The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but you should at least know what's happening, and it is. The tour kicks off late September and goes through the end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They're available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour or at your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. Welcome to Joy the Podcast. My guest today is a friend of mine full disclosure, A good friend of mine and a good person and very clever and very interesting, and she is a MythBuster. So that works. Her name is Carried Byron, and you're welcome and enjoy carry.

The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but you should at least know what's happening, and it is. The tour kicks off late September and goes through the end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They're available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour or at your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. Welcome to Joy the Podcast. My guest today is a friend of mine full disclosure, A good friend of mine and a good person and very clever and very interesting, and she is a MythBuster. So that works. Her name is Carried Byron, and you're welcome and enjoy carry.

I want to ask you a question. Yes, this is a question.

I want to ask you a question. Yes, this is a question.

Although I've known you for many years, I have never answer you this question, unless maybe I have asked you this question.

Although I've known you for many years, I have never answer you this question, unless maybe I have asked you this question.

But we'll find out.

But we'll find out.

Are you in any way related to Lord Byron?

Are you in any way related to Lord Byron?

Well, according to my father, yes, but my father was one of those big fish kind of guys that tells really great stories. So sometimes I'm just going to go with yes. I have never fully fully investigated it. But my dad used to have this big leather bound Lord Byron book, okay, read in front of the fireplace, and like five am when I get up early, I'd curl up on his lap and he would read me poetry. And I didn't understand any of it until I was older, but he felt this. I think it just gave him a sense of importance. So like on his deathbed, I read him Lord Byron poetry.

Well, according to my father, yes, but my father was one of those big fish kind of guys that tells really great stories. So sometimes I'm just going to go with yes. I have never fully fully investigated it. But my dad used to have this big leather bound Lord Byron book, okay, read in front of the fireplace, and like five am when I get up early, I'd curl up on his lap and he would read me poetry. And I didn't understand any of it until I was older, but he felt this. I think it just gave him a sense of importance. So like on his deathbed, I read him Lord Byron poetry.

Oh wow, that's father lovely. And I'm sorry to hear that your father's passed. But what a lovely thing to do? Was he able to hear you? Did he enjoy it?

Oh wow, that's father lovely. And I'm sorry to hear that your father's passed. But what a lovely thing to do? Was he able to hear you? Did he enjoy it?

And stuff?

And stuff?

I feel like he did. He wasn't really in a state of it.

I feel like he did. He wasn't really in a state of it.

So yeah, you know.

So yeah, you know.

I gave my mother on her deathbed, I gave her a photograph of Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis had been on the Late Night Show and that was my mom's favorite. And then she was dying and I told Tony Curtis my mom was in the hospital.

I gave my mother on her deathbed, I gave her a photograph of Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis had been on the Late Night Show and that was my mom's favorite. And then she was dying and I told Tony Curtis my mom was in the hospital.

She's very second.

She's very second.

I was going to leave after the show, and he went, oh, and he signed a photograph for and I gave it to my mom. But I think I don't think she saw it, but I like to think that she knew that it was a picture of Tony Curtis signed by Tony Kurtiz On anyway, listen, it's a rather poetic name for someone who I think of as being a science You're very sciencey. You come you've come to my haunted houses in Scotland, and you're like, ah, there's no such thing as ghosts, and you're very sciencey about it.

I was going to leave after the show, and he went, oh, and he signed a photograph for and I gave it to my mom. But I think I don't think she saw it, but I like to think that she knew that it was a picture of Tony Curtis signed by Tony Kurtiz On anyway, listen, it's a rather poetic name for someone who I think of as being a science You're very sciencey. You come you've come to my haunted houses in Scotland, and you're like, ah, there's no such thing as ghosts, and you're very sciencey about it.

But of course there are such a thing as ghosts. Obviously.

But of course there are such a thing as ghosts. Obviously.

I wanted to be haunted so badly at your house, Like I stayed awake, I walked around in the dark.

I wanted to be haunted so badly at your house, Like I stayed awake, I walked around in the dark.

I was like, bring it, because I would love to be haunted. That would be so cool.

I was like, bring it, because I would love to be haunted. That would be so cool.

Yeah, that's what they don't do it if you want it. Also, I think there were a couple of scotsmen at the parties be very happy to be haunting you in the middle of the night if they you you were walking around the castle. I watched a couple of those gentlemen. What all you around the dance floor.

Yeah, that's what they don't do it if you want it. Also, I think there were a couple of scotsmen at the parties be very happy to be haunting you in the middle of the night if they you you were walking around the castle. I watched a couple of those gentlemen. What all you around the dance floor.

But you do some real fun dancing at your parties. You have never done that kind of dancing. It's it's like Scottish line dancing or coon it is.

But you do some real fun dancing at your parties. You have never done that kind of dancing. It's it's like Scottish line dancing or coon it is.

It's reels. It's it's reels before Instagram. Now let me let me ask you this because you are one of a select gang that throughout the course of this podcast I will talk to all of them, even probably including Jamie is myth Butler's Royalty. You were the only for most of the time anyway, you were the only women on the team, right.

It's reels. It's it's reels before Instagram. Now let me let me ask you this because you are one of a select gang that throughout the course of this podcast I will talk to all of them, even probably including Jamie is myth Butler's Royalty. You were the only for most of the time anyway, you were the only women on the team, right.

Well, we started out with Skotcharny.

Well, we started out with Skotcharny.

Yes, she is just an amazing welder and very very cool. I was just the longest running and consistently the first one. I was helping Jamie out behind the scenes when I was just interning, so like the very first episode, I was there.

