I am a natural food chef. I went to culinary school for Food and Healing in New York around two thousand one, and I went to a school that's no longer there. I didn't realize that, but it's called natural Gourmet. It wasn't really all vegetarian. There was a week of meat and chicken, but it was largely vegetarian and health conscious cooking for people who have food allergies, food intolerances, diabetes, cancer prevention foods. This was way ahead of its time too. Back in the day, I was very interested in food and healing, long before the world of plant based foods and everything being organic and being a natural food chef, long before wheat egg and dairy free and gluten free and celiac. That was not really a conversation back then at all. Soy milk was an alternative and that was really it, and some people would eat tofu. But this world of beyond and impossible burgers and plant based foods has really grown exponentially. Anyway, back then, I ate raw for a year, which is also very advanced. Being eating raw doesn't mean like eating raw meat and chicken, although some crazy people do that. It means a raw food diet where nothing is cooked over a hundred and I think it's like eight eight degrees. People differ on the degrees. People cook foods in a dehydrator specific type ovens to non cook these foods, people soak grains so then you can eat them. They're soft enough to eat. And it's raw nuts, not roasted nuts, and it's um, it's live, and it makes sense to me like they're live foods. But once you come off of a juice cleans or juice fast, you're supposed to start and break your fast, which is as important as the fast itself with live foods, And to me, it makes sense when you cook for your kids, if you're making broccoli, you'd rather be fresh. It's as close to alive as possible. And then if you flash steam it and it's still bright green versus being like mushy and gray green like when we were kids, it seems to me that it makes sense that it's more alive with nutrients. And the same thing like I never understand why someone would grill romaine, lettuce or peaches. It's just like a natural live fruit. So I cringe when I see people grill lettuce. I cringe myse people, grilled peaches. You can go on and on, and it's not that easy to always eat a row foods diet. But I did it for like a year, and I'm very knowledgeable about this, so probably about twice a year. Definitely, once I'll just feel a little sluggish. I may not be sleeping well, my skin like, it's not about breaking out, but it may just feel little dull, not alive, and I'll do a cleanse, a juice cleanse, which I just did, and I will definitely do another rant on that, because I know you're gonna want to hear about my juice cleans and detoxing um. But I did a juice cleanse, and then I often, after the juice cleans, decide to go vegan, but not in an obsessive way where if there was chicken broth in some food soup based I would freak out. I'm just not that obsessive about that type of stuff. But I'll do vegan to see how it makes me feel. And I don't really do a lot of dairy, so even in the morning, if I'll do almond milk or some sort of alternative milk, I often have that tickle and that congestion and it's really irritating, like you're blowing your nose. You wake up, your nose is dry. I don't know if any of you know that and have that experience. And it's not sinuses and it's not allergies, and it's just whatever it is, and it's maddening to me. So lens and then maybe something like going vegan is an interesting thing because once you go off a cleanse, you're almost doing like an elimination diet, where if you add back in let's say it's steak, and you just feel really tired or really gross and you've been eating nothing, no animal, then you know that maybe it's the stake. If you simply that, just initially, just add back in. Let's pretend it's dairy and you start to feel sniffley, then you'll kind of be able to see. The point is where you do a cleanse, it's like a blank canvas, so you can individually see how does caffeine affect my body, How does sugar affect my body? How does alcohol affect my body? So it's a great way to have a blank slate to be experimental. So I decided to quote unquote go vegan, and it has to have been like a month now, and it can be annoying. Your stomach can get like sort of like you know, like gas paints because you're going to a restaurant. They have nothing that's vegan except for like vegetables. You get like a side of this vegetable, a salad. It's redundant. You just want to be eating the New York Strip steak, and you know you're telling everybody no butter, which you should do anyway. Saute with olive oil. That's fine, but I will say that you sort of feel full from all this food you're reading, but not really full. And sometimes I do the vegan quote unquote junk food thing, like the frozen faux wings or whatever. If there's a food that's not like from the earth and not natural and is an ingredients, you can pronounce it's junk food even if it's vegetarian, even if it's vegan. But I really wanted to stick to it, so I said, Paul, I've been doing this for three weeks, and you tell me if there's anything different, because there's a steak on this menu and I want to buy there's lobster and bacon and blue cheese and avocado and egg on that lobster cob that I'm crying over. So somebody needs to tell me something besides that I'm not congested, which I haven't been too so I don't you know, So I just stay on this thing whatever. This thing isn't forever how long? And I love animals, and I wish I could say it's only about the animals, but and it really is, because I get freaked out when I see when I just think about the animals, and the dairy is supposed to be even worse. And that's sort of a more humane conversation for another time. And I do think about that, and then the hypocrisy because I do have leather, and so there's a whole conflict with that whole conversation, and we can have that conversation for another day also, But as far as I like not having the congestion, and Paul said, skin looks really good, and now I have good skin, I don't break out, but he's like, I don't know, it just looks like more alive, you look more youthful, You just look fresh. And he said it to me a couple of times on FaceTime from Boston, like you look young right now, and someone else said that to me. Now, I've also been sleeping very well lately, but I think that's also as a result of this. I wasn't in the beginning, but now I'm kidding my stride and I'm having very deep, clean sleep. Imagine if I also didn't drink alcohol, which definitely hasn't been happening, but not been drinking a ton. So today I get my makeup done by my makeup artist because I had day oppressed, and he says, your skin is amazing. I'm like, well, I had a facial last week. He's like, yeah, but you always you know, I've seen you before since you had a facial. So he said, no, what's going on. You didn't change your skin products. I'm like, no, not at all. He said it must be the vegan thing. So I have to say, if the animal cruelty thing is not your motivation, maybe think about trying it just for decongestion. Skin, sleep youthfulness sort of makes you think more about drinking water. So I'm kind of I'm gonna keep documenting how I feel. What do you think have you ever thought about a vegan lifestyle? My guest today is Jim Kramer, host of Mad Money on CNBC, where he helps viewers navigate the confusing world of Wall Street investing. He's a former hedge fund manager, as well as an author and a co founder of the street dot Com. Today, we talk about why you need to embrace low points to grow, the importance of taking a break for joyous creativity, how you need to be relentless when starting your business, and why getting comfortable with projection helps you succeed. I love talking with Jim, and I think you're gonna love this episode. He is very interesting, very unique, and he has a lot to say. Hi, Hi, how are you good? Okay, So how's your day today? I mean, just its jordinary because it's joted. Last night at this U mere our restaurant where I was dining with some friends, and I got very, very exciting because ever real lies. I am now two days from vacation, my first vacation of the year, and I am so excited because we all need time off if we're gonna do great. A lot of people feel like the secret is to never take vacation totally wrong, and you must you if you believe in that, you must you must agree with me because there's a lot of strivers self made thousand aires want to be self made millionaires like you who think that the secret is never taking time off. It's just the opposite. By the way, it's so funny that you say that, because I always say when you relax and you sit back and you retreat, that's when the good ideas come. Like when you give yourself a space, that's when you declutter your mind and you get the good ideas. This is so, and I'll tell you