“I’m off the clock” with Dave Portnoy

Published Jan 30, 2023, 5:00 AM

RHOBH - S1, E9 “The Dinner Party From Hell”

Dave Portnoy is the founder of Bartstool Sports and known for saying whatever the *F* he thinks…and that’s certainly the case on this episode! Dave gets real with what he thinks of the Housewives, who he thinks is a fraud and literally calls everyone out.

Plus, find out about a close call he once had with the RHOM and… could his girlfriend ever convince him to join the cast?!

Yeah, what's better than a drama filled Housewives dinner party? A drama filled dinner party with a medium one of the most iconic dinner parties in Beverly Hill's history. We're taking it back to an O G episode where Camille tries to make nice by throwing a dinner party at her house, but one of her guests has other plans. Founder of Barstool Sports and pizza lover and reviewer, the opinionated, polarizing, and often controversial Dave Portnoy joins me to serve this episode on a silver platter. This is Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season one, episode nine, The Dinner Party from Hell. I was taking a shower today thinking about whether your girlfriend, who is adorable and who I've met, was the one who told you to do this and or watched the episode with you. No, so she's not a huge Real Housewives fan. I like reality TV like that's I'm not a huge Like Housewives fan, but I like bad reality TV. And why I say bad good? However you look at it, so I thought I thought it was a cool idea. So no, she didn't have anything to do with it. Um, alright, So had you watched the Beverly Hills. Are you current? No? No, I'm not current. I mean I watched the episode. If that's what you're asking. Have you ever seen an episode? No, I've never seen. Most people had all right, this is good. So do you think that the show holds up? Because I watched an Atlanta episode, in old Atlanta episode, and then I watched another Old New York Housewives, and the New York one held up in a weird way. That Atlanta one seemed dated. So did the Jersey one. So I'm just curious if you think that it seemed very dated. I think that could have been on like tomorrow, and I wouldn't have known that it wasn't necessarily real. I don't know if I'm the most perceptive in that regard, but I wouldn't. I could have seen that being a live series, and I would have known the difference. You're asking the question. Maybe the chairs at the dinner table seem kind of like old, but now that you're asking it. But no, I didn't notice anything that made it feel like this was from twenty years ago or whenever it was. No, except I did think about the answering machine when she got that Lisa Vannah Pump's answering machine. I thought I would like an answering machine again, remember answering machines? That was interesting to me. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even pick up on that. I would have even thought this show was after answering machines. So who who did you like? And who did you not like? Like? Who did you connect with any of the characters? Are you anyone in this group? Uh? The only one that I thought, for the most part was normal, and I'd be like, Okay, this is somebody that I think is a normal human being. Is the one in the pink hold on? Who was in pink? Where was she sitting at the her husband got k neat in the face by the four year old? Oh that she's a maloof you've heard of the brothers from I've heard. I didn't realize she has a malouf, but of course I know they used to own the palms and the kind of kings. I didn't know she's aloof. She seemed like, uh, like, what are you doing there? Like it seems like she was crying through a skin And I actually watching the show, you know, it's sort of like, I don't know how real householves work and what you sign up for and what you have to do. But why would anybody walk into that dinner in the first place. It's obviously how much of it's contrived, Like they allude to the fact you're bringing that crazy like medium lady, who's obviously going to be the root of the problem. That was obvious before we even had her. But yeah, like why would you The Malouf lady is like, why are you there? Like I'm getting excited. This is gonna be good. Now you're exciting me because I love when someone hasn't seen it. And I was thinking, I keep thinking about what you were thinking, And I was thinking, the only thing I could say to Day that would be interesting is that that was a maloof because he's a Vegas sports so he would have So I knew that. You that she's a aloof, So whatever that means to you, she's a aloof. She's married to a plastic surgeon. They got divorced. He married a young hot peace and now um he has his own show. Uh it's very popular. It's about plastic surgery on e with another housewives husband and he's you know, making all kinds of cash and more. Famous and relevant, and she was was let go on the show, and she's living her own life. So that's the aloof And to answer your question about what's stage and what's not what you're signing up for, it's very topical because Kathy Hilton, who's a Hilton who lives in what is you know put and I know her, I used to be her nanny, but what is reported to be like a fifty million dollar house. She chose to walk into The Housewives currently, which is a big question that you've just asked, because me, I walked out once I already had what I needed and wanted in my life. I was not. I was there when I had eight thousand dollars in my bank account. So we all know why I was there and we all know why I left. So someone walking into the Poseidon Adventure ship when it's upside down, it's crazy to me and to you, but they do because nothing like fame and relevance. Yeah yeah, and I mean moves are well known. And as a side note, probably my closest interaction with like the Real Housewives franchise, So my house that I own in mont Talk, the Housewives of Miami rented next door like literally, so I can see and I can see what