Amber Rose

Published Mar 28, 2024, 4:00 AM

Amber joins Bethenny to discuss the wild and taboo topics people have experienced. She shares the personal side of her past relationships and interesting details that went along with it. 

Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good. I love you.

I don't remember if the last time I saw you was on my show, but you're one of the people that I feel like I'm friends with in my head, like I know you because I just have good memories of you, and I can't even I feel like I know you or we're friends. But I've met you only a couple times. And do you remember the first time we met? Because I know you were on my show, but I feel like I knew you before that.

I might get a party or something.

I don't know.

Oh good, you like me.

You have no idea, but you know you know me right of course, right, like we know each other, but I don't have I mean, we both blacked out, honestly.

I just think that, you know, we just probably run into so many people so often that like, you know, it's not like and sometimes I feel bad because they're like.

You remember me from this and from that, I'm like, oh my god, I'm sorry.

I know likewise, but I like you.

I've always liked you, and I'm really excited that you're here and to chat with you. And I'm a little like hazy today because I woke up. Do you ever wake up, like, do you get anxiety?

I read it.

I was reading everything about you, and I woke up today. Sometimes it happens at night, but this morning I woke up with generalized anxiety. Like it wasn't about anything specific. I was just like, I'm anxious, and I feel like the world's coming to an end and I don't understand what's happening right now.

Yeah, every single morning for me ractly.

And I talk to my friend a lot on the phone because she kind of deals with that, but hers is at night before she goes to bed.

Yeah, so I like exhaust myself. I like do so much.

During the day, so I could just fall asleep at night right pick up in the morning.

Just my heart beats out of my chest.

Wow, And like I try to find a reason and there's just no reason.

And you know, you can indulge it or try to not. And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas on a mat and it did.

It did calm the lambs down a little.

Yeah. I do the gym five days a week.

I have to, so it makes a big difference.

Yeah, and I go straight to the gym. Wow it that way.

So you have two you have two sons? Okay? How old did they?

Or an eleven?

Oh? Wow? Okay?

How is motherhood like? Do you feel like you have a handle on it? Do you feel guilt? Do you feel like you're good at it? What do you think about motherhood overall?

Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably comes from being a mother. And funny because when I was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know, Like That's how I was kind of thinking about it.

But she was right. I mean I think that.

You think of the worst possible scenario every single day, whether you know they're gonna fall in the pool and they're not a god, they're gonna fall out of a window, or like someone's gonna hit them at school.

And it's gonna hurt. Like I don't know. I think that's where.

Most of my anxiety comes from, just thinking about something happening to my kids.

It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it. But it's funny you say that because I was talking to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning fourteen.

And a and you know how like when you're wondering.

If someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday? And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house. And I said how did you get there? Because she's in the city when she's with her dad and all the way uptown. And I said how'd you get there? And she said, I rode my bike And I said you took a city bike and she's like yeah.

And I said did you have wear a helmet? And she said no?

And I was like ruined my whole day in morning, Like I it's a letter.

It's a letter.

It's like it's like it's like a police man following her now, like you know, because I get it. I'm just like, and you feel like you have to say, okay, promise me this and promise you're gonna be careful. But you remember you were a kid, and you remember you were partying way.

Younger than you should be.

And now we're getting into the high school age and people having sex and the drugs are and drinking, and I'm like, I don't know if I'm built for this that part.

No, I get it. I get it.

And even just heartbreaks, like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he likes girls. Now the one girl that he liked was kind of being mean to him, and like, you know, he was upset, and I'm.

Just like, oh my god.

I don't know if you saw my video last week that people were commenting on my daughter's tank tup and it was literally just a tank top, but there was this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know, these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media. You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally said to the world, I'll shut it down right now, like no.

And it's so funny because I'm forty now.

So like my my elementary school years were in the nineties and if kids fuck with me at school, my mom was in the school yard like like, don't fuck with my daughter, you know, but it was, oh a hundred that was my mom for.

Sure, and I'll fight you, and my mom's gonna fight your mom.

Totally one hundred percent. Think of it.

I read about you and you experienced bullying, and like, we can't wrap them in bubble wrap. You're a tough bitch because you're a tough bitch. So like, what's that your kids have money that you didn't have, you know, privilege that you didn't have, and they're going to be a little softer than you because we want to wrap them and bubble wrap.

So what about that?

Well it's true, but I mean I grew up in South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went to a public school, so the culture was, you know, if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them, right because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully you for the rest of the school year. So you got to get it out the way and you hope that it's going to be a fair fight.

So you have your mom.

There to make sure no one jumps in, and I just I can't imagine my kids going through that.

You know, it was like you don't think about.

It at the time that it's like, probably it probably traumatized the shit out of me.

Yes, but it was just the culture. And now with my kids'.

