“Ok, Mrs. Roper!” with Jillian Michaels

Published Jan 9, 2023, 5:00 AM

RHOC - S11, E5 “Boogie Fights”

Bethenny introduces Jillian Michaels to her first ever Real Housewives and it goes as you might expect…accompanied by a little bit of “I did NOT see that coming!”

Two strong women not afraid to speak their minds…what could go wrong?!

On this episode of Rewives, we are visiting Orange County. In this episode, Shannon throws a seventies themed party. It was anything but groovy as she gets into a screaming match with Kelly Dodd. We are bringing in Emmy nominated Jillian Michaels to put us through an o C Housewives boot camp. This is Real Housewives of Orange County Season eleven, Episode five, Boogie Fights. Let's Go. It's so funny because, first of all, when I started the show, and then first it was Orange County was the first, like it seems like it was, there was Desperate Housewives, a scripted show, and then Orange County was the first, and it wasn't. Ramona got into a lot of travel for saying that New York kind of put the franchise on the map, but she wasn't entirely incorrect. It wasn't that Orange County wasn't successful because it was so most successful, but they don't live in l A or New York City, and it wasn't really a media darling until New York came in because all because all the real social lites in New York were so incensed about people pretending that they were social Lites on the Real Housewives of New York that it became this New York magazine article and kind of like then it became again. It was the beginning of this phenomenon. But when I was there, there was there were five women on New York, There had been five on Orange County, give or take, so that's ten, then Jersey, let's say five, and Atlanta, so there were like twenty women that you could kind of keep up with. So basically now there are hundreds. And the reason I bring that up is that you've heard of Nini, and you've heard of certain people. I haven't seen a lot of them either, so it's hard to keep up. Yeah, my god, I didn't realize they were hundreds. That's wild hundreds of women, which makes it more competitive to come in and do something or for each person to try to be like I'm the new this, or I have this product or and this is the same. Though. You know, I've been doing a pressing and everyone's like, well, you know, don't you think everybody's a fitness influencer, And it's like everybody's the house now, Like yeah, but you know, you've got the standouts, You've got the people to breakthrough, and the reason they break through is because they're relatable, right, They're saying something real people aren't just entertained by them, but they also identify with them or admire them in one way or another. And anyway, I think, yes, that's funny though, because I don't know, I've found that recently. I've never believed that all press is good pressed. I've never believed that, but more recently, and particularly with the Housewives, people are sort of known for just being like villains or just being a bitch or like you know, it's funny. People. You could be love to love or love to hate, but it can't be hate to hate. It could be someone that you love to hate and they're entertaining for that reason, or that you love to love them, but hate to hate doesn't seem to work in this genre. No, I agree with you. I hate to hate rough nobody wants to feel that way. When you hate to hate someone, you tend to tune it out. I think so. So. I think that Orange County and what I like about it, it's really messy, like watching and I had seen it in the beginning, and I've seen certain episodes. You know, Beverly Hills really likes to be polished and shiny and perfect with the head to toe of fendy logos and perfect hairstyles. And you know, New York is messy but tries to pretend they're intellectual in some sort of way, or like you know above above a certain like physicality that we've seen um Jersey in Atlanta. But Orange County is authentically messy. Like I love when girls on TV are just saying, we don't give a ship. We want either the ratings or this is how messy we really are and we're just being who people might even hate, but this is who we are. That's so interesting you say that because last night my wife watched the EPISO showed with reading. She's like, Dad, this isn't real, a babe, I don't actually know. She's like, is this real? And I was like, I I think so, I'm I know they'll say, like, Okay, this season so and so turns fifty, we're gonna do her birthday and maybe they might stoke the fire. But you know, you can't just call someone dumb right like that. No producer can make you call someone dumb. And oh my god, it's by the way, calling someone dumb would be a compliment on this episode. So it's boogie fights. Okay, So I'm gonna tell So I'm gonna tell you and your wife just so you know, this is vintage this particular episode. This is a while back. It's not the very beginning, but Tamar's with this guy Eddie. She's not with her first husband Um and Shannon is still married to the guy who's wearing that like blond afro and he ended up there was a massive cheating scandal that they alluded to in this episode. But he ends up leaving and being with some other woman, and she's got another boy friend. Now, this is back when The Housewives was less produced, self produced, because, like I said, there were only a handful of women who were on these shows and they were just walking into something brand new. It wasn't something where you would try to beat the show. You would watch all the episodes and try to raise the game, try to like beat the process and you know, getting your own head. Years later, you would see people looking perfect day and night, as if they wake up like that. You would see them creating more drama. This is back when it was like authentically messy. You just didn't give a ship. You were just living your own life. There were cameras there and case Sara Sara. So it's not fully fully vintage, but it's not like the new regime of a little more polished and trying to be perfect. That makes any sense, It does make perfect sense, absolutely yes. So yeah, this is like a couple of chapters ago in O C. And I just Vicky the one wearing like the mod outfit. Um, she's with an o G. She is the actual OG because she's the only she was on the first season ever of any housewives, and she's the only one still standing. But she's literally the only o G that still has been on the show until reason. Wow, she's the only one, like she's from the original cast. Okay, did Megan ever get pregnant? By the way, do you know Megan got pregnant there? Divorced? Also, Dick, what a jerk? Okay, so let's start with, um, what your thought was about Shannon's husband there at the costume store? For me, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, when the kids asked that question, You're asked, but the wet dream about? What dream? Have you ever had a wet dream? To your dad? I just think that that's a question to avoid. I just think that's inappropriate. And I also don't they discussed wet dreams amongst the boys and the girls in school. That seemed odd to me. You know, it's it's funny you mentioned that because I did stand out to me, and I was like, Okay, I don't want to criticize the way anybody runs their household. I don't want to criticize the way anybody