they were doing, and I can see that they were redoing scenes like they were Something would happen and they'd do it again, and they kept it looked extremely staged from what I saw across the street. This I don't know. I mean, they seem like they really hated each other. Well they I think they really hated each other. And as the show's gone on over the years, that was in the beginning of that franchise. Now the people are more produced, the clue are more produced, the bags, the hair, you're wearing, gowns to go, you know, have have have chips and dip at five o'clock when no one's there but the girls. And back in the day, it was more real in the sense that people you could see one of the girls were wearing gene shorts during the day like that would never happen. Now would be a Balenciaga gown with full nails and lashes. And that's kind of also why And I like that when it was old school real. So this was as real as this series could be back, all right, and what what degree, I don't know. I'm not a real housewife, but like that whole dinner party, Like, I mean, that doesn't seem like real life, does that? Like let's let's let's call up my friend of these and have dinner and then just try to choke each other. Like that doesn't seem like a lot of fun, right, Well, what it is is that the producers have like a white board of ongoing tentacles. It's like an almost family tree of drama. So they're saying, we have to get these together and when we see those two next time, they have to talk about this. And after this dinner party, break off two of them on this side and have them talk about it, then break the other two. Then in a couple of weeks will get another big trip or dinner party, so the whole thing can boil over. And what happens is when you're on it, it is real because you're really interacting with these people. So if you had to work at twelve different people that you can't stand or do like sometimes and it's a zero sum game. It's designed to be a zero sum game where someone's always winning and someone's always losing. It just sort of gets there because you're fucking protecting yourself. You know, everybody's there to kill you like survivor. So you're finding your own way through those interviews and to try to be the one who's not getting killed. So in that one, Adrian wouldn't last on the show that long if she was like that every week, because then it's like she's not part of it. You have to sort of then participate. The ones who are smart, dip in like like the whole thing on fire, then step out and don't kill the party, if that makes any sense. Yeah, what and what and like where they dig up the medium, like where she comes from, Like so just go find the craziest person we can find walking on the street in this dropper in the middle of it, or she specially friends with good questions. So what happens is like before this season starts, the producers want to talk to you the most, like really get a sense of what's going on. Oh, I'm going through menopause, I'm going back to cooking school, I'm getting my real estate license, i am sucking my best friend's husband, whatever it is. And then they sort of craft would they think it will go? It never goes where they think it will go because different stuff happens. But everybody pitches Oh my friend owns catch, my friend owns Buddhican. I want to do that. Oh, I think it'd be really fun if we do a cooking club. Because you have to have story, Dave, So you have to have you can't just be a person standing there. You have to have a story. So people make up fake businesses so it's a story. Otherwise you get fired. So it's it's it's a hunger games and staying on and having relevance. So a lot of it's that's why a lot of it is fake businesses that dissolved because you have to have ship going on. So she was probably like my friend's medium, and maybe you haven't we have her because the friend probably asked, and that's how we get there. So you got it, you know, Okay, And they read things in the news no, like you're gonna be have to talk about your divorce. You'll have to talk about this and then you don't want to. Uh, let's say you did the show but your girlfriend didn't want It would be a problem for you because they'd be up your ass. You know, when I came back after three seasons of leaving, I was a pretty valuable asset at that time, so they allowed me to come back and not talk about my daughter or my relationship or have them on which is doesn't exist. It's unprecedented. It has never happened since. But they just wanted me back. But that you've got to show it all, okay. So and because you're really into reality TV, the Kardashians is produced very produced by them, so they know exactly what's coming out of that oven. Even if it looks dramatic, they're okay with the level of dramatic. It looks here two people from the three people from the same family and the Jersey one. They have no control over what comes out. So that's how come families divide when doing this. So that's just some little inside baseball for you. Okay. So now Camille was married to Kelsey Grammer. Do you know you know who that is? Frasier Right, So she used to be um like an MTV dancer, you know how they would have those big dance parties. That's sort of a little earlier than your generation, but they have was like MTV dance parties in Ka Coon or be dancing on the Yeah, like Spring or Break. She was a dancer there and then she fell upstairs. So that's like why she got the big house and all that stuff. Okay, so that's her. Lisa vander Propperly, you know who she is. She's she has the vanderper Rules exactly. So she and Kyle, who want with the long hair, were best friends and an argument between them kind of drove Lisa off the show. So she's got vander Pump Rules and she's got another life. But I think she you know, she would come back in, but she might have lost her spot. And then Kim is Kyle's sister. She's the one who at the end got into the end. That's Kyle's