something else. But then I am absolutely convinced that the week before you go on vacation is the week when you start questioning your self existent should I be doing this? Am I doing the right thing? I'm really tired of what I'm doing. No, you're tired of being tired that who you are, and you will be so fired up that you will do the best stuff you've ever done. Well. I heard that Serena Williams said that to her husband because she used the metaphor about being a professional athlete that you need to let your muscles rest in order to perform. So for someone like you, who's on all the time and so high energy and has to be analytical and in the weeds. You literally have to be in the weeds. But I would imagine you some you have to take yourself out to get the macro perspective. You're in the micro perspective with individual stocks and investments, but then don't you have to get to the macro perspective of the state of the world and what trends are and the highs and the lows. I think that when I step aside from the day to day grind, I find out what's going on away from me in a way that is joyous. I mean, we will probably be talking. I can envision being with my fabulous mother and father in law and then asking me about what I think about Biden and the environment, and I will say I don't know. I mean, I'll tell you this box of so and so, no being saving trees, getting the ocean clean. Things I really care about that I don't think about because they seem to not be important to my day to day but are so important to the earth and you and I know we have to do something about. My question is what is your personal relationship to money, Like growing up, how did you financially grow up? Did you have money noise anxieties? Your parents have money, noise, anxiety. They's still a work ethic. You have to make money and be successful. What is your background and relationship with money? I think there was a clock. It was one of those old fashioned clocks, little rounded thing was on the bureau in my parents bed, and it was a war zone. It was a war zone because there was a ten underneath it or five. My father, when he left the five knew that he couldn't make ends. Me and my mom would have to buy chop sterling for every night, or hot dogs. The ten meant that we could have steak in chicken. In the battle over the five versus the ten was horrendous. One every day we heard it. It depressed us, but we realized what it was about. It was about my father coming home having sold no boxes and bags. He was selling, He sold games, he sold carpet, then he sold boxes and bags for retailers. And when he came home and went right into his bedroom and slammed the door, my mother would say, go do your homework, and we would say what happened, and she would just say, go do your homework. And that meant that my father had no sales. And when we watched Death of a salesman as a family with late v Jacob. It was embarrassing because he had the same route that my father had, the exact same route, and just to be shut out, to come home and have nothing that day, nothing to bring home the five star Philadelphia bulletin, but no worders meant the five er was gonna be underneath the clock and the war would start again and again and again. Wow. So that's like real serious motivation. So you kind of had no choice but to go make money. You're in a figure out a way. I said, that's it. I am not gonna let this happen to me. I have a single minded goal to be rich. The point that my mother was repulsed. My mother, mother was dying of cancer in she said, who have you? What have you become? You're an artist, you were a writer. Who are you? Who are you at Goldman Sex? Who are you to talk about how much money you made at the dinner table? What's happened to you? And I said, Mom, I'm not fighting over the five or ten. I don't want to fight over the five or ten. Wow. So but so so many people want to be rich. So you went to a good school, You went to Harvard, So you were smart. So somebody wants to be rich, how do you tell people to go do it? And I don't mean what you do for a living, but is the mindset and the journey and the approach. All right? My father was a salesman, and I said, I want to get rich. I had lived in my car. That was an unfortunate time when I was a homicide reporter. We can go there, but where I really realized I need to get rich. But I I envisioned myself on a trading desk initially when I went to Goldman Sacks after Harvard Law. And then I realized, now I'm gonna be like my dad. I'm gonna be a salesperson, but I'm gonna be successful as a salesperson. Not to show my dad was still alive. It was still alive at the time that he didn't know what he was doing. But to show him that he put me on the right path. I just figured out how to do it. I read every one of those books about how to be a salesperson, every one of those those seal belt books, and they just told you how to have confidence. I've had Deale Carnegie for having say, um, I how to have confidence, how to cold call, how to not be rejected, how to not feel rejected, how to make it so that when you said absolutely not, that meant maybe. Um. And then I taught sales at Goldman and sales is being relentless. Uh. There was a character Bud Fox in movie Wall Street. The person who did the movie interviewed me extensively. I brought flowers to the secretaries who were the gatekeepers. I endlessly flattered people when I found out their birthdays. I was relentless. You could not turn me down, and I got the order. So it was all about getting the order. And then later on I taught it, and then I managed. I managed the money because I had knocked on enough doors. And then you know, when I saw I would go to town small towns, uh binghamton Um, you know, towns like Chemung, Chamung County where you know, you know, because where Mark Twain lived, and I would go and look at the obituaries in the local paper, see who died, who might have been wealthy, and wait a few weeks and then called wow to manage the money. Here's what's interesting, because I talked about this so much. Here for people who want to figure their way out. What's interesting is that every person who's successful, no one's bringing up bells and whistles or new things or Instagram or filters or any bullshit. Everybody brings up old school hard work. You're talking about Dale Carnegie. You're talking about stuff that fifty years ago. If you if your dad had taken five courses and done sales in a different way, he would have been rich. So you're taught. Everybody. Everybody has these tools that you're talking about, which are just set yourself up for success. And what I always say is everybody's accessible. You can find a way to get to somebody. It's the way that you do it. If you're talking about the flowers the birthday for me, it was cookies. For me, it's connecting, follow up email, finding way in through the garage. So I like what you're saying because it's comforting two people, and to me to tell people you could be sixty five and be successful. Now. You don't have to be a young kid who's a gen Z or a millennial that you knows all these tricks, because tricks will not make you. Tricks might get you in the door, Tricks might be getting on TV. But you will not be really successful unless you have these old school principles. So I appreciate you saying that, because that's what people need to hear, and it's the truth. But then you've come up with things brilliant, things skinny, brilliant, but it's an extension of how hard you were. It was not something that you woke up and said, I've got it, Eureka. How many Mark Circer works other I don't even if you want to be Mark Circer wroop, although I found a lighter side of them. Believe it or not, it is absolutely great to be a SANBC disruptor where you have come up with something that basically makes something else just say irrelevant, obsoleted. But how about just getting up really early, setting the alarm early, practicing, looking in the mirror about how you're going to handle the jetten, and just doing it with a smile, Start on the thirty floor of a thirty story building, and knock on every door that had anything like equity, anything like lt D. I didn't invent a thing, you executed. You executed. You brought up Mark Zuckerberg. And let's pretend that the wink of us twins did have that idea, why the way I live next door to me that they're really nice, but they didn't execute the way he did. He's Mark Zuckerberg. So like the Skinny Girl MARGARITEA was a great idea, don't get it twisted. It was a great idea, but it was the execution. Five. If I gave that idea away, who cares? It was the execution. I almost failed fifty times. We didn't have glass, we didn't have a gove like. It was a pain in the ass, but I had to just jam it through. Like you're talking, I didn't stop. I was relentless. So you're talking about old school principles. It wasn't that I had the best graphic designer