Bethenny on Douchella, Bad Vegan and Facing Recent Criticism

Published Apr 21, 2022, 7:00 AM

Bethenny opens up about her second bout with COVID and its surprising silver lining. 

Bethenny also acknowledges recent criticism that she hasn’t been supportive of all women. She’s not denying it but wait for her explanation before you judge.

Plus, B gives her polarizing opinions on Coachella (AKA Douchella), Bad Vegan on Netflix and plastic surgery. 

Let's talk about Douchella. Okay, So there are these events that come and certain people self involved people. I think that it's the only thing going on in the world. Now, let me tell you something. Coachella is probably wonderful. I've been to I went to Lallapalooza years ago and I had v I P tickets and I saw good bands and I had a great time. And so I'm sure Coachella is amazing. The music that the origin of what it is and what it's supposed to be. Uh, Sun Dance when it started it was really amazing. It was a film festival. It became you know, douche Dance years later when it was just a hawking product festival and people didn't even realize that there were movies there. So things just do devolved, which we'll get into in a second. Um, it's fashion week, it's fashally, it's not the thing. Obviously, the fashion is amazing. I'm as you know, Anna Wintour pointed out in the devilwas product or the Meryl Streep character. Uh, you know, it has everything to do with me, even if I bought it at t J Max. As it turns out, my pants were cheapos, twenty dollar cheapos and my sweaters Isabel Marant. So I've got a high lo vibe going on today and it all has to do with us. And we all do appreciate fashion because we buy clothes. So fashion week is great and it's a place for artists slash designers to showcase their wares. But it becomes douche when the like people that it has nothing to do with are there and do it fashion week. They're so busy, it's it's not I mean, I know Fernando Garcia, he works some he runs, he's the head designer at oscar To Lorenta. He doesn't like, oh my god, it's I mean, he might say it's fashion week, but it's actually fashion week for him. Like when he says that, I'm not like oh god, I'm like, oh my god. He's literally really busy. Uh. But when people who it has nothing to do with, well, I mean, of course I'm so busy. It's fashion week. You mean, for all the events that you're electing to go to, even though you're not in the fashion business, just because you want to be, like, make fashion week the most important thing to you. What's the thing our Bossile. Well it's Bossle. Oh, that's you know the Douche. The Douche Art Festival in Miami, which by the way, is not where people that are real art collectors now go to find things. It's a good schmooze fest for them. But evidently these billionaires that have major art collections know what everything already is before they go there. But listen, it's amazing for people mere mortals. I've been once to go walk through and see what's going on. But these things become these other things, and it's like a self involved vibe where everybody's just saying like, well, it's bussle, it's music, it's it becomes this sort of narcissistic thing that everybody else is listening to as if it's the only thing going on. So no, I'm not jealous because I can go to our bozz or you know, super Bowl or anything. In fact, my fiance's very close friends are in the sports team business, and we get invited to all these different things when they're in the you know, the final of that sport. Okay, whatever that sport is. I know owners of many teams. We choose to stay home and eat you know, wings and hang out with my daughter e pizza. We don't choose to go um because we feel like it's posy and we'd rather just support from a distance in many cases. So UM not to say that I'll never show up at a major sporting event in my life, although I did go to Super Bowl with my ex who is a big time photographer, and we would be on the field, and I didn't go. I stayed. We were in Miami for the Super Bowl and it was I think it was the year that Reggie Bush was in with the Saints um and they won, and I was in the nearby hotel because I was like, that's so crazy. I don't want to go too hectics, so I don't go to a lot of things. So I'm doing all that. I've devolved this conversation to talk about Revolve Fest, which I thought was Coachell. I thought that it was like a sponsored part of Coachella. So maybe it's some like satellite event that Revolved puts on at the same time as Coachella is going on to sort of maximize that area of the world that everybody's going to. So there's all this stuff going on in social media about Revolve festival being like the fire Fest, which it doesn't sound like it is, because first of all, model influencers would be thrilled with a piece of bread and cheese sandwich because it's something they're not going to eat anyway. So I don't think that the piece of bread and cheese would be a problem for them. Okay, Firefest it was a problem, So I think that that's