Okay, so now I know why you're all asking me to talk about Bad Vegan. Can I just tell you that it's so funny that some of these crazy people that have these documentaries written about them, these these shows on Netflix, I've met some of them. The Tender Swindler, I have met that diamond guy. I met him as he I met him years ago because I had him in my phone book and I remember like him saying he was in the diamond business, which any girl not from like a hitting on me perspective, just sort of like a networking perspective. I remember it, and I feel like he had a guy with him and he said that was his brother or something, but that name, and it sounded very diamond dish. I think it was like, what was that, like Nassarian or Sam. I may be mixing stories. It was what was the I don't know the guy's name, but anyway, I remember the guy's name. I saw that I was watching the Netflix thing. I'm like, I've met that guy, and I remember he told me he was in the diamond business, which are always like, yeah, he doesn't want to know someone in the diamond business. Total scam um. So bad Vegan, so I don't know if you were listening last time, but I was raw and vegan for a year. I went to school for food and healing. This was twenty years ago, and that whole space of raw and vegan was very cutting edge then everything that Sarma. If you haven't seen the Netflix show on her, this is based on this woman who got into some crazy vortex hole where she was on the lamb for over a year with this criminal. But anyway, what she said about it being cutting edge when they opened Pure Food and Wine was true. So for those of you who didn't see it or don't know the story, there's a woman named Sarma. She was married to a guy named Matthew Kenny, who was a chef, a famous chef in New York, a well known chef in New York. They were like this good looking couple. They opened up a raw restaurant called Pure Food and Wine. Everyone knew about it because it was the first ever of its kind restaurant that was upscale to make this food that's not only vegan and vegetarian, which was cutting edge to begin with. This is back when milk was being served at Starbucks and and getting soy milk was innovative, like there's no almond, macadamia, cashew milk, oat milk, none of that. So they opened this restaurant. It's not only vegan and vegetarian, it's raw vegan vegetarian. So she's right in the show saying that it's cutting edge. I knew her husband because I did business with him briefly when I had my company Bethany Bakes, My Wheat, egg and Dairy Free Baked Goods company, and I was also a natural food chef and trying to hustle, and I was selling him cookies to his one cafe, and I remember helping him or cooking for this event or something. In Dumb Boat, it's like very foggy in the background, but he's not really in the show, which is interesting at all. I'm not even referring to him. But in addition, I know the guy Jeffrey Chattero, who's the restaurantur who's very prominent in the show Bad Vegan, because he was partners with Sarma and Matthew Kenny, and I known him for years. He started the restaurant China Grill, which was like the hottest Asian fusion restaurant in New York and he did Asia to Cuba, and I believe, if I'm not incorrect, he was the maybe the restaurateur behind Rocco di Spirito and that TV show The Restaurant. I'm not sure about that, but I remember that for a reason. So when I'm watching these shows and I'm like, wait a second. And I met Sarma at one Lucky Duck because I was eating raw and vegans, so there was no one else that had this kind of food. And I remember going into the place in Chelsea Pierce to get those raw spiced cashews. They were amazing. I had no idea of anything that's going on behind the scenes. I didn't even know that Pure Food and Wine was like a celebrity hot spot because it was just I remember going there and having that zucchini lasagna, and it was just a place that was when you want to eat that kind of food. In order to cook, in order to prepare raw food, it would take four hours to dehydrate like a pizza or something. It's a very labor intensive, thoughtful cuisine that involves a lot of ingredients, and it's very expensive and it has to be organic, and it's soaking nuts and it's pureeing everything, and it's really labor intensive. So the restaurant was cutting edge because if you wanted that food, you would pay for it because it was impossible for you to do on your own. The way to eat raw on your own would be raw nuts, avocado, raw gaspaco, but not cooked tomatoes ever, and salads and it would be redundant and repetitive and anyway. So that's about the raw food movement. But this woman's parma um. This show is about her who went to Wharton, very smart girl, worked at bear Sterns, becomes the wife of a chef, opens up very extreme raw vegan restaurant and gradually gives this guy, this guy who she was in a relationship with an and ultimately marries after her relationship with her husband. And this guy is like an overweight, slovenly kind of degenerate, and she was married to Matthew Kenny, who was like the vision of health and good looking, and now she's with this other guy and she's obsessed with her dog. So I understand that I was walking into it thinking that I was going to think that she was totally shady and not trust anything she was saying, and I'm probably halfway through it or maybe more. And she's now on the lamb in the show, and I've believed mostly everything that's come out of her mouth, which is shocking because you know, I'm savvy and I'm smart, and she went to Wharton and I always say, you can't play stupid and smart at the same time. So how is this woman giving this guy gradual money, which a lot of these swindlers do to get to the point of one point seven million dollars and he's promising her there's sort of like self actualized anointment into this other world. And the thing that I realized in the show is they do