to put up a post. We didn't even post then. So that's interesting. So you're, um, you've obviously had successes and you've definitely had failures. So what has been your biggest success and your biggest failure, your biggest hit, and your biggest shame in your career? Okay, that's good, that's good. My biggest failure in life. I remember Karen asking me what was my worldview? Uh? And I didn't know what worldview meant? And she said, idiot, what do you think is gonna happen over the six and nine months? I said, how do I know? She just watch your job, got envision and then you can pick stocks for six to nine months. But if you don't have a world view, you're clueless. I don't want to deal with someone clueless. And she used to leave me things in research, like page twenty nine. It would say, meet me at uh Texarcana tonight. Well, you know, when you're young and in love, it's dying. Oh white wow. But you had the capability to listen to know what you didn't know. In business, you need to know what you know and know what you don't know. I mean, there's so much that I don't know, and I don't know that I have a big world view either. I know what I know, but I look around for other people. I just do what I know. Are you secretive about your own personal investments? Like? Do you? In other words? You know when I was a kid, I grew up at the race track, and if I because I had had a family of horse trainers, and if I would go up to the betting window, people would want to bet when I was betting, so and that's a responsibility and obviously you're telling people, but are there's some things you keep for yourself because they're risky or you don't want to tell people. Are you totally transparent about how you're investing? How does that work? I'm totally transparent because I'm not allowed to invest. I can't own anything, so yeah, I mean you're not allowed to invest in anything. Personally. I never, I've never thought of that. Sorry if that makes me stupid, I literally know it's okay. Most people think that I'm secretly investing. If you don't listen to John Stewart, you thought I was secretly, Oh no, I literally never. I don't know this world that openly. And when I buy a house, I tell people, and you know, I am happy to tell people because I'd like to think that I know what's right. But I don't want anyone think that I take advantage of my show to make any so I don't earn anything. Well, this is fascinating. You think you would have made more money in the market or in television if if you had, if they were, you know, too much more money in there. That's what I think. That's so interesting. Never be able to even come nearer but I used to make every year. Then why did you? Why do you love doing the television so much? If it's got so much risk, personal, public scrutiny, risk, and you wanted to be rich that was your goal. That's so interesting to make. I got rich. I got to where I had. I promised my mom on a deathbed that when I got there, i'd stopped and go be an artist, Go be a writer. And I write every night. I write about seven thousand words at night. I do it. My mom would have loved it. She would have said, Jimmy, Jimmy got to where he had to go with the money, and he went back to who he really was, which was an entertainer who tries to get people to own stocks and learn how to do it. I fulfilled my father's vision of making a killing, and then I fulfilled my mother's vision of once I had made the killing, of doing something good, given money away, being really societal and trying to change things. At this point, it's E S. G is holding feet c CEOs to the fire. What are you doing about the environment, What are you doing for quality? What are you doing from inclusion? So I've satisfied both my mom. Okay, do you still get nervous about things you're telling people to invest in and like the roses and the thorns, like the things that are gonna work at aren't And what percentage? What percentage do you right and wrong? Well, you know, I have taken big themes, and my biggest theme is I created an acronym called fang and I have urged everyone since Facebook came public and went to eighteen to own Facebook, tone Amazon for since I don't know, for seventeen years, to own Netflix when I first watched Netflix and it was just gets tone. Google the day came public at eighty eight to recommend Apple a five. And those are my core principal stocks. And I returned to them and returned to them, and people say they're boring, Jim, That's all you do is return to them. I say, go to hell the right and then periodically all of others like in video that really are terrific, and then I'll make forward right now. Then I'll make a lot of mistakes. But the fact is is that my core stocks, Uh, if you bet against me, you were crushed always the little people on Twitter, so oh, I took the other side of a Kramer said their chowder heads and sunshine nothings, And I don't mind calling them out because I'm from Philadelphia and I just don't care. I come right back at you, just like everybody in Philly. We come right back at you. So don't you dare come into our zone? Don't you dare? Is your investment style, if your personal investments that would be conservative or aggressive? Oh? Conservative? I mean I'm I I think that give it my age. I can't afford to be aggressive anymore. It's too risky. I got a wife, I've got kids, I've got responsibilities. I don't want them. I don't want to make it so that they have so much money that they don't they don't look. I want them to fight over the fifth year of the hundred, over the under the clock, not the five or the ten. But I want them all to work hard, and I want them all to to realize and get the pride of work. But I also meant at the age where it would really be silly. As I used to tell people at Goldman Sacks, you only need to get rich ones. That's so true. And where where are you on shorting stocks in your mind? Like as a principle, is that don't is that that in the don't pass line? I mean, look at this game stop. If you had shorted that, you wiped out AMC. Now now it's shorting is too risky for for the people who who watched my show, But what about just any person? Just no, you're not a fan of shorting stocks because it's unlimited losses and it's arrogance to some degree. You think you're smart in the market, and there are things obviously that are frauds, but you better have your your you better really have it down. And for my audience, that's too hard. It's not fair. Okay, what percentage are you lucky? We're percentage smart? Well, first of all, it's better to be lucky than good. Okay, but what are you? Oprah? Once they asked me to come on her show and talk about how lucky it was. And I get up between three thirty four every day to study, and I studied to a webin at night in between shows. I do it so I can be better than everybody else. I can't always, but my homework is my craft, and my craft gives me confidence, and my confidence makes me be a lot more right than well, it's amazing and people must come up to you on the street forgetting just being famous, telling you their personal stories about I invested this in this and I bought a house or love it, Oh you do love it. It It happens a lot right up to me last night at dinner saying that she had basically I made a ton of money watching watching the show, wanted to thank me, and it's very grateful. Just had done quite well in life by watching the show, and I was thrilled. I get a lot more of those, and I get people who like the people who hide beyond whatever silly moniker they have on Twitter, who say I am an idiot because I recommended Apple and I went from one. So yeah, I'm proud of that. I've made a lot of people out of money. And you could say, well, it's anecdotal, but after sixteen years it's empirical, or I wouldn't be one right in the hook. No one's been able to really duplicate it, which is really interesting because everything is a remix. So what is your personal family life like and how do you try to be present in that and be so connected to what you're doing, and how does it all fit have a split family. I think it's been as good as it can be. Obviously, nobody gets married to get divorced. We all went together to St. Lucian for Christmas vacation. I had a great time my ex wife, my wife, her ex husband, their kids, my kids, they're significant others, and it was an amazing time, a time where we do things together. This is our third time doing it. And uh, you want everyone to get along. You can't always because obviously there were reasons why you got divorced. But I would say one of my four or five best friends is my wife's ex husband. Wow, that's nice. I think he's a sensational guy. Bill. Oh, you're current your's your second marriage and your current wife's ex husband. And so you're good at blending. You're good at blending, you're good at into personal relationships. It sounds well, yeah, how can you not