Drew Barrymore apologized for calling Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s trial a “7 layer dip of insanity.” Bethenny explains why Drew had nothing to apologize for.
Plus, Bethenny gushes over her favorite looks at the Met Gala. Although Kim Kardashian looked stunning, Bethenny explains why Kim made a mistake that is potentially harmful for your kids.
So the met ball was so okay. So the met ball came and went, and um, it brings up so many conversations for so many people. First of all, Roe v. Wade being overturned by the Supreme Chord happened on the same night, which obviously wasn't intentional. I just don't think that this would even be on their radar. But it's something that a lot of people were thinking about because it's a very heated issue on a night that I wonder if it's superficial, you know. I mean, we can't only talk about issues and Ukraine, and we can't only talk about things that are depressing us in the world, politics, poverty, things like that. But I wonder where the line is. I'm always udering where the line is because so the met ball isn't that on my radar, Like I really, it has really not much to do with me. I mean, I know some of the people that go, and it seems so far away and so um otherworldly to so many of us. I mean, maybe many of you think that it's not other worldly to me because I've been on red carpets, but I promise you I've never been comfortable on a red carpet. When I first started out, I was in Sundance and I had a boyfriend who was a very well known photographer still is, and he used to put me on the red carpets and tell the photographers to take pictures of me. I was in Natural Food Chef. I had been on the Apprentice. Nobody cared. I was nobody, and I remember them saying, like, work it. The photographers and him, just work it, and it seems embarrassing even in front of them, and they want you to work at The photographers want you to work it for them, they want you to give them what they came for. But I always felt so self conscious about that because it's so inauthentic, and it's even between me and that camera. Even though the people that would buy magazines would buy more if you work it, it just always felt weird. It's not me. So if you ever look at any picture of me, I am not working it. I'm just standing there trying to look good and elegant and frankly, so many times I've gone and uh, there have been times that I've gone to an event with Brin and and and done my own makeup and then felt like, oh God, why did I that look like shit? Or my hair? And because even though it was just a kid's event, the photographers put this these pictures everywhere, so then you're self conscious about that. There have been times when I've gotten really great gland, but like the person wasn't as good as I thought, and then I leave and or my bra strap was showing, or my hair was had a hair flying up. And then you went all that way and you got dressed, and you went to this event and you took his pictures and you tried hard. This time you got the gland, and you're still screwed up. So when I tell you that, I think that it looks like a lot of pressure, way more than you can imagine. It is like I watched Addison Ray, who's fairly new at this in the world, right put her hands up like she was this angel at the met Ball, like just you know, like Jesus on the cross so they could get the right picture of her. And um, Vanessa Hudgins had these massive, like black angel wings and you've got to come there to perform. So I think about the theatrics and I know that it's not that on my radar, and it's been going on for years when it was even way less on my radar. But I think the origin of the event, so it's the I think it's a costume institute. It's the met Ball. I mean, it's obviously about fashion. It's celebrating fashion. It has a theme every year, and um a host every year, a co host with Anna Wintour, who's iconic and I would love to have her on here in the HB i C of all HB i C s UM because she's had that cut throw job for ever. But it doesn't see it used to seem like people wou address elegant and look at the theme and there was like a respect in a way. Now it seems like a fucking sir gifts like it actually seems like the Circus Institute, you know, for fashion, because it doesn't some people really seem like they're they know what it is, they feel comfortable in it. It's part of their DNA, and they're they're sort of doing it properly, which could be superficial in and of itself. So I will say Blake Lively, who I think is the most incredible style icon besides Haley Bieber in the world. Like ever, I don't I mean, I'm including like Audrey Hepburn, who's phenomenal, Like I think Blake Lively is a game changer fashion wise because she's still a mom. She doesn't seem desperate. So Blake Lively shows up in this gown that I initially didn't love that much. Other it's like a rose gold Mirrory type of gown. I don't totally get it or bronze, Like I didn't really get it. I needed a minute, right, which I love. I love that, like I needed a minute, you know, to really understand it, because that happens with the best songs week we love. So then I'm watching all night and I'm watching her makeup, which my friend Christopher Buckle did, and her emerald ear rings just like reflecting, and then the people from the fashion house, which this is a whole ordeal, like you're allowed to stop before you even let a photographer take a picture of you, and like everybody makes sure that the picture that's hanging on the wall there for everyone to see is going to be what it's supposed to be. So I love that because I don't do that on red carpets. I feel uncomfortable, like, oh hi, everyone I'm gonna now put my dress a certain way and put my Angelina Jolie through the slip forward in a very intentional way for you. But that's what you have to do. And maybe one time I'll do that, but I just I'm not good at that. So back to Blake, her designer teams. Her design team comes up and they take this stress and they unsnapped and they pull her gloves off, and