sister. She was a child star. Um, I've known her for years and she left the show and she suffered with she suffered some addiction issues which came onto the show, and they've had issues as siblings through the show. So did you think One thing I wanted to ask you was when they were prodding the woman to give a read, they were prodding her, right, Well, yeah, I mean, but who wouldn't like you're sitting here with some person who says she's a medium and can like see that. I mean, I don't like that ship, but I think anybody around dinner table, even without cameras, to be like, yeah, so give us. I mean she want shut up about it. She's smoking like a cigarette. So yeah, they were asking for it. But I think that was a pretty natural thing to ask for, right, someone would it would come up, someone would ask you about a stock or sports at a dinner table, like I'm off the clock, right, totally, right, Yes, that was a wild answer to be like I'm off the clock, like she wants to talk about and didn't want to talk about it, and then she was just vicious with it. Well do you want to talk about sports and stocks off the clock? And you're never off the clock. But I just mean if we had a dinner parties, that annoying. No, that's not annoying. I know. I mean that's what I talked. I have no interest besides that, So what else am I going to talk about? Pizza? But yeah, yeah, all right. So so you feel like she's baiting them and she wants to talk about it, and this is like a set up in that regard, She's Okay, do you believe in this at all? Do you believe that they exist? You be they're talking to someone? If she got a show made about it, you think it's all a scam. I think for the most part of the scam, I don't believe any of that stuff. So what do you think? It's the Google of the horoscope? They don't get anything. Well, she even in the question, it's like, hey, do you have to have you gone through two marriages? Like she's like, well, I'm on my second as you changed the answer. So I just think a lot of that stuff. You ask questions that you know you can interpret a bunch of different ways, and it's no different. I mean there there's all sorts of things like not just with I guess mediums or or um like fortune tellers or or palm readers. You go back to like a nostre damas who like made all these predictions and people can connect them now to events that they can allude to. You can always kind of connect the dots. If you want to believe, right, you can figure out a way to believe. If you don't want to believe, which I tend not to um, you can find ways not to believe. Have you ever done it? Have you had to read? Okay, so do you believe? Like, don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to like they shouldn't have asked her if they don't, if you don't want to hear about your marriage in your life, No, I think there's a kind of a little bit of um. And again this is where the reality TV, Like, I don't think that happens in real life unless you're looking for fights. But if you've just met somebody, you know, hey, I'm a medium. A show is based on I can see stuff. Hey you see anything about me? Yeah, your husband fucking hates you and your kids are going to be sick you. I don't think that's like a normal human response even if you saw it, Like, who would ever say that? Nobody unless you're on a reality show. That is like they just met and she hit her with like an anvil. So that that, to me is just a reality TV of trying to create chaos like no one can expect. Oh you can read fortunes? Do you see anything for me? Yeah, you're gonna die tomorrow. Like that's that's like not a real thing, so you But it's funny because sometimes watching these things back, I remember when it was on it it was explosive and the woman seemed nuts. But I do think they prodded multiple times. They were making fun of her for not being on the cloth, like they really wanted it, and so they asked for it. They got it, Toyota. I mean, she fucking maybe if they originally were sitting in a setting where she they asked nicely, but they went, oh, you're off the clock. I have to I just watched it before he came out. I thought that. I thought there was a lead up, like there was already starting to be tension and I already. I mean, when Frasier's X what what's her name, Camille, She's like, oh, I'm bringing my friend mediums based on her, but she's not gonna do it because she doesn't do that. When she's like, it's like, okay, well obviously this is coming, because why are you talking about it, and frankly, you don't have to say your friend is medium? Like it's just felt like a big set up. Got it? Okay, it did? But um so I think she asked for it and then she did. She did get it. Um But that I gotta tell you, the girl had like seven drinks. It was fucking insane. They also said that that was the lead ups, like once she starts drinking like watch out we and they these I don't know those martini glasses looked like those were like from Duvall Street or Bourbon Street, like those places you go get the huge one. So obviously it was all heading to that. And I don't know where she got the East cigarette, but like, you're gonna get made fun of if you start smoking eat cigarette at the dinner table like that. So again all kind of played like I thought. She was definitely definitely the bad guy, the medium girl out of the group. Villain, Yes, the villain, But did you know what about the so so COMEDIALE said, you know who that is? Right? Do you remember her? I just remember I knew I recognized the name. I just I put it together during the show. I didn't know it till's wife said it. Oh but you remember now like you remember back, remember the girl on the O J Trial because she was best friend's Nicole Brown Simpson. Right, So that seemed very planned. You're you're waiting to say things, and I think a good housewife can land that without letting everyone know that they have something in your pocket. By the way, actors, I've spoken