Yes, she is just an amazing welder and very very cool. I was just the longest running and consistently the first one. I was helping Jamie out behind the scenes when I was just interning, so like the very first episode, I was there.

But you were interning, right, That's what it was.

But you were interning, right, That's what it was.

It was just like because because you I feel like maybe I'm making this up, but I feel like I think of you as you were a sculptress or a sculptor, right, that was your thing, that's where you were going to do.

It was just like because because you I feel like maybe I'm making this up, but I feel like I think of you as you were a sculptress or a sculptor, right, that was your thing, that's where you were going to do.

You still do that?

You still do that?

Yeah, I mean some of them are behind me.

Yeah, I mean some of them are behind me.

I was going to say those ones behind you yours?

I was going to say those ones behind you yours?

Yeah, I mean I've always done it. I thought when I was in San Francisco that I was going to become this like really cool sculptor and my life was going to be artie and my creepy little sculptures didn't really sell that well. I couldn't make a living out of it, so I thought, oh my god, how could I still be a sculptor and do this kind of thing? But like it paid, So then I started trying to put together a portfolio so that I could maybe go work. It's you know, work on Star Wars because Lucas Ranch was so close to us, and I wanted to be like Jamie and Adam and Tory when I grew up. I wanted to do what they did. They were model makers. Yeah, but I ended up using those sculptures that I had made artistically to impress Jamie, and he's like, Okay, you know, maybe I'll give you a job.

Yeah, I mean I've always done it. I thought when I was in San Francisco that I was going to become this like really cool sculptor and my life was going to be artie and my creepy little sculptures didn't really sell that well. I couldn't make a living out of it, so I thought, oh my god, how could I still be a sculptor and do this kind of thing? But like it paid, So then I started trying to put together a portfolio so that I could maybe go work. It's you know, work on Star Wars because Lucas Ranch was so close to us, and I wanted to be like Jamie and Adam and Tory when I grew up. I wanted to do what they did. They were model makers. Yeah, but I ended up using those sculptures that I had made artistically to impress Jamie, and he's like, Okay, you know, maybe I'll give you a job.

I won't pay you, but you can come work here.

I won't pay you, but you can come work here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That sounds very much like Jamie. He's he's for.

That sounds very much like Jamie. He's he's for.

He's a very singular human being. I've always liked very much what he did on camera. I always got very a sense of like, there were people like you and Adam and Torry and Grant God dressed them. We're very comfortable on camera and kind of loved it and we're very natural. And Jamie I always get a sense that he was kind of rather grudgingly doing it because he felt like someone. I felt like someone had told him he had to do it and say you.

He's a very singular human being. I've always liked very much what he did on camera. I always got very a sense of like, there were people like you and Adam and Torry and Grant God dressed them. We're very comfortable on camera and kind of loved it and we're very natural. And Jamie I always get a sense that he was kind of rather grudgingly doing it because he felt like someone. I felt like someone had told him he had to do it and say you.

Went yeah, right, I don't like it? Or am I making out? Was that character?

Went yeah, right, I don't like it? Or am I making out? Was that character?

No? No, there is no character like Jamie is Jamie.

No? No, there is no character like Jamie is Jamie.

When I occasionally go visit his shop and he oorates the gearing of everything he's working on, like it's the same stuff, like he's working for some DARPA think tank or something at this point on some stuff I probably can't talk about, but I all spent an hour just listening to him explain projects. But he did MythBusters because they gave him an opportunity to do really cool, weird, wild stuff.

When I occasionally go visit his shop and he oorates the gearing of everything he's working on, like it's the same stuff, like he's working for some DARPA think tank or something at this point on some stuff I probably can't talk about, but I all spent an hour just listening to him explain projects. But he did MythBusters because they gave him an opportunity to do really cool, weird, wild stuff.

Right, there was a lot of explosions. You guys blew up a lot of stuff, a lot.

Right, there was a lot of explosions. You guys blew up a lot of stuff, a lot.

No, honestly, that wasn't his favorite. That was like one of my favorites.

No, honestly, that wasn't his favorite. That was like one of my favorites.

You seem to be very.

You seem to be very.

Drawn to explosions. Do you still get to get your explosions fixed?

Drawn to explosions. Do you still get to get your explosions fixed?

Now? How do you get your semtex fixed these days?

Now? How do you get your semtex fixed these days?

Well?

Well?

I do black powder artwork, so I'm still yeah, you send you some, give me your address, I'll send you some powder.

I do black powder artwork, so I'm still yeah, you send you some, give me your address, I'll send you some powder.

It's not going to work well that you can't said.

It's not going to work well that you can't said.

That it is all. It's already it's already been set off. So I take canvases, cover them in a watercolor paper, and then I I do these controlled explosions. They're not very big because I'm doing in my backyard.

That it is all. It's already it's already been set off. So I take canvases, cover them in a watercolor paper, and then I I do these controlled explosions. They're not very big because I'm doing in my backyard.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Yeah, don't tell anybody anybody, but I have I have a storage of really old dirty black powder, like not the clean kind because they change the recipe, but like the old stuff that they would put in canons. So I have this old black powder. And when I was on MythBusters, I learned how much I loved the detritus that was left behind when we do explosions, and so I'm like.

Yeah, don't tell anybody anybody, but I have I have a storage of really old dirty black powder, like not the clean kind because they change the recipe, but like the old stuff that they would put in canons. So I have this old black powder. And when I was on MythBusters, I learned how much I loved the detritus that was left behind when we do explosions, and so I'm like.