be? Bill is fantastic, And um, I remember our we had a we had at our wedding. My sister said, look at those two. Those two are having the greatest time. I want to meet them. I've never seen my sol. I'll bring him over. And she said to Bill, she said, wow, you are having the best time. What's your relation? Why are you here? And Bill said, oh, I'm the d my boy. That's my ex wife out there. And my sister said, you're at your ex wife wedding and he said, I wouldn't miss it for the world. That's beautiful. So you're doing something right. How much to their kids love that. I'm hoping to go voting with him this weekend. I just got my wife and new whaler. Uh we go out Father's Day for our son, who loves that. I do call him our I know he's my stepson, but I love him to death. I love his sister to death. They are the greatest. They treat me so well. It always gives me puts me a smile on my face. I want my kids. You know my kids are you know, they're not as as contibual. Um, but they had a great time on the on the trip, and I own a couple of restaurants and they both like to go by the restaurants, which is fantastic. But my my oldest teaches English and Madrid, so you don't get to see him nearly as much as i'd like. Well, um, I've had many different people on here that are very successful. Well, the metric here or the sort of filter is to have started from the bottom and be here in your own non traditional way. Uh. And I'm really proud of the people because it's like I've kept it really tight. I want like people with stories like yours. But I also ask these very successful people who are often married or in relationships with other successful people. So we talk about successful relationships. So just because your divorce doesn't mean you're not you know, you don't have to have a successful relationship. So what does a successful relationship require? Does it require along leash? Does it require total acceptance? Does it require Uh? If it's important to you, it's important to me. What are your what's your prescription for that? If you have one? Obviously that's in love. But there's that goes without saying space space age. I never sold my house, She never sold her house. Monday nights and Thursday nights are nights with my kids or with my butts always since the day we met? Interesting and when was that? How long ago is that? To this? Five? Okay? He Um is with her girlfriends. She has her group. I love them. I have my group, she loves them. But I have my time and she has her time. We are never on top of each other. We are people who give the other person the opportunity to lead their lives as they were before, as they always wanted. And when you take that out of the equation, they're like, hey, I don't get to spend any time X or go to the ball game. Why your love life is is enhanced from mattath Okay, I want to say something to you. This is the secret that no one talks about. This is the secret that no one's telling young people getting married because I'm now asking every person on here who's successful and has a major career, So that makes it more challenging because they're divided. And I'm telling you this this long leash and space concept where there are different quadrants. So I'm with my daughter, then I'm with my fiance alone, then we're all together with all the kids, and then he's buying himself with his Like there's quadrants and it's a dirty secret that no one wants to say. People need space because when you get together, you become one person. You're almost codependent. What are we doing? What are we doing for dinner? What are we doing this weekend? And you feel like it's wrong if you don't want to do something, and you want the other person to be what you want them to be. I'm if you're with somebody who's the boring one and you're the crazy one, you look at them like, why are you boring? I can go find excitement on my own, with my own other quadrants. So what you're saying is super important and no one talks about it. My wife loves to go to Quog little town, uh long On and I garden there. I love it. It's terrific. I love the Philadelphia Eagles, you know what I mean. I just love them like always. I mean, it doesn't matter. And I go to those games and no one's gonna stop me. I never missed the game. She gets to go to Quog. I get to go to my games. I love it when she goes. But if she doesn't, I understand. And I'm with my I'm with my friends, and that space is so important. Everyone told me i'd sell my house. Everyone told her she she would sell her house. We kept our houses. We know where to go and we have I mean, look, everyone's going to say, well, this is ridiculous, but it's true. We don't fight. Well no, but Jamie, uh Jamie Simonov who created the ring told me they don't think about the optics of their relationship. They don't think about what it's supposed to be, whether she's traveling, he's traveling. So that's what you're saying. So I literally, I'm going to write this whole recipe book on this successful relationship thing because I think I'm onto something here. I'm learning so much and it's all different. It's as non traditional as the way that you came up in business and as how you make your limits. Oh, you have to do it. I cannot wait to see my wife on Tuesday night. I don't get to see your mind tonight. But if she ground you, if she ground you into being with her, you would not feel that same way. It would feel like an albatross. And I get what you're saying completely. So I love this. This is good. This is amazing. Take away. We went to a dinner uh and Mark Bennie Ops. It was a terrific businessman built salesforce. Uh. It was late lunch and we had to go around the room and it was all his board and a lot of famous people including say Tony Robbins was there, you know. I mean, guys, it's more people, and they went around the room and had to say what they were, and uh, they we're all, I mean, there wasn't this person that wasn't a Titan. And they get to my wife and my wife says, I'm the CEO of this guy and she points to me. Brought the house down, but true, he's the CEO of me. And she pencils me in to be with friends on Monday night and Thursday night. Fascinating. You're amazing. We've had some great people on here, you Hallary Clinton, Chelsea Handler, Matthew McConaughey. People show. I mean, it's blowout. So I'm honored to be in your show. It's just total blowout. Thank you. I know. I'm trying to keep it like lean and and on brand And if you know anybody who you think is should appropriate to be on the show. You know, we've even had but it's not all famous people. We've had the guy from General Catalyst, people that you would know of that other people wouldn't know. The guy who created Kind, Daniel Lebski, so, oh my god. Kind. The CFO was that we hand the department. Uh, my wife lost real estate and the CFO was from Kind and I said, pay let us, please, let them pay us in kind. I want stock and said, no, you don't do that, it's real estate. I didn't know. I want chair, so I want points in kind. She said, Now he really doesn't want to do that. What a company? Crazy? But I mean crazy. So if you know anybody, throw them over here. If you've somebody who's start, you know, I'm molling right now. I know what you mean. Titans like you just said, tighten your shows about people having within themselves success well, and and everybody likes coming on here because I don't. I'm not asking you to talk. You can talk whatever you want. I'm not asking about scandal. I'm not trying to got you. I want to understand who you are, how you did it, how you think, what your father said, what your mother said, which you really It's just a real conversation. So I'm obsessed with this. I love it. So if you think of anybody, let me know. But you were amazing and your time is obviously so valuable, and I hope you have the best vacation. Well, thank you for coming on and have the best time on your vacation, and say hello to your family the best. Thank you so much. Awesome, great, that was Jim Kramer. That was interesting, that was different, That was telling I love guests who are willing to completely reveal themselves, tell personal information, insight just to help you. I thought it was really a special conversation. And I just every day I learned something here and I just sit down, I'm like, all right, what's this conversation going to actually be like? And then it goes on this journey and I end up really becoming alive and just electrifi. So it always motivates my day to have his awesome conversations. Thank you for listening, Grate, review and subscribe. I appreciate you. Just Be is hosted an executive produced by me Bethany Frankel. Just Be is a production of the Real Productions and I Heart Radio. Our Managing Producer is Fiona Smith and our producer is Stephanie Sender. Our EP is Morgan Leavoy. To catch more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram and just Be with Bethany

