“YOU’RE GARBAGE" with Jerry Springer

Published Nov 21, 2022, 5:00 AM

Jerry Springer joins Bethenny as he watches the Real Housewives for the first time…and he thought he’d seen it all when it comes to backstabbing drama. Is blood really thicker than water? We’ll find out.

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Yeah, welcome back to rewives. In today's episode, we're watching the explosive, iconic, and frankly unbelievable Melissa and Joe Gorga debuting on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, and let me just say it did not disappoint. I don't mean to insult my own rony episodes, but I think this could be one of the best and definitely most iconic Housewives episodes of any franchise since its inception. It holds up. Not every episode holds up, and we're choosing episodes that hold up that could be yesterday, crazy crazy crazy. Actually, I went back several times to see if I actually was correct that Melissa and Joe Gorga this was there. This was there, like Virgin Maiden voyage on the house was You can't even believe it. Whether you've seen it or not, you'll freak out. It's it's actually not believable, but it's so believed because it's so real. This is on my short list of one of the best Housewives episodes ever. With a fistfight at a christening, there was only one person who could break down this kind of madness, Jerry Springer. You are going to love this. This was epic. What a conversation to have. This discussion about this episode was like eating candy. Oh my god, it's it was candy with no calories. I mean, you're an icon in this space, and I think about how crowded it is and how if you're pitching shows two people, the word talk is now sort of like a dirty word because no one can really get it right. So what do you think about all that when you watching what's going on now and how it's evolved or devolved. Yeah, I think it's all part of the democratization of our whole culture. I mean it started out in the media. It started out probably with talk radio years ago before you were born. Um, you know, like Larry King had a radio talk show and people would call in. So that was the first time that the audience became part of the show. People would listen because I'd love to hear the callers and laugh at that. Then it all of a sudden went to television and Philadannia came along, and again it was filled out in the audience talking with regular people that and then that transformed once we had social media. The audience is now the entertainment It used to be just a bunch of people living executives living in New York or l A. Who would decide who the next stars would be, who you know, who the great singers will be, who's going to be in the movies. Now, all of a sudden, it's anybody on social media and so that's democracy, Okay. So yeah, so that so that totally leads into what we're talking about, because now social media stars are inarguably famous. I remember when I started coming up at the big agencies, you know, the movie stars and the TV stars, the Marska Hargetas were the ones making the most money, and people really resented um. And then it was celebrity chefs, the Emeralds were making a lot of money, and they resented these reality stars coming in because they don't have, you know, a skill, they're they're they're just on television living their own lives. I actually disagree, because I think the good ones do have a scale. They're producing while being you know, in reality TV. But um, here we go onto Jersey, which has been a massive success, and my producer Morgan thought it would be tongue and chee to pair you in this way. This show is about having accomplished, legitimate, successful media and entertainment people that I'm having a conversation with, because um, I tend to get a good caliber of guests on my show, and I wanted to have a conversation about these crazy shows with someone who I felt was appear in the entertainment industry. I thought that that was a different way to do this than me talking to somebody on these shows about these shows. So that's why, Uh, I think you're amazing for this, because you're very accomplished, very smart. But also you've been in the ship pit. I recognize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's crazy. I mean, no one would have picked me out of my high school yearbook or college and we's go whatever and said, gee, he's going to be in show business. So I don't have any talent. I mean, I think i'm you know, I think i'm a nice guy and I'm reasonably bright, but I'm not talented in terms of what we normally think. I'm not an actor. I'm not a singer. You know, I'm not a hunk. It's like, how does how I get into How did I get into this? It must be a good director of traffic. You must be a good communicator and connector and director of traffic. You can't have done the show that you did without being able to make the trains run on time and make people and get people to talk about the things you want them to talk about. That is a skill in and of itself. For sure. That is a talent. To me, It's as much of a talent, if not more, than just being able to be able to play another character. Because it's not as easy as it looks, and being a talk show host having tried it for one year is definitely it's definitely not as easy as it looks. But um, okay, so I could talk to you for ten hours and I would like to because I'm really intrigued by this. I'm really excited for today, like popped out of bed. Okay, so we've got New Jersey. Do you watch reality TV? And do you watch the Housewives? Uh? The answer is no? Okay, but I did? Well, I mean I'm interested. You know, I've never end up to watch my own show. Okay, I got it. Same, I become too self conscious of whatever, and plus I was there why I want the same twice? So, um, you know when I watched television, I watch for a sports and I watch cable news. Okay, so this is New Jersey house Swives. This is what I did watch the episode by the way, good you know going in, Yeah, I watched it was season three, episode one, correct, And it's interesting to mention. So we'll get into the characters. For the people listening who have or haven't watched. This is the infamous Jersey Housewives, UM Orange County Housewives, then New York and then UM Jersey or Atlanta. That's when it started to become an actual franchise. And this show is different because the men and the children are more involved than let's say, on New York and UM also paid in many cases paid. The kids and the husbands are pay are pay aid and they sit down in the interview chair, which is not done on New York and the kids really aren't either. And this what's different about Jersey than any of the other shows is it's family. There are a lot of interconnected family members and that's not what it's like on other shows. You go in and you go alone. Your sister might be