parents are kids. You know. I was immediately thinking that because it kind of did make me a little like, is this an appropriate conversation for a pre pubetcent daughter with my dad? So it felt weird that we're in a costume store and it's an entire family discussion, three girls, a mother, and the father about wet dreams. It just feels bizarre. That's why I wondered if, like the producers didn't stoke that. I was like, yes, that's so to answer your question, how it goes, you know, it's basically that there's the notes before you go into a scene. You don't, you know, not a mummy and a robot. You're not gonna like do everything that they said that they wanted, you know, talk to Jillian about, uh, you know what happened last night that was a little inappropriate with somebody brought up at Italian right, And they'll needle you about it, But that's moving traffic. It's not saying that like whatever happened last night, they made happen. It just means they, you know, start when you begin, when you begin a season, it's two people get together and have a conversation or go to dinner or something. Something will be a nuance and then that's a nugget for like another scene, and then it's like a family tree, these branches just come out. So that seems like I don't know why that would come up at a costume shore, but I was uncomfortable a little bit. Yeah, I was immediately was uncomfortable and immediately thought about you and I having this conversation and how to try to address it because like I again, I don't want to criticize the way people parent their kids, and like I said, I am not a pro. But it did feel odd. And what's what's crazy about when you see people um promoting a certain life on reality television and social media. I thought that they seemed like in that scene, like a decently happy family like that's what said. They're divorced and it was disaster and they're both of other people. But they seem like a fairly happy family and a nice family, don't they a nice family and a happy family. Not the same thing Um from from that episode, not the episode that's scene now we're in the costumes, just that scene. I mean, they seem like they functioned together, but like they functioned, but they're playing, but they're also on television and they're trying to be the happy family. Okay, fine, I've been there. I've been there. We functioned and we were just about to break up after eight years, So got it? Okay, Yeah, And a lot of people go on reality TV to attempt to save a relationship, believe it or not. It's interesting. It's happened with a lot of different people. And it happens that you see a lot of housewives come on right before it's going to end, like Kelsey Grammer and Camille and a girl Jules and her husband Michael on New York. It happens a lot. Okay, So mother Heather, I know Heather because years ago Heather Um married to Terry the plastic surgeon. I know her years ago. I was married to a Manny Peter, and his brother Danny dated her. She was a young actress in l A and she was very nice and now she's married to a very wealthy plastic surgeon in Orange County. And interesting how they really went there just discussing on camera. He has another show on an E called bot, so he's willing to show ye. So he's willing to play ball. And you can see that because not every partner's gonna who's not getting paid is going to be on TV like talking about their innermost insecurities, but themselves as a father and not being with the kids. So it was interesting that she's he said that he couldn't be there on Mother's Day and they were really airing their relationship. And you know that he's putting more time into his work and saying yes all the time than the kids. And I wanted what you think of that? What you thought of that? I think that he Okay, my impression of them in that moment is that he was like over her and uh, I just that's not a man that cherishes his wife like I've been busy, You've been busy. Um. But I'll tell you right now that if it was my wife's birthday. There's nothing I would book on that day, which doesn't I be like, it's my wife's birthday. Um, And a guy that's like, oh my gosh, I felt like you wanted to be like shut up. He's like, I just got home, like back the funk off. Let's I kind of picked up this, And he's just like, I know I can't. It's not my hat. Yeah, okay, like leave me alone. And to me, he's not prioritizing her. She bitches about it in Magazam and that just makes him probably feel more like he wants to escape the dynamic. But I could be you know, it could be reading into it. No, yeah, I mean you're just saying. And also, how like, let's just talk about the topic of being in a relationship, a committed relationship, and let's for arguments, say pretend it's working and then going on reality television together like that is such a risk. People really want to be famous and want to be wealthy or or wealthy so badly that they'll take that risk. I really haven't had. I had one show that I produced where I was on there with my fiance then husband, but it was ours. It was my show Housewives. You literally have zero control. And I have not been really, I haven't been with anyone who would ever even want to do that. Like my fiance now would never, would not, wouldn't be on for one second, Like, wouldn't blink an eyelash on it. He just he's like, there's he would say, there's no upside for me that no one has anything that I want. He would not. So this is a successful doctor and his wife when he walks in, is saying, like, let's talk about basically our relationship, and she rightfully is saying, it's not just about Mother's Day of the mother, It's about the whole family, like the example, which I think was interesting because I hadn't really I wouldn't have thought of it that way. I definitely thought of it that way. And I think he's he's doing him and the show has elevated obviously, right, he's doing a lot for his career. As you mentioned, um, you know the women do it because the Monster brands have been off of it. But it seems as though the relationship is already at that like brutal phase. I know that phase, man, that's a brutal phase. Brutal phase, and many people stay together for whatever reason. I don't know how they deal with though, Like when when I got there with my ex and we had, you know, very briefly a show that we controlled on E and nobody humiliated anybody, um, and everything seemed great right up until a year later, I was like, I have to find a way out of this relationship. Um. With that said, though, on Housewives, I can't even imagine had we put ourselves in that kind of position where it would have gone. And I would never want my kids to see that, you know, I don't want them to see the ugly parts of our relationship. Ever, the you know, that's that's a different element. Well. Also, that's great because back to the costume store, as a parent, you have to be the rest sponsible one to play chess and know that your kids are gonna be in school and in school, the other kids might say you were talking about wet dreams. Uh, Like that's embarrassing. You know, You've got to protect your kids, like and that is actually embarrassing now that I think of it. Um, you know. So So anyway, so now we get onto Vicky, whose daughter came home she had a medical issue and Vicky's It's funny because