I am a natural food chef. I went to culinary school for Food and Healing in New York around two thousand one, and I went to a school that's no longer there. I didn't realize that, but it's called natural Gourmet. It wasn't really all vegetarian. There was a week of meat and chicken, but it was largely vegetarian and health conscious cooking for people who have food allergies, food intolerances, diabetes, cancer prevention foods. This was way ahead of its time too. Back in the day, I was very interested in food and healing, long before the world of plant based foods and everything being organic and being a natural food chef, long before wheat egg and dairy free and gluten free and celiac. That was not really a conversation back then at all. Soy milk was an alternative and that was really it, and some people would eat tofu. But this world of beyond and impossible burgers and plant based foods has really grown exponentially. Anyway, back then, I ate raw for a year, which is also very advanced. Being eating raw doesn't mean like eating raw meat and chicken, although some crazy people do that. It means a raw food diet where nothing is cooked over a hundred and I think it's like eight eight degrees. People differ on the degrees. People cook foods in a dehydrator specific type ovens to non cook these foods, people soak grains so then you can eat them. They're soft enough to eat. And it's raw nuts, not roasted nuts, and it's um, it's live, and it makes sense to me like they're live foods. But once you come off of a juice cleans or juice fast, you're supposed to start and break your fast, which is as important as the fast itself with live foods, And to me, it makes sense when you cook for your kids, if you're making broccoli, you'd rather be fresh. It's as close to alive as possible. And then if you flash steam it and it's still bright green versus being like mushy and gray green like when we were kids, it seems to me that it makes sense that it's more alive with nutrients. And the same thing like I never understand why someone would grill romaine, lettuce or peaches. It's just like a natural live fruit. So I cringe when I see people grill lettuce. I cringe myse people, grilled peaches. You can go on and on, and it's not that easy to always eat a row foods diet. But I did it for like a year, and I'm very knowledgeable about this, so probably about twice a year. Definitely, once I'll just feel a little sluggish. I may not be sleeping well, my skin like, it's not about breaking out, but it may just feel little dull, not alive, and I'll do a cleanse, a juice cleanse, which I just did, and I will definitely do another rant on that, because I know you're gonna want to hear about my juice cleans and detoxing um. But I did a juice cleanse, and then I often, after the juice cleans, decide to go vegan, but not in an obsessive way where if there was chicken broth in some food soup based I would freak out. I'm just not that obsessive about that type of stuff. But I'll do vegan to see how it makes me feel. And I don't really do a lot of dairy, so even in the morning, if I'll do almond milk or some sort of alternative milk, I often have that tickle and that congestion and it's really irritating, like you're blowing your nose. You wake up, your nose is dry. I don't know if any of you know that and have that experience. And it's not sinuses and it's not allergies, and it's just whatever it is, and it's maddening to me. So lens and then maybe something like going vegan is an interesting thing because once you go off a cleanse, you're almost doing like an elimination diet, where if you add back in let's say it's steak, and you just feel really tired or really gross and you've been eating nothing, no animal, then you know that maybe it's the stake. If you simply that, just initially, just add back in. Let's pretend it's dairy and you start to feel sniffley, then you'll kind of be able to see. The point is where you do a cleanse, it's like a blank canvas, so you can individually see how does caffeine affect my body, How does sugar affect my body? How does alcohol affect my body? So it's a great way to have a blank slate to be experimental. So I decided to quote unquote go vegan, and it has to have been like a month now, and it can be annoying. Your stomach can get like sort of like you know, like gas paints because you're going to a restaurant. They have nothing that's vegan except for like vegetables. You get like a side of this vegetable, a salad. It's redundant. You just want to be eating the New York Strip steak, and you know you're telling everybody no butter, which you should do anyway. Saute with olive oil. That's fine, but I will say that you sort of feel full from all this food you're reading, but not really full. And sometimes I do the vegan quote unquote junk food thing, like the frozen faux wings or whatever. If there's a food that's not like from the earth and not natural and is an ingredients, you can pronounce it's junk food even if it's vegetarian, even if it's vegan. But I really wanted to stick to it, so I said, Paul, I've been doing this for three weeks, and you tell me if there's anything different, because there's a steak on this menu and I want to buy there's lobster and bacon and blue cheese and avocado and egg on that lobster cob that I'm crying over. So somebody needs to tell me something besides that I'm not congested, which I haven't been too so I don't you know, So I just stay on this thing whatever. This thing isn't forever how long? And I love animals, and I wish I could say it's only about the animals, but and it really is, because I get freaked out when I see when I just think about the animals, and the dairy is supposed to be even worse. And that's sort of a more humane conversation for another time. And I do think about that, and then the hypocrisy because I do have leather, and so there's a whole conflict with that whole conversation, and we can have that conversation for another day also, But as far as I like not having the congestion, and Paul said, skin looks really good, and now I have good skin, I don't break out, but he's like, I don't know, it just looks like more alive, you look more youthful, You just look fresh. And he said it to me a couple of times on FaceTime from Boston, like you look young right now, and someone else said that to me. Now, I've also been sleeping very well lately, but I think that's also as a result of this. I wasn't in the beginning, but now I'm kidding my stride and I'm having very deep, clean sleep. Imagine if I also didn't drink alcohol, which definitely hasn't been happening, but not been drinking a ton. So today I get my makeup done by my makeup artist because I had day oppressed, and he says, your skin is amazing. I'm like, well, I had a facial last week. He's like, yeah, but you always you know, I've seen you before since you had a facial. So he said, no, what's going on. You didn't change your skin products. I'm like, no, not at all. He said it must be the vegan thing. So I have to say, if the animal cruelty thing is not your motivation, maybe think about trying it just for decongestion. Skin, sleep youthfulness sort of makes you think more about drinking water. So I'm kind of I'm gonna keep documenting how I feel. What do you think have you ever thought about a vegan lifestyle? My guest today is Jim Kramer, host of Mad Money on CNBC, where he helps viewers navigate the confusing world of Wall Street investing. He's a former hedge fund manager, as well as an author and a co founder of the street dot Com. Today, we talk about why you need to embrace low points to grow, the importance of taking a break for joyous creativity, how you need to be relentless when starting your business, and why getting comfortable with projection helps you succeed. I love talking with Jim, and I think you're gonna love this episode. He is very interesting, very unique, and he has a lot to say. Hi, Hi, how are you good? Okay, So how's your day today? I mean, just its jordinary because it's joted. Last night at this U mere our restaurant where I was dining with some friends, and I got very, very exciting because ever real lies. I am now two days from vacation, my first vacation of the year, and I am so excited because we all need time off if we're gonna do great. A lot of people feel like the secret is to never take vacation totally wrong, and you must you if you believe in that, you must you must agree with me because there's a lot of strivers self made thousand aires want to be self made millionaires like you who think that the secret is never taking time off. It's just the opposite. By the way, it's so funny that you say that, because I always say when you relax and you sit back and you retreat, that's when the good ideas come. Like when you give yourself a space, that's when you declutter your mind and you get the good ideas. This is so, and I'll tell you