in a scene with you, but as cast members. And just to give you a little background, this episode you're watching is the first time we ever see Melissa and Joe Gorga. That's that's why she's introducing her life and her kids. We've never seen them before. That's Teresa's brother and sister in law, and um. The behind the scenes, which does make sense to me, was that Teresa didn't want her sister in law and brother coming onto the show because it was her sister in law who was going to be the housewife and it's not good for family and if they're not close to begin with, I'm sure she didn't want to share the shine and the star, which she has after all these years, because Melissa's a star in her own right, and so there was family drama beside. It's even just what's going on on Camet is behind the scenes breaking the fourth wall family drama with those two. And apparently, you know, production was talking to Melissa long before Teresa even know that Melissa was walking into her show, which I can understand pissing her off. She's the cast member who has you know, carried the show for the last two years, and now her sister in law's coming on. It's just all kinds of ship that happens with Bravo behind the scenes. So that's behind the scenes, but I thought, I will tell you that I'm watching it. Other Old Jersey episodes don't still play like they don't hold up time wise, and this one did. And also I've been on some of the episodes have been called the most iconic, and I think this was one of it's not the most iconic of all Housewives episodes I've ever seen. I couldn't believe what went on at that event, and honestly, I've never seen it. You know, I obviously know what the show was talking about it. Uh So I said, okay, I'm I'm gonna watch it, knowing that I'm coming on your podcast, and uh and I watched it twice. Well, well, the first time I watched it because I'm like, you know, I've got my pat here and I'm writing down who's connected to whom because that's confusing. Plus they're all brunettes, right and that you know. No, I was thinking, if there are five, I'll well, there'll be a blonde, there'll be That's how I remember the names. But so so I have these charts and figuring out how they were related. But it was fascinating, and you're right, I get how people can be dragged into this. This is a soap opera um with real people, right, It's like a telenovela. This particular episode is an iconic episode. But and watching it back, because I watched a lot of the iconic episodes and doing this, my fiance was sitting next to me. He doesn't want he was compelled to this was it had a little we're gonna go into the details, but to me, it had a little bit of the Godfather authenticity because they're actually speaking Italian. These are guys in Brooklyn eating eats a pretending their Italian because you know, they have like tank tops on and their their their uncle's or in Italy. They're speaking Italian like they're legitimately literally Italians in Jersey, and there's an authenticity to that. And you know, you're my father, And I mean, it had like a reality to it, ironically, like you know, and Caroline was very protective of Pasta. Caroline was protective. Yes, So what do you think of the characters? Who did you identify with? Who did you like? What did you think? So it's Melissa, You've got Melissa, Teresa, Caroline, Cathy, who is Teresa's cousin, Teresa and Joe's cousin, and then the quieter Um, who's who's the mom? What's her name? Jacqueline, LaRita, Jacqueline. Okay, so what did you write they are all? What did you think of the characters? Do you like any of them identify? Well? Uh, I knew a lot of them growing up. I mean I can imagine them as young girls, you know, in high school and uh and very uh, very open, very they I mean, I guess that's what you would have on a reality show. But they are whatever they're feeling, they're letting you know. There's very there's very little hidden, There's no I'm amazed and I was always amazed with the people on on my show. I would argue that's reality what we call reality shows today, it's really not reality. Uh, it's um unscripted produced reality. Yeah, because what happens is they take us situation and then but because the cameras are there, it is impossible that the camera does not influence how you're going to behave. But I would say that's the same thing on your show too. They're both I think they're very similar, except the people are coming up. People that are coming on the show are coming with their real life. There's no makeup, there's no this is you know, they're gonna they're not coming. They're not gonna be famous, they're not gonna have a career. They don't even use their real names. But by the way, that at this point when you watched this show, it's funny you say that because what you're describing in reality television is now current two when you're watching it. We did our own makeup, You had your own They weren't glam squads. It was real, And in fact, I would say that Jersey was the most real because they really is their family. They don't give a ship, they'll flip a table, they'll curse somebody out, they'll fight a christening, which I really do believe would happen even if there were no cameras. It does exact read it. But I would say that then it was more real than now what they made a couple. You know, they probably made dollars each for the whole season. Then nobody was famous. Then it was like just getting started in Teresa had just gone broke or bankruptcy or something that people the people and I never got paid Other than right, I get it, but it's not as far as, it's not as far as you think it is. Now it's very far. Now it's very glammed up in glam squad, And then it wasn't It was a special occasion to get the hair and makeup. Yeah, yeah, it's just interesting and Um. In fact, it was the first season Teresa pays for over a hundred thousand dollars. I think it was furniture for that big house in cash. And later they end up getting in trouble and she and Joe, the one who had the stomach ache, bankrupt. They went bankrupt. They went back up, but later on they got in trouble with the I R s and both end up going to jail. Yeah, they go to jail. Both of them sat in real life separately. They had to serve times separately. They got divorced afterwards. But they're showing all this money on the first episode that they're paying in cash. She has no idea what he's doing at their finances. They go bankrupt. He's working at the pizza place. She's trying to put her pieces back together by selling the book UM and then, which incidentally is called Skinny Italian. After I had a tremendous success the first ever product success on this franchise with a brand called Skinny Girl. And then she does a Skinny Italian and it was a book. Um. But anyway, so they now we're in a situation in this episode where