Episode 89 - Dorothy Hamill

Published Jan 20, 2022, 8:00 AM

On what makes an icon and life after skating.

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What's the age limit for emojis? I find it jarring when people in their sixties sent emojis like one random emotion like the girl twirling and dancing, or like Yeppie like leaping or said no you are not. I feel like there's gotta be an age limit. I don't do all that stuff, Like there's like a Flamenco dancer woman twirling, like you're going going out and having let's go out for dinner night. It's gonna be great Flamenco. No, no, no, I feel like that stopped. Is that like fifty two? A heart faced emoji? Like a heart faced emoji? I mean, the gotta be in your early fifties. That's that's the cut off date for that too. Like laws, like laws become like nothing to do with laugh I'm literal, I'm I am I laughing out loud because you be in the other room and need to hear me laws ng and what laws? What's laws? Out laughing out loud? Zuh. I don't understand that. But I just think that people of a certain age different. If you're a grandparent and you're sending one of those little a gift or a meme, a gift is like a video and a meme is like just it says something and it's not moving. I think the moving is better. But I a grandma or like a grandma could send like the big Bear with the big heart coming out because I love you, Like that's grama is. But grandmas shouldn't be over emojing. In my opinion, a prayer hands for a senior citizen is fine. I just I feel like there should be a limit, don't you think? Don't you think? Like certain emojis are age appropriate and inappropriate, So sending emojis through at work is fairly inappropriate, Like it's certain levels, but once in a while it's not. It should be used sparingly. If it's once in a while, it's nice, like it's a nice little funny thing when it comes through people's weirdo what's it called the like a bit? What's the big like exaggerated person character of yourself emoji that you sent through and someone calls you and you're like, are you a fucking clown? Calling me? Like it's always this weird like howdy dooty picture of like Peppi Longstocking coming through, and you're like, it's very strange. I feel like it's it's very, very very strange. And then the big thumb, the big yellow thumb. Yeah, just hey, I'll see you at too, the big giant yellow Okay, it's too you're yelling things. They're just basic, like it's not like, oh my god, I just licked to a telephone polls in New York City and I don't have COVID, And then I want the fucking thumbs up. Then I wanted Then I want to thing an exclamation point for like, you know, h two owes water. I don't need your deepest feelings of positivity. It's not for us. We like to celebrate with this cause for celebration. We're not interested in an all day emoji lifestyle. That's not how we work here. I saw what you said. I knowledge you. We see each other. Back to Nanny Leaks the prophet, we see each other. I'll do on a hundred and I'll do a stop sign. That's it. So what do you think about emojis as a form of communication for intelligent adults? My guest today is Dorothy Hamill. She is an Olympic gold medalist and women's champion figure skater. She is one of America's most popular athletes, changing the image of a sport, making a hairstyle popular long before Jennifer Aniston. She has an icon on and off the ice. She has a move named after her, the Hammel Camel. She's performed on Broadway. She has performed in the Ice Capades and owned the Ice Capades, and competed all over the world. She is a game changer. I can't wait for you to hear more about her life. Enjoy. Where do you live? Where are you now? Right now? I'm in the Indian Wells, California, near Palm Springs. And then we are we live in Colorado most of the year, but we're here uh in the wintertime because my husband is an avid golfer. So I like the skiing in Colorado. But anyway, and you I like the snowboarding too. Do you find that as you get older you have a little bit more fear and trepidation, hesitation or no, because you're a professional athlete. Well, I used to be right, But I love I think skiing is very close, not close to skating, because I love the cold air, I love the wind. I like you know, the you know the motion of it. So I'm not really afraid of it. Um, but I also know when I'm out of control to stop um. But skating, you know, I can't do there. There. I have the trepidation and the fear, but I fear of other things, you know. But skiing is as close to skating that I can do and not great. So you don't skate at all. You can't skate now. It's just your body is not made for it anymore. It's not made for it. I had back surgery. I've been struggling with back problems for years, and for two years I couldn't get off the floor. I was in such paying with nerve uh you know, nerve pain. And there's no rink here, so they're building one, so maybe I'll be able to just tool around on the ice and my jumping days. And it's