it has evolved from this bronze into this sort of like you know, r e l of the Sea blue, which I guess it represents the oxidization of Grand Central which and and her dress had like the stellar the constellation from the ceiling in there, and it's like a reflection of New York and glamour and like that's a theme. But she also still was elegant, like she she was theatrical. That was by nature theatrical. The dress turned into something else. There was a big popping circumstance with the people. Uh, it evolved, but she maintained that respect and the elegance of this event. That is what I think of it as we think of it as the met Gala. It's a ball, like she was at a ball. You know and Rihanna when she has her head dress, and it's like unbelievable, and it even even though it is like to the hilt of theatrical, it's still like a ball. I can't explain it, um, And I just feel like many people have just chosen to use it as a way to one up other people. I get more attention, look at me. All that matters is that I did it bigger and more outrageous and more outlanged than everybody else, versus riding that line and also like respecting what it originally was intended to be. But you know, I think I think that you know, Kim Kardashian never year takes chances um. Last year in dressing and covering being completely covered was it was, it was an fascinating risk, and she she she took it over. And this year it was way more subtle. It's ironic because she was wearing one of the greatest icons in entertainment and American history, Hollywood, you know, wise like Starlett was. She wore her dress Malan Morose dress, but it had an understated elegance to it. You know, it seemed almost like because of her relationship, she wasn't going over the top in that way and needing to, you know, take it all over. It was a slightly more understated. I have no idea if that was intentional, because wearing Marilyn's dress is certainly an attention grabber. Um and and and I think she always nails it. I think she's stunning. I think she looked amazing. I think losing sixteen pounds to fit into my Allen's dress I get. I mean, I get it. You're preparing for a role. This is a role, you're on stage. I get her choice. I mean I don't get it because I I literally eat the same way on Christmas Day as I do putting on an outfit. But I think that saying that publicly was a mistake. I think that young girls hang on every word she says. Look at everything she does, and we can't keep pretending that this is all just inspirational and aspirational because the people that they're influencing skew young. You know, she does hit the moms, which I do too, but the moms have eating disorders to to, you know, and the kids get the messaging from the mom. So like whether she speaking to tweens, twenties or moms across the board saying you last sixteen pounds year before or that year that she looked amazing, and that wet outfit that she like, I don't know how to like tie her waist, you know. And and the thing is they don't care, and they certainly don't care what I I think. I hope you care what I think, or I hope I care what you think because we all dance around it because they are the car Kennedy's, you know, they're the car Kennedy's, the most powerful family in this country that has made so much money. It's undeniable, most influential. I mean, this is undeniable, you know. Um, And it's not responsible to tell young kids that you lost sixteen pounds for you know, a costume. They are all so impressionable. My daughter just came into my drawer ten minutes ago and said to me, is that the glitter lip bomb? And I was like, which one? And she's like, oh, the top four when it's all over TikTok, Like that's a dumb lip cluss that she thinks is better than another one, which I already said on TikTok, like many of these things are the same as they aren't OLDA. She doesn't know the difference. She's eleven, So eleven year olds don't know the difference, you know, and when or fourteen year olds and if it's they think they can lose sixteen pounds of two weeks for a formal for about mitzpar first week, sixteen for whatever. So you know, that's where the line the line is interesting. And you know, whenever there's a big article on people that by followers, it's you know, it's certain people. It's Miley Cyrus, it's um. I forgot who the other people are. It's always the Kardashians, many of the Kardashians that have bought many of their followers. UM. They get caught all the time about filtering and air brushing. So we're telling kids you should pretend you look like something you don't look like very often, so other people think it's what you look like. You should. You know, it's it's acceptable to lose an extreme amount of weight five percent of your body weight, you know, in a in a in a week or two, like the messages we have are putting out. Have to be responsible, especially when you're on a big stage like that. I just you know, the lines keep getting crossed. How do you tell your kids like, you look good enough, you're beautiful enough, You're beautiful just the way you are, You're beautiful natural. How do we tell our kids that they're beautiful natural and that they don't need any of this stuff if what they're watching is lose weight immediately filter yourself, make yourself any any any anything you want, Make yourself as thin as you want, as tan as you want, as blushed as you want, as as as flawless as you want, as small as a waste as you want. I mean, it's just got to be wrong. So that's where the line is. I think that Hailey Bieber is like another Blake Lively, but just more cool. You know, she nailed did her look was stunning and beautiful, and she understands the assignment. Blake Blake Lively understood the Yeah, here's what I'm rating the assignment. The assignment for the met Gala is to adhere to the theme in some way that's meaningful, not in some nuanced, bizarre fortune cookie way that you you you just uh interpreted, like some way that people could actually understand. You respect the event that it is and the