get into this mystical stuff. So people are into raw and vegan and hot yoga. They're going to see psychics. They're doing energy work. They're doing right raiki, they're doing cranios sacral. They're pulling with with coconut oil in their mouth to get the toxins out. They're doing juice, fest are doing detox. They're going on hikes. They're going to a place called Agape in California to go find God. They're in another way going to the place uh Kapalu upstate New York to go do you know, not talk for a week and do cleanses. And they're they're going to Hippocrates in Florida and doing extreme things. They're going to add Wigmore Institute, which is in Puerto Rico, and you're basically drinking wheat grass and this stuff called the juvlac and it's extreme and it's culty. It's a culty. So what I think, and I don't know if I'm a percent right, obviously, but what I and if I don't even know if I if I'm right in what I think. I think I think having been in a relationship with someone who had some serious issues but made you feel like they were totally possessed by you. And also depending upon when you meet someone. If you meet someone and you're vulnerable and you're coming out of something bad, or you're a homebody, or you're lonely, or you're going through something, it's exhausting to think about meeting someone new. So sometimes the one who's giving you attention, even if it's the wrong person, you think you might never meet somebody again. This is it. This is the last person you know, you've been an abusive relationship or something, it's mentally abusive or emotionally abusive, and you think that, like, no one will ever love you like this, even if it's a crazy person, and you're getting older, and you might think this is all you can get. I think that was one element. I think she was in a relation of an addict. And addicts are natural born liars. They lie for a living. So imagine I have a friend who knows someone who just got a bad diagnosis, and they called us to ask for a favor, to pull in a favor, to call some very powerful person to help them get ahead of a line for medical attention. Okay, we didn't question whether she was telling the truth, but she could have been making that up. You could make that up because it's not the first day that you're gonna ask for the money. She could have made that up. But then the next time say something else. And the next time, oh, no, I just got to get medicine and I can't afford it. And then you're like, oh, I'll give it. Like I don't think these con people, they don't operate in one day. They play the slow game, and then they work you. This guy was working her mother too, you know, making her seem crazy. I will. I'm the only one will ever love her. I love I love you. I'm just trying to take care of her, but I need money for this and I'm worried. She also had this girl, Sarma, who yes, went to Warden, and it's hard for me to believe believing she was going to get the like mystical status in the universe. I believe so people can fall into cults. We've seen it. We've seen smart people, the Hurst Girl, we saw the person from the Sea, Grum's family in that movie The Vow gets sucked into a cult. It happened to Um, Katherine Oxenberg's daughter, Like you know, people can get sucked into a call. I think this girl's Sarma was in a one person call. I think this guy brainwashed her and sucked her into a one person called. She kept going in deeper and deeper and darker and dark and being more miserable and lost, but didn't know it because she only knew what she knew. Do you ever feel exhausted so tired you can't see straight, and you're in the worst mood and you want to cry in the world's coming to an end or pms and you just want to scream and freak out over everything and it seems real. Then you get your peer and you're like, oh, this happens every month, like you're a crazy person. So I think that she kept getting sucked in deeper and deeper. That being said, she was lying to other people, asking other people for money, and she left people that are employees without getting paid, which is disgusting. I just don't see another way. I don't think that she herself was taking any of this money. I think she kept pouring it down his illegal gambling throat. And I think that that writer that was in the show, he would have reporters are the most cynical people ever. They'll always say the most negative thing. They'll always go to the you know, worst, most cynical place. That's their job. He doesn't seem to think that either. He seems to think that like something went on. I think she was in a one person called I really do. And how do you pull someone out of a cult when no one's even with you. She's alone on the road with the master of the cult. He only has one person to to indoctrinate. He's giving her the kool Aid deal, you know, the Jim Jones cool aid to one person. When you're in a big colug you're telling it to all these people. You've got to manage. This is one person. That's why I really think so far, I can't wait to watch the rest. I think it's terrible we said. But I'm the person who would say, oh my god, she knew and she was a swindler. I don't think so. I don't know why, even though I know it's a bunch of crazies in this raw vegan world. I know it intellectually, even though I know her ex husband got you know, didn't really necessarily pay people. Always starts businesses, then starts new ones with somebody else. He's got businesses all over the world. But I don't think he was a swindler either at all. I think he just was not a great business person. He's a creative, that homeless guy on the show that like, you know, I thought she was such a kind person. I don't know. I knew a girl that used to give her dog callnics and get acupuncture for her dog. In that alternative world, people can be freakish. I just don't know why. I'm just not black and white on this thing. I'm just not I just I can't. I'm fascinated by it and it's an interesting show. So that's where I stand nowhere where any of you would think, because you know I could be judgmental. I just I'm up. I don't understand. I'm just it's crazy staying in Vegas for a year. She couldn't pull herself out. Why didn' her family pull her? Because it's a hell. It's the only explanation if you're not gonna call your calling your parents and saying I love you and everything's fine, and sort of like she was sucked into the vortex. What do you I don't know. I want to hear what you guys think. A lot of you have said to me, please talk about this, so let's keep going if I have to. It's like a book club. If I have to redo my answer after watching the next few episodes, I will, But I'm just like mesmerized. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about that without getting it's too much detail about myself, but it's important for all of you. So I remember when do Me Moore was going through a divorce with Ashton, and I think, um, she just she just stayed quiet and stuff was coming out about her for a while, and I knew someone who was working with her, and it was frustrating for her to just stay quiet because you're just watching yourself get trashed and you haven't had your day and your voice yet. I have experienced that. I experienced that for year after year. I was the person who's obviously the villain, the successful, more you know, aggressive talker, and and there you know, the rich mogul and uh, the housewife. And there was so much going on behind the scenes that I had a gag order and I couldn't talk about because of my child. And I was very conflicted because I didn't want to talk about a lot of this stuff. First of all, I was free. I was going to lose custody or get sued or just you want to follow the rules. It's the same reason that all the me two people followed the rules. The assigned a document. This is the way the world went, and you just followed the rules. Phil When I first did a custody agreement, you had you just you got so tired. Any of you going through the divorce, if you're going through a custody agreement, you get so tired and you just will say and yes, yes, yes, whatever you want, just sign it. I can't do this anymore, right, So some of the things you'll sign would be like we'll not talk about this, will not put your daughter on Twitter like I didn't. That wasn't a specific thing. But I'm just saying, like fine, whatever. School, Like you just you can't fight all the battles, You can't kill all the roaches in Manhattan, and you just want to you believe what people tell you that eventually it won't matter because the kids get older and this is just a document, but you're not going to bide by most of it. I ended up being in a situation where the person used it as a weapon and used it against me, like every to the letter of everything, and you just felt a little trapped. And once things were happening that we're not acceptable and that were abusive and that we're not okay, I just ate it. I pushed it down and I was being silently tortured. And the truth is I was watching the headlines and hiding my head because knowing like people are thinking this, and people are thinking that, and who knows who's play racing it, and you know, and you're just hiding and it affects your career. It affected my career. I didn't I couldn't care that much because I was just trying to protect my child and not lose my mind. It was really really hard. But you there's no question about the fact that Johnny Depp being associated with abuse and these kind of allegations without having his day in court, that it's done severe damage to his career. There's no question about it. Okay, there is absolutely smoke and fire with both parties. That's an abusive, tumultuous relationship, I'm sure because you wouldn't tolerate some of that for more than a minute, so even just to be there. But I've been in situations where there's some shady stuff going on and you just convince yourself something else is going on, and you know you can't blame, you can't victim blame or anything like. The people can be in bad situations, men and women alike, by the way, but I have experienced stifling and then getting into court and then headlines being what's literally being said from their mouths, and it's really hard. My divorce was going on for so many years that I never got to say anything, and I still haven't said really much believe it or not considering what happened, because you battle between your kids and what they're going to hear and what women need to hear because it's important, just like with me too. So that's the struggle, Like do I come out and talk so I can help so many women in the world, But then my daughter hears things that would really be hurtful, be be you know, disillusioning for her. So I've chosen really to be very vague and to not say what's happened. It's a choice, and it's been a it's been a struggle. So this reminds me of that, only because this has been going on for so many years, these allegations, and now they're finally in court and things are coming out and people get to make their own decisions, and it may not it may be grayer than ever. It's not black and white because people I'm talking to go back and forth and aren't sure what they think, whose side there on, who they believe. It seems very very gray. But what is not gray is that there have been wages and careers potentially destroyed and possibly forever. Because it's hard to go back from what people think of you. I remember when I have my talk show, I interviewed Justin Bieber and some girls said he got her pregnant years ago, and everybody just thought it was true and it wasn't true. But then the ride that people go on and thinking it's true is relentless. It's voracious. The appetite for this, it's relentless. But the ride to like, oh that was that's not true is nothing. It's just like, oh, it's not true. Okay, But many