I'm thinking about some of these people who are these wacky, crazy characters, and yet I think they're good parents. So Vicky's at the house and she's like doting on her daughter. She's happy her daughter's home. It's part of the reason she's ready to go out and party. Her daughter's home from being sick. And and she's like, she's a very overbearing mother. But I get it, like my daughter loves it. But I I she loves being a mother and loves being a grandmother, and um, I like seeing her in that role, Like I like seeing her as a grandmother. Yeah, she did. She she was very natural with that. You're You're absolutely right. It's odd that the relationship that Kelly had with her kid was also kind of cute. I ad my advice to Kelly, although you've said this is you know, comment gone, which I didn't realize while I was watching it. It's like, girl, nobody needs to be hammering Tequala shops with cameras or we're getting that oh yeah, no, no, no. It's funny because I get the sense that she's a mess in many ways because she'll just say what we're what she's really thinking. But she seems like when she's with her daughter, she seems like she's a decent mother. When she's with her daughter, she says that she's strict, which I believe actually strict and has like some sort of a code, but indulgent, and I she's an only child. The husband seems like she's someone who doesn't seem to be should be on for her daughter's sake, should be on reality television because of the way that she, you know, is free to act and thinks that they're separate issues. But with her daughter, I thought, I'm going to Justin Bieber and all that. I thought she seems like a pretty good parent. I like the way she is with her daughter so far. I thought that was cute, and the kid was like giving her ship and she's like, you can't be a Justin Beaver fan, and she's like, why you were twenty when he was born, And I reminded me of like my kids giving me sass. And I thought that was cute, and the kid was precocious, and I like that and I felt kind of in that moment like I identified with that dynamic. But then when she got knockered, I wanted to just I was like no, or I know, no for her life, but yes for the show, which is the problem. All right, so let's let's let's get going. So now Vicky, you know, as a grandmother, and she's over at Kelly's house with Kelly's ex but they're back together then and they're divorced now, and um, he doesn't seem like he has a lot of power in that relationship, or like he doesn't. He's like, he seems like he's I don't know what he is. He seems like he's an extra in in the scene of their life. But they're all pounding to Kiel shots, which I just find so interesting because I feel that women that are middle aged and older party harder than the young kids like that are out doing Molly, Like I really did ask you how Because I can't drink at all anymore. I would be sick. I mean, it's it's done. The show's over hard alcohol absolutely Now I can drink wine heart zero glasses too, and I'm like, that's it. One more than that, I away stick as a dog. I can't. You're dehydrated, you're depleted, you have a headache, and they can much less. Shuts like not just diluted with club soda like shots. I was dying when she did that. And then the cute one and the I don't know if she's she's lovely or not. But then one who had the fitness competition that was like, I'm not drinking. I have a competition, which I totally identified with when you like, I gotta be ready for something, I'm not drinking. I hope of a sudden she's like, who's where's the vodka? Well, she Tamarra is a party or like Vicky usually, she had found religion in a deeper way and found found fitness a deeper way. And this seems like that time of her life where she's found her and Eddie she's found her faith more deeply and her fitness. I think like she's made a change. I think they own a gym. I don't know what they invested in a gym. Um okay, So they're doing shots like full blown and I didn't count, but the ones that we saw on camera, I think we saw them do like five shots on camera total. So what the hell really had? Like how insane? And you're on TV doing getting wasted like you're not gonna remember anything and you're on television, like that doesn't seem like a great idea. It's an idea. Everybody knows that alcohol literally shuts down the part of your brain that manages impulsivity. Right, you're completely science. Yeah, it's that's it. The bois goes in there and shuts down you. Good decisions, yeah, zero, there's no filter. You're all on. And to go that hard as they were doing it, I was like, how is she doing that? Because she's she's like a little barely older than me, beause she said she was born in seventy three four or five something or my age, like right around my age. And I was like, how the hell is she doing that? Man, she's going so hard? And then shure up, there was like a complete meltdown. And the guy she was with, I thought he could barely speak because he was so wasted. You're saying he's kind of persona on gratta, but I thought he was schnocker. I don't know what he was. But the first the first couple of drinks, you know, makes it that you can't make any good decisions, So the other bad decisions are to drink more, and then then you're off to the racism so before we before we get to there, just let's address one more person and then we're gonna get to the party. The girl, Megan is with the baseball player and she's doing the IVF shots. It felt a little force, like forcing the story, like she needed to have a story. Her story is the shots, and like putting him. I know that he seemed like a dick, but she's putting him on the spot in the car, and it feels a little like she's acting like wanting him to say that it's so amazing, and yes, I know he probably doesn't have emotions because he's a baseball player, which is probably also a stereotype and ridiculous, but it's just weird to be like, can you now emote in the car on television about my IVF. I just feel like there are a lot of forced discussions in this episode about relationships, and I haven't It seemed like the relationship episode, they're forcing the discussion of the puberty, the puberty talk, they're forcing Heather with the husband who's not at home, and now they're forcing this like IVF, you don't care marriage relationship discussion. I just feel like he didn't need to mock her like, I don't think it's crazy. Oh, punch him in the face when he easy. You do not disrespect your wife on camera like this misogynoptics. It is not a good look, like not cool at all. And I get it. You don't want to have have a conversation, don't be on the show. That's the show, right, you know what you signed up for. Don't take it out on her, because you're right. I'm sure they told her like talk to him about this, talk to him about that, like you said, and she's going into it and you kind of maybe she was genuinely sort of like can you believe like the next time I see you, I'm going to keep carry our child in me, Like that's kind of wild. Yeah, you're right, right, great, the all I wanted to kill him, I was like, do not mock your wife. But looking back, this happened. The only person that isn't divorced on that show is the Heather, the one with the mother's day conversation. Tama, the one who's studying for the fitness