she's trying to put pieces back together make some money through this book to appearances, and he's working at a pizza place after they're paying for hundreds of thousands always a cash So they've had a ride, those two and now they're divorced. But but who's got the four kids? Teresa, the one that's the one she has. It makes no sense. I know, don't worry about it's just as long as we don't take it too seriously. But so that's the that's the or she has four kids. And her brother comes on and I couldn't believe in watching it back that was Joey. Joey Gorga, who's you know, the biggest real estate developer she says in Jersey, which who knows? In these houses are so elaborate. But I couldn't believe that Melissa Gorga and joe Gorga, we're so good on their first episode ever on reality television. Think about that, that's the first time they've ever been on the show, like as characters. Melissa walked right in and then there and they're in a fist fight episod scenes later at a christening. Yeah, yeah, that was worthy of my show, right, I mean and and and what do you think that they're doing in front of the kids. Yeah, but look, there are there are families that you know, people behave like that, and I'm aware of that. And you would think I think most people would say, good lord, the cameras are on behavior yourself, or this is a christening. You know, you don't like the other person, fine, don't push it. Uh. But the guys are worse than the than the women. I mean, the guys get into this whole macho thing about you know. I mean that that was you know, that's where you get these muscle shirts and that, you know, just absurd behavior. That is you you know, you wouldn't be shocked if a ten year old or you know, twelve year old on the schoolyard started acting like that. But when you got the children there and you're throwing tables over, I mean that's where it Yeah, I thought it just went over. Was it entertaining? Absolutely well? And parents with who've had too heart attacks, so right. I thought that First of all, I thought it was interesting that they did it. I think it's called the media rest, media arrest or something where it starts off and we see the incident that's going to happen, and then we went back that's not that's not that common in the house lives. I thought that was very very good production wise, and we see the massive incident and we go back and unpack it. I thought that was very cool. Okay, here's where it gets interesting to your point. So you see that like he wants Theresa to get the hell away from the table, and it's like, why was I invited? And then the sisters saying it was a technicality that is likely it all gets mixed together in this weird soup, so like probably because of the show, they're not speaking, so that's very meta. And then if it weren't for the show, Theresa and Joe wouldn't be invited, meaning the show is not going to low that. The shows like probably paying for half the christening. They want the Christening to happen. They're paying for the so they want this to sort something to happen. Of course, the show doesn't necessarily wouldn't say they want there to be a throwdown at a christening, but if they're thrilled to have it. And in one case, you see the camera guys obviously on the floor because you're the shots are coming from the floor, which was so much like your show. But that's where it becomes meta, Like if the cameras weren't there, I don't think it would have gotten to that level. Everything is on steroids. When the cameras are there, there's more alcohol drunk. It just exacerbates issues and then that brings up divorces that happened as a result, not as a result that happened that. There are a lot of divorces that come during couples being on reality TV. And I wonder what you I I would think you would have to know that. I mean, when you decide to sign the contract, you know, the couple of you're sitting at home with your spouse and you're saying, Okay, now, this is a nice amount of money, and this could be kind of fun. It's an adventure. But our whole, all our dirty laundry is right out there. Things are gonna be said because we're gonna be in encouraged to juice it up a bit, and you know what does that do to our marriage? So the question, the basic question I would have if if my best friend came to me and said, hey, me and my wife were thinking of going and my wife and I were thinking of going on this reality show, I'd say, you're crazy. I would never let someone I know have been on my talk show. My talk show was absolutely crazy, But as I said, it was honest in terms of the people that called us desperately wanted to be on. You could not call someone up and say would you like to be on the Jury Springer Show? Who would say yes? You if it was just a cold core So you would have to desperately want to be And our number wasn't in the phone book, so you'd have to have watched the show to know who to care go through all of that. So when we got someone there and they'd be on for ten minutes and that's the only time they ever be on, So it wasn't something that would change their life. It's a moment, it's a little burst, but reality shows this is and you've got kids, Yeah no, and the kids are watching this. You know that one girl who I think she was nine. Uh, well yeah, I think yes, okay or Melannia, I don't know. Okay. So she's watching this and crying and how does she have how is she ever going to forget that? And as a result, well, now we have families getting divorced and whatever. Well, let me ask you this question, what does it mean? They're so popular? It's so common. So I've said to Kathy Hilton in particular, what the hell are you doing this for? Like you're a hell? Like we understand what I was. Bethani Frankel was doing it for. I had eight thousand dollars to my name. I went on the show. It changed my life. It went up for three years. I left. It felt toxic, It felt the opposite who I was, even though I could have taken it. Although I left, I came back years later. I left again. And the reasons that I've left are because it's not who I am. It's not the discussions I want to be having. It doesn't feel like it reflects my life. Without trying to act like you're better then, but just knowing that there's something wrong with this way of communicating. And people are on medication, people are on xanix. I know house as many minimum ten that have gone on anti anxiety medication because of this, And it's like what And then they're on the reunion or after the reunion and they say things like this, I'm still recovering from that reunion. Like I literally had to talk to my therapist. But this is this self induced thing for people who already have money. But what does it say about society that that that crack pipe you go back to it because you want that fame, you want that relevance, you want that hit. It