Sylvan Esso’s fourth studio album, 'No Rules Sandy,' is out now. Amelia Meath and Nick Sanborn talk to Rachel Stevens about how marriage is trash for women, Richard Swift is good for the heart, and trusting the process can result in some of your favorite art.

<p>Sylvan Esso’s fourth studio album, 'No Rules Sandy,' is out now. Amelia Meath and Nick Sanborn talk to Rachel Stevens about how marriage is trash for women, Richard Swift is good for the heart, and trusting the process can result in some of your favorite art.</p>

On A Deeper Listen, host Emily Fox and other storytellers from KEXP talk with artists about the stories behind their songs and the experiences that inform their work. Through each conversation, we uncover the humanity behind the music, allowing us to hear it in a whole new way.

<p>On A Deeper Listen, host Emily Fox and other storytellers from KEXP talk with artists about the stories behind their songs and the experiences that inform their work. Through each conversation, we uncover the humanity behind the music, allowing us to hear it in a whole new way.</p>

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