a disparity. And also they weren't stranded on an island. It revolved for those of you who don't know, it's all these influencers that when and apparently we're feeling like they weren't treated right because people don't know who they are because they have millions of followers, which translates to them being sort of TikTok or Instagram famous, really TikTok famous. But that's this pocket that maybe not everybody else knows. So someone may have ten times the followers of j Lo on TikTok, but when there's a security guy at a music festival, he doesn't he knows who j Loo is, but he doesn't know who you know. Morty Schmeckelman, the the the aficionado on all bagel toppings in the world, he doesn't know who that fucking guy is. Who's you know, wearing floral curated dresses from stylists and their fit check and being snatched for fucking Revolve Fest. So there's a disparity in the fame and the treatment of and so I posted about the plight of the underprivileged influencer who's just not getting what they need. And it's a charity that's important, it's an effort that needs to be discussed. And the underprivileged influencer is a person too, And I posted about these people that are saying that like they would treat did poorly. It was terrible that, you know, earlier that day. I mean you saw on your feed every day like this is the fit check, and some of the girls were cute I liked. I mean not every person who's dressing in like flower little Borettes is not as an asshole. Obviously I like watching a lot of them, But it's the people that are taking it so seriously in every inch of the fashion and well the eyelashes of Balenciaga, my boobs are dr Diamond, my shoe like, okay, we're with the fit check. We're fucking good. We got it. You look cute, you got like Coachella chic. We got it, but like the whole thing, you know what I mean, My vagina was the jazzled by the Jazzler of Beverly Hills were like, Okay, we get it. Your vagina will be seen, and we know it's important, but we're we're to be so fucking invested in this ship. So these people are so on another planet and so obsessed with themselves that it's crazy. And I guess other people are calling it out, and I just thought it was funny that people were saying that, you know, they weren't treated right and it was a ship show. But then they transitioned you uh or back day four. I don't know how long it goes, but they're going back for the next snatched fit. Check your you know you're snatch will be checked. Okay, your snatch will be in check by the time you go out to this fucking thing. Your snatches fit to go to Coachella, to Revolve Fest to whatever this whole ship show is. So anyway, that got I mean, I didn't get a lot of flak everybody who A lot of people really liked what I said, but some of the influencers I think. Um, of course I had an opinion on Ducella and devolved fest and of course I feel terrible for the underprivileged influencer hashtag underprivileged influencer. Creator. People are creators and people are influencers. So some people are just creating. But does that mean they're not influencing anyone? If you're influencing, it means you're moving product. I guess you're fucking moving product. But if you're creating, maybe you're moving you're moving content. But I think in order to be an influencer, you have to be creating. And then the problem is I have more followers on TikTok than many of the influencers. But I'm not an influencer. What am I? I'm not a creator or an influencer. I'm just a ranter. I'm just a TikTok ranter. Uh. And so some of the people in the comments in my comments, you're not supporting women. I'd like to have a discussion about supporting women. Okay, First of all, can't we say supporting people like now, just because I have a vagina and breasts and was born a woman, I have to support and like every other fucking person with a vagina and breasts that was born a woman. I don't support women. Why because I think some people are fucking morons, Like I don't support some men neither. There are women I don't support. There are men I don't support. There are women, children, dog cats that I do support. I don't support all anything because I'm not a fucking weirdo robot you don't support. Shut the funk up with everybody who saying you don't support women to anybody anyway. Somebody doesn't like a girl doesn't like with enough. A girl's wearing a dress with her vagina showing and her tampon string is longer than her dress. I'm supposed to support that. I have a fucking eleven year old daughter. I don't support that woman. I'm allowed to not support that woman. A girl is a trash can who fucking sleeps with her best friend's boyfriend. I don't support that woman. A girl lays on her back and is a goddamn gold digger who is superficial and hasn't contributed or made use of her life in any particular charitable way or anything that adds to the universe, and it's just withdrawing on the a T M of life. I don't support that woman. A man who's a nice man, who's a good