is dreadful when it's going badly, and it's half the time going badly. So what does it mean Jerry? Well, uh, we've grown up in a people today are growing up in a society where everything is shared. There is no privacy anymore. That all you do. You you look at social media, you look at Facebook, you look at whatever. It's every second of the day. Here, this is what I'm eating from right, you know, this is what my bedroom looks like. This is uh my kid yelled at me today. But in other words, it's everyone is has become addicted to there is no existence unless there's a camera on. Well, everyone wants attention but then that's some version of fame, so people are putting face. What I see on the Housewives is fame has a higher value than happiness. Do you ever, there's the blue level of plastic surgery. I am fifty one years old. There's there of the women on these shows have had plastic surgery. That's a crazy number. I have not had plastic surgery. Um, I had a boom lift that years ago, fifteen years ago. But you you start to live in this reality where you think that you should be doing that because everybody's doing it one hunt, I mean of filler and the young girls are doing it too. And I believe that in this case it's more important to look like you have a great life than to actually have a great life. There's a greater value placed on fame, is what I'm seeing. Well, Um, I have two thoughts on that. What I was gonna I was encouraged to get a face lift, and I decided it's cheaper to have my body lowered. So what I've done okay, But uh, the the idea that, yes, people want some degree of fame, but if you're if you're seeking fame, there's there's something missing because you don't need fame. You don't need fame to justify your existence, to give yourself self worth. And UH, that's why I believe that people that become well known or famous uh in their adult years, when they're already in their forties, UH, can handle it much better than young people because and that's why so many athletes get in trouble. But it's funny you said in your forties, because this is a very interesting group where there's nothing more desperate than a woman oh in her fifties that is gripping onto fame, doesn't feel relevant in their house, can't be relevant in the workplace, in any other space than this, because this is a very unique niche where these women reside. These women aren't fifty, but now many of the housewives are fifty, the late forties, fifties. It's an amazing career you can create on the housewives that you wouldn't get anywhere else. You get to be crazy, get drunk, talk about plastic surgery, the dazzling your vagina, and ship like that, and behave badly and do better for it. The more badly you behave, the more you are rewarded. So it's a very weird vortex here. Okay, all right, so what do you the Jacqueline and her daughter Ashley. It's funny because we're we're older, where those people that certain music we don't understand, and where of course those older people. So I'm gonna preface it by saying that you don't think I am whatever I have sucks your age, I understand, but still it's still I still these kids and the work ethic and the whole thing. Right. I came up, and I came up before you know, everybody was. I just came up in a time you worked eighteen hours a day, and I grew up in the Jeffrey Katzenberg. If you're not gonna come in on Saturday, don't bother coming in on Sunday mentality. That's how I came up. So Ashley's going and she's crying, and we're not sure exactly what she's crying, but you can tell there's a level of frustration. And I see this in young girls. I've had young girls. I've had young girls interview me for jobs, like meaning they're asking me how much they actually have to come in, how much they have to work, the hours of lunch break, And here I see a young girl, and she seems very upset about having to take have a commute from New Jersey into New York City, which is not a far commute, that particular commute, and wants to have her own apartment. And I saw an interesting communication style, and I thought, ultimately that as often is, the man is more, you know, is calmer in their delivery, and he was of delivering the message she couldn't. She and her mother wanted to just go at it. Both of them just wanted to go at it. But I thought that the mother's message was correct. It was the messaging that wasn't correct, which is often the case. I thought the mother was like, what the hell you think life's gonna just hand you something? And the father was kind of creating boundaries and rules for us. I wanted to hear what you thought of that dynamic and kids and having money and how you're gonna get them to want to work as hard as we did. Yeah, that's a common That was perhaps the most real life situation of the particular show that you had me watch. I had you watch it? Sorry, oh you, But as I said, actually then I really enjoyed it time you had me watch it too. And they picked, Yeah, I have to do homework every time too, and I but then I enjoy it, right, okaycause I had to explain to making my wife. You know, she said, you know, she came up to the office and sitting there. Why she says, what are you doing? And I said, I'm watching Housewives? She says, why aren't you? I mean, you know, not that it's a bad thing, but yeah it is. You know, we've been married forty nine years and she doesn't you know, this is she wouldn't think I would do this, and I like, so anyway, I said to homework, I'm doing it, but you're going on you tell the surprise we're going on the Housewives together? Yeah yeah, aversary gift, Oh yeah, that would be something. So anyway, but that's that is a parent um discussion with a teenager. And you know, at at some level, at some point, that discussion always comes up. I mean, it may come up when your fourteen, why can't I do this? Well, you know, maybe you gotta work for it first. And you know, you can't assume that just because we have money there for you know, you're gonna have to work for it. You're gonna have to so that just seemed so real. I honestly, I thought that was in terms of reality. I thought that it was a real, real discuss. Anyone wanting the show Yeah that has Kids has at some point may had that discussion, and people that it didn't matter whether you were wealthy or not. Even if you're not wealthy. You know, the parent at some point gets to say, because the kid's got a friend who's wealthier, how come I can't have that? Right? Well, you know, because I don't make so much money. That's why we can't afford it. But it doesn't mean that you can't go out and work and get it at a point, So that was it was real. Yeah, And you've seen on the show other times where they struggle because then they don't want to get the daughter the car, and then she's acting like a bit, and then they do get her the car. And