RHONJ - S1, E6 "Finale"
Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi joins Bethenny with tales from the shore, including what caused her to quit the show for an entire year, why she ultimately returned and what part of her life she hides from her children!
Plus, find out Bethenny’s new nickname for her and could Snooki as a RHONJ Housewife ever happen?!?
This is the episode. You all know it, you all love it. Teresa g d J flips the table, table flipping, fist pumping, Jim Tann and laundry. It's all here in New Jersey GTL Baby. There was only one person we could bring in for this episode, the Jersey Queen herself, Nicole Snooky Palizzi. This is the Real Housewives of New Jersey Season one, Episode six finale. We met years ago at a like a club as part of something like a big I remember it's like a buy an escalator or some big living room thing as part of something where do we meet. I feel like it was, um what are they called. I feel like it was like an upfront or something. But I was literally obsessed with you and I cann't wait to stop you. I mean, you've done so well. I have to say, like you really, you know, made a dollar at a fifteen cents. Don't you feel like you made like real chicken salad out of this thing? I mean, I'm trying to be like you, but I feel aren't you succeed? Yeah? Is it going well? I mean yeah, I feel like it's doing great. I mean, like you said, you know, you start on a crazy, you know, party reality show. We didn't even know it was going to be like all these seasons and still on air to this day. And then obviously you know you're getting all these opportunities. I can't say yes everything, so I said, actually love and um, I'm still going. So I feel like it's good. Yeah, I mean, it's just just snooky. So it's like good to be snooky because it's just like an iconic name brand person you understand, like it's just fun. So anyway, I'm excited to have you here, and how great for us to review a real Housewives of New Jersey episode. And I'm literally so excited for you. I love all your reviews and your Instagram and I just love how honest you are, Like you just don't give a ship, and I feel like that's been me always, so I just I look up to you. Well, I really appreciate that I presume that you know many of the Housewives of New Jersey or like you really know the show intimately. Yeah, so, um, I hung out with Molissa a few times, saw Theresa a few times. Um, I feel like the older ones, who is it the Man's out? Caroline, Caroline hands out? Um My husband knows the sun. So they're like a nice family. Um, so yeah, they're nice people. And do they live close to you? No? No, I think like an hour away maybe Okay, okay, And did you ever consider doing the show? Because I feel like there's been rumors about that? Is that were there rumors that are making that? Yeah? Okay, no, there's been rumors. Um, I don't think I can handle it. I'm like more of like the fun, like let's have fun and party like no drama, Like I hate drama. I know what happens sometimes on the show with us, and it is what it is, Like I try and steer clear from that ship, and I feel like Housewives is all that. So I feel like, um no, I couldn't. Okay, all right, So this is the real Housewives of New Jersey. This is the iconic table flip episode, and it's crazy and it's funny to go back and watch and for for no particular reason, even if it's around the same time frame, some episodes look more dated than others, and this episode does look dated, like it looks like from another era. Right, But this is the messy This is really the best time of Housewives. Like when I was on because it's more like Jersey Shore old School episodes where they're not too polished. It's a it's a mess. You could tell the productions a little bit of a mess. The way people look is more of a mess. They're doing their own they're wearing their clothes. It's not a circus where people have like f's and c's and g's every which way and they're like the jazz old Chanel with five different glad people was more like really fly on the wall back then, so credit not credit, but like because not credit for flipping a table. But that was before there really were outlandish antics on reality shows just to kind of get the ratings and kind of walk in with the plant. So this was the first one really and the Whole Housewives franchise where someone did something physically crazy. Yeah, and I think that was two thousand nine because I had to look it up to be like when did this come out? And everybody just looks like babies, like even like when we watch US, because We Are show premiered in two thousand nine. So when I watched the first episodes of US, I'm like, I look seven. I was like, I look so different. My voice is different. It's just it's so crazy to look back and see all that. Well, that's good, that's a good touchstone to say that this. So this episode of the Real Housewives was season one, So this is when you were first on Jersey Shore. Just to give everyone per yeah, wow, okay, so all right. So I also find and we'll get into this together, that I look back and see people differently now not being in it. So, um, Danielle is in the Housewives, and you get the sense that she's going to that this book is going to reveal itself in the show because the book has been been discussed. And I'm in the car watching the episode, I'm thinking to myself how recently at Leasta Wrenna left the Housewives, And I was trying to explain to fans that if there's a character that is that you hate to hate, that's often when they take somebody off the show. Loving to hate is amazing, you know, Loving to love is amazing, but hating to hate. She I believe became that kind of character. But at this point I wasn't there yet. Like, going back and watching the episode, I wanted to walk in and always thought that I had a bad taste in my mouth about her, but in this episode, I didn't blame her for certain acts Danielle in