School, they have zero tolerance, like you are expelled if you fight.

Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.

And just with the next generation, it's like you don't want them to fight. You don't want them to just be outside, you know, until the street lights.

Come on to come in. I watch my kids like a hawk.

But also at the same time, it's like, are they gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you that are tough, right, because they're not. I don't know, Like I kind of.

Know they will because you'll be there and you'll adjust. It's like it's a living, breathing organism. You still have that skill set, so you'll give it to them to adjust to whatever happens in this landscape.

I think, you know, so what are you doing now?

Like what's if someone were on a plane next to you and said, what's your career?

Like what are you working on the most? Are you modeling? Actings?

Like?

What are you doing? Mostly?

Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore, so that's coming out soon.

So I'm still I'm still doing you know, modeling.

And obviously my podcast, I hope they're not listening with Amber Rose and talk about like taboo topics and I rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves, the head of the Satanic Temple on and I just, you know, I'm just curious. I just want to know the ins and outs of like taboo things, and so that's pretty much what my podcast is about.

I love that.

Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that.

I had a girl come on. She was a part of a cult in Utah. She told her story. I had a mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think you know, but you have no idea.

That world is light. And I think some people that's why I named it.

I hope they're not listening, because there are some things that you might not want to know when it comes to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.

So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat.

I like that, it's like very niche and who's vetting the guests.

It's your natural curiosity or a combination between you and your producers.

Yeah, so I sit with them and I just tell them things that I'm into, and like they, you know, developed the list and we go through the list.

And I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her. I want to talk to him. You know.

Another guy, Terry Lovelace, he was abducted by aliens in nineteen seventy nine. He worked in the Air Force, and his story is absolutely crazy. He was up on the ship. He saw a pink alien, a pink alien that was kind of like in charge of everything. I know, it sounds so crazy, but when he tells the story, it's unbelievable. There was mantis aliens kind of working on him. They were like a part of the medical fields within the ship. It's crazy because he just came out with his story in twenty eighteen, because all these years he was just like, no one is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me. It just sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like, you know, I'm older now, this is what happened to me. And he had like over four thousand people reach out and they were telling their stories and a lot of things at crazy.

Yeah, all from all over the world, and.

So it's crazy.

I don't know, it was kind of cool. I had a guy on there that talked to people that had near death experiences.

So it's I like the I like the show. It's very that's very unique, and I love I love that. So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized sexuality as a tool.

Not I would say not at all, because I've a lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.

I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative.

Actually, I've always been conservative since I was young, and I think coming out on the scene, I was kind of thrown into this sex spot type of girl. And so when I was kind of out on my own without my first relationship, that kind of like brought me to the light. That's what they wanted from me. And so I feel like, you know, even when into it, yeah, well even when I would try to go against the grain, and you know, I would have like producers saying, Okay, so we want to do this video for MTV and we want you at the pool with a bikini on, you know, martini in your hand and I'm like, I'm so not her, Like I'm so not and I get what I come off as, but I'm so not her.

And they're like, oh, well, I guess we don't want to do it then. So it was more so like I've gotten to survival mode and.

The market decide what the product. The market said, this is what the product is. And that's let me, Well, when you say your first, you're talking about Kanye, So that was your first you're saying public relationship or your first relationship.

That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but also in the public eye, and so you know, here's a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that, and that's you know, I was still an adult, so obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.

Yeah, what age of an adult because that's you know, I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five?

Okay?

So on the verge of being an adult like not, you know still, and it depends on where you were in your journey, how immature you are.

When you're forty, you can look at twenty five and say I was a baby and I didn't know shit, you know. But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I know everything, and you don't.

You don't know anything besides that, you know I did. I kind of got.

Pigeon held into this this sexy type of girl. And it's funny because I just came across an Ink magazine cover that someone tagged me in on Instagram and it says the Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just brought me back to a time where it was like I remember fighting so hard too to not be that person, and no one would let me, you know, They're like, oh, well you want the cover. You want the cover or not because it's a sex issue and we want to give it to you.

You know you're gonna make money, you know or not.

So I feel like, yeah, I fully, I fully get that.

Yeah, people, and it's and it's an easy muscle because you know how to do that. And do you feel like you were amuse or was it? Was there any part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like a lot of your persona is defined by men.

And it's funny.

There's this girl on TikTok that talks about which person in the relationship is a black cat and which is a golden retriever. And You're you seem like you're always the black cat. You have these guys coveting you, and like it's that black cat dynamic that they that they love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it intoxicating to be so desired?

And like.