I wonder if I could make that into our work.

I wonder if I could make that into our work.

So I started exploding things on paper and using clay to mask things off, and I made these kind of really cool explorations in What's Left Behind, which is basically at that point just a charcoal painting. And then I discovered there's other artists that do this. There's like a really famous Chinese artist that does this much bigger and better than I do. But it's it's just another way I can have an expression of art well, still blown, but.

So I started exploding things on paper and using clay to mask things off, and I made these kind of really cool explorations in What's Left Behind, which is basically at that point just a charcoal painting. And then I discovered there's other artists that do this. There's like a really famous Chinese artist that does this much bigger and better than I do. But it's it's just another way I can have an expression of art well, still blown, but.

It's got to be it's got to be abstracts.

It's got to be it's got to be abstracts.

Like, it's not like you said something off and suddenly there's a horse or something like that.

Like, it's not like you said something off and suddenly there's a horse or something like that.

Right Actruly, I do a lot of abstract stuff.

Right Actruly, I do a lot of abstract stuff.

All of my abstract stuff has a theme of connectivity, humanity and quantum physics. But then every now and then, like I will do pieces where I take this palmer clay and then I will extrude it into these long, skinny pieces and I will put it on a paper. I did one recently for my friend who had lost her her dog, and so did a portrait of her dog using this clay to kind of mask off an area that would create negative space, and then I exploded black powder behind it, and it makes this really cool charcoal painting. But it's almost like it's like when you look at the negative space is white and then.

All of my abstract stuff has a theme of connectivity, humanity and quantum physics. But then every now and then, like I will do pieces where I take this palmer clay and then I will extrude it into these long, skinny pieces and I will put it on a paper. I did one recently for my friend who had lost her her dog, and so did a portrait of her dog using this clay to kind of mask off an area that would create negative space, and then I exploded black powder behind it, and it makes this really cool charcoal painting. But it's almost like it's like when you look at the negative space is white and then.

The background the explosions.

The background the explosions.

Yeah, but it creates this sort of chaos because like the little the grain that I use, I use a really big grain because I like how it shoots around the page and makes these little like squiggly marks, and then parts of it kind of explosive.

Yeah, but it creates this sort of chaos because like the little the grain that I use, I use a really big grain because I like how it shoots around the page and makes these little like squiggly marks, and then parts of it kind of explosive.

Do you have to use special paper you blow up your paper?

Do you have to use special paper you blow up your paper?

Well, I've I've done a lot of experimenting, as you know I like to do, and I've figured out, you know, it's if you contain the black powder, it creates an explosion and that's when things get destroyed and there's just chaos. But if you if it's open air, it just goes and it just leaves charcoal behind. I mean, mind you, My daughter hates it because the smell of sulfur lofting up into her room.

Well, I've I've done a lot of experimenting, as you know I like to do, and I've figured out, you know, it's if you contain the black powder, it creates an explosion and that's when things get destroyed and there's just chaos. But if you if it's open air, it just goes and it just leaves charcoal behind. I mean, mind you, My daughter hates it because the smell of sulfur lofting up into her room.

She's like, oh, it smells like smoky farts. I hate it.

She's like, oh, it smells like smoky farts. I hate it.

Well, I do quite like the smell of smoky for or I was going to say sulfur, and then I said smoky farts. But I say, I think I meant smoky farts. What I'm saying is that that's that's kind of my smell is smoky.

Well, I do quite like the smell of smoky for or I was going to say sulfur, and then I said smoky farts. But I say, I think I meant smoky farts. What I'm saying is that that's that's kind of my smell is smoky.

I like to go smoky. I remember actually.

I like to go smoky. I remember actually.

There was an episode of myth Busters were you guys did collect your farts in a jar?

There was an episode of myth Busters were you guys did collect your farts in a jar?

There was we did a lot of farts are funny.

There was we did a lot of farts are funny.

They are I totally agree.

They are I totally agree.

I always killed but they but they I do remember because I remember seeing you doing sit ups and Adam doing sit ups and catcows and stuff like that to try and collect to see how much was so much gas a human creates in a day or something.

I always killed but they but they I do remember because I remember seeing you doing sit ups and Adam doing sit ups and catcows and stuff like that to try and collect to see how much was so much gas a human creates in a day or something.

I don't know. It was some it was fantastic. I remember that.

I don't know. It was some it was fantastic. I remember that.

There was a lot of things that I think I worked on them. And do girls fart?

There was a lot of things that I think I worked on them. And do girls fart?

I mean wow, that made it as far as the show.

I mean wow, that made it as far as the show.

Girls, I mean yeah, it was a bunch of mini myths.

Girls, I mean yeah, it was a bunch of mini myths.

And that one they raked up a pair of hydrogen sulfide detecting panties.

And that one they raked up a pair of hydrogen sulfide detecting panties.

Hey, when Jamie says panties, it freaks me out.

Hey, when Jamie says panties, it freaks me out.

Yes, I'm in London right now, so you can say pants, mean.

Yes, I'm in London right now, so you can say pants, mean.

I can say pants.

I can say pants.

Yeah, yeah, well, pants, and then then it will be underpants. But if you said it's a whole thing, you know how it is. Tell me that though, when before you were in because I know I met you when you were doing MythBusters because I have such a fan of the show. And then you guys came down and we started kind of hanging out and stuff like that. But before your life in myth Busters, I mean you were straight out of college, right.