in this case, the daughter is genuinely having emotions because she doesn't know what the real world is really like, and those are genuine emotions, and the mother, you know, sometimes you want to like the other day, my daughter said something about, oh, but all her friends were coming over and it has to be four not five, and they need we need room in the car, and I literally said, I've never I really never have said this to my daughter before, but I said tough ship like I said it, but it felt good to say because it felt like, who the hell do you think you are? And the mother was not being logical, and you know, men in many cases that I've seen, can be calm or in these discussions with the kids, they're not. Also, he also isn't in the day and day out with the daughter where he wants to rip or buy her ponytail. He's coming home at the end of the day from work having this logical conversation. I thought that the lesson for us, though, is the messaging versus the message. Like her message was right, her messaging was not right. But you know what, I wonder on this show if there was any possibility that the messaging would be right, because it's not as if nothing else was going on in the world, and then let's have this discussion. It was this story growing up and watching, particularly on this show, these adults arguing who had a bigger party, who has a bigger house? I didn't get invited exactly. There is such childish behavior by the grown ups nice that all of a sudden, the nineteen year old you're not gonna you know, if if they've just finished the discussion where almost every other word is the F word and stuff like that, arguing over just childish things that have no meaning in the real world. It's a point messages who's going to listen to that message? And in many cases the mothers don't have careers or work. They can't say I worked my ass off before I got my own car because it's not true, and they're active. That's a very good that's a very interesting point. The role models and the drama, and the superficiality and the showing off of the cars, and the pretending you have a hundred thousand lolls to pay for furniture in this big house, which you can't afford. It's a lot of bullshit. That's a good point that we know, but I don't talk about enough. So that's a good one. Um, what about well, first of all, the girl do you remember Lizzie Grubman, the girl that she works for, is the one with the Mercedes SUV that ran over the fifteen people in the Hampton's and she had a big try. Remember that story in the Hampton's that the girl. She was in the post every day. I went to college with her. I actually know her now. She went to Northeastern. Okay, she went to Northeastern. I went to be You you could google it. It was in the Post and not exaggerating in Queens every day. It was in the paper every day. She was on the cover of the Post. Lizzie is is Grubman. Actually my my law firm, my lawyer's daughter. Uh Alan Grubman is a big famous entertainment lawyer in music and entertainment. He's actually being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame right like now. And his daughter, who's a wealthy, wealthy daughter who had a Mercedes suv, was in the Hampton's at a place called Conscious Point and she backed out and ran over fifteen people in her suv. Nobody died but severely injured. And it was major lawsuits and it was a major thing. It was just a crazy New York when it was when you know, not everybody was in the paper every day because it wasn't the internet the same way, and it was crazy. So that's who actually works for. She has a she has a PR firm that was you know, she's she's gotten into trouble in her life, and I know her, but you know, she was a young she lived a fast young life. Um, okay, so I thought it was interesting. So now Joe is working at a pizza place, which is sort of like sounds like the producers made sure that Joe had a storyline for the next season and had a job, because no one on these shows would work at a pizza place as a pizza boy, as Theresa called him. So they're going through this sort of bankruptcy. She's calling him her pizza boy. He spoke to her so disrespectfully later when she's asking about his stomach, Like, it seems like they really speak very disrespectfully to each other in in the couple. What do you think about them? Well, it obviously I don't know them, but at least that discussion seemed a little weird, and it's it's normally not someone something that's someone which about on television. You're talking about the runs. Yeah, I mean that that just I mean but yeah, but even if you just say I've got an upset stomach, right, too much information beyond my fiance his number to go on the show. I think it's like fifty or a hundred million. There's no number for him because he appreciates his privacy and his happiness, and there's nothing they have that he wants. It would be a hundred and fifty million dollars to talk about his bowels on to I mean, I don't think there is a number. I don't think there is a number for him to talk about it, or me to embarrass him and degrade him to talk about it. And then she says Tommy, and he doesn't seem to want to talk about the runs. And then she's in an interview saying, well, no, when I have the runs, it's a very serious matter. And I'm thinking I think it's for anybody. It's a serious matter. When you have the diarrhea is very serious. Like she acted like it was more serious for her if she had it. It's a different situation. She needs to run to the bathroom, which we understand, and you know you're gonna be late, which we understand. Like I feel like diarrhea Trump's time being on time. I feel like a Trump's the runs Trump most things. It just feels serious for everybody. But you know, it's always the perfect excuse because you could be upset that somebody's late. But if they say that, you don't want to know anymore. It's so true. It's better than COVID or pregnancy. The runs are really a good excuse, and we don't and because it's degrading yourself that you have to get to that point where you say it. See even Jerry spring it as want to talk about the runs, right. So anyway, I thought that that, and they went into it multiple times. And the tummy, I haven't heard anyone talk. You can't how's your tummy? Walking into the christening? And now everyone's dressed in nice clothing and be thinking I hope it's good. It just felt like a lot of information. Yeah, I I agree, But you know that's Jersey um because in the the Gorga Houses over here saying with the christening that like Teresa is not on time, and they're saying family comes first, they missed part of the christening and family comes first. In my house, the runs come first and faster. So I feel like that's trumping the christening. And I'm just gonna have to say, I'm gonna believe that they were telling the