this too. You mentioned that about the zoom action. This team really struggles to get easy baskets, you know what I mean, Like all of our baskets are jump shots. We struggle to get easy baskets. And Andrew Carr gets us three or four easy baskets again, and we didn't. We didn't have those tonight. There's probably four times that he gets a little up and under or like you said, little zoom action, he like gets a little pet, you know, he head fakes, gets fouled, makes the free throws, he gets like, he gets us like eight points a game easy, and we just don't. He's like the only one who can get easy points.
What I'm saying, Matt, I just can't believe the BBN and and talking. Because they were smart, they knew this. We'd have won that game. He's been there. Not one hundred pcent agree with the I think we have won thousand thousand months.
Yeah, I appreciate the call that man, that's probably true, but we didn't have him, and we still should have won. You know. By the way, uh Vandy, you know, they stormed the court against Tennessee cost Hi two hundred and fifty thousand dollars by sec rule. The court storm tonight I think cost him like four hundred thousand. And it wasn't even that many kids. You know, I don't know if you saw they were desperately trying to keep them off.
I saw, yeah, they were. The security guards were lining up.
Four hundred thousand dollars a lot of money with this twenty two million dollar rev share coming. I mean, all these schools like are having to add twenty two million dollars to their budget. You know, four hundred thousand that court storm may have cost like one or two people their jobs. Well like that, I mean, I'm not kidding, Like that's a lot when you just court stormed earlier this week. Who's next?
Moffatt, moffat, go ahead, Moffatt, Hey.
Matt all right.
So just like, oh, y'all, I did not really enjoy watching that game. You know, it was rough to watch. But I got to think back to earlier this year when Mark Pope got hired, and I was one of the people was like, what the heck is going on?
Mark Pope?
What?
We've come a long way since then.
I know we've got a couple, you know, bumps in the road.
But I don't think when I compare how I feel to this loss compared to the Oakland or Saint Peter's loss, it's nowhere near the same. Let's keep our heads up, Mark Pope. I think he's a great coach. He's gonna make adjustments. You know, I want to talk about the last coach, but I couldn't at let's say, but I couldn't, you know, I wouldn't say that about the last coach. I've got hope for this team. Let's just think back to where we were when he first got hired to where we are right now. We probably won't be in the top ten after this game.
I'm with you, like there's a difference between I appreciate the call. Big picture, I'm still very happy with Mark Popa. I still think he's he's exactly what the program needs. I still think he's gonna long term be very, very successful. You know, none of this has anything to do with long term. This is just this season, right. I mean honestly, if you had told me when the season started, if I had to look at that schedule and say what would be the record for Kentucky after that game at Vandy, Billy, I probably would have been like, all right, fourteen and five. I'm good, you know what I mean? Right? The weird thing is just who we're losing to versus who were beating like we beat the game. Like. I didn't think we were gonna win against Duke. I didn't think we were gonna win against Gonzaga, you know I didn't, But I thought we'd win at Georgia. I didn't think we'd win at Mississippi State, but we did. I thought we were gonna win today. It's just like it hasn't been. The games haven't played out. The record is probably about what we The record might even be a little better than I thought. I thought we were gonna be like twenty and eleven this year, and that may be where we end up. It's just been a weird path. It's just a weird path. But like overall this team, I still am a huge Mark Pope fan. I think what's correct is something that you know, I said a lot this year that a lot of people didn't love. We just don't have a great player. Jackson Romins is really good, always a really good athlete. We still have a great player, and it's hard to win when you don't have a great player. We still have one. Unfortunately, he if I'm nine to two, eight oh twenty two eighty seven, We're gonna take a break. Come back. It's a local Twitter Dealer's KSR postgame show. Back. It is a local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show. Duke is playing wake Forest. They're up fifty one forty seven with four minutes ago at wake Forest. You know it's the kind of game when you're a really good team, you gotta win. You're not playing well, you're on the road, you're playing a team that's good but not great. Duke looks like they may win it. We did not. What are you complaining about about the Duke game, Billy?