competition is still with that man, but she's divorced. The only one on that show that's that's not divorces Heather, the one having the Mother's Day conversation and um, this woman megan public divorce to also, uh you know, I saw this with Kelsey Grammar and Camille when they went to the Tony's together right before splitting up. It's like the husband somehow is being forced to do this and you can see and they can't help but like make a little snide remark to their wife on camera, and the audience just knows this is going down hall fast. This is the beginning of the end. You cannot disrespect your significant other like public, let alone on camera. I hate when people do that to each other. And they're also playing to do you even notice at dinners with other people with another couple, they're also playing to the audience, Like they're playing to you by disrespecting their person. It's almost like he's playing to the audience and he thinks we're gonna side with him making fun of her, you know what I mean. You see a couple like where one of them is a little like looks and I was like, oh, well, she doesn't like to do blah blah blah, and you're like, go take care of your own relationship, don't like bring your show. Gosh. I totally agree with you. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, you know what I mean. I did not like it. It immediately made me dislike, like, yeah, I don't care what you know sport or who I we're You're not a motive. I don't care if your mother didn't love you the right way, whatever it is. Do not disrespect your wife by mocking her in front of you know, however many millions of people. So all right, so now we're in the party. Let's just get into the costumes first. Because I I was, I lived at the roller rink, I was on I was roller girl years before that on this on the Housewives at Halloween. I just want to know, was everybody dressed like the seventies or was some of some of the sixties which they brought up in that store. Kelly and Tamer went to the store. Kelly kept saying, I think that's the sixties, and She's like, no, it's She's like, I think that's the sixties, like Austin Powers, mod Isn't that the sixties? Not seventies? They go to be honest, you you you looking way deeper into that than I did. I was too busy, you know, being kind of taken aback by all the things you just mentioned. So I've I did not go there, but I will revisit it. I think you might be right. I don't. I don't remember some of that Austin Powers by being in the seventies genre if you think about it, So like Vicky looked like Austin Powers is the sixties, That's what I thought. So it felt like it felt like a lot of people that were like mixed up in what error they were. And I mean, I know their sixties blended into the seventies, but it felt like I'm being too literal. But anyway, the seventies is my time. Like I I think that Kelly did actually have the seventies down and that big giant afro. It was like whatever. I know, they're having fun, but it just was it was. It didn't feel and and what's her name? Did look like Mrs Roper? That was that was. So they do shots. They walk into this party. Now, first of all, they get into this party, they're wasted. And then the girl, the blonde girl who's the friend of Shannon. There was a pre existing argument going on between Shannon the birthday girl and Kelly, the one whose daughter was at the Manicurist. Okay, so there's actually existing argument going on. They're walking into this party with a conflict as usual, so they're trying to be So that's why Shannon saying and one of the interviews, I'm gonna be nice to her. I just don't need to be best friends with her. Whatever she said, I'm paraphrasing. They're gonna make it nice for this scene. But it feels like a setup that those two girls, the blonde girl and the other girl, the ones with the like deep cut seventies sequin jumpsuits. It did seem like a setup. When she was like, oh, yeah, I know you. I met you. You weren't with him, you with another guy, like I would kill someone. Well, I mean that that was I felt like a setup, no question right. Shannon brought her to bring that up. He was absolutely fucking with her. Um, but who's the naughtia girl? Though the accents the two of them came together, feels like Shannon's because I was like, who is that lady? Because she hasn't been in any of the other side and she was the shipster for sure. Well, what happens is a lot of people want to be on these shows, and so this has happened to me before too. So people who aren't actually on the show, but live in your community or that neighborhood and they know of the people on the show. They're the ones who usually wanted out people who are actually on the show because they see the way that they're portraying their lives to the public. But they live in that town and they're like, no, I know she's sucking around in her husband. So they tell somebody who's on the cast. Which is why it seems like Shannon brought them in because it's like shanimis met these women in their community. That's what I'm I mean, I don't know this, that's what goes down, Like these two women are in the community. Someone told the producers, because all that happens is cast and producers just gossip all the time. But everything going on and then it comes into the show. So these two women were invited. They probably want to ship Stir a little because they live there in Orange County and they're not on the show, and maybe this is an entry into it, or maybe just light a little match and be the good called the sack chatter. But those women were undeniably planted there to say that thing to Kelly, because that's a guaranteed argument in a big scene. She it was like, you know, match Kerosene boom and and she was logged and loaded already drunk, and you could tell the minute and then the girls like, she's talking about you. Tamer said that, Yeah, but Kelly's also Kelly's the quitter of take debait. Kelly's the queen of take debait because you just said nothing and it won't air like you could just be chill like, oh, yeah I met you, Yeah I wasn't or whatever. No, but she got lit because she was wasted and you're right now, Tamarra who before. It's funny because in that in that episode, Tamara talks about how how she and Heather roller Girl didn't. I think it was those two didn't speak for a while because she told something she like tamar basically, I think it's like a tattle tale. So it's it's her history. I think it's her history to have told repeated something. And she said, and she said in this episode, I repeated something I shouldn't have. And now she goes and repeat something she shouldn't She walks to the utter scene to tell Kelly and Vicky that the girls sitting on the couch are talking about her. Oh god yeah, Like I just I was like watching it is like watching a car crash on Bold in those moments, because you you know this one's going in there to stir it up. And Kelly I just took that. It was crazy, like hooked instantly and I just I was dying. And my wife it was so funny because she's as it was Bold and she was like on her computer planning, you know, our trip for the summertime. She's like in and out of it. But the time the show when the one girl called the other girl dom, she's still talking about it now like this morning. It's like, yeah, she's