person, I support that man. A man who fucking grabbed the ass of his assistant in an office. I don't support that man. Okay, So let's fucking stop with the black and the white of supporting women. There are many women I support, and just by the sheer nature of what I've accomplished and and what I've done uh speaking to women and trying to empower women, and the and the groundworks that I've laid in many male industries, I support women. I just don't support all women. And there are many women that I don't support, So cancel me. Yeah, you don't have to support every woman, Okay. Not every woman is great, not all women are created equal. Some women are pieces of shit and other women are good people. So therefore I don't support the pieces of shit. If that's not gonna be okay, change the channel. Okay. But if you care what I think at all, and you probably don't, I'm giving you license to not support assholes. Douche baggery is not supported unless for the purpose of humor. Okay. So I watched the Anatomy of a Scandal on Netflix, and Sienna Miller, who I think is beautiful, is in it. It's interesting about Sienna Miller. Sometimes I confuse her with the woman who was married to to to Do. She was married to ju La, the woman who was married to Ray Donovan. Um, who's Ray Donovan. Let's start with that. My assistant just said, it's a TV show character. I'm well aware of that. Thank you, Annie, my sarcastic assistant. We know it's a Mickey mouse isn't is not an actual mouse, It's a it's a it's an animated character. Thanks Annie for that commentary and shade at this time. Naomi Wats okay. So Naomi Wats is a really pretty blonde woman, natural, and I get her confused with Sienna Miller because there's that type of blonde that's like really sort of pretty and natural. Probably compete for the same rules, but I don't like remember exactly what they look like. So Sienna Miller, every time I see her, I'm like, she's so pretty, but I couldn't pick her out. If she was at my supermarket, I would not know that it was Sienna Miller. I would just think it was a pretty natural blonde woman. So what's interesting about Sienna Miller is that in watching her in Anatomy of a Scandal, which we can get into separately, Um, she's obviously had plastic surgery because she looks different, but she still looks so pretty. Like that's the plastic surgery I would like to have when I have plastic surgery. Like some people look too like very good, but it's like too good. They look good and you can't see anything, but they look older. And Sienna Miller probably still looks the same age that she probably like is, but she's had something done and she looks different, but like not like Jennifer Gray when she had plastic surgery. Different now when you're like whoa Naomi, Now, I mean, what the hell is wrong with me today? Kidman Nicole Kidman where it's like jarring like or or or uh meg Ryan, where it's the shocking, like this is a good this is plastic surgery that I can get behind, because she looks like she's had a plastic surgery, but like not freak zoid, just a little different and she still looks pretty. So when I do plastic surgery, I'd like to go to whoever Seana Miller's person was, because it's like some trickery. It's just like still pretty, but like a little off, but like you're not gonna look the same, just like people will say, wow, the way you're aging, I hate to I'm sorry to report I'm not actually Benjamin Button. I am aging. So have you've been watching me on television since I'm thirty seven, It's gonna be a little frightening. It's just the way it is because, particularly because I post without make a bud and also on TikTok, I didn't know everybody's using a filter? Am I using a filter? I'm just talking like a normal person. I'm like that person that's still that's like Fred Flintstone with my legs as the tires of the car, not realizing that everybody else is like has the wheels because everyone's like, you dumb bitch, we're filtering all of this. And you know we talked about this before, but I mean, I'll go down as the last one. But guess why you see me in a restaurant, You're gonna know what I fucking look like because I've seen these people and they don't even look like their goddamn neighbor. You want to see somebody on Instagram or TikTok and then see them in real life, you'll be shocked. I'm saying it again because I've been talking about beauty and what's a scam and what's not, and I need you to know it's okay to look natural. I just need you to know it's okay to just do makeup for what it was originally intended to do, which is just accentuate and and hide some of your flaws. You don't need to look like a rainbow i eyelid, circus clown to just go out every day. You don't need to contour your face. If you don't need to contour your face. You don't need to contour your face like if your face if you have a clown knows, okay contour. I guess maybe you don't want to clown knows if you have jowls that are like a fucking rott Wiler, figure out a way to contour. But