people didn't hear that little part, that little blip. Many people are still remember the first part. So so many people remember my nasty divorce. I don't know that everyone remembers that little blip of what happened. And you know, when I got some vindication. But the ride to reputational destruction, you know, it is rough and then oh just sorry, We're sorry. It's attraction. Someone one said something horrible about me about the Forbes magazine article I was in and what sold my company for It looked like we I didn't even say I never had never said a number. It looked like Forbes was lying. It looked like a big scandal. But the apology was like two seconds long, and it was like I spent days of my life having a defense something that never even happened. So there is gray because there's substance abuse and just overall tumultuous relationship and dysfunction. And you remember back Johnny Depp trashed a hotel room when he was in a relationship with Winona writer. He trashed a hotel room. Is that relevant now? I don't know. I've never trashed a hotel room. And Amber heard who I sat next to in France one once at a restaurant. Uh. We don't know what motivates people. There are three sides to every story. And she stayed in that relationship with that person. Oh, I've been recorded, by the way a lot. I've been followed, I've been hacked, I've been recorded, and I've had someone say things to me in a very provocative way where you don't recognize how the person is speaking to you, and you're like, what's going on? And you and you think, oh God, I don't want them to know that. I know they're recording, but oh, they're recording. But that's why they're speaking in this way. That's a big thing too. You're recording someone, so you're showing your side of it. You've prepared to put the recorder on and say this is what happens. That's just something to consider. I like I said, I don't know neither and not none of you know, but you know more because you've watched the trial. I'm just saying, there are a lot of these things to think about. A person who's recording another person is producing their own short films, so we don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. You know. The thing that's tricky is there's often one trusting person that never of things they could get to this point, so they can't possibly imagine how bad it is. So you can't imagine that someone would record you and try to use it against you. That being said, it's the first thing the lawyer says, and I hate to tell you that if you have something going on where there's abuse, or something's happening, or something's happening in front of your child, if someone is saying abusive things in front of your child, it's damaging and it's abuse to your child. A children listening to emotional abuse is abuse to children. I just want you to really understand that. And battles between adults custody battles in particular, and things like this that we're talking about, where there's like dysfunction and a home there's a situation where you're being abused mentally, emotionally, or your child's being used as a pawn, or they're being abused by way of you know, there have been things that I've heard. I know, I know you don't want to go with your mom. I know you don't want to go with your mom. I know you want to stay with that. I just recognize this stuff. It may sound crazy, like big deal, why am I going to record I know you don't want to go do my thata doesn't sound like give us repetition and things that happen over and over and patterns and things that you can track and things that you can write down and write emails about and have proof of correspondence about it and dates that things happen. That's very very helpful. Yeah, if you need to record something, you'll need to record something, make sure it's a state. You're doing it in a state where it's legal to record another person. By the way, because there are certain states where it's legal. In New York, you can record another person and it's legal. You and I could be having a conversation right now. You can be recording the whole conversation. You can do that with your boss, et cetera. In other states, it's illegal. In California, you cannot record another person. In New York it's a third party. You can't record to other people talking without them knowing that you recording their conversation. But I'm just saying, in these matters you need proof and pattern proof and patterns, dates, times, records, patterns and threads. People often find pockets, find abuse pockets. I'm gonna try this. This will drive them crazy with me. It was the same email over and over and over at the same thing. It could be about are you with other men? Are you with other men? I guess you're going out tonight. I guess you're going out hundreds of emails about individual topics, and then when they don't work or they don't get a rise, someone goes to another one. It could be mocking you, religious, it could be racist, it could be sexually. It could be saying you're fat. It could be saying you're useless and ugly and old or relevant. Whatever it is. I know it's happening to some of you. I know it has happened, and you have to be organized in the beginning because later you'll get anxiety and be like, oh ship, I didn't get at that time, so it sucks. And also know that someone could be recording you too. It's just sad to know that, but it's the truth. And when people start getting advice from other people and from lawyers, lawyers are there to make money for the most part, and lawyers will say things that are callous and cold that you can't image and like they might be recording you or you might want to record this, and you're like, what, they would never do this. I love this for you, Like they don't care, they don't care, They just they're same recorded. Because it all matters. It all matters. There's little things you don't think of. It all matters.