invested. Yeah, it's like a soap oper. Can you get invested? You don't even know any of these people, and that she's invested. So Kelly's like, I'm just looking for my purse and and the girl's like, I think it's I love that Kelly is so crazy. You need a crazy person like that. Because Kelly's like, I'm looking at my person. The girl goes, what does it look like? And she goes, it doesn't matter what it looks like like it doesn't it. It does matter. It does matter. When it looks like we're it feels relevant. What does it look like? So the girls she was ready to go. She's like, it doesn't matter, just look about my part. And then we find out that that girl did in fact move her purse, which is like that girl gave zero fox by the way, which that's I was like, who is this savage? Shove it. But it's a lesson in life to not you can make yourself wrong because Kelly, you know, she says Mrs Roper repeatedly, which is a little nasty but fine, and it's the birthday girl. But what she does do is take it to the mattresses when she says to that girl, you look like every other girl in Orange County. Oh god, yeah, the blonde and the big tints or something, and your husband cheated. And but I remember her dumb magice, someone said to you, you look like every girl in Orange County, Like there's something create And Kelly has done this for years. Was she just will she say anything? Like she doesn't care? And and it's funny because Ramona on my season not that crazy by any stretch of the imagination and they're actually friends. But she would say something to somebody and then like getting so much trouble and but she could still have fun the rest of the night and woke up the next day and probably justified it. If I woke up the next day and knew that I had said that or something or or one tenth of what she said, I would I would be obsessing. I'd be like, I have to leave the show after that night. I have to leave the show, like to change your name, yeah, change your yeah. Yeah. It's a complete It's like she'sa you vanished somewhere in the middle of nowhere, a girl or nobody can find you and just what they do, Like I would just be like, no, I and her husband didn't even get involved. Like imagine the husband that just lets the wife go crazy like that doesn't like it would never happen. But Paul would have me by a shock caller, Like he would be like, get the funk. I mean we would never be there. It's like saying, but it's just some reason, if some reason, someone you know I I if someone said something untoward to me and I laid them out, but I kept when he you know, my impression of you and correct me if I'm wrong is let you take no ship. But I imagine the way you would lay them out is eloquence. You know when I when I defend myself, I do it very calmly, very strategically, and I shut it down. So sometimes I don't always fight fire with fire. Sometimes I fight fire with water, and that makes the other person feel silly, and I can make my point and handle it him like, you don't need to speak to me this way. That behavior is uncalled for. So now it's like you're taking the high ground, right. You let them know that their behavior is bad and is looked upon badly by not just you but everybody else, and then you can make your case and then be done with it. But why why are they engaging like this? This is not because because there is. It's probably towards the end of the season. They're exhausted. Just add cameras, just add alcohol, Just add people you are not normally friends within your life, and a layering of twenty different dramas before this, and it pops off and it busts open like a pinata. Okay, so who is right and who is wrong? If anybody's even wrong, right? Who is right? Nobody's right. They're all a mess here with this incident. Like they seem lovely and I'm I'm certainly no better than anybody else on that show, but I think all of it could have been handled better slash differently. So Shannon is at fault for bringing these two like ship stirs and Kelly takes debate and lights the place on fire. Yeah, it's absolutely in my opinion, it's absolutely a two industry. Is Tamra wrong one? Yeah, because she knew what she was doing. Like, the real friend is the friend that's like, Okay, this is going to be a mess and gets you and leaves and we all have that front that's like, now, dude, we're done here. Let's no, nope, we're done here. Cars here, cars outside, get in the car, we're leaving now. You know that's that's the real front, not the one that's like and said you're ugly and blah blah blah yah. Right, but that's not That's why reality TV is fucked up in this genre, in this particular uh medium, because it's designed that's a more successful. So someone's and someone'sho are covering alcoholic they they blow that off and they break and they get wasted and they act like this that's a better episode than them just staying the course, which is why it's an upside down and it's a little sucked up as a concept as a construct. I don't disagree with you, which is why I generally don't partake in it, right because of that, um you got to think about it. That's why I've never actually watched it because I I sometimes wonder if there is the vulnerable person, right that isn't you or that isn't me, and that doesn't have the ability to make the platform work for us the best way we can. Like listen, I had a lot of issues with losers on the show, off the show, fighting with the producers, all of the things. But I never let them destroy me, and they sure tried. Right, you never let them destroy you. I'm sure they tried. You became bigger than that show. I became bigger than the biggest loser we managed to, you know, still build a career and hate the player, hate the game you played the game. You play the game exactly. So if if you know the game is taking advantage of people they're not capable of swimming in those shark infested waters. Then I kind of do wonder if it's it's bad for me to watch it, then I'm like, am I exploiting that person? And that's why I kind of never right taking a step further. Many of these women and many of these shows used to be quote unquote somebody that they themselves felt were more relevant. Married to someone wealthy, married to mom with a name, had something going on. Their kids are grown up something different that they felt that they had an identity, and now they are middle aged to senior and they're getting an opportunity to be to make a little money, be a little relevant, and and touch a little fame. And a lot of them don't have any other means to a source of income. Imagine becoming famous at fifty years old and becoming known and become it and can start uh some candle business or whatever you want to do, uh, and people will actually buy it. You get a little bit of relevance. I'm saying, it's making a deal with the devil. You there's something they're getting back to, or they wouldn't do it. That's what's fascinating about the whole machine. You're right. Sometimes, Um, you know I did a podcast for I believe somebody on New Jersey. It's just the woman has like two points something billion followers on Instagram. I'm like, I have dedicated my life to being an expert at this right, and who is very sweets, just so sweet. But she tells somebody to buy college in right, She's selling crazy amounts of college. I'm like, hold