truth. I didn't. And and this is just because I hadn't watched the show, so it wasn't clear to me exactly. Even though they mentioned it once in a while, I wasn't feeling why these people were so angry at each other. It seemed, yes, yeah, you would think on christening, you know, that is a family thing. But people think family is important, you know, in other ways, when they were sitting at the table, why did the brother is the brother joey or Joe? It's Joe Gorga, Joe giu dis Joe, j do you diys? Is juicy? Joe Teresa's husband who has the runs, which he'll will know would be vetted in history. And Joe Gorga is Melissa the new housewive. Okay that Joe, uh, that wasn't the place. Probably if I was his best friend and Melissa tried to calm and down. Don't start up if she comes over, if your sister comes over and says congratulations again, even if she said it before. Don't start a fight about who's on time, who's not on time. You want to have a lovely event for something that has significance in the family and they're going to remember for the rest of their lives. Just don't and he just says, go away, go away, using their language or whatever. I don't you know. It just seemed why are you picking this fight? Because he made the other Joe, Joe who's married to Teresa, seemed like a reasonable guy. It's funny you say that. Okay, so it's funny, but that's because I don't know any of the backstory. Okay, it's funny. There's you don't know a backstory or story that comes later. But like Joe ju Dice later ends up, it's seemingly having an affair, and he's like a nappa on a cell phone, referring to Teresa as a C. She's a C because he has realize he's not a hot mike. But there's some part of him that seems like he's just not thirsty for the fame, Like he's just in the background, just like she's doing this. So he did it too. He doesn't seem like he's on the forefront as a character in the show and doesn't give a ship. And there's something about that that I actually that gives me a quarter of him that I can tolerate because he doesn't give a ship and I respect that part, right, So he's not trying to be a star. He doesn't want to. And it seems to me that if Teresa, so you're in Jersey, you know, everyone's probably struggling with money. Everyone I've ever seen on the housel just doesn't have the money they say everyone every without exception, they don't have the money they say they do. So let's say that you know, Teresa and Joe are on the show, and down the street Joe Gorga who's charismatic and his wife wants to be a pop star, which is the case. You know, we're watching the fame over there, and now it's the third season and it's their time. In the background, Joe j Dice is chummy with Teresa's father and hangs out with him. Because Joe Gorgon is always working, he clearly doesn't work as much, and so there's a jealousy there in the family. That's bubbling. That's bubbling, and I think Teresa becoming famous quickly on the show is bubbling. So now Melissa's coming on. Theresa didn't want that to happen. And here we are, and based on what you don't know going on currently in two, Joe gorgo was just at this Bravo conference on stage, waxing poetic, he loves the stage, he loves being a star, slapping Andy Cohen's ass um you know, he threw a drink, I think on someone. He came into play to be a house husband. So it seems like he did want drama at that christening because he did invite Theresa. Whether the producers prodeed him or not, but he came to play at that christening and loves that there was a throat and that's what I'm getting. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm Yeah. You know that it makes sense what you're saying now, because that if you had never seen the show before, he looks like the bad guy now, then you start to feel a little bit that he feels bad because he's losing his relationship with his dad. But if that's the case, and he's had two open heart surgeries, why are you fighting He could have had a heart attack right there that it would seem to me that television aside. If this is total really true, if his dad really had the open heart surgeries, if that really and that they said he's all white and he looks what in the world, nothing then becomes more important than everyone settled down, given space, let's all behave we gotta get you know, my dad doesn't need this. It's so true because well, what's funny is they called the episode in the name of the father, but they should have called it family comes first, because Gorga is the one who said family in in my house, family or in the Gorges whatever, family comes first. You're not only not caring about the elderly who's now passed away, the father who's dead, and the daughter who's crying. Family does not come first. Actually, I know it was all much of stuff, totally true. Family does not come first because you would never act like that. And the truth is, oh the way he spoke to Teresa too. She walked over to the table. Even if she's full of ship, well she has full because she's got diary. But even she's full of ship walking over. Everybody hates everybody and everything. You go to parties, you gotta say oh, and then they walk away and you say, I don't like that guy. You play the game. You're at a christening. Hi, nice to see you, you look nice, Thank you. You play the game. She walks up and he's like, get a walk away, Get the hell away from me like he was nesty. That's what That's what came acrost. That's that was the first thing I noticed in the show, because well it was early in the show when they first showed that clip. Hostile, yes, and that how stility provoked and she really didn't do much. She was an outside. Another thing we didn't talk about. You You were a host on your show. No matter how bad somebody was to you, You're still the host there in your house. Didn't you feel that way? Yeah? But yes, oh yeah, well I just you know, I'm sure I have many weaknesses, but I don't have a temper and I don't curse. So but even disrespectfully, they walk into your house. This is the Gorgon's event they're hosting. They invited Teresa. She walks and think about the way they acted and ostracized their guests. Yeah, well no I would when they come onto this, When these people came onto the show them, I liked just a person because they didn't have everything I had in life, you know what I mean. They weren't lucky. They didn't maybe they didn't have luck in the gene pool of parents, you know. It just they didn't have the education whatever, so there but for the grace of God go on. So I never thought I was better than anyone who was ever on the show. So therefore I never got angry even if they started cursing it. They were it was each other. You weren't the conflict. But if they're coming on the show, they don't hate me. Otherwise why would they come on the show? No, I just mean. I just