to actors that have things in their pockets and then there's when you actually get there, you don't use it. You know, so when you you're on television all the time, whether it's for just being interviewed, you can have stuff in your arsenal, but how are you going to use it? And A it doesn't always land and be other ship comes up and you get caught off guards. So the way she said it, she was just like, and believe me, I don't work on that. I wasn't on that show, so I don't have that's produced. It's a different production. It could be entirely different than what I worked on, based on the producers, because some producers really stage and some producers let you go free. And I would never tolerate state. And it shows. So she said something like she's like, oh, right, you posed for Playboy, so she knew that. She googled her at a time, right, Yeah, she she dropped that. Don't like you said, who knows how to produced? But it made no sense where it came from, like it was everyone's fine. And then she just dropped it. And like you said, I mean she dropped it knowing she was in Playboy herself, and seemed to be like differentiating the types of Playboy appearance is not that like I can care less either way, but like, who cares. If you're in it, you're in it. I don't know that. I think no, I think she doesn't think hers is the same because she was in a lingerie colle. She was in the actual magazine. I do think that that's why she she's the dumbest person of all time. Like, if you forgot that you were in Playboy, you're a certified more. And I'm going to give her the benefit of doubt that she did for nobody can be that stupid. But Playboy ad Jason, it's like a Playboy. It's like a Playboy like something that comes in the mail with the fruit basket. That's didn't say Playboy on the cover as a branded side. It wasn't Playboy in magazine. It was like a Playboy like additional addendum thing without being nude. She was in lingerie. That's that's semantics, like you're in Playboy, you're in Playboy. But then she split hairs and she says it's morally corrupt. She said, yeah, she called him morally corrupt. It's like, well that was before she said she was in Playboy. No, but she meant, morally, this is why I wanted to do this with you because of the J. She meant like she's capitalizing on becoming famous during the o J trial, imposing for play by. No one would have known who she is if it weren't for that trial. So the land of infamy landing you in Playboy, which is literally the baseline of housewives. And in fact, Camille Grammer was a dancer on the MTV show I just told him standing on the speakers of bikinis and now is in that big mansion with the medium and the show because she was married to Kelsey Hammers. So we all fell upstairs somehow, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean again that I that is kind of gross when you think about it, if like using that the fame from that case. But she's certainly not the only one, and she's definitely not the most well not. I mean, the Kardashians are like known because of that case, so you think that, but they're not most known. You think like it's all combination. It's that like Chris, I mean, the lawyer for o J. Right, yeah, that like that's started then, No, that's not most known. Kim did her sex tape and then somehow Chris launched that into like empire, which I've always said, like, you gotta give her credit because there's been a million sex tapes that haven't turned its empires. But without the sex tape, the empire doesn't exist, right, But you think it's a vortex because I think that there was a relevance. There's certain like people that have like l A relevance, like Beverly Hills relevance, the Hilton, Kathy Hilton used to be more l A relevance until she went on the show. There's a whole group and Chris Jenner was friends with Kathy and they also to go out with with Bruce and the couples years ago, and Kardashian was part of that group and o J. So that's like sort of l A relevant still making it into the paper sometimes. So you take that, you add a little salt and sugar, You add being friends of Paris and dating Nicola and putting that into the media, and then add the tape. Now here we are so but so that was Faye too. She was in that group and she was best friend in Nicole and I guess did capitalize on that and being in play Boy. Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess that's how she became more known being in that trial. So you think that, yeah, that's a line. I don't know if that's there's a line I would judge it. And again it's it's I feel like that was so long ago, but that's a pretty common occurrence, you know, like like now people capitalize on, whether it be tragedies, big events whatever. I mean, I still remember guys like and not that you're best friends, like Kato Kalin, Like exactly the fact I remember that name. That's everything that became not just you almost forget that someone was brutally murdered and it becomes like, Hollywood, that's so true. Exactly, that's so true. That's exactly. That was a great point, do you who? But based on the potentially moral corruption and the bullshit about the lingerie thing, who won that point? All right? So I I was on phase side because she didn't bring it up, like you know, and that was a long time ago. So um, Frasier's wife brought the like she threw the first punch. It's like, well, you're in Playboy too, so like shut up, Like to me, that's like, all right, you doesn't the circumstances. While you look back, it's like, well one was this one was that It's like, if you're gonna say it, you better not have been in play Boy yourself, right, totally, And these are the things I would say that. There's a line that I had in one of my openings, which was, if you're going to take a shot at this, be better not miss. With the Housewives, if you're going to take a shot, you fucking need to land it. Yeah, seem of miss Punchers Exactly. You need to land