on a minute here, a right, That's what I'm saying. So, you know, there's that, and then you know, Bravo gets to put that charity on with Megan, the charity for colon cancer, to like, you know, absolve a little bit of the guilt. There's always like a little bit of a charity somewhere to like, you know, absolve some of the guilt. Rinse it a little bit. So anyway, it's a conversation. I was part of it. I played the game. You know, no different thing. Kim Kardashian played the Fame Game. She was Paris Hilton's closet organizer and you know, plus one and she played the Fame Game and she won, so she had to pay. You know, it is what it is. So you can't hit the player. You gotta hate the game. So um so these women have had a little moment in the light. And believe me, there's nothing more desper than a fired housewife. Most of these women are there by choice, all of them. I know of two housewives one. I know of two housewives that have left on their own besides myself that just really left. They all say they've been they all say they've left, but they've all been fired except for two that I can remember. So everybody gets fired and begs to be back, wants to be in any iteration whatsoever. They want the light, they want the relevance. They're willing to go have those fights and be exploited and be all over in the media because they want the hit. Yeah, I'm very I'm in a very rare small group. And Andy will verify that. So now let's get to Vicky. So there's a preamble, which is that Vicky is in a relationship with this guy Brooks. He faked cancer. The audience was on this cancer journey with them, thought it was real. People suspected it. He faked cancer and it's a big thing. And that other guy, David is basically like, you guys are disgusting because that's the lowest of the low thing that was happening there, because right, so, but and is there you know, is there is it a double standard about a man speaking to a woman like that? I am old fashioned in that way. Here's what's interesting is that it did bother me the way he got in her face. But if there was a woman getting in a man's face, it wouldn't have bothered you as much. The man and the woman was it did exist beyond I felt. Here's what bothered me is that his body language was aggressive. If he stood back and was like, no, that's low, that's dirty, that's low. That's dirty. To me, I'm like, all right, she, you know you're absolutely allowed. When he got up in her face, it felt like physical intimidation. And that's when I was pretty uncomfortable about it. I was like, that's not appropriate. Well what if we take it to the next level. So, no matter what that you're saying, there's no excuse. She could have faked cancer. But he it's a physical violation that I didn't like. I get that he's like, that's the lowest of the low, that's the lowest of the low. But he got in her face. There's a physical in her face, and you know, when people get there, you know, we're second from a physical alter exactly needed a million times. It was personal space, like a body language violation, and he was like, I'm gonna intimidate you by being taller. I'm gonna intimidate you by being a man, Like I'm going to use my physicality to get up in your grill. She's the housewife. He's not the main he's not a main character. He's married to a person who was cast on a show. So is he supposed to be inserting himself, Like there are some people like Joe Gorga in New Jersey he gets in the conflict himself with the women. So like there's a lesbian couple in the Miami Show and it's Martina average Alova and the wife is the main housewife. So if Martina got into someone else's face, would be like, you're not even the housewild like, so there's two elements. It's one that he's like being overbearing and it's a physical body language violation. But to like, we're women on a show together in conflict, Like there's a line when the husband is coming in like on the front lines of the conflict. That's what I see. Also do you get that. I do understand that now. I didn't realize that he wasn't like a main character because he had enough camera time in that episode to kind of make me feel like. The husbands are part of it too. They are part of it, and in some shows more than others. In New York, they're literally background for the most part, and it varies with persons. Sometimes a person's husband is so charismatic that that person and the housewife make a whole character, like you need. Both Alex and Simon were in New York, and he was a character. Without him, I don't know if she would have made it into the show. Melissa Gorga in Jersey is a character in her own right, but her husband is a larger than life character. So he adds to the sauce. He's been in his own scenes. He's carried an entire episode, which is why I put him on my Mount Rushmore. But in this case, in this case, this guy is on the front lines in the conflict with a housewife and it seemed aggressive. And I don't know if his wife even knew that that was going down, but there is something I'm sure she's meddled in his because remember she came in and she that's David, right, that's the guy with David. Yeah, okay, she's like, David, they're not being nice to me, David, they're being mean to me. So she recruited him to get involved the other issue that she was dealing with exactly. You know, I I would never fault them for getting involved or having an opinion. But when he got up in her face, I thought that was really appropriate, made me uncomfortable, and that's where I got I gotta draw the line there. I do get what you're saying. That was I'm not familiar enough with the you know, workings of the show to know where their place is and if he was outside of it. But when he got physically in her grill, if any man did that to me, I would, oh man, I handle that well. And then want to handle that well. And back to the Nadia and the blonde Newport girl. Uh, do you feel that that's breaking girl code that she like said to the breaks girl code? No, but specifically, like I see you and you're out with somebody and it's not your person, I'm going to bring that up in like it ain't my business, Like you know, do you bring it you know what I mean, like that that in front of the guy, like that shots fired. Yeah, I mean the whole thing does kind of break the girl code. And that's on the scale of breaking the girl code. I don't remember again, which is the more aggressive def con here, But that's unfair. Um. She so, Now, first of all, did Heather's husband push her? When you saw the reenactment of the film, he did not push her at all. She he was dancing and he had his back to her and she put her hands out, maybe to stop him from bumping into her. Yes, and that knocked her over. But that couple, I was like, these guys are done. I can't believe you told me they're still together. I know. She's like, you pushed me, And I was like, whoa, that's like you must feel on some level like he's you're metaphorically pushing you because he didn't tell oh not. Well, then they had that deep conversation and do you think I wonder I'd like to find out. I'm gonna find out before this airs. I'd like to find out if he changed. What do you think in this moment of this conversation, um of him saying he's going to change, and her saying like you have to say no, and like trying to give