It's like green like they need to white balance their cameras. Matt, this is broadcasting one on one, So maybe call somebody up at ESPN.
Please, Man, I didn't really see it online. Are you sure it's not just your television?
No, I'm not sure because I've only watched one TV. I do have it written down here that Duke would be undefeated in conference play.
I told you they're going twenty and.
Ohe oh, we'll see.
I mean, and this was the g This was probably this in the at North Carolina. Remember what was the bet we made one and a half? Was that? Who I bet someone that was that? It wasn't me. I bet someone that I said that. Oh no, no, if somebody heard me and then wrote and said they wanted to bet me. I don't think they're gonna lose a conference game because the sc too bad and they already beat Louisville. It was five hundred thousand dollars that Mandy is gonna be fined and the ad Candice Lee apparently went to the students section during that review, you know, at the end, and they were looking to see and beg the students not not to storm the court. There's a picture of her. She was like, I want to use this money for NIL. Please don't storm the court. And then they did it anyway.
Wow, that's funny. I gotta see that picture.
Yeah, there's a picture of her like going, please don't go there it is and they her in prayer. She's literally in prayer, please don't do it, and then they did it anyway. See I told I mean, that's not a small amount of money, five hundred thousand dollars, it's a lot of money. Yes, she's literally she has her hands in prayer, going please don't storm the court, and then they did. All right, if I'm not eighty seven, who's next, Mike, Mike, go ahead, Mike, Matt.
I like it, but I have some questions. No, Gay, I do enjoy your postgame analysis, that always, but I want to push back on your occasional pushback when people talk about the negative effects of NIL and I'm a retired lawyer. You're absolutely right, it's legal. It's just it's here to stay. There's no point complaining about it. It's just the way it is now. So I'm not arguing about that. But you've often asked do you see any reduced effort by players who are making a lot of money? And you look, you have look to the pros, and then you look at our own team, which displays great effort a lot of times. But then you have games like tonight where you are the first person to observe there are many effort.
But I would argue with you, but I would go back. I could go back ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, when they weren't being paid, and there were games where we didn't play with effort. You know the COVID, yeahar, one of my problems with that team was that that team often really didn't play with one hundred percent effort. Well, they weren't being paid at least, you know, from nil. So I mean, I think it's easy to then say I think there are always teams that struggle with effort. It's easy though, to go well it's cause of nil. I mean, there's high school teams out there that don't play with effort. Like effort I don't think is related to money for ninety five percent of these guys or more.
We just we don't know these We don't know, we don't we don't know.
I don't know enough to argue with you. That's point is that when people bring it up as a suggestion, I think the correct answer is, well, we really don't know.
But I would say to you, if you're gonna say, if you're gonna say this is just my general overall argument about if you're gonna be accusatory to people. You're a lawyer, You know this. If you're gonna say a kid is not playing with effort because he's getting money, you need some price. You need to say, some proof of that. You can't just say it. You have to You have to show the kid, the kid at Indiana, the kid at Indiana Diallo who's like going out to bars before the games and like bought this crazy car and all this stuff. If you want to say this kid got two million, put on weight, et cetera, like, Okay, I still don't know if I would say that, but at least you have something to point to. We don't really have anything to point to, and I don't like when people just say that in the abstract.
No, I'm throwing it out there as a possibility. I don't think that I have absolutely no evidence. You're completely right about that. I'm just saying that when people are skeptical that this might be a situate that kind of.
Yeah, it's a fair that's fair, That's totally fair. But I would also say to you that Ohio State just won the national championship in football and had more Nile than any team in the country. So if they didn't care, would they have won the national championship? Right? So I mean it's yeah, all right, Well, I appreciate the call. It's a fair point. Maybe I shouldn't be as dismissive. I just we have a tendency sometimes to say, like I really and I've been like this in again. I don't like when kids are playing bad and we then make it like a reflection on their character. It's like, take Mari Williams. He frustrates me a lot. I said that he frustrates me as much as any player I can remember. But I've heard nothing but an anyone say anything but that he's a great kid. You can be a terrible basketball player and a wonderful human being, you know, Billy, Hopefully you and I are like that because we both stink at basketball. I'm assuming you do and hopefully we can. Hopefully we're good people, right, So, I just don't like when people use poor play to then reflect on their character. That's my reasoning for when I push back on that. Who's next, branch? Branch? Go ahead?