Okay, so now I know why you're all asking me to talk about Bad Vegan. Can I just tell you that it's so funny that some of these crazy people that have these documentaries written about them, these these shows on Netflix, I've met some of them. The Tender Swindler, I have met that diamond guy. I met him as he I met him years ago because I had him in my phone book and I remember like him saying he was in the diamond business, which any girl not from like a hitting on me perspective, just sort of like a networking perspective. I remember it, and I feel like he had a guy with him and he said that was his brother or something, but that name, and it sounded very diamond dish. I think it was like, what was that, like Nassarian or Sam. I may be mixing stories. It was what was the I don't know the guy's name, but anyway, I remember the guy's name. I saw that I was watching the Netflix thing. I'm like, I've met that guy, and I remember he told me he was in the diamond business, which are always like, yeah, he doesn't want to know someone in the diamond business. Total scam um. So bad Vegan, so I don't know if you were listening last time, but I was raw and vegan for a year. I went to school for food and healing. This was twenty years ago, and that whole space of raw and vegan was very cutting edge then everything that Sarma. If you haven't seen the Netflix show on her, this is based on this woman who got into some crazy vortex hole where she was on the lamb for over a year with this criminal. But anyway, what she said about it being cutting edge when they opened Pure Food and Wine was true. So for those of you who didn't see it or don't know the story, there's a woman named Sarma. She was married to a guy named Matthew Kenny, who was a chef, a famous chef in New York, a well known chef in New York. They were like this good looking couple. They opened up a raw restaurant called Pure Food and Wine. Everyone knew about it because it was the first ever of its kind restaurant that was upscale to make this food that's not only vegan and vegetarian, which was cutting edge to begin with. This is back when milk was being served at Starbucks and and getting soy milk was innovative, like there's no almond, macadamia, cashew milk, oat milk, none of that. So they opened this restaurant. It's not only vegan and vegetarian, it's raw vegan vegetarian. So she's right in the show saying that it's cutting edge. I knew her husband because I did business with him briefly when I had my company Bethany Bakes, My Wheat, egg and Dairy Free Baked Goods company, and I was also a natural food chef and trying to hustle, and I was selling him cookies to his one cafe, and I remember helping him or cooking for this event or something. In Dumb Boat, it's like very foggy in the background, but he's not really in the show, which is interesting at all. I'm not even referring to him. But in addition, I know the guy Jeffrey Chattero, who's the restaurantur who's very prominent in the show Bad Vegan, because he was partners with Sarma and Matthew Kenny, and I known him for years. He started the restaurant China Grill, which was like the hottest Asian fusion restaurant in New York and he did Asia to Cuba, and I believe, if I'm not incorrect, he was the maybe the restaurateur behind Rocco di Spirito and that TV show The Restaurant. I'm not sure about that, but I remember that for a reason. So when I'm watching these shows and I'm like, wait a second. And I met Sarma at one Lucky Duck because I was eating raw and vegans, so there was no one else that had this kind of food. And I remember going into the place in Chelsea Pierce to get those raw spiced cashews. They were amazing. I had no idea of anything that's going on behind the scenes. I didn't even know that Pure Food and Wine was like a celebrity hot spot because it was just I remember going there and having that zucchini lasagna, and it was just a place that was when you want to eat that kind of food. In order to cook, in order to prepare raw food, it would take four hours to dehydrate like a pizza or something. It's a very labor intensive, thoughtful cuisine that involves a lot of ingredients, and it's very expensive and it has to be organic, and it's soaking nuts and it's pureeing everything, and it's really labor intensive. So the restaurant was cutting edge because if you wanted that food, you would pay for it because it was impossible for you to do on your own. The way to eat raw on your own would be raw nuts, avocado, raw gaspaco, but not cooked tomatoes ever, and salads and it would be redundant and repetitive and anyway. So that's about the raw food movement. But this woman's parma um. This show is about her who went to Wharton, very smart girl, worked at bear Sterns, becomes the wife of a chef, opens up very extreme raw vegan restaurant and gradually gives this guy, this guy who she was in a relationship with an and ultimately marries after her relationship with her husband. And this guy is like an overweight, slovenly kind of degenerate, and she was married to Matthew Kenny, who was like the vision of health and good looking, and now she's with this other guy and she's obsessed with her dog. So I understand that I was walking into it thinking that I was going to think that she was totally shady and not trust anything she was saying, and I'm probably halfway through it or maybe more. And she's now on the lamb in the show, and I've believed mostly everything that's come out of her mouth, which is shocking because you know, I'm savvy and I'm smart, and she went to Wharton and I always say, you can't play stupid and smart at the same time. So how is this woman giving this guy gradual money, which a lot of these swindlers do to get to the point of one point seven million dollars and he's promising her there's sort of like self actualized anointment into this other world. And the thing that I realized in the show is they do get