the shot because everything becomes something else. And then you open up Pandora's. But if you're going in you know how it is, you gotta kill the person. Yeah, otherwise it opens up a whole other fucking ball wap. What about Camille saying she thinks Kyle's jealous? Don't you have a beautiful girlfriend who's like, you know, got it all and got you and you guys have a great life, it seems, and it seems to me like it seems to have a chill, normal relationship. Um, what do you think of girls saying other girls are jealous? You think that she's do you think that that's normally the case so it's just something that idiots. I think jealousy is like a real thing, but I don't know what. I only watched that one show, and I heard Camille at one point be like, I have this closet full andre that I just danced around in front of the mirror and make my self feel good because I'm always alone. That does not seem like a life that anybody would be overly jealous of. So I don't know. I don't know what would be jealous of Commu that I thought she was the least person to be jealous of on the show. So no, I don't think she's jealous of her unless I'm missing something totally out of the ordinary. It looked like she was a pretty lonely person. And Taylor, the one who I didn't I couldn't understand what that second argument was about. Did you not know? I had no idea how it looked like something that you're talking to, the one the Kyle's sister who went home in the limo alone like she just got voted off the Bachelorette verse. Um, yeah, yeah, Taylor, I don't even know that. I didn't Taylor, I didn't even hear speak the entire episode, so that just looked like they had um wars before. She also looked Taylor just about the most upset of any of them, like they had a little screen in the back, like she was really upset with that fight, which I have no idea where that none. It's kind of like if you've seen that movie Anchorman with Will Farrell, like the different it's like the different news organizations are all just fighting each other and you don't even know who's fighting. They're picking up different weapons and everybody. That's kind of what that table felt like, just everyone jumping at each other. So what happens a lot? You'll find this People come on the show with their spouse together and then a year later get divorced because maybe they was like having a baby, let's do something different, or we're trying to save our marriage, or we're broke or we need this. It happens a lot, or someone just breaks up and comes on, Like it's a lot of relationship stuff. Yolana hadid came on with Dave Foster, the you know singer, I mean the music the big music producer, and marriage ended really quickly thereafter. Kelsey was on for like the first episode with Camille and sometimes you think that that person might have had a relationship going or they were having problems, and it's sort of like a parting gift, like give her something to fucking do? Does that make any sense? So she came on and in the very beginning they were like the beginning of when the show started. There in a bit, she's in a big ball down. So they shot them going in the limousine to New York and I think all the girls were there, and that sort of enters her package on the show. And I guess there's a preceding comment where Camille was saying that Kyle indicated or said, oh, why would they want you if Kelsey wasn't here? Because I guess they were invited to something and that I mean, that would make sense that Kyle might think it or well why would they like why would why would she be on the show if it wasn't if she wasn't married at one point to Frasier, right and has the money from Fraser and yeah, and also know there was like another event I guess that they were all going to go to on the show, and the the the accusation is that Kyle made it belittled her on her own that she like sort of needed Kelsey to be invited to something. But I frankly think like you think she needed Kelsey to be invited on this show and probably a lot of that stuff. A lot of people are still why is her name still Camille Grammar? Right? Yeah, I'm saying people recognition, right exactly, You're still the name. Oh kay, So that that's what that argument was about. But um, do you think it's a would you ever do a reality show with your girlfriend? No, not that one like maybe The Amazing Race or something where like you're working together that when you just said like a lot of the couple's relationships break during the show, Yeah, no, ship like most like psychologically like it's just again, you have to go to an event like that, Like I don't hang out with people I don't like, Like that would be I would never do that. Like if my girlfriends like, we have to do the show and by the way, I'm gonna need you to start hanging out with people you despise, Yeah, the relationship would end pretty quick because I would never do that. There's always a number. What's the number for you to go on the h House? I think there's a number is always how many episodes? Is it? It can be if it's how long are they gonna be tracking me and camerason? Is it everywhere? Okay, it's no, it's it's four months out of the year. It feels like twelve because you're constantly talking about it and promoting it and what ever. But it's four months of literal shooting with some pickups and it's probably in your case, three days but not all day, like this dinner, this breakfast, whatever, three three times a week that they'd capture some long days and then you have to go on a trip und millionay not not not It always is literally not not a penny less. Wow, Okay, I'm getting up there in years. Like so every second I spend doing something I don't like has a definite cost to it. And like I don't even know what I do with that extra money, but it would be too much for me not to take that. It has to be so ridiculous, Like, all right, I guess I'll have to do it. Then a hundred million and that's for four