Hey man, how are you good? Let me ask you this about Mark Pope. Here's my question about him, is a lot of our frustrations in recent years have been built around the same things beating us every single game.
Yeah, and obviously.
The things that are beating us are different now. But as smart as Mark Cope is and as good as his offense sets are, it's crazy to me that he can't figure out a Mario Williams putting his hand up, you know, defensive effort, effort on the glass, all of those things, you know.
Well, yes, I think I understand what you're saying. I will say this about effort. I don't know how you make somebody go after a fifty to fifty ball, you know what I mean? Like, on some level, the kid just has to do it right. I'm sure Mark Pope says, go get that ball right there. On some level, I feel like, I mean, I feel like coaches. You know, maybe he coaches Amari not to put his hands up. That would surprise me. And if he does, I would say that's fair to question. But some of it is like, I know, he doesn't coach Amari to drop the ball and it just go off his hands out of bounds. Like on some level, I don't know, man, Like what else is he supposed to do?
Yeah, for sure, I guess I'm not saying I think he coaches him that way. But and I'm definitely not saying he should have the attitude of the last guy we had. But Hope himself, I guess, doesn't really seem like a super tough physical guy.
Oh wait, then you don't remember you don't remember him playing, Like how old are you? Uh?
Twenty seven?
So yeah, I mean when he played, he was the most physical dude on that team. I mean, if you go back to the ninety sixteen, I appreciate the call like they were uber talented, but you had a lot of these uber athletes and then there were two dudes who were like physical. Knock you guys, Mark Pope and Anthony Epps. Those were the two dudes that were physical, and then they had all his talent everywhere around it. So yeah, I wouldn't say that now he plays a system that doesn't emphasize physicality. They're they're a shooting technique system. So maybe that's something he's going to have to improve on, is getting his guys to be physic. Somebody sent me a message on the text machine that I thought was an interesting point. He said, Mark's used to playing in the Big Twelve, which is a much more finesse league, or it has been much higher scoring, and maybe he's gonna have to adjust his system to a league that's a lot more physical because the SEC has always even when it hasn't been talented, it's always been physical. It's an interesting point, Billy. Maybe that will be what he has to do.
Yeah, and maybe Amari Williams is used to playing in his conference and when it comes to the SEC, it's a little different, not being it.
May be, but that's an interesting point. I mean, he's used in the Big Twelve. There were a lot of teams that put up points, get up and down the court, maybe Mark's gonna have to get a little bit of an adjustment to get because like, even the worst team in the SEC has great athletes. Right, we might be the least athletic team in the SEC. Now we're one of the most talented, I think, but we might be the least athletic and that might be something that has to change. But he's also bringing in three recruits next year that are all great athletes. So like, you gotta do I do think you have to give him time to go get those guys. Who's next, stub stub? What's up?
Hey, Matt? So people are he talked about the Mariy Williams and he was too. He was two time defensive player of the Year at Drexel. And I know people will say that's the A ten, but it's still not, you know, like playing transy No, yeah right.
It is probably the seventh or eighth best conference in the in the country.
Yeah so, but talking about tonight, Kentucky out shotting from the field, the three point line, the free tow lines, and they had a plus thirteen rebound margin and stiff lost.
Oh wow, Wow, we had a plus thirteen rebound margin and still lost. Wow. That's bad.
That's what it's turnovers, right, turnover sixteen five. So what's disappointing is I didn't think a team that was experienced like this team is would lose a game, because they would. I mean, they just they melted and fell apart in the last four minutes. And I didn't think a team like this would ever lose a game like that. But which which brings me to another point that I'm concerned about. I wonder if they're starting to wear down. Maybe injuries are just accumulating.