elegance and and the homage to fashion that it is, uh, you deserve, like you've sort of earned the right to be there, Like you just don't seem overly competitive or desperate or thirsty or uncomfortable in your own skin. They're like you just That's what I'm reading it. And I think I think Hayley Bieber understood the assignment. I think, don't get mad at me. I don't know who Normanty is, whoever Normaney is. She looked amazing, she looked beautiful. Um, I think Vanessa Hudgins was theatrical, but you know, she needed that moment. I think that that was like a big moment for her, and people choose to do different things with that moment. But there's nobody black Lively is untouchable. Untouchable, in my opinion, something has come to my attention. It's something I've seen a lot. So UM, I do these sort of just beauty videos on TikTok about things that are and aren't worth it, like cutting through the bullshit and the being ripped off and the being totally duped. I mean, I want you to really understand that an influencer is influencing you. So the reason I started doing all these beauty comparisons and videos and just cutting through and letting people know that in most cases, drug store makeup gets you. They're just as as well as UM as high end department store makeup. UM. But so these influencers that are also talking to a young audience, and they are young to they're young people talking to a varied audience. Sorry, so every product, oh my god, look at the glow. Can you believe? You know? And it's almost like this weird addiction where there's a commercial on every single second that you're watching about this thing that can make you more beautiful and glow better, and it's amazing. And it's like pizza. This pizza is good. That pizza is good, the other pizza is good. All the pizza is good. Put them next to each other, but get the best pizza pizza. But you don't need all of it. So these influencers are being paid, and even if they're not being directly paid where it doesn't say sponsored post or partner, they're being paid in other ways by being sent product, or they're being paid for something else. A campaign that you did six months ago and you're waiting for them to give you another campaign. So you're doing it this way. But they're influencers and God loved them. They're making money, but we have to be more savvy. So what I realized was that it's a different land on TikTok with influencers. So, um, I don't I know Tank since she's been on the show, and um, I know that a while back during COVID, she I guess was talking to her followers about her breakup. I don't know if she was crying, but she was upset about it, and I know I heard that, like I just know that that's in the background, but I thought, and that's like how she connected. And um, I was flipping through and I saw this other makeup influencer crying to her fans. She's depressed, she's lonely. And she's told her fans before that she has gained weight and been depressed and been low and it's a young, young girl and now she's crying and she told them and she's talking about she's not being present and recording all the time, and she's posting all the time. And it's not that it's not that president. It can be lonely. And of course all these people are saying like we're with you, we love you and all that, and these people, just like the people listening, just that, people like the people on my my social media are there for me. They're amazing. But if I do something terrible, you know, they're they're gonna cancel me, Like they're not. It's not Paul, it's not Britain, where like I could do something you know, outrageous and they would still be there for me and forgive me. And it's not even this and these are such loyal and dedicated fans that have made these influencers. Um. And there was another woman a similar story. I saw her looking into the to the to the to the phone and crying and saying like, why do you feel so alone when you have so many people that love you? And I'm watching this theme of many people like sort of really emoting into their devices, to us, to to followers, and I'm thinking it's amazing that people have people to talk to because let's say you're alone. You know there are women have messaged me on social media felt very lonely, and I've said back, like, listen, you're not alone, and it's great to have these people that love you and support you. But there's this addiction to this social media and communicating to these people, um that make you feel good about everything, um, and you're connecting less I think with the people in your actual life. And a lot of these influencers are saying that they're posting all the time and they feel like it's an addiction and they don't take days off because I think that they wanted you know, that this this is feeding them in some way. And I wonder if there's a thing like talk sick, like toxic, Like it's okay to be loved and it's okay to connect with people, but like you know, they're not necessarily licensed therapists, and you're really like maybe detracting from other people in your life that you could be talking to or professional help, and there's just something there, there's some line there where to me, I'm thinking, Wow, these people are actually crying major crying, like low like depressed, and I have had very sad thoughts and I was very low and telling you know us the followers are the fans, and I'm thinking, you know, where's your partner, where's your sister? Like are you connecting with them? Are you connecting with us and not connecting with people in your life that you know aren't just feeding you in this way and this in this fame way, because this is like TikTok fame, you know, which is very uh consumable and constant, and it's uh, it's addictive. People are addictive. People are scrolling and like watching a bunch of stuff and getting in these holes for hours. So it's not just people that are watching, they're getting in these holes. I think that the people that are posting are getting in these holes too. They're addicted to the