mean. If you're having a party at your house with your wife and someone does something really that you don't like, you their guests in your home and you have to act differently. Is to say, your guests and someone else's home, you have to act a certain way, and when you have a guest in your home to act a certain way. And they invited her and were nasty to Theresa. In my opinion, like people behave they really do. I'm not saying they don't have moments. But when you meet someone, you say, how do you do? Right? You know? You you behave a certain way. When you go to your church, you behave at certain way. When you're around strangers you haven't met yet, you're in someone's house, as you said, you behave. You don't knock over things, You don't. It's just normal polite behavior. Most people are polite, right, And what's funny is I might be I'm more conservative than people think I am because of the way that I speak and because, you know, because I curse or I'm outspoken. I remember going to I think it was about Mitzvah, and there were people smoking pot, like outside in the back, now, you know, And I thought that was so disrespectful, like I'm so naive, and I heard that at my wedding people were smoking pot, and I don't know why I thought that was dispectful. It's also double standard because pot and alcohol in many ways, and many people think alcohol is worse than pot. But I don't know why I thought that was disrespectful. But shots, doing shots that are christening for some reason, just have a drink, have a glass of wine, have a vodka. Doing shots seems very juvenile and christening. It just seems like are you in college? Yeah? Do you you know they're all, let's do a shot, like what? Yeah? I think if you're going to something that is basically Look, it's not for me to say what people do at christenings, but if it's a religious that's what I'm saying, Yeah, you behave differently than you do when you're act with your friends on a Friday night in a nightclub. That's what I'm saying. I don't think you're doing like you know, funnels at about Mitzvah. It's a Jewish event, That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying what you're saying. I'm saying, you do shots later on at the nightclub after the christening. It's the afternoon. Um. Also, I may be wrong. I've been to christenings. Um, why was everybody wearing like bridesmaid stresses? Did you notice that that the women that were getting there in the room, the sisters and you don't know? Yeah, well, because I don't know what you normally would wear. My assistant has pat a christening i've never heard of, like I thought in the best because it was on television. They know they're on television and they want to look. I'm going to show off my daughter. My daughter's gonna look better than their daughter, right, But no, the grown sisters of that we're in the bathroom talking about the glam wearing like matching dresses. Yeah, I didn't know. Maybe you're supposed to, but I didn't know it was bizarre. Um okay, So ultimately, what who saw are you on? Oh? Whose side am I on? Yeah? Well, in the show, I ah, I was liking every one of them, and I really felt like I understood their character. The only thing I didn't understand, So I wasn't sitting there to be judgmental. Yeah, the only thing I didn't understand. And I told myself that that's because I don't know the background story. But I thought Melissa's Joe or you know, Joe Gorga, that he could have He's the one that raised the temperature in the place that no one else was coming in ready to fight. They could have been you know, they could have been hiding their true feelings or whatever. But the only one who walked in there saying, you know, just don't step on my toes the wrong you know, just don't give me an excuse, give me an excuse, because I'm ready to fight. I don't think anyone else went there, you know, unless that's what the producers wanted. No, no, no, no, I can't. So there was no one. Uh I could really relate to Caroline, Uh, you know, kids leaving home. I understood that I as I said, I really understood the conversation Jacqueline and Chris were having with Ashley Um with their daughter. So I think they all nothing shocked me in terms of, you know, you'd like to think that way a second. What are we really fighting about? What are we arguing? But I do understand, perhaps when you're now telling me that the back story was that Teresa was unhappy with Melissa suddenly coming on the show and you know, stealing some of the totally. And it still goes on today. They still all these years later. That was years ago, all these years later. Teresa just got remarried and Melissa did not. I don't think she went to her wedding, and I don't. There's a competition that runs deep and it still stems from that and probably other things, but it definitely stems from that. Um. Caroline left the show, and I actually want to talk to her about something in television. She left the show. I know the Bravo would always love her to come back in some capacity, and she would like to come back in some capacity, but she left the show, and it's sort of like a den mother. Jacqueline I believe was let go. And I actually think Jacqueline is a decent ho house. There has to be some cock in between the tiles, like, there's gotta be some filler. I don't think she jumps off the page and is the most mercurial housewife. There have to be some temperature reducing housewives mixed in. Kathy also was let go and I liked her husband, the Lebanese guy, Richie. They came on my talk show, so I've always sort of liked them for some reason. I don't know why. Um, But that again, I don't think there's any room for filler. It's like they want all people that really bring things to the table. So it's the current state of housewives. There aren't a lot of filler. And when you're on the Housewives, you don't want filler yourself too. You like, get out of the way, filler person, because I want to go where the meat is. And we got to get these ratings up. So maybe I'm contradicting myself based on but but as a viewer, you need some people that aren't always gonna be at a tent. Yeah, yeah, otherwise the tent doesn't seem like a ten anymore. So what was this Christening fight? A six? Five. No, that was I'd say six or seven could have gotten to a nine. If not, well, obviously there was no No one was taking furniture and smashing ahead or something like that. Well Teresa did flip a table at one point, but yes, not in that episode. Yeah, okay, seven is all the seven. But but the thing which you know, the dead that was going on, that's the first thing that struck me. When they started the fight, someone says that's his father because you couldn't see who was in the fight. And then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh that part I forgot right. And then at the end it seems