months as many episodes as they can crank out. They can do whatever they want. There there, I'm there is for four months. Okay, I love it all right, Well, I'm right there with you. By the way, they want me back really badly. My number is not that high, but it's a fucking number. Um okay. And what do you think about what was said to Kyle? Like how she handled it? How that what the medium said to her? Yes? Why what she said? Two things? Didn't she say something about the marriage and then she said something else? I forget she said two things like, oh is this your second marriage? And something about your kids. Oh, when your kids get older, you're not gonna have anything going on in your relationship. Your husband's tired and like bored of you. Basically, I think is what the medium said. And once the kids are gone, like you're you're going to be lifeless. And by the way, every single woman feels that way and every single man. I mean, I'm not even saying that. That's that You're right, it's like a horoscope. You could attach that to any couple in America. Yeah, right, if if somebody said that that, I didn't know the medium even if you're asking that would have anchored me got up and left. You are really violent? Would you be self caught? Like if you wanted to grab somebody by the hair on that show and you were getting paid njremillion, would you give a ship like if you were in there, would you be calculated or you just be exactly you are? Not give a good fund? Doesn't exactly who I am? Yeah, what do I care? Is I think anybody as you're describing, which I don't really get obviously the loof angle of it, um like why should go on? I guess the fame angle, but like I don't. I'm not for me personally. I wouldn't be going on to get more famous. And I don't care if I got like boot like I I play with in the rules as long as I got the money. So I you know, those are probably the best characters who don't care. Nobody on that show doesn't care. You'd be amazing. That's the ironic part about it. I'm pretty decent too, You're pretty Teughlent. I am like you, but I think about you a lot in business because I wonder, like, do you really not like how many? If there's a hundred comments about you, and it's in different places, but let's say it's like a neutral place, not where everyone loves you, not where everyone hates, you know how it's the left, the right, fox or seeing if there's the neutral place. And there are a hundred of comments, how many are positive and how many are negative? And do you give a shit about it? Most are positive? Um, and but the I know it's hard to this goes against what you just said. The really animated people tend to be politically who comments. But we tend to be politically driven either the ones who love me the most and the ones who hate me the most, And those are like outliers, normal people. They're like, yeah, we like Barcel, we like Dave, and you know, the reception if I'm out in the street, it's always positive, people saying hello. So it's mostly positive. But again even in comments, those are like not really like, I don't leave comments on random people, you know, so it's not like the real people to begin with. That's what I want to say. The people who take time to leave a negative comment don't reflect the normal population. People like time take time on Instagram, on TikTok in particular. That's a certain kind of crazy person. Yeah, it's like the old talk radio, like you know, back in the day Boston, Like talk radio is huge. It was like the number one city for sports talk radio, and you have like I don't know, millions of people listening and point zero zero zero one calling and the callers are crazy. So it's the same thing. That's okay, Well that's that's that's helpful. I like that. I'm always amazed. Like in in our world, you get so caught up it's easy to like see comments and social media, and then you go out to the real world and people don't even know, Like you think you're in some knockout, drag out fight. Like people don't even know. They're like, what are you talking about? I have no idea, Like what do you mean? Well, by the way, and different on each platform, you could be a full TikTok Twitter thing that came out and you think you're in a war, like and you've been being taken down. Then you walk out into the other room of Instagram or the real world and and and you're doing deals and know what you're thinking, Oh, you're not gonna not want to do this deal, and they're like, what the are you talking about? Talk the same it's a world. They're all worlds onto themselves, and radio is another world, and podcasts another world. Very interesting also that people don't realize so Taylor, by the way, they do some preview talking about she says in a preview that she's a victim of domestic violence, and I think it came out that she was at home too in her own marriage. If that happened, you're going through a lot in your personal life obviously leading up to it. It's not like that just happens out of clouds. And then you put all these combustible people in a room and I guess it gets nasty. But I always also wonder why those people would go on television. It's like too tempting, that's how tempting famous. So the first season of Jersey, Teresa, who I'm sure you've heard of and Joe went on together, she's paying for all the furniture and cash. And then right, so there's one example. Okay, Then there's another woman, Erica, who's on the current Beverly Hills show, and I actually knew her. I've met her ex husband, her ex husband through someone. And she's the most expensive that's ever been on wearing the most jewelry. Has a song, It's expensive to be me talking about money, and it's fifty a month to do glam and like she's about money, like I have some money, not maybe you money, but I have money. But I'm not on the show. I'm a person. I have nice things. I'm talking. I don't show my arms bags, It's not who I am. So she's talking about money and then