this episode, So I want to get into it. There's a part about this in the beginning where I think they don't want to hang out with daniel they don't want to associate with her, and you don't get that choice on reality TV, Like that's that's not there's and cast members discussed that, like I'm not hanging out with our math filming like that doesn't exist, that's it's false reality. M hm No, yeah, I feel like that's happens with us girls. You know, we're we're we're having a fight or whatever. We just need a minute. We're just like, you know, we don't want to see each other, Like I just need a breather because I don't want to see something, or any of us want to say something that we're going to regret, and then it's on TV and then everyone's judging us like they don't even know what's happening. So we're always like, yeah, let's take a minute from filming with each other, and then boom, we're all at a dinner and we're all together. When we said no, we're not gonna do it. So it's like we don't have a choice in that. It's it's our job. It's our job to all mingle and hang out and associate with each other, even if we do want to break well. And that's funny because you're more mature than the Housewives, because that's what happened when Lisa vander Pump wouldn't film with anybody. Teresa now wouldn't film with Lista, like no one really, Yeah, like this is your job because but by the same token, back when I was on the Housewives and we went to to Scary Island and they all went to this photo shoot, I didn't want to be around certain people, so I didn't go. And that is that's real, So I you could go both ways. Being forced to be together yours is different because you're literally living in a house together. So that's not real to begame. I mean, that's not normal life. Really, if you're forced to live in a house with them, you're not gonna not hang out. Yeah, but that wasn't the case for the wedding, the speech. We weren't We weren't living with each other. It was just like kind of like housewife style where we get together, you know, we go away for like a little trip, we're together, um, but that we're all living in you know, our separate houses. Like I'm you know, I'm being a mom. Everyone's being a mom. So I ended up quitting. I ended up quitting for a season because I was like, this ship is just too much, like too much drama. Like I just love being all about and I know so corny, but like I just wanted gonna be fun, positive and I just hate fighting with my friends and it just really like takes a toll on me. So I literally almost had like a mental breakdown where I was like I just can't deal with this anymore. So I literally put the show for a ear and then I was like, ship, like I kind of missed everybody. I think I should be okay to like go back into it. So, I mean, it's not easy that the messes up with your psyche a little bit. It does mess up either psyche. There is a price you pay. I've talked about this. There are many housewives on antidepressants. It's a price that you pay, is sure. Yeah, it's great, Yeah, you know, and no one can understand it until you're in it. Like, and I've tried to express that sitting in a scene, you know something's either come out or you've said something you regret or something, but the train doesn't stop. We're not like, okay, everybody, I've just said something or something's been revealed about me, but I don't like and I wish I weren't out there. Let's all stop and take a cleansing bread. It's like the train is still looking, but you're inside your head thinking what the funk was that? And now I still have to talk normal because I don't want them to see me sweat or whatever game you're playing in your head. It's intense. Yeah, it's a lot yep um. So that's you know. And did you have a feeling about Teresa's house, knowing how later her life and Joe's life would unfold when you saw that massive house in Jersey? Yeah, I mean back in the day when I watched it, no, because I was like, oh my god, this girl is such a glamorous life like Borga's house. Watching it now about like style wise, it is so old school Jersey with like the dark cherry wood and everything and the trim, I'm like, oh my god, this is so old school, which I have some in my house. So but um, I was like, oh my god, this is so, like you said, outdated when you watch it now. Um, but yeah, watching it now and seeing that, I'm like, okay, makes sense. Oh you mean the lavish I'm talking about the lavish or Nate the giant, massive rooms. It's got to be twelve best year and they both went to jail for avoiding taxes or whatever. Yeah. Crazy, but like also style wise and old and like showy old, right, So that that's a typical old school Jersey house to you. Like the designs, yes, because when I when I moved into my house, I think it was two thousand, two thirteen, maybe that was like all I wanted was like the dark cherry wood and like the burgundy like drakes and everything, like, yes, this house. Well okay, So now we have a scene with Danielle and her daughters, and I was moved by how pretty they are. Remember that I wanted to look at them now because it's crazy to see housewives kids now. Um, they all like models, but they seemed like sweet girls. It made me a little uncomfortable. We're talking about the mom who has a book out that says that she's been arrested. Was a prostitute, was you know, on a pole? And now the kids are on this show because the producers have to have the family on the show. So now you have two kids here and she's trying to say to them, you know, mom always protects you and like I'll always open for you. And I'm just uncomfortable about that line with kids and like this adult storyline. What do you think about that? Yeah, so I feel like for myself, I'm I try and distance my kids on the show just because there is drama. There's stuff that's like not appropriate for my kids to know right now. My oldest is ten, Giovanna's eight, and my