posting and that connection and they're being fed by the followers. So what happens, you know, when the followers go cold? And I've spoken to some people who have had things go wrong and who've had you know, cancelations, and they've felt truly hurt by these followers that they don't personally know when they abandon them, when they do something and get canceled. So I just don't know what you think about that whole circle. You know, you're you're treating these followers as actual family. And then if these followers aunt follow you because it's something that you do that they're disappointed in, you go way way lower. Um, you're not spending as much time with your own family and friends and relationships as you are with these followers. And is that healthy or is that cox sick? And I feel for these I feel for these influencers who have received fame and adoration so young, so it's feeding them um in a way that they feel like they have to keep it up, because being on a social platform like TikTok means it's a constant creating an and and and and being competitive and keeping up with other people. So it seems it seems like, you know, on the fringe, it seems a little scary. I've seen a theme and a pattern of influencers that have a lot of followers that they're really connecting with. I've seen a pattern of these influencers really confiding on a very deep emotional level about oppression, depression and bipolar and real serious issues. And I'm seeing them feel avoid and seeing them feel a void that maybe they feel with or without this app but about that they have to keep up, They have to keep up in doing this, and so much so that other influencers are writing back to them, So I feel for them. Drew Barrymore, who has a daytime talk show, The Land of Your lipstick is too bright, your cleavage is too low, your skirt is too short. You have too many white guests on, you have too many black guests on. You are talking about flowers too much. You didn't make enough spinach to flay. And when we come back and after the break and up with Clorox, and they are literally it is a hard job. They make look easy, but you are an actual fucking crossing guard in Look, kids, there's big Ben Parliament, like it's endless. Okay, You're on a fucking circle. Is I don't know if that's Trafalgar Square. I think it is. I have no idea wherever Bucking and pal like wherever, all like, there's a it's a circle in London and your fucking traffic guard and they're trying to tell people sept your scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Their arms going in ten different directions. Talk shows, everybody pulling you, syndication, talk shows, all the local markets have different feelings about what you should be doing, saying whatever, God bless, Ellen, Oprah, Drew Barrymore, Wendy Tamarin Hall, all of them, God bless. It's not easy. So Drew Barrymore said about that's why I wasn't built for daytime talk show life, Drew Barrymore said, Johnny Depp amber Heard trial is a seven layer dip of insanity. Some fucking bots, some local markets. Some people must have said to her, it's insensitive. Whatever. Okay, it's a twelve layer dip of insanity. Okay, it's a twelve layer dip of insanity. This is a couple who chose to stay with one another when they got into a domestic argument on their honeymoon that resulted in bruising and on route to Coachella, it was divulged that amber Heard, as a practical joke after a domestic argument with Johnny Depp put feces in his bed as a good idea for a fucking plat practical joke. Let's do a mad lib next time. It is a forty seven layer dip of insanity, and Drew Barrymore has to apologize for her insensitivity and put out an apology. And it reminded me of all of these apologies that people have to say that are not what they really feel. So we've entered the land of fucking watered down celebrity society because nobody can have a thought. People will think I'm wrong for saying it's a forty seven layer dip of insanity. Making fun of insanity. I'm not okay. It's in the vernacular. You look, you're crazy. It doesn't mean I know that someone's crazy, that they're mentally ill, that I'm diagnosing them. You can't say anything I'm saying. This trial is embarrassing to both of them, their families. It's it's it's fifty shades of crazy. And the bigger issue, though, is inauthentic apologies. People become robots where they have to apologize for saying something that's not You say something racist that you didn't know what it meant, You apologize and you likely mean it. You say something transphobic and you didn't understand what you were saying, You apologize and you you likely mean it. You say that the Johnny Depp amber Heard case isn't seven layer dip of insanity. I don't know why you have to apologize, like everybody's have to apologize because a bunch of people said, you have to apologize if you think you really did something wrong. Like we can't just get canceled for everything we say. We're getting watered down. We're getting like wrapped in cotton. It's too synthetic, it's too bullshit. It's just, oh my god, everyone just has to rush to apologize, and and why do we want inauthentic apologies? Like I'm not speaking for Drew marry More. Maybe she was from the depth of her soul apologize, but I doubt it because what she said wasn't really that bad. And I just think that so many people are being forced to apologize to make people feel better. And are we just getting placated, Like if you're if your partner apologize but you know they didn't really mean that. They did it because you told them to apologize, Is that good? Like do we just want like these false apologies because we told someone they had to apologize. I don't know. I just don't like it. It feels insincere, and it feels like every day we're holding someone to the point where they must apologize about something that might not be that bad. Um, all right, So anyway, watch that and see if I'm too crazy about it. But I don't think seven it's a twenty. I think me saying it's a forty seven layer dip is effect