she her husband gets in legal trouble, massive legal trouble about the money from the plane crash victims going to her expensive lifestyle. This is all alleged. I don't even know where the cases right now, but I'm just saying this is a person that her husband. I knew that he was going through some crazy ship from my ex who was also in that business, saying he owes everybody money and he's he's a scam. You know, he's a scam art. So it's interesting and I can tell you, sadly ten more stories like that. Yeah, it's crazy. Like you said, it's fame, fames and intoxicating drugs. No different than people going on The Bachelor, people going on any of these reality TV shows for fame. I think that it if that's the primary motivation, which it is, it changes a lot. Like for me personally, I never intended to be like no, like I started barcel as a business and I want to make money and do something I like. But it wasn't like the fame part of it came very slowly and very organically, and like I it's not. I'm much more on the business, Like I don't consider myself like an influencer, really consider myself a business guy. That's kind of how I look at myself. Yeah, I do too, I do too. But you you've created a gro culture that is really successful. Like they're the mom we have literally the marriage of audiences, Like I've got the moms, like the cool moms that are married to the bros. Like I know you're young guys in all ages, but like my moms are edgy moms married to those bros. Like it's very interesting, um, And it's funny that you mentioned Malouf because listen, when you have airs to a fortune, just like succession, you never know where the money goes. And a lot of these people that have been on these shows rent the cars, the car the ferraris are rented, or at least the houses they're renting or don't own or friend lends it to them. You always find out someone's always in bankruptcy, always being cheated on. There's always some shady numbership. It's never on these shows what it looks like that. Yeah, I believe. I believe because they rented the house next to me, so I'm sure they didn't say that was like a rented house in the Hampton's when they went exactly so big exactly. And another thing you'll find interesting because we're talking about fame. There are many actresses now, particularly in the Beverly Hills, really all in Beverly Hills. So you have Garcella Buvet actress, Lisa Rana, actress, Kyle Richards, actress Kim who was on that show who's not on now but likely we'll go back Denise Richards. I'm sure you know actresses. So now you have actresses on reality television show. That's another interesting dynamic. A they maybe didn't pop to the level they wanted to acting career, but by stay in the headlines. Yeah, and it stays in the headlines. It's like, I mean reality, be a successful on his a cheap code to fame fortune and you can parlay it into other stuff. But what about being a good actress on a reality show? Is that the that's the juxtaposition of all time, right, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. If you're good at that, that's an extra ski Oh, that's that should be helpful in this in this arena um. All right, well, I won't keep it too much longer, but I could talk. I love I love your take, and I love doing this with people who who haven't seen it because it's just like watching a whole group of creatures in the zoo that you don't understand. So do you think who won the who won the episode? I mean it's it's not the greatest answer, but the maloof and and to me, vander Pump won it by just not singing totally insane like. Those are the only two that to me came out like all right. They seemed to be fairly normal people, like the vander Pump like she she seemed witty and quick, like an intelligent person. The Malouf I just thought didn't want any part of it. The others all just seemed totally psycho Like Chyle seems psycho to Yeah, she seems psycho to me, interesting because she's in the middle of it all because you're engaging in craziness, like got it? Okay, now again, it's hard because, like I get that it's the real house wise, and I get you have to go to the dinner, But if you hate this woman so much, why are you going to the dinner like that? Which I know you have to go? Walk out? Yeah, right, yes, walk out. They'll shoot you walking out. Walk yeah, walk the funk out. I've walked out. I've yeah, I've walked. I've done it all because the best thing to do is do real right. Well that I mean, I guess you didn't look crazy. But she was the center of the drama for the most part, her and the h what's her face? The frasier and to the fame point in the walkout point, if I'm fay reis the owner of the homes best friend or very good friend? She said she's a very good friend. Is the medium who's talking about me and I don't like it, And she says, so leave. I think I would say, fine, I'm leaving. If I'm fay I'm staying as a guest in someone's home, and you would you wouldn't you leave if you were Fame? And she said to leave? Yeah, I don't know, maybe not to spite her. Yeah, you have like two legs you walk out the whole thing. I yeah, I mean maybe i'd leave. I probably want to show it up. But it's again, it really did, which is reality TV show. But like I knew what was basically coming before it came, Like I knew that medium was going to give a bad reading to somebody get drunk and be the evil person versu the others, Like that was obvious it was coming. Um, so it just felt super scripted. And was Camille, do you do you care about being someone being the host? Like do you believe in that ship? Like the Camille was bad host because she invited people to her house and then ambushed them with that question you guess your's your house you've invited? She was a bad host, right, Okay, definitely was a bad host. Okay. And then if you had to pick a rose and thorn of the episode, what was it the best and the worst? Like it could be bad that you liked it, but just the