youngest is three. So it's like, you know, I like to show the mommy side of me on the show and stuff like that, but it's like strictly like mom, like I'm your mom. That's it, like more of like parenting. Um, I don't only have like best friend talks with them yet, and if I do, it's definitely not going to be on the show. They're not going to know about the show. I tell the mom, he's an actress. So anything that you see that's wrong or I'm doing bad on TikTok, it's not real even though it is, because you know, I like to drinker wine, but m yeah, I like to like draw a line there when it comes to reality. My kids and you know the show How Old Are Your Kids? Lorenzo's ten, Giovanna's eight, and then Angelo's three. Okay, so yeah, it's it's not that far away from the ages that these girls are there and the moms talking to them, and they look uncomfortable. They look uncomfortable too, and the kids were in what's different in this episode that doesn't happen as much later? Well, first of all, Jersey is more of a family show, even more than Beverly Hills with sisters. But Jerseys, like the husband, the kids like, it's more of a family show. The kids are in the interview chair in this episode, which I thought was interesting. Um, that's that's not that common. Um. A big part of The Housewives is outing people to just be like you were stripper. That feels like it's just degrading and and and and holier than that. With with all the things that happened to so many housewives and going to jail and all these crazy things that happened, it does is a lesson for people to not really judge someone else's shoes. Yeah, and that's why I can never do the show, because like, I feel like, you've never done anything that bad, and you know, I feel like I don't have bad skeletons, but like if someone if I did, and someone were to dig that up and just come at me one day, no warning and say boom, I would literally I would be devastated. So I feel like that's why everyone loves the show though, because that's the only show that that happens on I feel I mean, I feel like other shows they try and mimic that, and you can tell scripted. I can watch reality, you can tell like that seems fake, that seems fake. But with Housewives, when that happens, I just feel like it's so iconic of Housewives. Like that's why people love the show. Unfortunately. I mean, it's bad for you guys, but it's great. Well no more, but it start off for me anymore. Right, It's it's someone has to always be winning and someone losing, and you just hunger hunger games because you don't know if if the arrows in your back, you're not sure you were somebody else terrifying. Yeah, So Jacqueline, you know, is my version of us to someone who seems like a really sweet girl but not but like she's sort of like a connect to tissue under the radar housewife, which is probably why she wasn't on for that many years because she's sweet and nice and many people I like personally, but I can see when they're just not that they're not moving that much story around. They're just like a really sweet housewife. But in this episode she kind of had a moment. She had a big moment at the at the end dinner with Danielle. So she's so Jacqueline is married to Caroline and Dina's brother. So it's so stupid. I literally just realized that in this episode, like I watched it before and I'm like, wait, their family, Like how did I not know this? Right? So Caroline and Dina are siblings, and so is Jacqueline's husband. So Jacqueline's friends with daniel And by the way, Disaster, you said you wouldn't want to do a housewives, what about doing with your family? No, because like my friends are like my family, and my family is obviously my family. I would be porn. I don't know how she did that, Like there's no good by the way that many I don't speak. I don't know if if Caroline speaks to Dina anymore. I don't like families divided by the show, for sure, families divided. So so we'll get back to the dinner after. So Jacqueline's daughter, this is about parenting and being strict. Are you strict or are you loose? I feel like I'm in between because my parents were really strict and I kind of rebelled a little bit. So I want to enforce the rules and do that, but not too strict. So I want to be a cool mom. But like were like, you're crossing me. So Jacqueline's parents, who seemed very relatable, aren't here for that. And then Jacqueline walks in and is calling her daughter, and she's on the phone and gives a little bit of an attitude to get off the phone, like they're calling her to give her the car, and she's giving a little I would have pulled it. I would have pulled it. I wouldn't have done it. Same would be like screw it. I would have just said give me the phone and not even say anything about the car. Put it back in the garage, I probably would have said, give me the phone, look out the window. That's what you're not getting. Here's your you know. I mean I would have been in petty, yeah, patty, because here's the thing with me, I'm not there's never any reason for me to be big picture strict because it doesn't get to that. It's like you know how your house is clean and you clean it as you go, like you're not you have a bomb didn't go off on your house one day. So with my daughter, if she even you know, I see kids the way they speak to their parents at the mall or something, just the snapping back just what like I see it at my daughter's school, like no, why Like if my daughter if she said, if she just did what I just did to me, just like the simplest thing like oh bring come up, mom, No, I'd be like, you excuse yourself? Ever speak to So that little moment on the couch when she was still on the phone like ignoring and had a little attitude, that would have been all I needed to Like, that would have been it to snap the collar would have been like nope, yeah, I feel like but if I so, if this was Giovanna, because you know, girl, she's