everything doesn't need to be tricked out. Everybody's face does not need to have brown lines in every direction like a goddamn road map of the United States to contour because we all think Oh, this is the contour step. I gotta contour. Everybody doesn't need to contour. Everyone didn't need to highlight if you have a fehead besides of Pittsburgh, you don't need to highlight certain portions of that. And I know that's where the contour comes in. I get it. I'm just saying, it's just like, it's okay, we need to I need to contour. A contour vention. There needs to be a contour vention. Everybody doesn't need to contour their whole life. It's again back to the filtering. We're contouring and we're contouring too much. Too much contouring going on, but not everybody needs to contour themselves within an inch of the are like, it's okay to look like what we look like? Is it not okay to look like what we look like? Divorce kids work the program. I was just talking to someone about this. Oh, someone who works in my house was saying that their family, they have a family member and that's going through divorce and the kid's just has an attitude now and it's a little spoiled because they work that system. You can't fall prey to the divorce kid that works the system. Okay, here's the system. Parents are separated, they're getting divorce. And I know very people, very close to my life who've who've who've dealt with this exact thing and handled it wrong. And I don't know. There's no perfect parent, there's no perfect kid. But this is black and white. You're separated, you feel guilty, You're worried the kid's going to prefer the other parent. A B. You're worried just because of the trauma and the stress. And you want to throw money at the problem, or candy at the problem, or TV and games at the problem, or toys at the problem, or indulgence is in some regard and devices at the problem. It doesn't work. It's a bad fucking plan. You create a monster. Okay, you create a monster kids going through the problems of a divorce or going to go through the problems of a divorce. More indulgence is not going to reduce that. It's not going to change it. It's just going to displace that. So it's just a very easy thing for people to do. In the meantime, just buy a lot of the dolls in the presence, etcetera. So they favor you. Guess what they won't favor you either, they won't respect you. I'll never forget my daughter when she went over to this kid's house and I said, who's the most favorite of your friend's moms? And I said who's the least favorite? And she said, x mom is the least favorite. And I said why and she said because she over indulges her kid for kids a tangent which just hands or whatever she wants. And I thought that was amazing because kids, and she was young. Then kids are aware of the whole program, and they don't respect parents that just are trying to buy their kids. They don't my daughter, I didn't my school to school, there's like a portally you have to go into to get the the report card and I didn't get it and I didn't know why it wasn't sent to me directly. And my daughter will be hurt not that, like I didn't buy her in a toys and candy that I didn't see the report card on time like that. That's that's how you know you're on the right path. But do not. These kids are working the system, they're working the program. Of course they're not going to control themselves. They're gonna take whatever they can get and they're gonna try to get it on both sides, and they're gonna say to you, I don't have this thing. They're gonna say to the other parents, I don't have that thing. To try to work it all out and get it all So just don't believe that hype and understand that you're being played. Getting COVID sucks, but I want you to know that you can turn it into a positive. And I know people say pivot and pivot, and we pivoted, but I mean even on the short term. I had COVID a couple of weeks ago, and I took it as an opportunity to really just go through everything and in my house, really cook a lot of recipes like people have been and that's obvious, but going through so many things, going through old photographs, going through expired sunscreen, going through beach towels, like, really, you can get your home tight and right. But more importantly business. I was home and I said to I used the time wisely and it took work on my part. I said to my assistant, now we're going to create these systems. Let's create all these systems for business systems, and you can you have your own systems you need. It could be literally for kids, activities, calendar, carpool, p t A. It could be for your own work. It could be for whatever you wanted to be. But for me, it was okay, when I go to a photo shoot, where's the list, a laminated sheet for everything that I need? Where's the checklist? If I'm traveling, where's the checklist? And you should do this for everything you need. Did you pack sunscreen? Did you pack a charge or did you pack your portable blow dry thing? Did