Yeah, yeah, well, pants, and then then it will be underpants. But if you said it's a whole thing, you know how it is. Tell me that though, when before you were in because I know I met you when you were doing MythBusters because I have such a fan of the show. And then you guys came down and we started kind of hanging out and stuff like that. But before your life in myth Busters, I mean you were straight out of college, right.

No ish?

No ish?

I So after college, I packed a backpack and I traveled around.

I So after college, I packed a backpack and I traveled around.

The world for about a year. No way did she get country to country.

The world for about a year. No way did she get country to country.

I started going west from California, so I left San Francisco and yeah, I almost said that year, Okay, this is going to date me up.

I started going west from California, so I left San Francisco and yeah, I almost said that year, Okay, this is going to date me up.

In nineteen ninety eight, I left and.

In nineteen ninety eight, I left and.

I went to Rare Tonga and Fiji and New Zealand, Australia, worked my way up through Bali, through Southeast Asia, Japan, India, nepoal.

I went to Rare Tonga and Fiji and New Zealand, Australia, worked my way up through Bali, through Southeast Asia, Japan, India, nepoal.

Worked my wayward to Europe and down to Egypt.

Worked my wayward to Europe and down to Egypt.

A couple of times, I just I just kind of kept moving. And I started out the trip with another girl, and then a couple of countries in we split off and did our own things.

A couple of times, I just I just kind of kept moving. And I started out the trip with another girl, and then a couple of countries in we split off and did our own things.

So I was traveling alone a lot and making friends along the way and lazies.

So I was traveling alone a lot and making friends along the way and lazies.

You have a door, would you would you let your door do that?

You have a door, would you would you let your door do that?

Then?

Then?

I feel like at that age she would be an adult. And it was the most transformative educational experience I ever had. I feel like my entire life has been shaped around the mission to build bridges and connect with people and just feel that humanity. And I learned so much about myself in the world. And you know, when I left college, I was still in that sort of like crazy phase, and I feel like it grounded me in a really interesting way.

I feel like at that age she would be an adult. And it was the most transformative educational experience I ever had. I feel like my entire life has been shaped around the mission to build bridges and connect with people and just feel that humanity. And I learned so much about myself in the world. And you know, when I left college, I was still in that sort of like crazy phase, and I feel like it grounded me in a really interesting way.

And how did you go to college? What did you study?

And how did you go to college? What did you study?

San Francisco State. I wanted to go for film sculpture. I just something laraty at the time, which is how I kind of ended up that come.

San Francisco State. I wanted to go for film sculpture. I just something laraty at the time, which is how I kind of ended up that come.

From your parents? Then? Were you an arty family?

From your parents? Then? Were you an arty family?

No, I mean the Byrons.

No, I mean the Byrons.

Well, I mean I mean, but Byron was first of all, He's Scottish and I think he was a bit of a bit of a drunk actually.

Well, I mean I mean, but Byron was first of all, He's Scottish and I think he was a bit of a bit of a drunk actually.

Byron, Oh, yeah, he was.

Byron, Oh, yeah, he was.

He was wild.

He was wild.

I mean, I am not entirely proud of some of the things that that side. His father brought, uh, venereal diseases, to like the cook eye.

I mean, I am not entirely proud of some of the things that that side. His father brought, uh, venereal diseases, to like the cook eye.

I think that I think there's been a lot of a lot of mayhem.

I think that I think there's been a lot of a lot of mayhem.

But he would he.

But he would he.

Would definitely be canceled now Byron. There's no way he had survived in social media, no way. There's so many people know that would not have survived that.

Would definitely be canceled now Byron. There's no way he had survived in social media, no way. There's so many people know that would not have survived that.

Uh.

Uh.

Although I don't know, you canceled a drunk poet, but probably you don't drunk put with the title. Well that's it, You're canceled. I don't care.

Although I don't know, you canceled a drunk poet, but probably you don't drunk put with the title. Well that's it, You're canceled. I don't care.

I don't think it would matter. But the fact I have.

I don't think it would matter. But the fact I have.

A lot of bastard children. He had one child that he claimed. Now this is this is sort of the the ancestor that I tell my kid about because I was so proud. So he had a daughter, Ada of Lovelace, who she was really sick when she was young, and her mother was not into Lord Byron. So she she stole her way and tried to break the poetry out of her with math.

A lot of bastard children. He had one child that he claimed. Now this is this is sort of the the ancestor that I tell my kid about because I was so proud. So he had a daughter, Ada of Lovelace, who she was really sick when she was young, and her mother was not into Lord Byron. So she she stole her way and tried to break the poetry out of her with math.

She made her study.

She made her study.

Math, so kind of like praise the way, but with math that's crazy.

Math, so kind of like praise the way, but with math that's crazy.

Yeah, she's just like, I'm going to get all the RT out of you. I'm going to I'm going to train you in math.

Yeah, she's just like, I'm going to get all the RT out of you. I'm going to I'm going to train you in math.

So when this woman grew up, she hooked up with this guy Charles Babbage, who was and they created He had created a counting machine like a giant calculator, and she used that machine as an application to create rugs with pictures on them. She was sort of the grandmother of computer science because she's the one that figured out with all those ones and cereals you can create. So we wouldn't have I don't think computers today if it wasn't for that connection between our science.

So when this woman grew up, she hooked up with this guy Charles Babbage, who was and they created He had created a counting machine like a giant calculator, and she used that machine as an application to create rugs with pictures on them. She was sort of the grandmother of computer science because she's the one that figured out with all those ones and cereals you can create. So we wouldn't have I don't think computers today if it wasn't for that connection between our science.