him advice that it's not for them, it's for him. If he did change, then it's because the producers made him change, because in real life they don't change. You don't think, oh interesting, okay, in real life that they don't change. So David says, this is the things you think. It's just a physical violation. David says, shut your fucking mouth. You're lying. Shut your fucking mouth, Like that's insane. But they're all saying insane stuff. They're all saying stuff that I find insane. So you know, if we're getting into like men and women, I listen. I try to look at it as like where are we actually equal? Right, Intellectually we're equal, you know, financially we could beat all these different ways we could be equal. Um, but you women have children, man, don't that there's there's an inequality there that women can create life? Okay, Like men are physically bigger. They just are. They have more muscle, more bone, they're taller, they are physically stronger. They have evolved to be physically stronger. So if my business partner says the F word to me or my brother and I get nified and he's I shut your fucking mouth. Look, it would kiss me off, don't get me wrong, and I would be upset. But if anybody disrespected me, I would be equally upset, girl or boy. I would not if a woman said shut your fucking mouth to me, And if my wife said that to me, she would never. Of course, something's gonna be my wife. If I said that to her, I wouldn't be her wife. Like if anybody says, shut your fucking mouth, man or woman, I'm done. So we're we're you know, I'm equal, I'm equal. I'm equal if a woman, if I lived with the worst, and you know, when I was much younger, if I got in a fight with somebody and I twenties at a bar drunk and someone got on my face and it was a girl, I don't think I would. I'd be like a bitch, get out of my face. Like that's probably how I would if a man did it. Oh my god. Vicky saying to David, oh, you cheat on your wife. But then I think she says, like, no, wonder, you cheated on your wife either, meaning you're a scumbag to her, like she's giving a preamble. She's saying, like, she's going out to your wife this way, you speak to your wife this way, which probably he does. We want to find out later. We probably find out he did. Um, And what do you think about, like why don't you have another drink? Why don't you have another drink? Like drink shaming like that say in too Kelly, Like she seems provoked by that. She keeps saying Mrs Roper over and over. But the line and they keep saying the same thing is if it's gonna have a a different effect, Mrs Roper a cake so properly, that's why right have another drink? Have another's taunting, it's just calling her an alcoholic exactly exactly. You know, she's basically saying, you're a drunk, you're an alcoholic, like go go get ship based nothing you say matters. And it's like that's the part where you're just kind of like, you know, he breaks your heart because I wondered if maybe I don't know enough about her. I was like, maybe she just got crazy and it was one night, or like is she an alcoholic? Does she have a problem with this? And then in her interview she goes I had a lot to drink, and I was like, yeah, girl, like more than homie. Ye the fuck I wouldn't survive this night. And I'm telling him pretty strong. I was like, I don't know, somebody called somebody a had a file or not. Hear that the word pedophiles in my notes, But somebody calls somebody a pedophile, either Brooks or David or somebody called somebody. Yes, she was saying that he cheated and he was a pedophile, so I thought a young woman that he had an affair with a much younger woman. Oh, pedophile is a fucking serious word. To the two ones who are drinking tequila, just add tequila is what the episode should have been called. Just add to kill you because the two of them calling people fucking pedophiles and shut your funk. I mean, it's crazy. That was I don't know. I keep watching these and being like, is this real? I watched, I was on it, but I was on it can't be real, baby, this can't be real. It was crazy. Sh it happens and people are stressed out in their lives. Yeah wow um. And then at the end, what would possess two people to wear a costume with big bushes and penises, Like what is that? I mean people have bigger penises in the seventies. I don't understand. I thought it was a little boogie nights, Like what the I mean she mentioned what's so funny? She mentioned streakers, and you know what, I had completely written all about Right, you're right, but that was seven you could, yeah, remember when someone ran across. I mean, you and I were children like you on that decade. But I call bullshit on you, Like, I don't even think you were you know, were you sucking your I was born in seventy. I was okay, you kind of you know, maybe, but I do remember, um, like someone streaking the Academy Awards or something. Didn't they or something? Oh, I don't know, but oh, because in the movie Old School with Will Ferrell, that was he was streaking. I didn't know it was like a seventies thing, but what the hell? That was awkward to me. That'd be embarrassing. It was embarrassing. And by the way, it did look like a little bit of a weird party. Like I will say, it looked like a sparse stra I didn't understand me what I thought it was all staged that's why I kind of I'm like, okay, they're like, we gotta have a party, where are we gonna do it? That's true, that happens. That's exactly what does happen now, that is what it is. Because the lights are really bright and you can't play the music you want because it won't clear, So it is awkward. It's like sometimes they're fun, but anybody who's there has to look at like pockets of people with lights and cameramen like around me. We're not gonna walk and be like hey Jane, because the cameraman are going to disperse. So if you walk into a conversation with a friend that invited you, there's a cat like you're not gonna walk into that. So people, it's very awkward. Housewives parties are very very awkward. They're very bright, you cannot play normal music, and there are groups of people surrounded by lights and cameras in these little huddles, so that you have to be in these other and that's where all the action is, and that's where the people that are at the party don't even know what's actually happening at the party because they're not in that huddle. That's not kind of thought. I thought produced made it awkward. Yes, wow, alright, So who won the night? Who lost the night? If you had to say, and who do you you have to identify with one person and I know who that is? I think okay, I don't know. Okay, who won the night? I think the little the fitness lady. She she started the ship. Now put her aside. Put her aside. Okay, Megan, I think was the most just clean clean here, came out clean. But but a housewife that just sits in the middle and isn't that exciting and interesting doesn't make it because they don't drive any story. That's all I'm saying. I don't even know if she's still on the show. I don't think she is. But they don't make it. They don't drive story. She's not you know that. There's a woman who was on Jersey who I love, Jacqueline Lorita, but she wasn't like ship stirring her action. So she But you can have whoever you want to win that. I'm just telling you