hard to it's really hard to admit that you can't do it anymore. And I'm slowly realizing that that's what I was sort of talking about. I've been snowboarding for probably twenty five years, and I'm no Dorothy Hamile, but I'm fairly good at it. But now that you get older and I have a daughter, and that's where the fear comes in a little bit of Wow, this isn't feeling the same way, and I don't you know, I don't take the chances I used to anymore. And it's interesting. It must be interesting for you to go back to something that you are an expert at and have to have a different relationship with it. Yes, and I haven't quite done that. But now that my back is better, Um, you know, I hopefully like to get back out there. But you know, snowboarding isn't anywhere. It's much more dangerous than ice skating. But actually, at this point, I skating is probably more dangerous for me now because I can't do it. Yeah, do you do you feel that, um, you pushed yourself too hard or what was necessary for the sport was pushing too hard? Or you never let your body rest, or like what is the sort of message about being so focused and dedicated to a certain sport and how I've spoken to so many different people from Maria Charapova and Lindsay Vaughan and about later in body pain and like the after the effects later, So what what's the message about that? Well? The message it's it's a good question because when we're not back in the old days. You know, we didn't know anything about training in sports medicine and we just didn't have access to that. You know, this is seventies and so a lot of falling, and nowadays they don't have they have harnesses and things, but they do much more difficult things. So I guess the message is, um, you know, when you're young, nothing hurts. You know, we body slam and body slam and body slam and you know you're just you don't feel it. And then when you get to be older, all these other things creep in, and UM, I just I guess the messages take advantage of, you know, the knowledge of everything. We didn't have any of that. And also, I mean I loved skating. I didn't ever want to be any place else. That was my therapy. Um. I love music, and you know now what they do is so different, so different. Um I could I when I watched the Nationals last weekend and I'm just amazed at what these youngsters do. So um, you know, I think taking advantage of whatever it is, and you know I don't. I wouldn't have known what else to do with my life if I didn't have skating. That's so nice. You're lucky in that way. I think, um, what, yeah, very very how crazy that a hair cut, that your hair cut was the Jennifer Aniston of of that generation and you still do you wear this haircut because this is the best haircut that's ever looked good on you, or because it is the Dorothy hammelet and your Dorothy hammelet, or you know what what it's a little different. But I've grown my hair out a couple of times, and it is not pretty. My mom was right. I am not a long haired person. Even if I you know, put it in a ponytail, I just it didn't suit me. So I just like it easily easy, and it's not quite the same look how gray it is. Anyway, it's pretty healthy. It looks pretty good to me, And it's just crazy that that was was that to have out of annoyed You like to be known for a haircut when you're in a you know, an Olympic star. Not really, because I struggled with getting somebody who could really cut short hair, because my hair is not easy to cut, you know, this way in that way, but at least it's straight. Um, And so I struggled with trying to find a good haircut. And the week I was going off to the Olympics, I tried to get an appointment with this this very well known at the time hair hairstylist in the fashion world. And my father said, you know, Dorothy's coming in and she loved it. If Suga what was his was his name, and if you could cut her hair. So he stayed and he cut my hair, and you know, he asked me what the function would be and I said, well, you know, when I turned forward, I don't, you know, to want it to be in my eyes and anyway, so he cut it interested. I had nothing to do with it. I had pretty much short hair in my whole life, you know, the old pixie cut things. So I've just I've kept it short. But it's interesting that you had said the functionality of how you wanted the hairstyle to go to function for the sport, which is so so interesting, and that that exactly happened for different reasons, people were watching you and the hair was going that's that, I know. That's an That's a very interesting story. The craziest stuff that goes on. What about the business of skating? What you were a young child that just got hooked, kept going, loved it so much, and you were making seven figures long before anybody was making seven figures. I mean you gotta paid. You get paid a million dollar deal for an endorsement or something early on. I mean that's a long time ago. Yeah, it wasn't quite that. I think over the years, three or four years, it