So she's the revolutionary.

So she's the revolutionary.

Yeah, that is fascinating.

Yeah, that is fascinating.

It was also, I mean, the idea that math would push the r of someone as such a ridiculous notion. You think of Leonardo da Vinci, who is pretty much a mathematician who did are or an artist mathematician and pretty good one, not as well and probably gay.

It was also, I mean, the idea that math would push the r of someone as such a ridiculous notion. You think of Leonardo da Vinci, who is pretty much a mathematician who did are or an artist mathematician and pretty good one, not as well and probably gay.

I've heard that, I've.

I've heard that, I've.

Heard, Yeah, I think so. I think.

Heard, Yeah, I think so. I think.

I think back then the sexuality in medieval Italy, Middle Ages and Netlie it was like, you know whatever, you know, male, it's a fluid, Hey, what's the coming ago? It doesn't matter, everything is fine. So you leave there and you go with me. How did you end up? You just went to metaphors? This as an intern job that was because because of the connection with industrial light and magic, right, was that the thing you wanted at the time?

I think back then the sexuality in medieval Italy, Middle Ages and Netlie it was like, you know whatever, you know, male, it's a fluid, Hey, what's the coming ago? It doesn't matter, everything is fine. So you leave there and you go with me. How did you end up? You just went to metaphors? This as an intern job that was because because of the connection with industrial light and magic, right, was that the thing you wanted at the time?

Uh, MythBusters wasn't there. So I just got a job for Jamie.

Uh, MythBusters wasn't there. So I just got a job for Jamie.

Oh it was just Jamie. You was just wanting for Jamie. How did you meet Jamie for Good's Day? I mean, Jay, I can't imagine. Jamie's a person that you would meet socially. How did you how they held you bump into Jamie?

Oh it was just Jamie. You was just wanting for Jamie. How did you meet Jamie for Good's Day? I mean, Jay, I can't imagine. Jamie's a person that you would meet socially. How did you how they held you bump into Jamie?

Yeah, it wasn't socially.

Yeah, it wasn't socially.

No, I can't imagine.

No, I can't imagine.

So he had sort of a general manager of his shop that was teaching a sculpting for special effects class to college kids.

So he had sort of a general manager of his shop that was teaching a sculpting for special effects class to college kids.

And one of my friends at that class.

And one of my friends at that class.

And he was like, oh, Carrie would love this, like it's this incredible workshop. Like you should go hit him up and see if you can get an internship because this is what you've been trying to do. And I heard he gets everybody their first job. So I put together a portfolio and he, you know, introduced me to Jamie and the next day I was back. I mean, I had a job as a receptionist and I called in sick. I just started showing up at Jamie's shop, like just in case Jamie was going to throw me out because you know, at first he wasn't really that impressed with me. I have to say, he was just.

And he was like, oh, Carrie would love this, like it's this incredible workshop. Like you should go hit him up and see if you can get an internship because this is what you've been trying to do. And I heard he gets everybody their first job. So I put together a portfolio and he, you know, introduced me to Jamie and the next day I was back. I mean, I had a job as a receptionist and I called in sick. I just started showing up at Jamie's shop, like just in case Jamie was going to throw me out because you know, at first he wasn't really that impressed with me. I have to say, he was just.

Like some guy to impress, you know, I mean, it.

Like some guy to impress, you know, I mean, it.

Takes a minute.

Takes a minute.

It takes a minute.

It takes a minute.

What happened though with myth Busters, it's such an odd thing because it was such a strange. I always felt very connected to myth Busters. I always thought that the late night show that I'm myth Busters were kind of out of the same thing. They were anomalies, They shouldn't really have happened, they shouldn't really have been successful.

What happened though with myth Busters, it's such an odd thing because it was such a strange. I always felt very connected to myth Busters. I always thought that the late night show that I'm myth Busters were kind of out of the same thing. They were anomalies, They shouldn't really have happened, they shouldn't really have been successful.

But they both were by people who kind of like.

But they both were by people who kind of like.

Drifted into it for kind of sideways and the idea of you know, when you became you know, visible and famous and stuff like that. Because this sounds like to me that that was something that you were cultivating or even wanted to be part of.

Drifted into it for kind of sideways and the idea of you know, when you became you know, visible and famous and stuff like that. Because this sounds like to me that that was something that you were cultivating or even wanted to be part of.

So I know, you said I looked like I was comfortable on camera, but I was not. I was a shy person, right that pretends to be extroverted. So, I mean it was hard at first.

So I know, you said I looked like I was comfortable on camera, but I was not. I was a shy person, right that pretends to be extroverted. So, I mean it was hard at first.

Yeah, I think it first, but it kind of it gets easier right then, you get it didn't get easier over time.

Yeah, I think it first, but it kind of it gets easier right then, you get it didn't get easier over time.

I mean how long you guys did that show for for ten years? Yeah?

I mean how long you guys did that show for for ten years? Yeah?

Over ten years?

Over ten years?

Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it becomes a thing. And then Grant coming in. He came in in season two or something else, season three, is that right?

Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it becomes a thing. And then Grant coming in. He came in in season two or something else, season three, is that right?

Don't remember what season?

Don't remember what season?

Seasons are difficult for me because I was wild West of Networks and you know, we made more than three hundred and fifty episodes, but like the first season of MythBusters was like three episodes, and then the second was like ten, and then they realized our contracts only needed to be renegotiated per season, so all of a sudden, the season would be thirty six episodes.