as a side. So she won the night for you because she was like kind and cute. She's very pretty too. I want to be superficial. I thought she was very pretty, that she was sweet. She wasn't she wasn't a car crash, you know, like he wasn't a car crash with the husband. But you didn't like her confronting him through the door. Not that I didn't like her confronting him through the door. I would have if she was my friend, I would have advised her to approach him about it differently, and I would say, Mommy, can't nag him, like, all you're gonna do is just keep pushing him more and more, you know, away for work, for this, for that hoolemicide privately and then you can talk about it, maybe an interview. I don't know, I know they don't allow that, but just be like, babe, listen, you're gone Mother's Day, right, and I get it, and I appreciate. I'd be like, build, break, build, you know how they appreciate that you provide for us. I appreciate that you participate. And that could have been an on camera conversation, just not right in the door. Yeah, okay, So that so that she would handle it differently instead of being like, really, Mother's Day, Like she kind of got it, bitch, Even though if someone did that to you, not a bit bitchy. She comes off bitchy, even though it's a little better than she played. You know, I have a chef, I don't cook. It's that whole like I make reservations. It's that persona of like rich housewife that she's playing. And frankly, he's playing the part of rich working house husband, like she's playing the role I'm home with the kids, I don't cook, I'm rich. We're in the big mansion. And he's playing the role of I go out and make the money to support this lifestyle of her Champagne and Chanelle lifestyle, like it's a persona. I'm sure it's actually true. But you can't don't hit. You know, you can't have it both ways. You can't have that life. He's supporting that lifestyle. Housewives is not supporting that lifestyle. So he could just say, listen, you want the Chanelle, you want the shampers, this is what I gotta do. He didn't say that. They could have said it. He could seem fed up, like you didn't even want to engage. That's why I was like that he doesn't want to deal with her. That was the impression I kind of god, that he doesn't want to deal with her, whether he's leaving on Mother's Day and finding an excuse to not be able to say no on Mother's Day, yeah, or he's not engaging significantly in that conversation. I felt like he didn't want to deal with her, And then I felt like a woman feels ignored. She she's not like the wrong way. Yes, that's going to turn anyone off, even though I understood her. Yes, it's a very a very typical thing. I get what you're saying, and it's very textbook. I get it. You know, Like I said, if she was my homie, I would have I would have guided that conversation very differently before it happened. But okay, right, all right, So she did not win. Then megan one that I who is the worst defender of the entire episode. I'm so I can't wait for this one. This sucks because I actually like, I feel for her, but I think Kelly just unraveled. Yeah, same her too, And I liked her with her daughter. She unraveled and was trying. Yeah, and she took the bait. And here's my thing is, if if she was my homie and you're like, girl, I don't know what's going on with the booze. But you gotta chill, like, you know, I've had friends that go hard like that and you're not twenty. It's not a good looks. It's sloppy and it's embarrassing. Put ship together, you know, you can have that conversation with your friends, like what happened? Like I had a friend that it came, you know, came over to my house and she was parties going through you know, break up. This that has a teenage son and like drunk drunk and then one time so drunk and so stone in front of my kids, in front of her kids, And I was like, Mama, right now, like I've known you a long time. I get that you're going through ship, but this is not a good look. Yeah. Well, also, I want to say to you that this is not representative of an excellent Housewives episode. And I'll tell you why there wasn't a ton because I was going to say to you, what was your favorite part? There wasn't a ton of humor in a good Real Housewives of Atlanta episode. There's a ship show, but there's a lot of humor like funny, witty, you know, banter and humor and New York, there's always some level of comedy, like comedy is the thread, and often not always in Jersey. This is more Jersey Ish. But this was just sort of like tragic. It was like a ship show mess. It wasn't really or funny. Yes, it was smart of funny. It didn't have all the elements. There are episodes that I've seen that have all the episodes of Good Housewives show. It's like a roller coaster. You're laughing, you're horrified. It's a lot of drama, it's intelligent. So this was not on a like rating score of drama. It was at a ten, but with a well rounded, intelligent, humorous episode, it was probably a five. I would say, gosh, yeah he did it funny at all? Yeah yeah, if I had to, If I hadn't pick a scene, it's the one with Kelly and her kids that I actually identified with, So thing, who did you identify with her? Right until the you know, when she unrattled because she's like, I'm strict and the kids like, oh, bullshit, you're not a beaver fa you know, gosh you are. Oh it's my aware of the highway. It certainly didn't look like that the kids like I'm getting jails or whatever, you know. I I thought that was so cute with the kid. Um and right, and I was like, God, this woman looks amazing. How good shook for her age, which I know you're not supposed to say for her age, but the reality is for her age, she looks great. And you know, there are certain expectations and you get that certain things are going to start happening to you, and I thought she's been saving that off. Well. I was like, a body looks great, her skin looks great, she looks great. I was impressed that she takes care of herself that way, right up until she would have been the one that I thought because I thought, Wow, she takes care of herself. She's got this funny relationship with her kid. And then when she just got schnuckered, I was like, that is not me. I do not get sloppy parties. And right, and also, um, she ends up getting let go and this show and so does Tamer the one who's in fitness, and they bring her back like now, I don't it hasn't aired yet, but the show starts to devolve, and I think there's a fine line between good drama and it gets to the love to hate phase, so I think they'll probably come out of that later. But seasons later this starts to devolve, and I'm sure the show you know goes through they all go through like a lull and then they have to repair and start over again. So anyway, this is a crazy way for me to meet you and trying to get to know you. But I do feel like I know you a little better based on your opinions, based on your opinion of parenting and friendship, and you know, the tween talks, and I hope I get to kind of know you, you know, in a different way, in a different absolutely mutual, and I've been a huge fan and admirer of all you've accomplished. Thanks so much, have a great day, you two. Thank you for having me. Of course, thanks for watching

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