already getting an attitude. She's eight years old old. Like she's just like me, but just I don't know, like worse, and I always know people say that and like be prepared. I'm like okay, and then I'm like, wait, they weren't kidding. So I just feel like she just gets nasty and like she could be the sweetest girl in the world and then all of a sudden just snap and be mean and write me these mean notes like I don't like you anymore, mom, And you're like, she could get yeah, and we haven't. Well you must not, yeah, but you must not be really checking at each time, so she knows to be slightly afraid of you. Oh yeah, I take everything away. And then she starts writing me love notes and everything. So I mean girls aren't easy. I mean, like boys, yes, they're hard, but I feel like girls just touch you in that certain way where they where they just really really get under your skin. And she knows how, and I just that's why I like my wine. She makes me drink wine. It was funny you watch them go in and act like botox was this crazy innovative thing, like the parents are talking to Jacqueline about her getting botox, and you know, they definitely don't agree, and getting botox is like getting your teeth clean now on the Housewives. Yeah, like back then, I was thinking, it's not like a big deality of book talks and two thousand nine, like, was that was that like not a thing? Well, I'm sure it was a thing, but all of us. I mean, I was in my thirties, which is not being your fifties or forties, and so I for me definitely wasn't doing botox And if someone had suggested that would have been like, oh, I don't need that because I'm you know, I was a little bit of late bloomer with anything like that. And then also not having money, and a lot of these women are nuance shows, like they're not living that glam world, you know, wardrobe and things like that. So I think maybe, yeah, living in the suburbs of Jersey at that time and your thirties, maybe you're just not thinking about botox yet. Yeah, I feel like I'm doing it. Yeah, I get it too, And now it's become more common, But I guess that's just a sign of the times. It's we're talking about thirteen years ago, fourteen years ago. Yeah, so I could see, like her mom being worried, it's poison in your brain, you might die. And then um, Dina, who I can't help. But like, by the way, I think she's one of the I say, it's fewer than five housewives that have actually really truly left on their own and up and fired, and that's a very close number. And I think Dina is one of them. And I like her. There's just a nice, sweet vibe about her. I like her, and um, I also like this not modern conversation that she's having about wanting to be a stay at home mom. I mean, I feel like I relate to that. It doesn't matter what it's nineteen sixty five. Like, you know how much time you have with your kids. You know that they're not getting any younger. You know that this thing that happened at thirteen isn't the same thing that happens at fourteen. You know, was with my daughter's school yesterday there in bought mitsa season where it's a nightclub every Saturday. Someone's bought Mitzvah bar Mitzvah, and the fourteen year old boys were saying, well, next year we'll just be going to house parties, people's houses. I felt like we taken out a whip, Like what next year? So last year, you know, it was baby talk. So I like someone who just wants to be home and not miss any of that. Like I get that a lot. I am that in many ways. Yeah, I feel like with my job and traveling and firming here and there, um, a lot of people take their kids and I just don't have that luxury because they're in sports, they're in school. I can't. I'm not gonna pull them, so like I'm being selfish and like I see them, you know what I mean. So I only give like three days maximum away from the kids. Like I just I love being home. Like, don't get me wrong. I love working. I love filming and doing all of that. But that's like my second love, like obviously my first love as my kids. So I love being home. I love you know, cleaning the house and like making dinner for my kids, driving them to sports, Like I'm I'm going to get my daughter at a cheer right after this, dropping myself off my breast sling. So like that's that's that's my happy places, being a mom, being with my kids, and like, you know, just everybody safe in my house and I have a glass of wine and I watched my Netflix exactly I got got it. I like I like it to know. I like it as a truth and for me too, it comes first and everything revolves around it. And that's the end of the story. Um, the stuffed animal situation. I mean, I I have massive organizational issues like I have. I'm the most psychotic organized person. To another level, to another level. That was that was an episode of Hoarders. I've never seen it. The candy in the drawer. I was like, They're gonna be mice in there. I was like my house panicking. There had to be a ton of spiders under that bed with all the stuffed animals. I and I wanted them to make that big stuffed animal chair. You've seen that chair. They're like they take all the stuffed animals, stick them together and like you attach them to So I just wanted them to do that, but they did not do that. Um, And oh my god, the dog is so like scary Jersey like security dog, a German Shepherd, the German Shepherd airline dog. Yeah. So we just adopted a dog two months ago because my my kids have been dying for a dog, and I was like, Lorenzo in your tent, we'll think about it. And then I just did it, adopted a little sheep. Who um. But my husband always wanted a German Shepherd. He's like, we're going to get a dog. We're getting a German Shepherd. And I'm just like I'm not ready for that. Like let's start. Let's start with a with a little you know, with a little doggie, and then if you know, we do good, then we'll get another one. So, yeah, German shepherd's. Everybody here wants a German Shepherd. Oh really, that's like a thing. That's a hilari thing. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's like a serious dog. Gorgeous animals, but like that's a very serious I love them, but it's like, you know, it's a lot. Um. Okay, So we're getting close to to to the to the meat of the matter. I'm just trying to do some for a play. Um, let's get to the restaurant. We're at the restaurant, so there are kids at the table. I just don't think the first time around, I really realized how much there are kids at the table. And how much hypocrisy is gonna go down. This should have been called the hypocrisy episode. Okay, so the parents are there, the kids are there, and now we're talking about Teresa's boobs, vagina and how much he wants to have sex and he's trying to have sex with the right after surgery. It's making me sick, like I don't want that thought, you know, you know it and if you had a c section or after you had your kids, like you have to wait six weeks, but the thought of it is not like leaving a breast surgery and he's trying to have sex with her, like put him in jail. Then I would have died because I got my bovie son, and I remember leaving and I was just hysterically crying in pain, like so much pressure. But talking about the kids me as a mom, like you know, thinking, Okay, I'm filming with my roomies. I know ship's gonna go down. I would not bring my kids because I knew, you know, knowing that I'm inviting someone that I have an issue with and we're drinking ship mean and wine, like she's gonna go down. So I don't know why they broke their kids know. And earlier in the episode, Dina was talking about her I have a twelve year old So Dina's daughter is twelve, and Dina is talking about Lexi's boobs at the table, Brinton, I mean, if I do it, If I did in front of my assistants, who are girls who were twenty four years old, and my daughter are doors and her like sisters star up I heard her boobs in front of one of them, she'd be so upset. I cannot imagine on television talking about my daughter getting breasts like that's they like, they do not want to talk about their period, getting breast. It is not something to bring up on camera. Yeah, that was oh my god, Oh my god. Um. And at the dinner, I noticed that like Albi and Chris, I think they're laughing really hard at like the Joe's sex conversation, and I'm just like feeling a little bit of misogyny. You know, there's always that person who's like a little bit of an animal, and the younger guys like look up to that person for the wrong reason. So they're talking about sex and all the wrong things and so many appropriate in appropriate things and the sun even though they're in their nineteen eighteen It's just like it's not appropriate that they're like loving, they're listening to their parents friends talk about having sex, like, it's just not right to me. Well, even Joe was asking the boys like, is your mom's boobs real? Like if someone said that, so you feel like, what, like, why about my mom's books? Oh my god, I think I noticed that, but like yeah, yeah, wow, are you sure? Okay, So the most staged thing is obviously Danielle just taking the book out. Oh my god. Yea. The brucer said it's time and she took it out right, it's and having it and the whole thing right right. Totally dramatic. Um, But I give her cry it for cutting it off at the past. So I did respect that move then. I just don't think back then I did. I respected it as a move. Yeah. I also loved the fact that she was just honest and she wanted and she was She wasn't screaming at first. She was just like being honest and just talking getting her feelings out. Then she got interrupted. It was just like a snowball effect. But I love the fact that she was like just kind of just talking in a normal voice and saying, listen, I just want to talk this out. Here's what it is. And I kind of I respected her how to how she brought it up, so it's like, well, I'm very classy of her, by the way, but I don't think the audience and I felt this way when it first aired years ago. I don't know why. I think we were more um prudish or we thought someone who because back then, like everybody didn't have a book, everyone didn't write everything. Everything was in page six back then, like a book coming out with the housewife in it about the person's past was very salicious, like Alex's nude pictures. Who cares? That would be a Tuesday now. So I think that when watching and I want someone to like, I want to check on this, but the listeners will know. I think that Danielle was more judged than the way that we both respected it. So I had the same take as you. I thought they are judging her. And she's saying it was ninety. I don't know how many years ago. She's saying it was twenty nineteen years so it's nineteen. What the hell ninety? Someone said to me recently, Oh, you're failed talk show which by the way, I didn't love doing and that was literally over your show. Oh thank you. I was going through a terrible divorce and it's just not my genre. But someone said it to me, and I thought, what was your hairstyle like over ten years ago? Like, I mean, yours was similar, but but other people, you know, you know, you had you had you had half up and half down like you do now, but you didn't. You don't mean it's kind of the same, but you don't have the poof but um, but yeah, like to be so sad, demonious and judgmental and come in and talk about what someone did nineteen years ago. So she's coming in and saying, Hi, two things are true, two truths and a lie. They should have called the episode two truths and a lie. She's it's two truths and one. I was not a prostitute. So now Teresa gets a little sanctimonious a us knowing that later she would be arrested. So the thing that she's coming after Danielle about in this book is that you know, cop of that badge I think it's called, is that she was arrested. And also Teresa, who's just been