was okay. Yeah. So I wanted to know if you felt that it was a business, or if you just thought you were doing you liked and then felt that it was corrupt around you or people had different or did you have an instinct about it that it is a business and there's a way to turn this into something. So what was your relationship to it growing up in it and then learning how to monetize it? Did you not? Did you miss many opportunities or did you grab them all? I didn't grab them all. You know. When I we had to turn professional because we were amateurs, and I always I didn't love competitions and we only have a few competitions a year. Um, so I loved skating exhibitions. So when I was able to turn pro and make money, um, I was so thrilled because I got to, you know, tour in ice capades and I toured and I loved it, but I didn't really think of it as a business. And it wasn't until later on, you know, when there were not as many shows to skate in that you know, branching out into skating shows in theaters. Um, so I never looked at it as a business. I didn't wasn't smart the way you are. I just you know, I was a shy kid, and I like to twirl, and I like music and twirling, and you know I could be by myself. I was very shy and so um you know, I was you know, I didn't do the best. I didn't make the best decisions and you know, getting into managers that sort of. I don't want to say take advantage because I was the one who was skating, but you know I didn't. I wasn't smart. I didn't really have people to you know, advise me well. But but you know I made some money, but I also it was pretty dumb and not really knowing how to you know, hang on to it. You know, I was single, no family, so it was you know, traveling on the road, living out of a suitcase all the time. Um, you know, you sort of you know I was. I loved jewelry, so I buy jewelry because you didn't have to pack in the suitcase. So those kinds of things. But you know, eventually when I learned that it wasn't, you know, the smartest way to take care of myself at an older age. You know, I did learn later in life, but I wasn't smart the way you are. And you're such an amazing businesswoman as well as talent. Now it's I've admired you for all of that, so yeah, I appreciate that. It's not Listen, I've made so many mistakes. I've made multiple million dollar mistakes, and it's uh, at least for you, it's better to make them when you were younger, I say to people in the beginning of business, because as the stakes get higher, it gets worse later. So you got older, you were married, and you had some financial difficulties, right you, you had like I did. And what was the biggest mistake that you made? I mean, you just touched on a bit, not knowing who to trust, etcetera. But was it just spending or was it not looking at the whole board, like what we're not saving? What was it effectively? Well, when I got into the problem. Uh, we ex husband, um and I were We owned ice Capades for a while, and there was a lot of things that was you know, the timing people weren't interested in seeing ice Capades anymore, and you know, we tried to reinvent the show, and so that was a problem because our financial partner, you know, I was just you know trying to you know, hire set designers and lighting designers and the you know, the trucking and all that stuff, which I really had no business, you know, trying to put my two cents in, and it was just way bigger than I could imagine. And our financial partner got into problems. So the people were coming after me to pay those bills, you know, and I was yes, and I did. I um, you know, I started paying all the hotels for the skaters and everything, and I you know, personally, I didn't have that kind of money. And so when our financial partners said, you know, I need somebody to buy Bias out, we were sort of stuck with having to do that. And I didn't want to ditch my skaters, you know, my my past and my my crew and my same mind. But you know, we were all a family and they were such amazing people. So you know, I tried to bail out the company as long as I could, until you know, somebody was able to purchase it. And it was so sad and so emotional because you know, I loved the skating, I love the production part of it. Um So that's kind of where it all went. And then I, you know, then I got a divorce, and that was all sort of the continuation of the problem. Yeah, more financial despair. If it sounds like you got into something that was a great idea, but often when people get into business, um, well, two things happened. One, you have to know what you're good at, I know what you're not good at, and have other people do the things that they're good at and accept what you aren't. But second of all, you have to look at it like a relationship where you have to think about what if everything goes wrong? Like people don't want to look at the downside of things, and it's not that romantic and it's not that sexy. And I've made that mistake, believe me, as big as as