something else. But then I am absolutely convinced that the week before you go on vacation is the week when you start questioning your self existent should I be doing this? Am I doing the right thing? I'm really tired of what I'm doing. No, you're tired of being tired that who you are, and you will be so fired up that you will do the best stuff you've ever done. Well. I heard that Serena Williams said that to her husband because she used the metaphor about being a professional athlete that you need to let your muscles rest in order to perform. So for someone like you, who's on all the time and so high energy and has to be analytical and in the weeds. You literally have to be in the weeds. But I would imagine you some you have to take yourself out to get the macro perspective. You're in the micro perspective with individual stocks and investments, but then don't you have to get to the macro perspective of the state of the world and what trends are and the highs and the lows. I think that when I step aside from the day to day grind, I find out what's going on away from me in a way that is joyous. I mean, we will probably be talking. I can envision being with my fabulous mother and father in law and then asking me about what I think about Biden and the environment, and I will say I don't know. I mean, I'll tell you this box of so and so, no being saving trees, getting the ocean clean. Things I really care about that I don't think about because they seem to not be important to my day to day but are so important to the earth and you and I know we have to do something about. My question is what is your personal relationship to money, Like growing up, how did you financially grow up? Did you have money noise anxieties? Your parents have money, noise, anxiety. They's still a work ethic. You have to make money and be successful. What is your background and relationship with money? I think there was a clock. It was one of those old fashioned clocks, little rounded thing was on the bureau in my parents bed, and it was a war zone. It was a war zone because there was a ten underneath it or five. My father, when he left the five knew that he couldn't make ends. Me and my mom would have to buy chop sterling for every night, or hot dogs. The ten meant that we could have steak in chicken. In the battle over the five versus the ten was horrendous. One every day we heard it. It depressed us, but we realized what it was about. It was about my father coming home having sold no boxes and bags. He was selling, He sold games, he sold carpet, then he sold boxes and bags for retailers. And when he came home and went right into his bedroom and slammed the door, my mother would say, go do your homework, and we would say what happened, and she would just say, go do your homework. And that meant that my father had no sales. And when we watched Death of a salesman as a family with late v Jacob. It was embarrassing because he had the same route that my father had, the exact same route, and just to be shut out, to come home and have nothing that day, nothing to bring home the five star Philadelphia bulletin, but no worders meant the five er was gonna be underneath the clock and the war would start again and again and again. Wow. So that's like real serious motivation. So you kind of had no choice but to go make money. You're in a figure out a way. I said, that's it. I am not gonna let this happen to me. I have a single minded goal to be rich. The point that my mother was repulsed. My mother, mother was dying of cancer in she said, who have you? What have you become? You're an artist, you were a writer. Who are you? Who are you at Goldman Sex? Who are you to talk about how much money you made at the dinner table? What's happened to you? And I said, Mom, I'm not fighting over the five or ten. I don't want to fight over the five or ten. Wow. So but so so many people want to be rich. So you went to a good school, You went to Harvard, So you were smart. So somebody wants to be rich, how do you tell people to go do it? And I don't mean what you do for a living, but is the mindset and the journey and the approach. All right? My father was a salesman, and I said, I want to get rich. I had lived in my car. That was an unfortunate time when I was a homicide reporter. We can go there, but where I really realized I need to get rich. But I I envisioned myself on a trading desk initially when I went to Goldman Sacks after Harvard Law. And then I realized, now I'm gonna be like my dad. I'm gonna be a salesperson, but I'm gonna be successful as a salesperson. Not to show my dad was still alive. It was still alive at the time that he didn't know what he was doing. But to show him that he put me on the right path. I just figured out how to do it. I read every one of those books about how to be a salesperson, every one of those those seal belt books, and they just told you how to have confidence. I've had Deale Carnegie for having say, um, I how to have confidence, how to cold call, how to not be rejected, how to not feel rejected, how to make it so that when you said absolutely not, that meant maybe. Um. And then I taught sales at Goldman and sales is being relentless. Uh. There was a character Bud Fox in movie Wall Street. The person who did the movie interviewed me extensively. I brought flowers to the secretaries who were the gatekeepers. I endlessly flattered people when I found out their birthdays. I was relentless. You could not turn me down, and I got the order. So it was all about getting the order. And then later on I taught it, and then I managed. I managed the money because I had knocked on enough doors. And then you know, when I saw I would go to town small towns, uh binghamton Um, you know, towns like Chemung, Chamung County where you know, you know, because where Mark Twain lived, and I would go and look at the obituaries in the local paper, see who died, who might have been wealthy, and wait a few weeks and then called wow to manage the money. Here's what's interesting, because I talked about this so much. Here for people who want to figure their way out. What's interesting is that every person who's successful, no one's bringing up bells and whistles or new things or Instagram or filters or any bullshit. Everybody brings up old school hard work. You're talking about Dale Carnegie. You're talking about stuff that fifty years ago. If you if your dad had taken five courses and done sales in a different way, he would have been rich. So you're taught. Everybody. Everybody has these tools that you're talking about, which are just set yourself up for success. And what I always say is everybody's accessible. You can find a way to get to somebody. It's the way that you do it. If you're talking about the flowers the birthday for me, it was cookies. For me, it's connecting, follow up email, finding way in through the garage. So I like what you're saying because it's comforting two people, and to me to tell people you could be sixty five and be successful. Now. You don't have to be a young kid who's a gen Z or a millennial that you knows all these tricks, because tricks will not make you. Tricks might get you in the door, Tricks might be getting on TV. But you will not be really successful unless you have these old school principles. So I appreciate you saying that, because that's what people need to hear, and it's the truth. But then you've come up with things brilliant, things skinny, brilliant, but it's an extension of how hard you were. It was not something that you woke up and said, I've got it, Eureka. How many Mark Circer works other I don't even if you want to be Mark Circer wroop, although I found a lighter side of them. Believe it or not, it is absolutely great to be a SANBC disruptor where you have come up with something that basically makes something else just say irrelevant, obsoleted. But how about just getting up really early, setting the alarm early, practicing, looking in the mirror about how you're going to handle the jetten, and just doing it with a smile, Start on the thirty floor of a thirty story building, and knock on every door that had anything like equity, anything like lt D. I didn't invent a thing, you executed. You executed. You brought up Mark Zuckerberg. And let's pretend that the wink of us twins did have that idea, why the way I live next door to me that they're really nice, but they didn't execute the way he did. He's Mark Zuckerberg. So like the Skinny Girl MARGARITEA was a great idea, don't get it twisted. It was a great idea, but it was the execution. Five. If I gave that idea away, who cares? It was the execution. I almost failed fifty times. We didn't have glass, we didn't have a gove like. It was a pain in the ass, but I had to just jam it through. Like you're talking, I didn't stop. I was relentless. So you're talking about old school principles. It wasn't that I had the best graphic designer