Injuries are part of it. Injuries are part of it. But you know they had a week off, right, so you know, you know, I don't know that I can buy the wear down. They just had a week off. But that's you make a good point about the turnovers. I mean, I knew we had a bunch. I don't think I realized they only had five. So I mean that's sixteen to five. That's that's a huge difference. I mean, that's that in the threes. If you just didn't know any other stats, then we had sixteen turnles that they had five. They made thirteen threes. We had made nine. Sorry, we're probably losing if those are the stats.
I think at this point this has been my last thing is just, you know, hope to finish the middle of the pack and see what happens in March.
I agree, I appreciate it, appreciate the call. I agree because the one thing about this group, I do think they can beat anybody in March, but they also can lose to anybody in March. Height If I'm nine to eighth, twenty two eighty seven, we will take a break, have a final segment. It's a local good calls, by the way, tonight one of the better even after the loss. One of the better set of calls. The Local Toy Dealers KSR post game show, Welcome Back. It is final segment, Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show, good set of callers. Tonight Kentucky loses. I hate when Kentucky plays early in the day and then loses. It feels like it's hard to enjoy the games that come after. I've always been like that, even in football, play a noon game and lose. When you play early and win, you can watch the games and not be nervous. That I like, But I hate when the play early and lose. He if I'm nine twenty two eighty seven. Who's up next, Jerry, Jerry, go ahead, Jerry, hey.
Man, thanks for taking my call. I got two quick things. He was at one point for two minutes of something to go in the game, and Butler had the ball at the top of the kee where he was at the pri Toro line. He tries to force the ball into him. Yep, they steal the ball, but the score which I ain't got no problem with that. Then the next time down the floor we go inside and I'm benon. I sawry Vandy gump back down the floor, goes up for a shot, Williams goes for the block. The kid missed the shot, and Butler just stands and watches the ball man and they get the rebound.
Yeah, and he was bad the last few minutes. He was bad. Last few minutes he was And then he got his pocket picked. Uh one or two possessions after that that was you know, he's a senior. He's been, he's been in the National Championship game. He's got to be better than that. Down the stretch.
Hey man, let me say one more thing and I'll leave you alone. And the second half ben no more. They ain't no answer. Fall away. He should have been had he should have had the ball in his hands a lot more. And at the end the game, man, I mean, we picked it. We're probably not gonna be Tennessee all we do. But if we go on a three game losers Street, we've got to beat Arkansas.
Man.
Oh dude, I don't. We gotta be ark So no matter what I mean, I can't imagine. I can't imagine doing this show next week at what time? Midnight? Twelve thirty at night? Is that where when it's gonna be. I mean it's gonna because the game's at nine, isn't it.
Yeah, with the documentary crew in town two.
Oh come on, now, if I have to sit in my house and do that and do this fusting show and it's twelve thirty at night, break the NFL show the next day and we lose, man, you're gonna have to carry me out of it. Who's next, Robert, Robert?
Go ahead, Robert, Hey, Robert from Stanford. The only thing I have is I think, going back to Coach p who I had interviewed at a TV station at the mid nineties when I worked there, is that The bad thinking about it is Andrew Carr is the straw that stirs the drink that I know.
I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, I like Andrew a lot, but you know, if you go look, I mean we we've won some big games where he really hasn't played great. I mean the Alabama game, we were right there and I don't even know. I don't think he played particularly well at all. I think he's very important, but like he would have gotten this three or four easy baskets. Like I said earlier, but I think you can win without him. Although it's obviously better.
To have it, you can, and I always go back to it, it's better to have him than to have not. And if we have him, that's true to night, I think we would have been better off.
I agree. I will agree with you there. If we had tonight, I appreciate the call. If we'd had him to night, I think we'd have been a lot better shape. I think we would. I think they could have, you know, if Carr. On the one hand, because Vandy's so small, missing car doesn't kill you. On the other hand, I still think one of the best versions of Kentucky is Car at the five and a lot of teams. The size it so much that you can't do that. You could have done that tonight because Vandy's small, so we could have played car at the five and been difficult to guard, and we just weren't able to do that. Who's next, Lee, Lee? Go ahead?