big as your bankruptcy situation. I got into a very entangled, almost decade long divorce and you just don't think in the beginning of if the ship goes sideways, you know absolutely you're so right, And you know, I mean when you're performing eight shows a week or thirteen shows a week, and you know, like the snow machine wasn't working, so you know, all the technical stuff I couldn't. I just couldn't do it all. And I didn't have, you know, the right business people behind me to pick up and do the things that they're good at, which you're absolutely right. So you got sucked under the what the tide sucked you under for a minute? Um, And but you under you've got as a byproduct of growing up in that business. And truthfully, you know I could I'm the perfect person to to remember this because the only names I ever remember hearing about in in sports my entire childhood for the most part, in females Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill and then Mary lou Retten later and um, why am I having a blank about the one who wore the vera whang outfits that in the movie with and Nancy Carmen's later, But as a kid as a child, it was Peggy Flaming and Dorothy Hamile and that was you know, and that sport was massive then, and I may just be perceiving it differently because we're not in an Olympic year, but it just seemed like the biggest deal when I was a kid. Maybe I was a different target audience, but that was huge. And I feel like you definitely were part of branding a sport because if you're the name that jumps off the page for my entire childhood and you're the you're you have to be, you have to have had that thing that brand did a sport. I mean, it's like the way Tiger Woods branded golf for a long time. So I feel like it's you are. Definitely, we're definitely part of a brand machine. Whether you realize it or not. Well, well, we didn't look at brands then, you know, and right no one said brand. Yeah yeah, and we were you know, we were amateurs. That skating was there's three there were three television stations, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS. We didn't even have video tapes, you know, where we were. Our music was on a cassette tape. You know. It was very uh simple. I don't know, I don't know how these youngsters today with all the social media it's got to be. I could never do that, you just it would kill me. It is absolutely and emotional. I mean I if I read one thing that's not good, it ruins my my day or my week, and so I would never be able to take that kind of criticism. Yeah, it's a different it's a different landscape and different things are important. And you described it as simple, would you want this life or any adjacent life for your daughter? Is it? Is it too much pressure? Is it appropriate? When I was doing that show Skating with the Stars, which is different than what you were doing. There's figure skating, and then what was I doing couple skating? I was doing something different like the two pairs dance pair dance. Since like, yeah, okay, so I think it's dance. It's like a different category, right, it is a little bit, but still skating, still skating. But there were some girls there that said that that the process is to grow up and it is is wretched because I had a baby and I thought, you know, is that something that she might want to do? And they thought, hell no, it's horrible. They thought it is just his cutthroat is competitive, it is brutal, and they just thought it was terrible. Yeah, I think it was for some people in those days. I guess it maybe still now, probably still now. But I never encourage my daughter. You know, if she was at the rink, she'd be skating. But it was something I loved and I wasn't going to push that on her. And um, at one point she said, Mom, I want to take some skating lessons, and UM, I said okay, and so I signed her up. This is after I had more or less up touring, and UM, you know, I sit on the side and by my by my fingers, thinking this is not the way to teach her, you know. So, but it didn't matter because I knew she wasn't going to go anywhere. I mean, you know, it's just it wasn't her thing. It wasn't her thing. It wasn't her thing. And you were bosso biting your song saying please don't let it be her thing. But if it is, I'll have to go with it, as as every parent you know. And then, but that was interesting to read about you because it's such I have a friend whose daughter found a question riding, and that seems to be something that you really have to present them with because it's involves horses and going somewhere in all the wardrobe. But she said her daughter just threw friends, found it and got the bug. So it wasn't that the mother wanted this at all, and nor did she pressure the child. And it sounds like you had no pressure. Wasn't even in your family. You just loved it. You hit what's fun is? I was that way about roller skating, and my mother used to say, you're never going to go anywhere with roller skating. They don't