to put up a post. We didn't even post then. So that's interesting. So you're, um, you've obviously had successes and you've definitely had failures. So what has been your biggest success and your biggest failure, your biggest hit, and your biggest shame in your career? Okay, that's good, that's good. My biggest failure in life. I remember Karen asking me what was my worldview? Uh? And I didn't know what worldview meant? And she said, idiot, what do you think is gonna happen over the six and nine months? I said, how do I know? She just watch your job, got envision and then you can pick stocks for six to nine months. But if you don't have a world view, you're clueless. I don't want to deal with someone clueless. And she used to leave me things in research, like page twenty nine. It would say, meet me at uh Texarcana tonight. Well, you know, when you're young and in love, it's dying. Oh white wow. But you had the capability to listen to know what you didn't know. In business, you need to know what you know and know what you don't know. I mean, there's so much that I don't know, and I don't know that I have a big world view either. I know what I know, but I look around for other people. I just do what I know. Are you secretive about your own personal investments? Like? Do you? In other words? You know when I was a kid, I grew up at the race track, and if I because I had had a family of horse trainers, and if I would go up to the betting window, people would want to bet when I was betting, so and that's a responsibility and obviously you're telling people, but are there's some things you keep for yourself because they're risky or you don't want to tell people. Are you totally transparent about how you're investing? How does that work? I'm totally transparent because I'm not allowed to invest. I can't own anything, so yeah, I mean you're not allowed to invest in anything. Personally. I never, I've never thought of that. Sorry if that makes me stupid, I literally know it's okay. Most people think that I'm secretly investing. If you don't listen to John Stewart, you thought I was secretly, Oh no, I literally never. I don't know this world that openly. And when I buy a house, I tell people, and you know, I am happy to tell people because I'd like to think that I know what's right. But I don't want anyone think that I take advantage of my show to make any so I don't earn anything. Well, this is fascinating. You think you would have made more money in the market or in television if if you had, if they were, you know, too much more money in there. That's what I think. That's so interesting. Never be able to even come nearer but I used to make every year. Then why did you? Why do you love doing the television so much? If it's got so much risk, personal, public scrutiny, risk, and you wanted to be rich that was your goal. That's so interesting to make. I got rich. I got to where I had. I promised my mom on a deathbed that when I got there, i'd stopped and go be an artist, Go be a writer. And I write every night. I write about seven thousand words at night. I do it. My mom would have loved it. She would have said, Jimmy, Jimmy got to where he had to go with the money, and he went back to who he really was, which was an entertainer who tries to get people to own stocks and learn how to do it. I fulfilled my father's vision of making a killing, and then I fulfilled my mother's vision of once I had made the killing, of doing something good, given money away, being really societal and trying to change things. At this point, it's E S. G is holding feet c CEOs to the fire. What are you doing about the environment, What are you doing for quality? What are you doing from inclusion? So I've satisfied both my mom. Okay, do you still get nervous about things you're telling people to invest in and like the roses and the thorns, like the things that are gonna work at aren't And what percentage? What percentage do you right and wrong? Well, you know, I have taken big themes, and my biggest theme is I created an acronym called fang and I have urged everyone since Facebook came public and went to eighteen to own Facebook, tone Amazon for since I don't know, for seventeen years, to own Netflix when I first watched Netflix and it was just gets tone. Google the day came public at eighty eight to recommend Apple a five. And those are my core principal stocks. And I returned to them and returned to them, and people say they're boring, Jim, That's all you do is return to them. I say, go to hell the right and then periodically all of others like in video that really are terrific, and then I'll make forward right now. Then I'll make a lot of mistakes. But the fact is is that my core stocks, Uh, if you bet against me, you were crushed always the little people on Twitter, so oh, I took the other side of a Kramer said their chowder heads and sunshine nothings, And I don't mind calling them out because I'm from Philadelphia and I just don't care. I come right back at you, just like everybody in Philly. We come right back at you. So don't you dare come into our zone? Don't you dare? Is your investment style, if your personal investments that would be conservative or aggressive? Oh? Conservative? I mean I'm I I think that give it my age. I can't afford to be aggressive anymore. It's too risky. I got a wife, I've got kids, I've got responsibilities. I don't want them. I don't want to make it so that they have so much money that they don't they don't look. I want them to fight over the fifth year of the hundred, over the under the clock, not the five or the ten. But I want them all to work hard, and I want them all to to realize and get the pride of work. But I also meant at the age where it would really be silly. As I used to tell people at Goldman Sacks, you only need to get rich ones. That's so true. And where where are you on shorting stocks in your mind? Like as a principle, is that don't is that that in the don't pass line? I mean, look at this game stop. If you had shorted that, you wiped out AMC. Now now it's shorting is too risky for for the people who who watched my show, But what about just any person? Just no, you're not a fan of shorting stocks because it's unlimited losses and it's arrogance to some degree. You think you're smart in the market, and there are things obviously that are frauds, but you better have your your you better really have it down. And for my audience, that's too hard. It's not fair. Okay, what percentage are you lucky? We're percentage smart? Well, first of all, it's better to be lucky than good. Okay, but what are you? Oprah? Once they asked me to come on her show and talk about how lucky it was. And I get up between three thirty four every day to study, and I studied to a webin at night in between shows. I do it so I can be better than everybody else. I can't always, but my homework is my craft, and my craft gives me confidence, and my confidence makes me be a lot more right than well, it's amazing and people must come up to you on the street forgetting just being famous, telling you their personal stories about I invested this in this and I bought a house or love it, Oh you do love it. It It happens a lot right up to me last night at dinner saying that she had basically I made a ton of money watching watching the show, wanted to thank me, and it's very grateful. Just had done quite well in life by watching the show, and I was thrilled. I get a lot more of those, and I get people who like the people who hide beyond whatever silly moniker they have on Twitter, who say I am an idiot because I recommended Apple and I went from one. So yeah, I'm proud of that. I've made a lot of people out of money. And you could say, well, it's anecdotal, but after sixteen years it's empirical, or I wouldn't be one right in the hook. No one's been able to really duplicate it, which is really interesting because everything is a remix. So what is your personal family life like and how do you try to be present in that and be so connected to what you're doing, and how does it all fit have a split family. I think it's been as good as it can be. Obviously, nobody gets married to get divorced. We all went together to St. Lucian for Christmas vacation. I had a great time my ex wife, my wife, her ex husband, their kids, my kids, they're significant others, and it was an amazing time, a time where we do things together. This is our third time doing it. And uh, you want everyone to get along. You can't always because obviously there were reasons why you got divorced. But I would say one of my four or five best friends is my wife's ex husband. Wow, that's nice. I think he's a sensational guy. Bill. Oh, you're current your's your second marriage and your current wife's ex husband. And so you're good at blending. You're good at blending, you're good at into personal relationships. It sounds well, yeah, how can you not