Seasons are difficult for me because I was wild West of Networks and you know, we made more than three hundred and fifty episodes, but like the first season of MythBusters was like three episodes, and then the second was like ten, and then they realized our contracts only needed to be renegotiated per season, so all of a sudden, the season would be thirty six episodes.

Oh man, that's awful. That's awful.

Oh man, that's awful. That's awful.

Do you still what I mean, what does it look like now post MythBusters? Well, I mean we lost Grint, which was such a terrible, terrible shock, I mean, just awful, and everyone seems to be doing rather well likely, you know, I mean you now have that you're like you're the science thing that you do?

Do you still what I mean, what does it look like now post MythBusters? Well, I mean we lost Grint, which was such a terrible, terrible shock, I mean, just awful, and everyone seems to be doing rather well likely, you know, I mean you now have that you're like you're the science thing that you do?

What is that?

What is that?

So? You know, after MythBusters, Tory and I tried and tried to come up with other shows that we might do the same thing or give us this great experience, and you know, nothing took off past the season, but you know, we were friends and we want to just keep.

So? You know, after MythBusters, Tory and I tried and tried to come up with other shows that we might do the same thing or give us this great experience, and you know, nothing took off past the season, but you know, we were friends and we want to just keep.

Working, you know, if you want to scoop right now.

Working, you know, if you want to scoop right now.

The reason that I'm setting up the studio and it looks so blank right now is that Tory and I might be pre production putting together a podcast.

The reason that I'm setting up the studio and it looks so blank right now is that Tory and I might be pre production putting together a podcast.

Oh that's a great idea. I mean, of course that's the way to do it now as well. I mean, I mean, obviously you can have this podcast. I'm I'm going to do this until my contracts up, and now I'm not doing it anymore.

Oh that's a great idea. I mean, of course that's the way to do it now as well. I mean, I mean, obviously you can have this podcast. I'm I'm going to do this until my contracts up, and now I'm not doing it anymore.

Then, Yeah, I would I like.

Then, Yeah, I would I like.

To quit things. I just like to Ah, it's enough of that to try your career.

To quit things. I just like to Ah, it's enough of that to try your career.

Yeah, my god, it's enough of that.

Yeah, my god, it's enough of that.

We can try something else now.

We can try something else now.

But so what would you do in the pot if, hypothetically you and the Great Salvatory Belichi we're going to do a podcast together and I'll have to get one that's or else you'd be mad at me, And also I would like to talk to them. But what would you do in your podcast if you were going to do a podcast with Tori?

But so what would you do in the pot if, hypothetically you and the Great Salvatory Belichi we're going to do a podcast together and I'll have to get one that's or else you'd be mad at me, And also I would like to talk to them. But what would you do in your podcast if you were going to do a podcast with Tori?

So we had always said with you know, the real show was never what you guys saw the real show was the hilarity behind the scenes because we were all friends. I mean, we were pranking each other. We were talking about weird stuff that we saw.

So we had always said with you know, the real show was never what you guys saw the real show was the hilarity behind the scenes because we were all friends. I mean, we were pranking each other. We were talking about weird stuff that we saw.

We're like, oh my god, did you see that thing about the zombie ants?

We're like, oh my god, did you see that thing about the zombie ants?

You know, we would spend all this time with the weirdness of trying to produce the show. You know, hey, can you give us a cow stomach? With all the ventricles attached? Like, there's so many behind the scenes stories, plus all of the weird intricacies of the conversations that we would have. So it's basically going to be like, what's going on now? What things interest us? Relate it possibly to something back on MythBusters, because that's our shared history and we have so much of it. And then you know, maybe talk to some experts about things like cryogenics, Like let's go talk to a professor that can tell us, if it's possible.

You know, we would spend all this time with the weirdness of trying to produce the show. You know, hey, can you give us a cow stomach? With all the ventricles attached? Like, there's so many behind the scenes stories, plus all of the weird intricacies of the conversations that we would have. So it's basically going to be like, what's going on now? What things interest us? Relate it possibly to something back on MythBusters, because that's our shared history and we have so much of it. And then you know, maybe talk to some experts about things like cryogenics, Like let's go talk to a professor that can tell us, if it's possible.

Do you know anything about cryogenics.

Do you know anything about cryogenics.

Look, I'm sixty two years old, though, carry so I know I'm kind of much more interested in cryogenics than I used to be when I was I'm.

Look, I'm sixty two years old, though, carry so I know I'm kind of much more interested in cryogenics than I used to be when I was I'm.

Going to be honest with you, it's like trying to make a cow out of Hamburger's.

Going to be honest with you, it's like trying to make a cow out of Hamburger's.

Yeah, it's not going to work.

Yeah, it's not going to work.

It's not going to work, all right, Well back to philosophy then, so what about the singularity? What about putting the human personality into the machine that the ds X machina. Is that going to happen? Can you get inside the machine? Can humans live as.

It's not going to work, all right, Well back to philosophy then, so what about the singularity? What about putting the human personality into the machine that the ds X machina. Is that going to happen? Can you get inside the machine? Can humans live as.

I am not an expert. I am somebody who likes to talk to experts. I think that we're not going to be able to do that because the mysteries of all the electricity that happens to us and why it happens. I mean, we're just these electrified meat puppets that you know, it's a mystery why we exist.

I am not an expert. I am somebody who likes to talk to experts. I think that we're not going to be able to do that because the mysteries of all the electricity that happens to us and why it happens. I mean, we're just these electrified meat puppets that you know, it's a mystery why we exist.

I don't think that that's going to happen.

I don't think that that's going to happen.

But I am incredibly impressed by what AI is doing.