talking about her store vagina is now say you were a stripper, well, judging that you were a stripper, yeah, And also I don't want my kids around this. You would just talk about the conversation. Yeah, you know what I mean. No, yeah, but I can't. I feel like for me, I don't. I don't judge anyone's past because it is what it is. And for that to be what was it you said nineteen years ago? I think it was twenty five years ago. Oh my god. And they're they're they're all like, I can't believe you did that, Like it's twenty five years ago. I feel like they didn't have anything else to talk about, so they had to talk about that, right, And she changed her name. But if you had gotten arrested twenty five years ago, you might change your name. So no one judged you by that, which justly what was happening. Yeah, I mean, well I did get arrested, but it was it wasn't not bad, right, well, you know, but he conducts not Yeah no, no, we did just a little just a little d c um. Yeah, but I think her thing was more serious. And you know, that's the that's the risk you take to going on a show when you have kids that are gonna watch this and like they're gonna have to drect this up to they probably didn't know about this. It's it's you pay a price, mm hmm um. But so I was l O L and when she's like I don't want this in front of my kids, like that became the holier than that. That's hypocrisy. Um. I noticed Caroline, you know, acting like she's the boss of every scary Yeah, she's like the mom like stop it. I know she's intimidating. She I always thought she was intimidating, but you know, like in I don't know if it's I want to say, like a boss way, but then sometimes it's just like like taking over, you know, like we're all adults here. You don't need to mommy me a little bit. And I feel like that's that's how she was coming off in that argument with all the girls. Oh, I would have been I would have been like, I wouldn't have allowed that, Like I don't I don't do that, like you're not we're all at the same table. I would have been like, what do you like the moderator? I would have been all over that. I realized that now I would have been like, take it easy. Is the Supreme Court hearings relaxed? Judge you, So I would have fully been like absolutely not. But um yeah, I just just thinking like, no one, everyone doesn't deserve to know. Tell me every skeleton in your closet, Like everyone we're at a dinner, that is to like, for someone to explain themselves about their past over a quarter or a century ago, it just felt like, who the funk are you'd asked me about my past? Like what happened? You know what I mean, Like I don't, I don't know. It hit me sideways where it didn't back then. M h. And I like to reset a lot. But I did think it was interesting. People in glass houses, people in glass Jersey overly designed houses. That's why I don't judge, Just just do you keep keep doing you no judge. And Caroline said it was interesting, the tricky little bit between Caroline and Dina, where Danielle kept going after Dina and finally Caroline says it was her. I have no idea if that's even true. It seemed like it was a half true. It seemed like there was something going on on the side, but like I don't know, but Caroline. Then the moderator is telling Danielle like, if you're going to attack my sister, which she absolutely didn't attack any funny. Oh yes, she was saying her piece. I just was gonna say she said, yeah, she was trying to resolve it. Um. But I definitely feel like she was trying to save her sister there and she was like it was me, come to me, and I'm like, oh my god, oh she she scares me that in that scene out scared. No, No, that was a distortion of reality. Nobody attacked anybody. Okay. So now Jacqueline jumps in, and you gotta give her credit because she stays quiet most of the show overall, and this is when she decided to get in right in the middle of the lions. Dan. Someone must have been like, get your ass in there, uh, and she says, well, well, Dina called her out. You know. It was like, Jacqueline, you have say something like you were there, like say what happened? And then I feel like she got fluster because you could tell she did not want to be involved at all, like she just wanted to watch what went down. She you know, she wants to be cool with everybody. That's her family, that's her good friend. Like she just didn't want to be involved. I think it was nice that she was, because somebody had to stick up for the girl, you know, just saying you know, she's trying to she's trying to talk this out or whatever. Um. But she got a little heated with her sister in laws. So it's like, oh damn, Like if that were me and my sister in laws, like, oh, I would do sleep because I love my sister in laws. That was That was her getting in deeper than she thought. But apparently daniel was on an island on her own and I did not remember the DNA prodd and Jacqueline to get involved. She was probably like, dude, somebody's got to help me here. And then Rocklyn did, and you saw Danielle say thank you, and then the sisters were not happy. Like but it did seem a little fifty shades of truth because it was like I didn't bring it the book, and then you felt Dina like a kind of brought it or showed it on a computer like it was they had been sort of caught a little bit in something. I can't explain exactly what, but they definitely were in the mix of moving this story around the town. Yeah. I mean, at that point, if you're talking about it and you're this far in the conversation and it's already getting heated, just say what she did, get it over with, and then move on. So I feel like eventually they were like, yeah, it was me. I brought it up, And I feel Likedina even said it before she left. She was just like, you know, was I happy that this happened, because you know, we're not in good terms. Yes, So I was like, I was kind of happy that she was like honest about it, you