Reason editor at large Matt Welch joins Matt Kibbe to discuss Bernie Sanders and the 2020 presidential campaign. The guys rail on Bernie, but worry about his populist, anti-establishment qualities, similar to those that propelled Donald Trump in 2016. They touch on international trade, foreign policy, health care, and other issues likely to surface as the campaign unfolds.

<p>Reason editor at large Matt Welch joins Matt Kibbe to discuss Bernie Sanders and the 2020 presidential campaign. The guys rail on Bernie, but worry about his populist, anti-establishment qualities, similar to those that propelled Donald Trump in 2016. They touch on international trade, foreign policy, health care, and other issues likely to surface as the campaign unfolds.</p>

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