like the father is very disappointed. It's not very often that a father is taken a side of the son and law versus the son. That's like, that's pretty yeah, and that that got Joe. That probably is the thing that hits them more than the Then what's going on with Teresa, And if I think about their current arguments, there's no the parents. I think the mothers passed. I don't know, but the father is dead, so there's nobody to keep anybody in check, meaning they could fight as much as they want now because they don't have to worry about what the father thinks, so he's approval or anything like that. It sounds like you relate to Caroline the most and the whole episode. We had to be one character who would be oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, it's hard for me to relate to Caroline, probably in terms of, you know, I'm seventy eight years old, so Caroline was the only one who was win thirty years of my well, okay, and you know, so it's uh, but they they all of them had what I consider electric personalities. I mean they all you noticed everyone, but man, I don't mean just because they're all good looking. They had something going on there. Chari okay, exactly when they walked, when they came on the scene, they were noticeable. Did the cast state did a good job? That's nice. I'm gonna that's nice. That's they'll probably love to hear that. And who um, Well, then the only two more questions, what's the rose and thorn? What was the best part of the I don't know, the best could be something bad that you didn't like, but the best part of the episode and the worst, well, the runs was the worst. Okay, I mean, just I know, we don't need it. Uh. Well, the most exciting part obviously was the fighting part. That's okay, yeah, the fight and the runs, But the ones where I was invested in was the parents talking to the door to Ashley. So I thought Jacqueline was excellent in that um episode. And uh and yeah, I think there was no bad party in all every you know, maybe because I was so concentrating because I knew I would have to be tested. I'd be tested, So I really, as I said, I drew diagrams I got up. Please keep those. Just don't throw those away. I may want those at some point for something. I don't know why, but I think Jerry Springers diagrams on the Housewives seems like something that I will want. Yeah, I'd like, well, I'd like to frame them if it's if it's all the same to you. So my producer is going to get those because I just feel like Jerry Springs. These are Jerry Springers diagrams on the Housewives. I mean exactly, thank you I have, Yeah, I thank you. I need those. Um, yeah, it's funny, you're reminded me. I like Jacqueline, I like John as as a cousewife. And then I guess the last thing, which I think we know, but you could crystallize it. What's the what's the takeaway of the So what's the life lesson? The family should come first? Well, it's you start out with you have the deepest connection to the family. Uh and they're the family is there when you're born, when you're you know, a young child, the impressionable years, so the family never leaves. But as we grow up, then we marry someone, we have an extended family, we have relationships with people we work with. UHH. So your life becomes more complicated. All you have to do is look at how you spend your Thanksgivings over the years. You know, first you always at quote home with mom, and then all of a sudden, well now every other year you're the other family, and then that becomes your family. And then your kids they live in another city, then you're going there. So the family is tossed around a lot. Yes, it has many, many parts to it. Yes, Jerry, I love that. That's so prophetic. So you can't just say family comes first, because what is the family anymore? Mom and dad? What happens when mom and dad aren't around anymore? Now you have children, you know, and when your minds your grandkids. So then you you know, the family just keeps growing and growing and growing. It's very it's a very large family. It's a very very interesting thing you bring up because you've been married for you said forty seven years, right, forty nine years. So your wife in the in the first five years was your family, but not totally your family and made it could have gone sideways, and I'm sure almost did, like every other uple a million times. But your wife really became your like real like blood family. But that evolves and and then and I bet after all those years, your wife's family became your family. That's a very it's true. Like my fiance and I've been together four years. My relationship with his mother is different than it was before. I'll just call her on my own all the time and just say something or complain or complain about him. My daughter loves his mother and wants to see her as her family. And my daughter loves my fiance more than anyone, like lives for him. So that you know, it's interesting what you say. Yeah, that's true. So and everybody can't always just get along, and so I guess, and Teresa now has a new husband, and that's now her her family with her kids, and Joe's family is is Melissa that and their parents are that. That's a great But I know it sounds like a simple point. I'm glad I asked that question because I almost didn't because we had talked about it so much. But it was the best My favorite part of talking to you. I just don't think of it that way. The only shifting. Usually the favorite part of talking to me is the end. That's that's what they say at parties, and Jerry's about to leave the best time ever. Like when people come up and they talk about my show, they say to me, I loved your final four because was the show was over. That's very that's very Jewish thing to say. That's amazing. Well, tell your wife thank you for letting me borrow you and you watch in the Housewives. That's why I really love the show, Jerry, because it's so ridiculous, Like why are Jerry Springer and I talking about Joe Gorgon? Like why it makes no sense? But it makes all the sense of the world because you gave me such an amazing, poetic answer. And I'm sure if I met Joe I would just hey, guy, how are you doing. I grew up with a lot of Joe. I bet you might maybe because the show, you'll meet Joe Gorgon like he could hurt me. He also is very sweet. I've met him. He's very nice and very gentle. He could hurt you. He's very sensitive. This is his first foray ever onto television. He wanted to come in hot and he did. And I don't watch that much either. I don't watch that much, so I'm watching new with you. Um, thank you so much. I want to meet you. I really do. Tell your wife I said hello, love to your family, and thank you for doing that. Thank you, Thank you so much for listening to rewives today. I mentioned it all and now it's your turn. 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