know, yeah she I mean, listen, there are red flags, but we're not judging. I think, did I imagine this or did you? Oh did Theresa talk about skeletons? So I think Theresa said I have no skeleton to my closet. Yeah she did. Yeah, that's that did not age. Well, that's funny. She said, I have no skelet into my closet except tax Yeah, tax of Asian. Interesting. Maybe that's why she got so heated and she flipped the table because she knew, wow, look at that. Wow, doctor snooky dcor snooky regular here. Yeah, and then she says something to Danielle and Danielle Danielle a couple of good nights. She's like, pay attention please, Like I like that, and then she later said something like, sweetie, the feeling is mutual. There was something there was something about that where she was like, the feeling is mutual. Um, yeah, well that's what got her going. That's what got her going. Dna copped and then said, I'm going to pray for you. That is so passive aggressive. Oh that hurts. Yeah, that is that is so passive aggressive. And Chris stops the whole thing. I like how we did that? And he was just like, you are acting children like relax, like we're all the families supposed to be a nice dinner. I mean sometimes you need that, especially with a group of women that you know there's always gonna be drama, especially all of them. It was nice with the fact that he said that to like kind of bring it down to be like what are we doing? But also you know, I'm still not over it, right, and he he was like, Danielle's welcome in my home. And that's what happens with housewives. So here's the problem. You become friends with people you wouldn't necessarily become friends with, and then you're introducing them to your kids and your family and they're in your house, and then the next month you're not speaking to them, and the people around you don't understand, and it's like, it's for the show, but it's like not you think it's real. It's not technically for the show. I mean, it's technically for the show, but you think it's real. Like you think this is a friendship, but it's I have really good, sustainable relationships built on the Housewives. It's just it's not it's not absolutely unheard of, but it's fairly impossible. So are you still good friends with everyone from your season? Well, I was never good friends with anyone because I always sort of knew what this was. I was good friends with Jill, and that was a very public fallout we met on the show, and then there was a fout on the show. I was friends, i'd say, not as close, but very good friends of Direnda, and I message with Dorenda, and I respect, I like Dorenda. But there are friendships that I haven't maintained kind of because of the show. When you're friends of people that are on the show, and you're not on the show, it becomes something that you're kind of always talking about. So if you've just left the show, you're always talking about it because you sort of like are checking them with your ex boyfriend to see like what's going on and who they're dating, and like you kind of want to know what's going on because you were so clear, like you have SOMA, You're like, what's going on? Kind of well, once you realize that that is not your world at all, once it rinses, like you know, and you don't think about your acts anymore. I never think about that. It's ironic because I'm on doing this show, but I never think about like my participation in the house Wives anymore. I watched from a far Lenger fan, which is great, So that's good. You got totally not over that. But then when you talk to people who are still on or want to be on, which Torenda does, it's all that's talked about, and you really don't want to talk about it anymore. You don't want to hear about it. And it's one of the things that when Kyle was Kyle and I knew each other for years normal life, and when she was going on I was leaving, and I just it just becomes something that's all people are talking about. You're talking about your gossip, and you talking about other casts angling. Everyone's always angling and telling stories, and like they all think it's real. It is real for them, So it's hard to maintain friendships. I call Sonya every once in a while just to say, how are you in? Happy holidays? But then she'll get into the show and this one's off and this one's on and this is and I just don't care that much, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, you moved on, which is nice, yes, you know, it's bigger things, right, Like it's like if you're still talking to you know, all the people that were in your kindergarten, the parents in your kindergarten class, you're probably not you have something in common at that time with that class. You're not talking about parents. So that's what how that is? All right? So let's talk about the main event, though, which is the table flip? What do you think? I don't know why I felt like back then it was more crazy, Like looking at it now, I'm like, oh, this is just like an everyday scene, you know what I mean, because with reality and like us and I don't just housewives in general. I mean that that happens all the time now, But back then it was like, oh my god, like what is happening and me, me being a freaking mom, like an old person, I'm like, oh my god, all the food on its able to They apologize to the owner of the restaurant, Like that's what I'm thinking now, Like, holy sh it, Well it's funny you say that because I thought so too, Like the table didn't flip over, like she pushed the table, and the episode overall, it's funny because choosing it, it was like I'm choosing iconic episodes, and the whole episode wasn't the most iconic. It was just that scene that made it. It was Yeah, it was like boring, that boring, but it was like different scenes that scene. But yeah, she pushed the table. But like if that happened with you at a restaurant in your real life, that would be jarring. But I understand