have roller skating in the Olympics, like not being well kind of, you know, maybe, but I spent hour and I tell you, I would go to the roller rink at nine in the morning and I would leave at nine thirty at night. So I was an amazing roller skater, but to no end even to want roller skating lessons. And you know, I used to not understand why I wouldn't be in the Olympics. But the point is, I was like you, No one told me to like roller skating. I just loved it. But so I guess the answer is you want to lead your kids to find the things that they love, but there's no need to force them because they all know themselves that they love it from your perspective, absolutely, And my parents always tried to find something that interested. But I have a brother and a sister, and so skating. I was the youngest, and I was not the brightest, uh student, and and I was really shy, and you know, I like to sing and dance, but I really couldn't. Don't have a voice to sing, and really not a body for a dancer. And so I skating. It was like you my parents it was a great babysitter for them too. They dropped me off at nine alf Corny on the weekends and I we skated in public sessions because the same sessions ten to twelve thirty, two to two to three thirty three to five thirty seven to nine thirty that's funny. So and that was just what I love to do. And then it got week days before school and after school, and my god, bless my mother. She drove me, you know, into New York from Connecticut and over to you know New Jersey, you know, places that were at least an hour sometimes more to skate. So but she knew that that was that was sort of where I was comfortable. Never really dreamt that I could actually get a job after. You know, it's amazing turning pro Yeah, I never thought. I haven't thought about this for years. That was my happiest time. I had a lot of crazy stuff going on in my house, but to just go, like you said, the babies, to just get to the roller and knew people there and you had your own little world and you some people were better than others, and you ran your own little show. And you know, I remember it was we were into disco music, which I was at a school called St. Agnes. It was a Catholic school and they were all it was. The music was older, but they were into the doors and rock and roll, and it was sort of like a secret life that I had, being into disco and this roller rink. So I left that world and just went into this other world where I had different friends and different and learned about music, and you know, it was freeing. It's funny that you say that, because I just reading about you. It just clicked right now. And we want that for our kids, for them to just lose themselves in something. You know, my daughter into art and show. But that's a nice thing to have your kids. How old is your daughter? My daughter's eleven, she's in sixth grade. And I took um a room in my house that looks like a boiler room. It's really just the bowels of the house. And I saw that it had plumbing, and I said, uh, to my team, I want to make this into an art room for her. And they thought, it's Scott, what do you mean. This is not a room. This is like a plumbing room, you know, an electric electrical room. I said, no, we'll get a nice lop sync. She can paint the walls, we can put trolleys in here, and she can just do what she wants because it's got a lot of space. She was the other day, she was on a pottery wheel. That was just loving the freedom of my daughter as an artist doing pottery. It was like so freeing, it was I was jealous, Like she has her own thing. She spends her life in this dungeon in this house. It's so funny. That's all the only patient wants to be. So that's her ice skating rink. That's so great though, you know, and an art as an artist, you really want your surroundings to be comfortable that I don't have to be glamorous. So yeah, she's at home there. That's so cool. She's a nice girl. So what about relationships? Uh, and the start of your life and relationships with with that sort of cocoon that you were in and this world with this structure, in these rules and responsibility, and then how do you include a part warner into that when you're professional at it or so it's such a competitive person, how do you do how do you navigate that? And I know you've we've all made mistakes, and so I know you've made mistakes and then had some triumph. So what's that figure eight? Like a lot of long distance relationships, some good, some not so good. But as you probably know that long distance relationships, you know, don't really work. They're not easy. And so traveling and touring all the time it was it wasn't Yeah, it was not ideal, but you know, I was never in one place long enough, So you don't really learn to have a relationship so to speak, or you know, a partnership, and you're not working on that skill as a human being. That's what it takes to work at a relationship and be a partner. So then you make the mistake and then you do it