But I am incredibly impressed by what AI is doing.

And I have a lot of friends.

And I have a lot of friends.

I live in the Silicon Valley and I have a lot of friends in DC and all of the policy I have know. I know people in AI that are you know, the luminaries, and they are hopeful, they are fearful, and they are astounded by how quickly it's developing. And now AI through the Internet. It's not just AI talking to us, it's AI talking to each other. So there's just this whole undercurrent of robots talking to each other, and it's the thinking is getting.

I live in the Silicon Valley and I have a lot of friends in DC and all of the policy I have know. I know people in AI that are you know, the luminaries, and they are hopeful, they are fearful, and they are astounded by how quickly it's developing. And now AI through the Internet. It's not just AI talking to us, it's AI talking to each other. So there's just this whole undercurrent of robots talking to each other, and it's the thinking is getting.

Human can we can we can we conduct surveillance. So in these robots as they talk to each other, presumably they're not keeping secrets.

Human can we can we can we conduct surveillance. So in these robots as they talk to each other, presumably they're not keeping secrets.

No, I don't think they're hiding it. I don't think we would fully understand it, but they. I mean Deep Seek is the latest AI to come out, and really really yeah, I was really interested in this because it shows you it's thinking and how it comes to its conclusions, which is it's a little different and it's so human in the way that it relates. I think that that's what's so interesting to me is that people are trying to make it have humanity so that it can connect with you better, so that you can feed the beasts, so you can give it more material.

No, I don't think they're hiding it. I don't think we would fully understand it, but they. I mean Deep Seek is the latest AI to come out, and really really yeah, I was really interested in this because it shows you it's thinking and how it comes to its conclusions, which is it's a little different and it's so human in the way that it relates. I think that that's what's so interesting to me is that people are trying to make it have humanity so that it can connect with you better, so that you can feed the beasts, so you can give it more material.

It's it's it's.

It's it's it's.

Wildly interesting, but it also only can feed off of what we give it, so right, I do think that humans in their creativity, if you don't put it online, it doesn't have it.

Wildly interesting, but it also only can feed off of what we give it, so right, I do think that humans in their creativity, if you don't put it online, it doesn't have it.

Yeah, or just take the battery out. I mean I always thought that, but terminators.

Yeah, or just take the battery out. I mean I always thought that, but terminators.

Like just don't plug it for God's sake, kill the battery.

Like just don't plug it for God's sake, kill the battery.

Just get the battery over there, or pour some water on it every time you like, drop it in the toilet.

Just get the battery over there, or pour some water on it every time you like, drop it in the toilet.

That's said, that will take care of it.

That's said, that will take care of it.

But the just flush the terminator.

But the just flush the terminator.

Flushinators, take it in the.

Flushinators, take it in the.

Toilet, blush it like an old high school movie.

Toilet, blush it like an old high school movie.

Look look, terminator. What's that that looks like?

Look look, terminator. What's that that looks like?

I think John Connor's and the toilet terminator and then was swirly and you're done.

I think John Connor's and the toilet terminator and then was swirly and you're done.

I think that.

I think that.

I think that there's so much talk about it though the AI have. I mean every conversation I have with everybody right now, at some point, if you talk to anyone for more than ten minutes, you're talking to them about AI.

I think that there's so much talk about it though the AI have. I mean every conversation I have with everybody right now, at some point, if you talk to anyone for more than ten minutes, you're talking to them about AI.

Once you get past you know, the like or whatever.

Once you get past you know, the like or whatever.

And I'm fascinated because most people I talk to are quite afraid of it. But these are the people who don't use it. People who use it are not afraid of it at all. I talked to it, I mean a surgeon who was like, Oh, this is the greatest leap for surgery. This is amazing, this start, I mean, this is just it's changing the game. We're going to be able to save so many more lives with this kind of technology.

And I'm fascinated because most people I talk to are quite afraid of it. But these are the people who don't use it. People who use it are not afraid of it at all. I talked to it, I mean a surgeon who was like, Oh, this is the greatest leap for surgery. This is amazing, this start, I mean, this is just it's changing the game. We're going to be able to save so many more lives with this kind of technology.

I mean, he's really gung o about it. He loved it.

I mean, he's really gung o about it. He loved it.

I mean, it's like any technology that little, you know, iPhone in my hand revolutionize my life. I have so much more connectivity. But it's also something that sucks me into the light. You know.

I mean, it's like any technology that little, you know, iPhone in my hand revolutionize my life. I have so much more connectivity. But it's also something that sucks me into the light. You know.

Yeah, it's time.

Yeah, it's time.

But I mean that's if you're talking to people are afraid. I'm thinking that you're mostly talking to adults who came up without it.

But I mean that's if you're talking to people are afraid. I'm thinking that you're mostly talking to adults who came up without it.

I really have two children, and one of them already is an adult. So yeah, I talked to one child pretty much that's it. He's fourteen, so I mean he's not afraid of that at all. Yeah, of course, right.

I really have two children, and one of them already is an adult. So yeah, I talked to one child pretty much that's it. He's fourteen, so I mean he's not afraid of that at all. Yeah, of course, right.

But I'm so one of you were asking post MythBusters. I am currently the director of the National Stem Festival, which is basically the nation's science fair, right, and a lot of these kids are using AI machine learning in such interesting ways to try to come up with solutions to big challenges around the world. I mean everything from uh, there's this kid Tyler in Connecticut who's come up with a cost effective test that can find iodine deficiencies, and all of the data that comes from that is going to actually create a base for us to understand why millions of people have an iodine deficiency. And he's come up with a two dollars saliva based color metric test that can you know, you can send it in and get results quickly and find out if you have an iodine deficiency.