be? Bill is fantastic, And um, I remember our we had a we had at our wedding. My sister said, look at those two. Those two are having the greatest time. I want to meet them. I've never seen my sol. I'll bring him over. And she said to Bill, she said, wow, you are having the best time. What's your relation? Why are you here? And Bill said, oh, I'm the d my boy. That's my ex wife out there. And my sister said, you're at your ex wife wedding and he said, I wouldn't miss it for the world. That's beautiful. So you're doing something right. How much to their kids love that. I'm hoping to go voting with him this weekend. I just got my wife and new whaler. Uh we go out Father's Day for our son, who loves that. I do call him our I know he's my stepson, but I love him to death. I love his sister to death. They are the greatest. They treat me so well. It always gives me puts me a smile on my face. I want my kids. You know my kids are you know, they're not as as contibual. Um, but they had a great time on the on the trip, and I own a couple of restaurants and they both like to go by the restaurants, which is fantastic. But my my oldest teaches English and Madrid, so you don't get to see him nearly as much as i'd like. Well, um, I've had many different people on here that are very successful. Well, the metric here or the sort of filter is to have started from the bottom and be here in your own non traditional way. Uh. And I'm really proud of the people because it's like I've kept it really tight. I want like people with stories like yours. But I also ask these very successful people who are often married or in relationships with other successful people. So we talk about successful relationships. So just because your divorce doesn't mean you're not you know, you don't have to have a successful relationship. So what does a successful relationship require? Does it require along leash? Does it require total acceptance? Does it require Uh? If it's important to you, it's important to me. What are your what's your prescription for that? If you have one? Obviously that's in love. But there's that goes without saying space space age. I never sold my house, She never sold her house. Monday nights and Thursday nights are nights with my kids or with my butts always since the day we met? Interesting and when was that? How long ago is that? To this? Five? Okay? He Um is with her girlfriends. She has her group. I love them. I have my group, she loves them. But I have my time and she has her time. We are never on top of each other. We are people who give the other person the opportunity to lead their lives as they were before, as they always wanted. And when you take that out of the equation, they're like, hey, I don't get to spend any time X or go to the ball game. Why your love life is is enhanced from mattath Okay, I want to say something to you. This is the secret that no one talks about. This is the secret that no one's telling young people getting married because I'm now asking every person on here who's successful and has a major career, So that makes it more challenging because they're divided. And I'm telling you this this long leash and space concept where there are different quadrants. So I'm with my daughter, then I'm with my fiance alone, then we're all together with all the kids, and then he's buying himself with his Like there's quadrants and it's a dirty secret that no one wants to say. People need space because when you get together, you become one person. You're almost codependent. What are we doing? What are we doing for dinner? What are we doing this weekend? And you feel like it's wrong if you don't want to do something, and you want the other person to be what you want them to be. I'm if you're with somebody who's the boring one and you're the crazy one, you look at them like, why are you boring? I can go find excitement on my own, with my own other quadrants. So what you're saying is super important and no one talks about it. My wife loves to go to Quog little town, uh long On and I garden there. I love it. It's terrific. I love the Philadelphia Eagles, you know what I mean. I just love them like always. I mean, it doesn't matter. And I go to those games and no one's gonna stop me. I never missed the game. She gets to go to Quog. I get to go to my games. I love it when she goes. But if she doesn't, I understand. And I'm with my I'm with my friends, and that space is so important. Everyone told me i'd sell my house. Everyone told her she she would sell her house. We kept our houses. We know where to go and we have I mean, look, everyone's going to say, well, this is ridiculous, but it's true. We don't fight. Well no, but Jamie, uh Jamie Simonov who created the ring told me they don't think about the optics of their relationship. They don't think about what it's supposed to be, whether she's traveling, he's traveling. So that's what you're saying. So I literally, I'm going to write this whole recipe book on this successful relationship thing because I think I'm onto something here. I'm learning so much and it's all different. It's as non traditional as the way that you came up in business and as how you make your limits. Oh, you have to do it. I cannot wait to see my wife on Tuesday night. I don't get to see your mind tonight. But if she ground you, if she ground you into being with her, you would not feel that same way. It would feel like an albatross. And I get what you're saying completely. So I love this. This is good. This is amazing. Take away. We went to a dinner uh and Mark Bennie Ops. It was a terrific businessman built salesforce. Uh. It was late lunch and we had to go around the room and it was all his board and a lot of famous people including say Tony Robbins was there, you know. I mean, guys, it's more people, and they went around the room and had to say what they were, and uh, they we're all, I mean, there wasn't this person that wasn't a Titan. And they get to my wife and my wife says, I'm the CEO of this guy and she points to me. Brought the house down, but true, he's the CEO of me. And she pencils me in to be with friends on Monday night and Thursday night. Fascinating. You're amazing. We've had some great people on here, you Hallary Clinton, Chelsea Handler, Matthew McConaughey. People show. I mean, it's blowout. So I'm honored to be in your show. It's just total blowout. Thank you. I know. I'm trying to keep it like lean and and on brand And if you know anybody who you think is should appropriate to be on the show. You know, we've even had but it's not all famous people. We've had the guy from General Catalyst, people that you would know of that other people wouldn't know. The guy who created Kind, Daniel Lebski, so, oh my god. Kind. The CFO was that we hand the department. Uh, my wife lost real estate and the CFO was from Kind and I said, pay let us, please, let them pay us in kind. I want stock and said, no, you don't do that, it's real estate. I didn't know. I want chair, so I want points in kind. She said, Now he really doesn't want to do that. What a company? Crazy? But I mean crazy. So if you know anybody, throw them over here. If you've somebody who's start, you know, I'm molling right now. I know what you mean. Titans like you just said, tighten your shows about people having within themselves success well, and and everybody likes coming on here because I don't. I'm not asking you to talk. You can talk whatever you want. I'm not asking about scandal. I'm not trying to got you. I want to understand who you are, how you did it, how you think, what your father said, what your mother said, which you really It's just a real conversation. So I'm obsessed with this. I love it. So if you think of anybody, let me know. But you were amazing and your time is obviously so valuable, and I hope you have the best vacation. Well, thank you for coming on and have the best time on your vacation, and say hello to your family the best. Thank you so much. Awesome, great, that was Jim Kramer. That was interesting, that was different, That was telling I love guests who are willing to completely reveal themselves, tell personal information, insight just to help you. I thought it was really a special conversation. And I just every day I learned something here and I just sit down, I'm like, all right, what's this conversation going to actually be like? And then it goes on this journey and I end up really becoming alive and just electrifi. So it always motivates my day to have his awesome conversations. Thank you for listening, Grate, review and subscribe. I appreciate you. Just Be is hosted an executive produced by me Bethany Frankel. Just Be is a production of the Real Productions and I Heart Radio. Our Managing Producer is Fiona Smith and our producer is Stephanie Sender. Our EP is Morgan Leavoy. To catch more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram and just Be with Bethany