into this mystical stuff. So people are into raw and vegan and hot yoga. They're going to see psychics. They're doing energy work. They're doing right raiki, they're doing cranios sacral. They're pulling with with coconut oil in their mouth to get the toxins out. They're doing juice, fest are doing detox. They're going on hikes. They're going to a place called Agape in California to go find God. They're in another way going to the place uh Kapalu upstate New York to go do you know, not talk for a week and do cleanses. And they're they're going to Hippocrates in Florida and doing extreme things. They're going to add Wigmore Institute, which is in Puerto Rico, and you're basically drinking wheat grass and this stuff called the juvlac and it's extreme and it's culty. It's a culty. So what I think, and I don't know if I'm a percent right, obviously, but what I and if I don't even know if I if I'm right in what I think. I think I think having been in a relationship with someone who had some serious issues but made you feel like they were totally possessed by you. And also depending upon when you meet someone. If you meet someone and you're vulnerable and you're coming out of something bad, or you're a homebody, or you're lonely, or you're going through something, it's exhausting to think about meeting someone new. So sometimes the one who's giving you attention, even if it's the wrong person, you think you might never meet somebody again. This is it. This is the last person you know, you've been an abusive relationship or something, it's mentally abusive or emotionally abusive, and you think that, like, no one will ever love you like this, even if it's a crazy person, and you're getting older, and you might think this is all you can get. I think that was one element. I think she was in a relation of an addict. And addicts are natural born liars. They lie for a living. So imagine I have a friend who knows someone who just got a bad diagnosis, and they called us to ask for a favor, to pull in a favor, to call some very powerful person to help them get ahead of a line for medical attention. Okay, we didn't question whether she was telling the truth, but she could have been making that up. You could make that up because it's not the first day that you're gonna ask for the money. She could have made that up. But then the next time say something else. And the next time, oh, no, I just got to get medicine and I can't afford it. And then you're like, oh, I'll give it. Like I don't think these con people, they don't operate in one day. They play the slow game, and then they work you. This guy was working her mother too, you know, making her seem crazy. I will. I'm the only one will ever love her. I love I love you. I'm just trying to take care of her, but I need money for this and I'm worried. She also had this girl, Sarma, who yes, went to Warden, and it's hard for me to believe believing she was going to get the like mystical status in the universe. I believe so people can fall into cults. We've seen it. We've seen smart people, the Hurst Girl, we saw the person from the Sea, Grum's family in that movie The Vow gets sucked into a cult. It happened to Um, Katherine Oxenberg's daughter, Like you know, people can get sucked into a call. I think this girl's Sarma was in a one person call. I think this guy brainwashed her and sucked her into a one person called. She kept going in deeper and deeper and darker and dark and being more miserable and lost, but didn't know it because she only knew what she knew. Do you ever feel exhausted so tired you can't see straight, and you're in the worst mood and you want to cry in the world's coming to an end or pms and you just want to scream and freak out over everything and it seems real. Then you get your peer and you're like, oh, this happens every month, like you're a crazy person. So I think that she kept getting sucked in deeper and deeper. That being said, she was lying to other people, asking other people for money, and she left people that are employees without getting paid, which is disgusting. I just don't see another way. I don't think that she herself was taking any of this money. I think she kept pouring it down his illegal gambling throat. And I think that that writer that was in the show, he would have reporters are the most cynical people ever. They'll always say the most negative thing. They'll always go to the you know, worst, most cynical place. That's their job. He doesn't seem to think that either. He seems to think that like something went on. I think she was in a one person called I really do. And how do you pull someone out of a cult when no one's even with you. She's alone on the road with the master of the cult. He only has one person to to indoctrinate. He's giving her the kool Aid deal, you know, the Jim Jones cool aid to one person. When you're in a big colug you're telling it to all these people. You've got to manage. This is one person. That's why I really think so far, I can't wait to watch the rest. I think it's terrible we said. But I'm the person who would say, oh my god, she knew and she was a swindler. I don't think so. I don't know why, even though I know it's a bunch of crazies in this raw vegan world. I know it intellectually, even though I know her ex husband got you know, didn't really necessarily pay people. Always starts businesses, then starts new ones with somebody else. He's got businesses all over the world. But I don't think he was a swindler either at all. I think he just was not a great business person. He's a creative, that homeless guy on the show that like, you know, I thought she was such a kind person. I don't know. I knew a girl that used to give her dog callnics and get acupuncture for her dog. In that alternative world, people can be freakish. I just don't know why. I'm just not black and white on this thing. I'm just not I just I can't. I'm fascinated by it and it's an interesting show. So that's where I stand nowhere where any of you would think, because you know I could be judgmental. I just I'm up. I don't understand. I'm just it's crazy staying in Vegas for a year. She couldn't pull herself out. Why didn' her family pull her? Because it's a hell. It's the only explanation if you're not gonna call your calling your parents and saying I love you and everything's fine, and sort of like she was sucked into the vortex. What do you I don't know. I want to hear what you guys think. A lot of you have said to me, please talk about this, so let's keep going if I have to. It's like a book club. If I have to redo my answer after watching the next few episodes, I will, But I'm just like mesmerized. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about that without getting it's too much detail about myself, but it's important for all of you. So I remember when do Me Moore was going through a divorce with Ashton, and I think, um, she just she just stayed quiet and stuff was coming out about her for a while, and I knew someone who was working with her, and it was frustrating for her to just stay quiet because you're just watching yourself get trashed and you haven't had your day and your voice yet. I have experienced that. I experienced that for year after year. I was the person who's obviously the villain, the successful, more you know, aggressive talker, and and there you know, the rich mogul and uh, the housewife. And there was so much going on behind the scenes that I had a gag order and I couldn't talk about because of my child. And I was very conflicted because I didn't want to talk about a lot of this stuff. First of all, I was free. I was going to lose custody or get sued or just you want to follow the rules. It's the same reason that all the me two people followed the rules. The assigned a document. This is the way the world went, and you just followed the rules. Phil When I first did a custody agreement, you had you just you got so tired. Any of you going through the divorce, if you're going through a custody agreement, you get so tired and you just will say and yes, yes, yes, whatever you want, just sign it. I can't do this anymore, right, So some of the things you'll sign would be like we'll not talk about this, will not put your daughter on Twitter like I didn't. That wasn't a specific thing. But I'm just saying, like fine, whatever. School, Like you just you can't fight all the battles, You can't kill all the roaches in Manhattan, and you just want to you believe what people tell you that eventually it won't matter because the kids get older and this is just a document, but you're not going to bide by most of it. I ended up being in a situation where the person used it as a weapon and used it against me, like every to the letter of everything, and you just felt a little trapped. And once things were happening that we're not acceptable and that were abusive and that we're not okay, I just ate it. I pushed it down and I was being silently tortured. And the truth is I was watching the headlines and hiding my head because knowing like people are thinking this, and people are thinking that, and who knows who's play racing it, and you know, and you're just hiding and it affects your career. It affected my career. I didn't I couldn't care that much because I was just trying to protect my child and not lose my mind. It was really really hard. But you there's no question about the fact that Johnny Depp being associated with abuse and these kind of allegations without having his day in court, that it's done severe damage to his career. There's no question about it. Okay, there is absolutely smoke and fire with both parties. That's an abusive, tumultuous relationship, I'm sure because you wouldn't tolerate some of that for more than a minute, so even just to be there. But I've been in situations where there's some shady stuff going on and you just convince yourself something else is going on, and you know you can't blame, you can't victim blame or anything like. The people can be in bad situations, men and women alike, by the way, but I have experienced stifling and then getting into court and then headlines being what's literally being said from their mouths, and it's really hard. My divorce was going on for so many years that I never got to say anything, and I still haven't said really much believe it or not considering what happened, because you battle between your kids and what they're going to hear and what women need to hear because it's important, just like with me too. So that's the struggle, Like do I come out and talk so I can help so many women in the world, But then my daughter hears things that would really be hurtful, be be you know, disillusioning for her. So I've chosen really to be very vague and to not say what's happened. It's a choice, and it's been a it's been a struggle. So this reminds me of that, only because this has been going on for so many years, these allegations, and now they're finally in court and things are coming out and people get to make their own decisions, and it may not it may be grayer than ever. It's not black and white because people I'm talking to go back and forth and aren't sure what they think, whose side there on, who they believe. It seems very very gray. But what is not gray is that there have been wages and careers potentially destroyed and possibly forever. Because it's hard to go back from what people think of you. I remember when I have my talk show, I interviewed Justin Bieber and some girls said he got her pregnant years ago, and everybody just thought it was true and it wasn't true. But then the ride that people go on and thinking it's true is relentless. It's voracious. The appetite for this, it's relentless. But the ride to like, oh that was that's not true is nothing. It's just like, oh, it's not true. Okay, But many people