I definitely went into it with a delusional mind state that like people actually cared about me. And again I can look back and be like, he probably didn't care, and that's no one's specific. But I went in with genuine feelings and every person I've dated and you know, kind of dealt with it was always genuine from my side. Let's just say that you so, I I'm just a down home South Philly girl. It's hard for me to look at myself as like amuse, although I'm sure I was too quite a fule, But yeah, I just I just like to think that I'm just like a down home Philly girl and from the outside looking in, it looks like something else, but it's not.

Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and then all of a sudden you're in some destination and you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the sign on this bus, and like why did I get in? It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus. So I get and I get that because while you know, I'm no supermodel, I have been that black cat my whole life too. So my question is, do you feel like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you? You go on the rockde and then you know because and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely a journey, and like have you intervened in that?

Are you still doing that? Like what is that about?

Yeah, I don't think it's many.

I think it's probably about four or five throughout fifteen years.

Okay, but that's still a lot. I think, no, says is.

Very different from who I've actually been with and dated.

So as far as media goes, if I'm in the same restaurant as someone I'm dating them. It caught, you know, at the a photographer is like, hey, can we get a picture of you and so and so, And I'm like, sure, I'm with them as well. So that added up over the years. Because there's no handbook to tell you how to be a celebrity. I've always been very gracious for people that wanted to take pictures with me, or photographers that wanted to take pictures of me. I thought that was just the right thing to do. And so over time it was like Amber's messing with this guy, Amber's messing with that guy, Ambrazo, this Ambras and that. So all of my relationships, I like to be monogamous with one person, and I've never just been out fucking guys, although it looks like I have plenty.

Of male friends.

And I would even say, honestly, the past two months they said that I'm fucking with Chris Rock. I'm fucking with the kid c J. Strout that's twenty two years old. He gave me a ride home. I kind of got stuck at this charity softball game. It's a long story.

You know.

Things like that add up over time, and people are like, God, this girl's fucking everyone, you know, And so that just became my life, and it did take a toll on my mental health because you know, then I get on Twitter and I.

Get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true, and all they say is, yes it is.

You're a liar, you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah blah blah. And so then I just got to the point where it was like, I'll be a whore then, sure, whatever you want.

That's you said that.

It's not like you're celibate, but you're not interested in a relationship, like you are defined about the fact that you do not want to be in a relationship. And I think that's really interesting because I was hearing Kelly Clarkson on her show when asked by Hoda, I think it was, you know, do you want a date?

And she was like, absolutely not. I have my kids, I have my job.

She just went through it, she's still going through a gnarly divorce, which no one understands better than I do. And like she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives a little bit of that too, And I just have been hearing that from different women in entertainment that we haven't heard it as much before. It's like almost like a real put your foot down, like no, I have everything. I I'm happy alone. I don't want it.

I think I think society makes women feel like they're incomplete without a man or being in a relationship.

It's like, what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are you miserable? Somebody really hurt you? You know when?

Ultimately, and I can only speak for myself, this is the happiest I've ever.

Been, you know, not in a relationship. I am so free. I don't have to hit.

Someone up in the morning say good morning, good night, what are you doing, what did you eat, where you at, where you're going, or answer those questions from somebody. I have my own schedule with my children and when they go with their dads, I am as free as a bird.

Bethany, right, you don't feel torn.

And it's funny that you say that, because I was also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had said that she went on a date right, and Jenna was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and I love Hope. But it was funny because it was like Jenna who's married, was sort of assigning the construct of like that Hoda wants somebody, and Hoda was like, no, it's just a night to go out and like not be with my kids are at work. Because it doesn't have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are so trained for everything to have to be something. You know, you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day? You can go on five days? When are you get engaged? You go, when are you getting a baby? When are you getting medt are supposed to check the boxes of the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And I think that's just like.

It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter, doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me, men pursue me constantly.

Maybe I will go and have dinner, but that's as far as it'll go.

It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want to be home staring at the world, stething to do.

They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have someone fully in my life like that. I just don't want it, and I am very very happy.

So I was reading about you wanting credit for things that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit. And I think women also back off of like saying no, like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value. It's your intellectual property.

So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I don't need the c I don't need my name on shit. I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not that's not something that like means something to me, you know. And I think that the misconception is that people think that there was some type of conversation before and there was not. I didn't find out things until later, and I'm like, oh, so what happened was that Nicki was an up and coming artist. I had already been famous at the time I ran into her. She had a little bit of buzz at the time. And I went to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion, and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented.

Wow, like unbelievable.

So I went to Kanye at the time and I said, you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj. She's super talented. I'm telling you, like, just have her come in the studio. Thinks she might be good to be on Monster, you know.

Just give it a try.

Wow. Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at the time.

It's so long time ago.

Wow.

And then she came in the studio and she she killed it.

So I don't necessarily need credit for that, because if she was a whack artist, he would have never used it. But because she is a writer and a lyricist and she is who she is.