the next time better. You're not getting that much experience because you're not doing it that much exactly exactly, so um, you know, and as a as a kid, I didn't have the My parents didn't have the best relationship either, um and so it didn't have necessarily good role models. Not that I don't love them, and they were, you know, but their relationship just wasn't great. And then um, and then so touring, you know, you just I had boyfriends here and there, but you know a lot of telephone calls at night after the show at eleven o'clock. So it was just didn't didn't work for me. You know, I write my first husband, I loved him dearly, but you know it was you know, when the when the cats were or if I was the cat. You know, there are things probably that went on that I didn't know about. So anyway, Um, and then my second I was kind of on the rebound from my first marriage, and my daughter's father was not unlike my first husband. UM, and I think I just wanted so much the romance and you know, a partnership and love and and that's kind of at the end of that, at the end of the ice capad, it's that whole um process selling the company. So I struggled with the divorce there and everything else that was going on, and you know, filed personal bankruptcy because you know, I put my own personal money into Ice Capades try to save it. And so the divorce happened. Then I had to go back to work because I had to pay child support. So I moved back from the California area to Baltimore because my coaches and choreographers were there, and sort of started over again. You really started over, like you had to just be pretty much figure out how to pay your bills and and and wow, yeah, that's that's amazing. And did you really come out on the other side. Did you figure it out? I did. I did. I was very lucky to have, you know, be able to still have a job, and um, it wasn't It was wonderful. And I got to tour with all these amazing skaters, you know, Michelle Kwan and Brian Boitano and you know, all the best of the best um at those and even Nancy Kerrigan. So you know, I was definitely the old lady in that tour. But it was wonderful and it was simple, and I didn't simple. I didn't have to you know, worry about the other skaters and paying the bills and are the owner of that show and the producer, Tommy Collins was just a divine man and wherever he is right now. But yeah, so I was lucky, you know, to be able to do that and then to skate in some other theater productions and skating theater productions. Who is your favorite skater to watch? And it may not necessarily mean score wise, or it could be the prettiest skater or both or you know, maybe different buckets, competitive or just elegance on the ice. Gosh, Well, the young lady, the woman that I loved growing up was a Janet Lynn and she was just so incredible. She was powerful and she just floated over the ice, but she was strong and um so I really admired her. She was in between Peggy Fleming and my so she was right in the in the middle. So that growing up, she was such an inspiration. Not that Peggy wasn't, but Peggy was so elegant and graceful. I could never sort of, you know, be that, Oh it wasn't. I mean, you felt the realistic aspiration from me. Yeah, Well, but it's interesting that you were so successful even though you thought that she was at a different level. She just filled a different void for people. But you, you, you the room for everybody, is what I'm saying. You succeeded and excelled in a totally different way, even though in your mind you never was as good as her. That was from what you're describing. But to the world you were it was just different. Different. Yeah, it was different. And I, you know, I was would look up to somebody that I felt that I could, Um, that wasn't unrealistic because I would never be aspired to baby. And then later on, well, I watched the skating last weekend on Nationals and these youngsters, I mean I could watch them all all day because there maybe because the pandemic, maybe they're all, you know, skating more and not competing as much. They're just amazing athletes and the things they're doing the difficulty is outstanding. So so that was really fun. So I could watch a lot of those skaters. Those are I mean, I could still watch people like well John Curry all all of these people are in the big skating rink in the sky, I think. But um, there's some that have just mastered the sports so well that you that's so nice. It's an amazing thing to have been part of, I have to say. And so with that, I'll ask you of your career, not your life. What is your rose and what is your thorn? Sounds like you described your thorn, but it might not be like you can Your thorn could be different. No, I think the thorn was just the whole, you know, the whole having to sell ice capades and and you know, divorce and bankruptcy. That was all thorn. Yeah. And the rose, I mean I think the rose is just what I've the opportunities I've had, people I've met, not necessarily