Lee hey Man loved of dissection going on now after losing a couple of games in two weeks and stuff.
But what's wrong with that? Like, what's the is it? I mean, that's what we're supposed to do, right, Yeah, that's.
What your show's about. Yeah. I getting ready to say that it's really changed though in the way it's gone. But I do agree with you on a couple on several things. I want to talk about them real quick. One is I agree with you a Humbercent. I don't watch much sports that we lose it there at the accnoon game. I'm if I won't watch TV again until the Eagles play tomorrow afternoon and I'll watch them. So that's that's one thing. The other thing is I went to about thirty five games in nineteen ninety six and Mark Pope was anything but frail.
It was I agree he was well, I mean, his it was his effort and energy that made him a player, you know what I mean. I mean, he wasn't gifted with great talent, but he played nine years in the NBA because of his effort, you.
Know, and he wasn't afraid to knock you down. And I and I agree with you too that on this. Then I almost say one thing I'm gonna do dissecting myself. I want to say this other thing, though I agree with you what you said too. This team looked like probably they look the first week they came to practice like they never played together that first half, the whole first half.
And it was just horrible.
The one thing I do want to kind of say, I don't know any big mistakes that Pope has made and coaching this year. He's done a lot of good things. But if Andrew Carr had been hurt and didn't need to play the last few games, I wish he'd set him out. But if he been able to play today, I wish he had played him. And I don't know we'll ever know the answer to that, because I do agree with I think we'll win. Last thing. And I hang up, and I appreciate you listening to me. Just remember this regards what we do. I think we'll end up nine to nine sec or ten and eight in sec and get probably a six or seven seat and go to Cavin chance to win one or two games.
But when we.
Started out the year, we wanted to beat the Arcs. We wanted to beat Louisville. We've done that. We want to beat Duke, we've done that. We want to beat Gonzaga, We've done that. Now we have to beat Arkansas. And I love your program, and God bless and go cats.
That is true. If you had told us before the year started, you get to beat five teams, we would have said Duke, Gonzaga, Louisville, Tennessee and Arkansas. Probably all right, we've done the first three. Now we got to get the next two. So may not win the next one in Knoxville, but we can still beat them and rub and then we got to beat Arkansas. Who's next?
We've got three left bones?
Is next? Bones? Go ahead? Bones? Look at you telling me how we're gonna better. That's what I was gonna do. It was three of them, go ahead, both.
What's going on?
God?
So just a couple of things. I got a challenge for Corey Price because he's the stack guru wonder if there's any way he might be able to figure out out of maybe the last couple of years, five years or whatever, any time a team is banked in a three how many times we've lost, because I'd like to say it's probably seventy per cent at least losses. And then my other big concern was, you know, the Scotty report on Vanderbilt was that the leading team about feels and points off the turnovers, and they seem to annihilate us on that like we didn't even know it was coming. And then the last thing is I'm still not really worried about this or whatever, because I told my friend tonight, I'm willing to probably put money on it if the SEC Tournament when it starts, I'll be shocked if there's more than two teams in the SECS that have two losses or less, and I'll just hang up unless guys, listen, man, love you show go catch.
I don't even think they'll be two. I think they'll probably only be one team with two losses or less, and that'll be Alburn. I think Alabama will have it more than two losses. Tennessee, you'll have more than two losses. Everybody's gonna have more than two losses except Aubert. I think I feel I feel pretty confident about that. Yeah, the turnovers is a big issue tonight, and but most of them were in the first half. I really those last eight minutes of the first half, like, never show those on television ever again, because it was rule Who's next? Ian? Go ahead? Ian? Two more? What's up?
Hey man? To add on to what the guy said, a couple callers go about, how you know we won against go, we won against Duke, We've we've we've done all these things. I don't think that Mark Pope is the guy who's just gonna roll the dice and be just completely careless. But I think there's a scenario where he knows that this game against a really decent Vanderbilt team at their house is not really it doesn't matter if we lose there.
I disagree with he can do things he can.