what you're saying, Like Ramona threw a glass at somebody Lisa Arena and this one through like people have ripped weaves of Eva through a leg like and it is staged it's not like Teresa has ever done that before. She you know that reality TV is like you've added alcohol and like just taken into by it by five whatever you would normally do, I'd say multiply it by five. Yeah, or or because like if you're on a reality show with some of the kids that you pick up and drop off, you might say to the person, what were you think of when you put that outfit on? But you don't say that to the people that pick up and drop off because they're not on a reality show with you, and you didn't do this unwritten contract with them that we're all going to just say what we feel and do what comes to mind. And that's why it's like the housewives are like gremlins. You add alcohol and the cameras and they go crazy. Oh my god, we call each other gremlins. I was like, when we drank, we are all gremlins, were zoo creatures, were just like crazy people. And then we wake up the next day and we have to deal with build this drama and we're all hungover, and we're like, oh, like can we just take a beat? Yeah, we for each other gremlins. That's funny, right, So and then just shows their relationship. She's just what the table she goes over and you could tell like Joe liked it a little. That's an Italian husband liked it Like he's like yeah, and she's like, I love you and like it's normal. Yeah it's but then I love, I loved, I loved. At the end, she was like I never acted like this, like I've never done this before. Oh my batch, come on, I right. And also she's an iconic housewife. Yes, when I think of housewife, she's like the number one that I always think of Teresa. Yeah, she's on my might have a Mount Rushmore and so far she and Nini are on my Mount Rushmore. Well, well deserved. Yeah, I need to pick the last two. Um, all right, well is there what were your what was your high? What was your low? Who won the episode for you and who lost the episode for you? I want to see Asay won the episode for me. Surprisingly Danielle, I was like I really respected her and I feel she's a good mom in this episode, you know, like she's she's just being a good mom, She's good to the girls. Um. The low, I don't know to say. I felt that for Jacqueline because she got pushed into all that, and I feel like she's such a nice person and she just wants to be friends with everybody, wants to have peace, and then she got you know, thrown into that and then she, you know, she got upset. That made me upset because I feel like we kind of have the same personality in that episode because I hate being thrown and ship. But then when I am, I get crazy. So so yeah, I related to her, but I don't know. I feel like the table flip was so iconic to me, and then when I watched it again, like knowing I've done all this reality and watching all reality, I'm just like, that was it. I think, like, you know when you go with your high school, same way you know when you go to your high school and in that moment in high school, it's a huge high school. It's just like so big, and then you go with your kids and it's like this is the high school. Yeah, that's that's That's kind of how I felt with it. That's how I felt it. Love it. So I loved it. Loved it. Yeah, and it started, well, what's funny is my scene with Kelly when she based sickly says this is me, this is you, and it's like I'm up here, you're down here. I thing people thought it was the craziest scene. It was because it was mental warfare. It wasn't physical, it wasn't throwing something, but it was basically saying you're a loser and I'm a winner. And it just it provoked every single girl at every single school table that's not sitting at the cool table for lunch, and it just did something. And this table flip was a moment like that where just there's something about it just struck everybody. Um. But I think in going back, Teresa was celebrated for the table flip and Danielle seems like she was shamed for the book. And I think now watching it back, being a mother and all these other boring things that we're talking about, Danielle, Danielle stood up for herself and and just explained to herself where she didn't have to. And Teresa was talking about a vagina and flipped the table in front of her kids and then yelled at her for being a stripper and prostitute. Right, So you know, we as parents lead by example, so they do everything we do. There's no world where you would want your children to think that flipping a table would be condoned. No, And I feel like I've never done that. I said, no, I want through drink on the wrong people. I mean, oh yeah, I've done that, but like flip the table, that's the what's the worst thing you've ever done? The probably through a drink in somebody's face or the liquid or the glass. Oh no, not the glass. I mean that was good, yeah, or through shrimp and Angela and his hair and I was wasted. But so I think I have to steep throwing a drink on someone's like it's actually it's terrible. But that's saying yes, but it's like worse than a punch in the face. I think it's so just mean. It's freaking mean. Somebody said to me, I rather get punched in the face, because if you're gonna throw a drinking my face, I'm attacking you. If you're punching me, I'm suing you. So it's different, thanks different. If you're gonna throw a drink in my face, I'm attacking you. But then you're gonna get sued exactly. So I'm saying I rather get punched. Uh interesting, Oh you were looking at how smart again? Back to Dr Snooky. I can't with me Doctor Snooky giving amazing sound advice. That's exactly right, thank you. Yeah yeah, you'd rather someone punch punch you in the face than throw a drink on you. Was one you're attacking them and you're getting sued. The other you're getting sued. This is this is snooky knowledge. I like this. I'm really smart.