you have your toiletries, did you pack fuzzy socks for the plane? Whatever it is you need. You can use this time any time that you're down, that you're sick, that you're depressed, whatever it is when you're home alone, to create these systems. My dogs, one of them needs medicine. So sometimes when the dogs traveling back and forth are going with someone else, or with Paul, or with a housekeeper or with the dog watcher, as a laminated sheet that just says this is how much medicine Smalls gets, you know, and it's together in a little zip bock bag. It's organized. The point is you can really take this time or any downtime to create systems that will if I said to my assistant, I'm teaching you how to fish, not just handing you the fish, meaning I also don't want to go every time I'm going away, do we pack this? And we packed that I wanted on a sheet? When is laundry done? When are windows done in your house? Is it twice a year? When do we have carpet steam? Do you do that once a year? When are you gonna, you know, shake out the rugs? It could be anything, but I'm big on these systems. Oh, let's go through all the expired food in the cabinet, or let's take all the food and put it into two containers and label them. Would be those organized people like you really can use this downtime to your advantage. So don't get stuck when something goes wrong. Let it propel you into something, into something good. I've had I've had COVID twice. The first time I had COVID was the worst experience of my life. I've had pneumonia in my life. I've had a hundred and five I've gone to the hospital aside from almost dying from anaplat going into anaphylactic shock. The first time I had COVID. It was a monster that gripped its hand and pulled your head under. Every time you thought you were getting a gasp of there, like the end of a horror film. It was a nightmare. The chills, the shivering, the teeth chatter and the teeth chipping, the excruciating headaches, the body pain, the dehydrat it was a nightmare. The second time I had COVID, I could function. I could function, I had been tripled backs, I could do all these things. I felt not. I kept saying I can't. I don't want to work. I'm not going anywhere. But I'm a five. Like at ten is you're dying, A zero is you're just prancing. I was a five. First time, it was a ten. Nichol was my only friend. It doesn't work every night. I had to because, like, after I use it a couple of nights, it won't work. So I had to just like rash in it and use it on some nights. Sleep was my only friend. I didn't get it every night. It was a fucking ship show. My heating blanket and sleep are my only friends. So I want to talk about natural food, being vegan, raw food, All this stuff, cleansing, all of this. So years ago, I lived in Chicago, and I have been allergic to fish, so I don't want to go to regular colinary school and have a whole section on fish. And I've always been interested in health, and I've always been interested in food and cooking. So I found a school in New York for Food and healing. This was two thousand. This was twenty two years ago. So I was a natural food chef before it was cool, before it was plant based, before it was all these other names, before local and seasonal, before all of the ship. I was a natural food chef. I was paid for it. I worked for it. I worked for nutritionists and cooked meals for them. I was that all healthy meals, low calorie meals, low fat meals, alternative meals, people with food intolerances, all that stuff. So I also a raw for almost a year, mostly raw. Going to school for Food and Healing leads you into that world of vegan and gluten free and celiac and what all these things meet and food intolerances. And that was long before it was cool too. There was no impossible meat, there was no beyond burger. There wasn't tofu sold everywhere. You know, oh milk, I'm in Macadamium milk. Every fucking milk in the world was not around. Nobody had almond milk. No one that soyed milk was the only one, and that was just not that common. Okay, so this is before all of this. I and raw food, which still now weird too many people. That was alien then. But I learned about eating raw, which is eating under a food under a certain temperature, not meat. It's vegetarian completely, but it means that after you cook food a certain temperature, it loses all of its being alive, and that's what keeps you alive, and your eyes are brighter. And it's this whole world. People are dehydrating food in these big contraptions at under a hundred and something degrees and it takes four hours to make a sprouted pizza. People using dates to make desserts. Like it gets really crazy. I could go on and on for days, but like it gets really crazy because things that you don't even realize are cooked are cooked. Meaning let me give you an example. You can't have you can't I don't know if it's about the cooked you can't have, like seaweed, toast sheets of seaweed. Some are toasted that's not raw nuts. Raw nuts are not like shiny and