thing that you liked the most about the episode and the thing you did just like, yeah, one of the girls walked into a plant leaving, which I thought was funny in the back, uh, and it was very like I don't know what they were doing to the poor girl who's just alone in the limo. Like I said, that felt very bad Solorette um And I mean I thought the medium girl, as much as I've given her thorn as she was the most entertaining part of it kind of like a train wreck. It's like, is this person even real? Like is that if I met her in the street, is she going to be just as insane as she was there? And like, who would actually base a TV show on this person? Well? No, but she also is hired in cold case like in cases correct, which also is quite scary. We're gonna have to find more about that. Five. There may have been some um white lies being told there. Oh okay, imagine seeing this woman and being like, we're gonna base a TV show offer. It's like, what are you nuts? After that? Yeah, but I was wondering how it affected her career. By the way, a hundred person that I'm thinking, you're the police department of wherever and you're gonna hire that. But I bet that happens all the time. But they hire people that are supposed to understand like handwriting and body languae and all this ship And it's probably all about I bet there's some people out there who saw this in is like, that's an interesting way to describe what she's done for us. Like I, I I do not really believe. She's too crazy for me to believe anything she says. You're you help catch serial killers? No you don't. Well no, remember when ray J said something during this the Kim tape thing, and he said something about the fact that the lie detective person was a scammer. The thing is, I know so many chefs, I know so many event planners, so many social media people, so many publicists, so many everything. I really don't know that many lie detector test people. And I don't know that many mediums that catch me. So if anybody says they do that and I need that, I'm hiring whoever said they did that, right point? Do you know, Like I mean, she trying to catch a serial killer is like serious business? This this woman is not serious business. I don't know what she is, but she's not somebody that I would want to waste my time like spending more than three minutes thinking. But like you said, maybe everybody in that space a little bit loopy. I don't know. I'd find that hard to believe now, not according to her, Like, I'm sure she caught everybody, but but how does she get to work for police departments if she never caught anybody? Has got a show made about her. I don't know that I believe any of it. All right, if she's caught a serial killer, we have to have her on one of your podcasts if she actually but again I need it like pea, like, yeah she did, we hired her. I see a pace not not. You know her story. I don't trust anything she says. All right, how much would you bet I'm not betting you, but how much would you bet that she hasn't actually caught a serial killer? That I know? I like five grand? I mean just betting on her being a liar? Basically, Okay, we're betting five grand. I don't know who you're betting. I have a feeling maybe like in some capacity she walked past the police station and saw maybe somebody getting rest is like, oh I knew what he did. Like, it's just it's not gonna be what she said. There may be some way, some hints, but it's not like she sat down went to her me d zone is like the serial killer is hiding in a storage locker three states away. No way like a movie. Okay, all right, Well, first of all, a hundred million to go on the housewives. Please let me take a commission. I'll go on with you if I even if I take the commission, the ten percent commission, I'll go on with you to that's the second deal. And then um maybe fifty maybe I don't know, manages. We'll have to negotiate that united on the side tent between ten and is what i'd like, and we can split brand deals and anything comes out of it. Um, sure Bravo will go bankrupt after paying us a hundred million, but whatever it's gonna go, we'll see. And then um five thousand. If the woman has ye that that's what they should have done at the tape. Once she's like, they'll be like tell us, tell us more like you already caught him, so you can say whatever you want, like tell us what you did. Oh yes, By the way, most serial killers are like no, like if you're a serial killer, like you know who that person is generally, so there's not like a ton of cereal killers like and they all become whether like the Dahmer things out now that's getting but like you generally know when a serial killer is caught because they're a serial killer, and that's what you would have done. Yeah, like who who? Who was a serial killer you caught and give us the details and everything like that, because my guess is you don't have them. You know. It's funny that was like a decade ago. I can't wait for them to call her right now ten years later. She's like, we don't know what the show is still on. I doubted it is. She's like expired and now we're just dredging this up again, like we like um. That was the best part of the whole thing that made me so incredibly happy. Dave. Guess what, Dave. I used to have a sign. I sold it with my old apartment. It was neon behind me and it said I know it all. I'm gonna get you. I've never said to another person that they should have the I Know it All signed. It was in lower case, so it's not loud as I know it all. I think you should get Foster's claim to make in public I catch serial killers. Now you don't like you just don't like it because that would have been episode two. That would have been when you get two episodes out of one that would have been definitely a TB continued, if you had said that, we would have been checking that fucking awesome. You're the best. I love that you did this. Thank you, M

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