skating, I mean, skating is always the sort of the entry point, um, you know, the dirt, yeah, the grassroots, you know, it's just always been my savior skating. Um. So like just the wonderful experiences and people have been able to meet and things, Um, those are sort of the highlights, I guess. So you've had a great career And do you care about age or vanity or relevance, like do you get recognized? Let do you still feel relevant? You know? How does that do? How does that whole? What's your relationship with that part? Of it, the same part of it, um, the same part was really hard in the beginning. Now, I'm old people, you know, if they look at my idea or something that that's a familiar name. But most but most people are young people don't, which is which is fine? Relevance, I don't know, I'm I don't really not relevant and I don't think to me, you are. I called you to be on this podcast for reason that you're not so old, you know, but I'm not so young. But I'm older. I'm a bit older than you are. But that's okay. I think you look great. You look young, and you feel young, and you are relevant to me. So I just curious about that, you know, part of your life. I do miss, you know, not having you know, the young skin. I hate the gray eyelashes and the gray everything else and the sallow skin and things jiggle a lot more, you know, when you're young and you're fit either, oh you know, Well I didn't think I was fit then, but I know i'm not now. So that's hard to that's hard to accept. Yeah, and do you work on that or do not? You you don't care that much? I mean, do you care about plastic surgery and botox and procedures and working out like crazy or any of that stuff. I do care about it. For the last couple of years, I haven't been able to exercise because of you know, my back issues. I mean I couldn't even stand on my right leg so and I was in such pain. But so that I care about. But I absolutely think about you know, I'm thinking what to do, when is the time? What someone's to tell Yeah, I'll tell you. I think you I was you look really fresh and really young. I swear to God, and I would tell you do you do? You don't and sometimes I think you look amazing. Well, thank you. But I was talking to Christopher Buckle, this you know, famous makeup artist this morning. I was just texting him because he's a friend, and I said, one day, if I need to do something, you'll tell me, he said, I because he told someone else that you know, in common when it was time for them. But some people we'll just grow old gracefully, myself possibly included, because I don't want to look like an alien. That's scarier than looking a little old, like looking like a freak alien. That's not my type of brand of being. Like, that's not for me. Yep, I'm with you and that one. So but so you look good. You look good, so thank you. You look fabulous. Thank you. It's so nice to meet you, and thank you for doing this. I'm sure you were curious about what this would even be because it's you know, no, I was listening to a few of your podcasts, so I'm a total fan. And now I know because I'm not I don't know the social me media stuff well so um, but I certainly know you from all the wonderful things you've done and going through the grocery store or the liquor store seeing your skinny girl, I'm envious. Well that's humbling, humbling to me, it's wonderful. Oh, thank you. Well, now we know each other, so our paths will cross one day maybe we'll be skiing or ice skating near each other. So so nice to meet you, and I wish you the best of everything. Thank you you too, and thanks for having me. It was fun, of course, yeah, really fun. Have a great day, my dear. All right, take care. That was Dorothy Hamill, someone who was a household name when I was a kid. Wheaties box, I'm sure, and just she was an Olympic figure skater, but one of the only ones that really popped off, I mean Peggy Fleming and then Dorothy Hamill, and later it was Nancy Kerrigan in my life that just really was so commercial and America, a sweetheart and loved and um and I just in doing this podcast, I'll just think about people who I think I would want to have an interesting conversation with, people who have been a part of something or built something, done something interesting. I mean, there was a Dorothy Hamill haircut and it was named after her. No smaller and maybe even bigger than Jennifer Aniston haircut. I mean it was a big damn deal. There was this shorter sort of bowl I had it anyway. She was absolutely lovely. She's been through the wringer with body pain, with financial ruin effectively and rebuilding and so negative experiences with relationships, so it's probably comforting for people to hear that other people are going through what they're going through. I mean, even wildly successful famous Olympic athletes. So that was Dorothy Hamill, and I was really excited to speak to her. Really nice conversation and what a lovely person.

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