Yeah, I disagree with you. You got to it. This is a game there. If there are so few wins on the schedule that you feel that like you can look at and go like, I feel good, We're gonna beat South Carolin at home. We're gonna beat LSU at home. I think we're gonna be vandel but there's not a lot of other games on the schedule that I go, well, we're definitely gonna win that one, so like you gotta win these, I mean I do not, you know, with two minutes to go, we're up one, Like I don't think Mark Pope was thinking, that's not that big a deal if we win this.
No I agree with that. But my question, honestly, in the when when Noah came out at the very first time he came on the floor, I was like, what is going on? Why is he? And I just wonder if he is if he is adjusting some lineups and doing some things where like you even said, what are what are these lineups? Where he's just saying I know, I know we're close enough and we can try to figure out what's going on so that we know in March what what.
We have maybe maybe maybe maybe, But I appreciate, Carl, we're going too long with it then, I mean, we we've been down like nine points in like almost every game, you know, and we can't just keep doing that. I mean, if he doesn't go down fourteen, we win this game easy, Like you you just can't. And again, you know, I like again, I'm not trying to be rude or mean, but Colin Chandler, he can't play right now in these games. He just can't. And he doesn't need to. We don't need to go with him twice to find out. It's pretty clear Noah and Perry have shown they can in certain parts. I don't think tonight was a Perry night, but it wasn't Noah night, so you know, I don't mind that. But then, you know, putting all those guys in at once at the end of the first half that just did not work. Let's do one more. Who's next, Josh, Josh, go ahead, Josh.
Hey Man, thanks for taking my call here in western North Carolina. Really always appreciate Ksar got me through the floods and everything. Always got me to laugh when I listen to your show. But I wanted to just make two points. We can't win seventeen turnovers eleven assist every game. We have to have and we beat the teams. Our assist turnover ratio is outstanding and tonight was home true.
Got to execute right, like, this is not a talent team, This is an execution team, and like your your point says, if we don't execute, we will lose. And that's what happened tonight.
And here's my second point. Last year used to say, first of all, totally different team. Well, we always said we could lose anybody, we could beat anybody.
And yes, that's exactly right there. You know what's crazy, and I appreciate the call. I thought about that actually before, like this week, when you know we didn't have a game. It's crazy to say this, but this is a lot like last year's team, but just a lot less talented. Last year's team had infinite talent, and you just thought, man, if we hit shots and reach our potential, look how good we are. This team not nearly the same amount of talent, but we just say, man, if we just execute, we're really good. And just as it would be frustrating last year that we couldn't get them to put the lineups on and to get all the talent and make it work, it's a different frustration this year. But it's like, man, if you guys will just hustle and execute your execution, you can be really good when it happens. So they're different teams, way different talent levels that team last year was a lot more talented, did not play particularly smart. This team played smart, not particularly talented. But it's like if they both would just reach their full potential, they both have the ability to beat anybody, But as we saw last year, they both could lose to anybody, and hopefully we won't have that result this year. All right, thank you folks very much for listening. Kansas is playing Houston right now, Billy, I know it's part of the KASR parlay. How did the rest of our teams do in the parlay? Do you know?
No, I'm not sure.
I'm gonna do it. Look at this real quick. Did Butler beat the Paul? Yes it did. There was one, all right, sorry, I'm making you hear this, Utah and Baylor. Baylor beat Utah. That's two. What were the other two? Kansas and what was the other one? Billy, come on, help me out. I don't know.
I didn't bet it, but I can look it up real quick.
Look it up real quick, because we're two for four. Kansas is gonna win to night. That's gonna be three.
Do you think Kansas gets it done tonight?
Kansas is gonna win to night.
Yeah, I've almost got it.
Oregon State Clan at Santa claarair o. I don't know off the top of my head what happened in the Oregon State Santa Clara game. Here, I'm gonna look it up. I think they're in the West Coast Conference now and Oregon State is up to at halftime. Come on, now, there'll be something positive for the night. Thank you, folks very much for listening. We will see you on Monday if you get ready for it. Tomorrow listen to the ESPN Championship Game preview Sunday at ten am. Thanks to Billy for hanging in. We'll see you later. This has been the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show