didn't hear that little part, that little blip. Many people are still remember the first part. So so many people remember my nasty divorce. I don't know that everyone remembers that little blip of what happened. And you know, when I got some vindication. But the ride to reputational destruction, you know, it is rough and then oh just sorry, We're sorry. It's attraction. Someone one said something horrible about me about the Forbes magazine article I was in and what sold my company for It looked like we I didn't even say I never had never said a number. It looked like Forbes was lying. It looked like a big scandal. But the apology was like two seconds long, and it was like I spent days of my life having a defense something that never even happened. So there is gray because there's substance abuse and just overall tumultuous relationship and dysfunction. And you remember back Johnny Depp trashed a hotel room when he was in a relationship with Winona writer. He trashed a hotel room. Is that relevant now? I don't know. I've never trashed a hotel room. And Amber heard who I sat next to in France one once at a restaurant. Uh. We don't know what motivates people. There are three sides to every story. And she stayed in that relationship with that person. Oh, I've been recorded, by the way a lot. I've been followed, I've been hacked, I've been recorded, and I've had someone say things to me in a very provocative way where you don't recognize how the person is speaking to you, and you're like, what's going on? And you and you think, oh God, I don't want them to know that. I know they're recording, but oh, they're recording. But that's why they're speaking in this way. That's a big thing too. You're recording someone, so you're showing your side of it. You've prepared to put the recorder on and say this is what happens. That's just something to consider. I like I said, I don't know neither and not none of you know, but you know more because you've watched the trial. I'm just saying, there are a lot of these things to think about. A person who's recording another person is producing their own short films, so we don't know what happened five minutes before or five minutes after. You know. The thing that's tricky is there's often one trusting person that never of things they could get to this point, so they can't possibly imagine how bad it is. So you can't imagine that someone would record you and try to use it against you. That being said, it's the first thing the lawyer says, and I hate to tell you that if you have something going on where there's abuse, or something's happening, or something's happening in front of your child, if someone is saying abusive things in front of your child, it's damaging and it's abuse to your child. A children listening to emotional abuse is abuse to children. I just want you to really understand that. And battles between adults custody battles in particular, and things like this that we're talking about, where there's like dysfunction and a home there's a situation where you're being abused mentally, emotionally, or your child's being used as a pawn, or they're being abused by way of you know, there have been things that I've heard. I know, I know you don't want to go with your mom. I know you don't want to go with your mom. I know you want to stay with that. I just recognize this stuff. It may sound crazy, like big deal, why am I going to record I know you don't want to go do my thata doesn't sound like give us repetition and things that happen over and over and patterns and things that you can track and things that you can write down and write emails about and have proof of correspondence about it and dates that things happen. That's very very helpful. Yeah, if you need to record something, you'll need to record something, make sure it's a state. You're doing it in a state where it's legal to record another person. By the way, because there are certain states where it's legal. In New York, you can record another person and it's legal. You and I could be having a conversation right now. You can be recording the whole conversation. You can do that with your boss, et cetera. In other states, it's illegal. In California, you cannot record another person. In New York it's a third party. You can't record to other people talking without them knowing that you recording their conversation. But I'm just saying, in these matters you need proof and pattern proof and patterns, dates, times, records, patterns and threads. People often find pockets, find abuse pockets. I'm gonna try this. This will drive them crazy with me. It was the same email over and over and over at the same thing. It could be about are you with other men? Are you with other men? I guess you're going out tonight. I guess you're going out hundreds of emails about individual topics, and then when they don't work or they don't get a rise, someone goes to another one. It could be mocking you, religious, it could be racist, it could be sexually. It could be saying you're fat. It could be saying you're useless and ugly and old or relevant. Whatever it is. I know it's happening to some of you. I know it has happened, and you have to be organized in the beginning because later you'll get anxiety and be like, oh ship, I didn't get at that time, so it sucks. And also know that someone could be recording you too. It's just sad to know that, but it's the truth. And when people start getting advice from other people and from lawyers, lawyers are there to make money for the most part, and lawyers will say things that are callous and cold that you can't image and like they might be recording you or you might want to record this, and you're like, what, they would never do this. I love this for you, Like they don't care, they don't care, They just they're same recorded. Because it all matters. It all matters. There's little things you don't think of. It all matters.