That's insane. That's an insane story. I mean, she's Nicki Minaj. That's a major story.

Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because she did that.

I put two and two together. But ultimately she did that, and they create.

You No, but that what are you talking that?

But that's what an agent does or a manager. They put things together. They're not doing it they put it together and then they take a piece, So yeah, but have you And it wasn't even something that that would have been weird for you to say, can I have this in writing? Because she had no leverage, like she wasn't anybody, You weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah, that's fucked up.

I get it.

Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her, but she must acknowledge that that happened.

Well, she put my name in the verse that she that she used. Right, all credit is due to Niki. And I'm not just saying that to try to be like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit. I didn't do it for money. I literally was never talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album, not just.

Not that song.

So I don't credit or money for doing that, because I did it because she deserved it.

And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you put two people together, but when something pops off, you feel like, yeah, get me a taste, and a taste I get it, and not just that song.

I get what you're saying.

It's just interesting that that's a major story to put Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone is a pretty major story to me. What I really relate to about you is the pandemic, like putting you in a little bit of a because I don't I'm a very Something that surprises people about me that they don't really realize is the level of homebody that I am ready to begin with, the level of insular and difficulty it is for me to get out. And so the pandemic was like indulging that full on and then it was hard to come out of that. So how did the pandemic affect you? In your anxiety and all the you know lamb screaming in your head.

Dealing with you know, having a newborn and then right after that the pandemic hit.

So I got all these.

Emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby, trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and.

Be like, what the fuck did I get myself into?

In your head too, because you're in your house. You can't even like that, Wow.

I can't even go and you know, think about it, even trying to just get my body after pregnancy, you know, at that time.

Everyone's like, if you go outside, you're gonna die. That's on the news.

And then I'm like, well, I don't want to go outside. Bring COVID into my house. I have a newborn baby. I'm scared.

You know.

Maybe I'll do a couple of workouts in my front yard. But other than that, I mean, it was a very difficult time for me.

How is your co parenting going good?

I mean, listen, I am the queen of co parenting because I don't talk about that.

I don't talk about the past. I don't talk about what was done to me.

I don't talk about who my son's fathers are dating, who they're with, where are they at. I am all about my children. When are you going to pick them up, what's the schedule, When are you going to bring them back?

Where are they going? What I need, what you need? And that's it. Like, I'm very transactional. It's all about the children and there's nothing in Yeah, I'll just leave.

It all about transactional.

So you're spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling, and you feel like you're in a good place in your life, like your career is where you want it to be other things you want to do that you're not doing.

I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a lot of a lot of cool things.

So yes, soon we can do another interview later, or maybe you can do an interview.

For my podcast of course, stuff that you're into.

I would love to. I would love to, of course.

And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see I I don't know that much about pop culture and things that go on, which is the girls who are on here they tell me a lot. I didn't know that you were in the audience with the tailor swing to think like you're in the middle somehow amber Rose is like where's Waldo?

You're like in the middle.

So you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got you know, jolted, jilted by Kanye And do you now think about her crazy success and that thing that happened with the phone call and like all of it, like this full circle situation.

What do you think of that?

Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift.

She's she My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her.

She sent him like.

A whole media package and backstage passes and he met her, you know, a couple of years ago when he was younger really in the pictures. Yeah, so cute, and she was so gracious and nice, and I had an opportunity to talk to her mom and her family, and.

Yeah, so it's great, that's awesome.

I think that you know, look, we've all made mistakes, especially in our younger years, and we can look back, we can cring, we can be like, oh my god, I can't believe this happened.

I think that.

When you get older and you look back and you're just like, fuck, that was that was That was the time. That was definitely a time and you might cringe, you might be happy, or whatever the case may be.

But I think we all got older.

And you know, I definitely have kids, Kanye has kids. We all been through marriages and divorces and you know, life, and you know, it definitely was a big deal in pop culture at the time, but I think everyone kind of grew up and grew out of that.

So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm indifferent so it's.

It's clean, it's nothing, got it? And then tell just about here you have like an effort, like a charity that you work on, or an activism about people being like slut shamed.

Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.

Okay.

Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted. One woman was raped on a college campus and the cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut, you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like this is absolutely ridiculous.

So I did that. I do feel like.

My SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't proud of, and I didn't want to stick behind anymore happy to talk about this, because you know, my initial SlutWalk was everything I wanted it to be.

But then it turned into more modern day feminism. It just turned into like I don't care if you've married, I'm still going to sleep with him because you got.

My bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim, yeah all right, Well thank you so much. I'll let you go, but I'm happy for you. And say hi to your beautiful sons.

Thank you so much.

I'm your dog.

Frankie. Frankie, Frankie. Yeah, say hi to Frankie.

I will have a great day.

Bye.

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