salty and roasted. They're like raw, so they're more blanched and they're just not as fun as like roast crispy nuts. So a lot of things to be raw. It's really extreme in one direction. Okay, So there's a world. Anytime you have these extreme ways of eating, there are these worlds. So there's this world of raw food. And Juliano is this guy that I met through this whole world, and he was famous in it. He was like this crazy chef with long blonde hair and he only ate ron, he only cooked rad. He's like a cult leader in that world. And it's just like in Bickram yoga how Burn Baptiste was like a cult leader in that world. Any extreme thing, extreme heat in the yoga, extreme eating is a world. So when the off food world, Juliana was a big deal. This woman Karen in Chicago that I learned for from, she was a big deal. And Wigmore was this was this person who started rejuvlac and wheat grass, which are these things that happened in Puerto Rico, and their books written by her and then um Anne Marie. I think Colbin was a big raw food person in natural food chefs. So there's all these people that are like famous in those little worlds. So it's weird to you and you don't know what I'm talking about, but just understand, I think you get the concept. So when I was in that world years ago and the natural food chef, I met Matthew Kenny, who was this raw food chef Delicious Food. I worked for him for a brief period of time, uh in Dumbo, Brooklyn, because he started these restaurants and he had a reputation for not paying people. I know that because he was like this artist chef that was not a great business person. He had this reputation back then. This is twenty years ago, and he was working with Russell Simmons jib Amook de Cafe and this guy was going to cook for him and all over the place. These people are creative types and they're all over the place. I'm getting somewhere because there's a show called Bad Vegan that's on and I'm gonna watch it for you guys. But Matthew Kenny's wife was had a brand called One Lucky duck with him and it ended in bad divorce and she ended up in this whole crazy illegal world within this raw space. And I'm gonna watch the whole thing. So this is sort of part one of it. But I just want you to know that these two own a place together, and I know that he was known for like not paying people, and he now has all these other restaurants. He kind of is like the pyramid skip. He keeps going and I have nothing against him. He's this totally nice guy. He's a good chef. I don't know about his business practices. I just know that he keeps moving through the system because these people that are known in different industries they kind of our artists and they're creative, and they moved through one business relationship then they move into another one. So he's always getting someone to partner with him and open a restaurant and then somehow it's closed down, Like he had a restaurant down in Miami and then it closed down. These raw food people are freaking weirdos and they're not business people, so they have these great, big ideas and they shut down all the time. So I'm gonna watch Bad Vegan because a lot of you been writing that you want to hear what I have to say about this, And it's the woman what's her name, Matthew Kenny's wife. She got Psarma Mangalas, So people want to know what she's shady? Was she in on it? Just telling you that I worked with her ex husband, And it's all sketchy. It's just sketchy. This world is a little sketchy. They're not really into following rules because they're like these cult leaders. Because anybody who's into raw that extreme, like people say, I'm two percent ROM, five percent ROB, four percent ROM eight percent raw. It's competitive. Oh it's not a D eighteen degrees a hundred eight degrees and you can't cook things over. I don't know the exact terminology. I'm just telling you it's a bunch of fucking crazies because they're obsessed with some subculture, sub world that none of us understand, and they're all really uber competitive about it. And and oh that person is not real. Oh that person ate some roasted cash. She was a couple of weeks ago. They're not real, you know. And I was like, touched this world by trying it, and I get it, but it's a bunch of fucking crazies. And I'm going to watch this movie, and I'm just telling you that I do have an opinion on this because I was in this world twenty years ago, bet dabbling. When I say that I was raw for a year, I wasn't strict strict strict. I was raw, I was vegan, I was in, I was out, but I understood what it was and all the crazy recipes because I was living in Chicago, engaged and board and could focus on the ship. So you have to be it's a time consuming. I know one person who can raw for years and she just fucking crazy. You can't go out to restaurants, she won't travel. You know, you can't imagine how alienating it can. Maybe you can only hang out with other people in this sub culture called world

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