But I'm so one of you were asking post MythBusters. I am currently the director of the National Stem Festival, which is basically the nation's science fair, right, and a lot of these kids are using AI machine learning in such interesting ways to try to come up with solutions to big challenges around the world. I mean everything from uh, there's this kid Tyler in Connecticut who's come up with a cost effective test that can find iodine deficiencies, and all of the data that comes from that is going to actually create a base for us to understand why millions of people have an iodine deficiency. And he's come up with a two dollars saliva based color metric test that can you know, you can send it in and get results quickly and find out if you have an iodine deficiency.

Well would why would that be important about having an ida in deficiency?

Well would why would that be important about having an ida in deficiency?

What would that do to you if you're an iida in deficiency.

What would that do to you if you're an iida in deficiency.

There's also some sorts of like neurological and physical issues that come from any sort of deficiency. I mean, some of these kids are using it for like last year, there was this one girl who used pictures of eyes and the machine learned to be able to detect if you had anemia. Because anemia is a real problem. It can create all kinds of problems, especially if you're sick and old. And her grandmother had anemeia and it was undiagnosed. So she came up with a way for machine learning to predict anemia through pictures of your eyes.

There's also some sorts of like neurological and physical issues that come from any sort of deficiency. I mean, some of these kids are using it for like last year, there was this one girl who used pictures of eyes and the machine learned to be able to detect if you had anemia. Because anemia is a real problem. It can create all kinds of problems, especially if you're sick and old. And her grandmother had anemeia and it was undiagnosed. So she came up with a way for machine learning to predict anemia through pictures of your eyes.

I mean, that's pretty cool.

I mean, that's pretty cool.

So non invasive kind of testing like that, I mean, and presumably then if you can do it from an eye scan, you can do it from a computer. Because like I'm in Britain right now and they have socialized medicine here, and they're, oh is struggling about trying to get people into offices and having the right amount of people. So I guess if you can test people using machinery so that you know, you can scan the idea of having a medical done by a robot.

So non invasive kind of testing like that, I mean, and presumably then if you can do it from an eye scan, you can do it from a computer. Because like I'm in Britain right now and they have socialized medicine here, and they're, oh is struggling about trying to get people into offices and having the right amount of people. So I guess if you can test people using machinery so that you know, you can scan the idea of having a medical done by a robot.

I quite like that idea, especially the prostate example.

I quite like that idea, especially the prostate example.

I feel like that would probably be if there was a way to do that. Well, it is done digitally, I suppose, but it's a different type of but if there was a way to do it that it was, you know, a little less I don't know, if it was a little more camera ish, I'd be up for that.

I feel like that would probably be if there was a way to do that. Well, it is done digitally, I suppose, but it's a different type of but if there was a way to do it that it was, you know, a little less I don't know, if it was a little more camera ish, I'd be up for that.

Okay, I'll put it out all these genius kids and see if somebody can come up with something.

Okay, I'll put it out all these genius kids and see if somebody can come up with something.

Get your your kiddie think tank going and say, look, I'm feeling like testing is the key.

Get your your kiddie think tank going and say, look, I'm feeling like testing is the key.

Early detection is the key on all of these things, right, So I'm.

Early detection is the key on all of these things, right, So I'm.

Not just talking about that though, I'm sort of like any illness early detection, right, you know, if you know early, you can do something about it. I feel like the development of vaccines seems to kind of go hand in hand with that as well. These kind of weird new vaccines that they're developing, That people are talking about vaccines for cancerous conditions now and stuff like that. You know, I think that's incredible to me that that kind of thinking is going on. Is that Do you see a lot of that in the young people that you talk to, because obviously if you're doing that, that they are embracing the AI in a way that older people just don't or can't.

Not just talking about that though, I'm sort of like any illness early detection, right, you know, if you know early, you can do something about it. I feel like the development of vaccines seems to kind of go hand in hand with that as well. These kind of weird new vaccines that they're developing, That people are talking about vaccines for cancerous conditions now and stuff like that. You know, I think that's incredible to me that that kind of thinking is going on. Is that Do you see a lot of that in the young people that you talk to, because obviously if you're doing that, that they are embracing the AI in a way that older people just don't or can't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean I feel like they're just using it as a tool like any other tool. I mean, they're coming up with apps that find early Parkinson's markers or I mean even in twenty sixteen when I did the White House Science for there was a girl who had figured out a way to diagnose cancer early using computer modeling.

I mean I feel like they're just using it as a tool like any other tool. I mean, they're coming up with apps that find early Parkinson's markers or I mean even in twenty sixteen when I did the White House Science for there was a girl who had figured out a way to diagnose cancer early using computer modeling.

I mean, they've been doing this for a while.

I mean, they've been doing this for a while.

And if you think of it as a tool rather than the evil robot that's coming for your information, it's it's less scary. Yeah.

And if you think of it as a tool rather than the evil robot that's coming for your information, it's it's less scary. Yeah.

I wonder about all that kind of the rule boat want your information now? I mean that do you worry about that? Do you worry about data harvest thing in your own life?

I wonder about all that kind of the rule boat want your information now? I mean that do you worry about that? Do you worry about data harvest thing in your own life?

You do?

You do?

You have firewalls put up? I mean your computer savy, you know how to do all that.

You have firewalls put up? I mean your computer savy, you know how to do all that.

I do my best, but honestly, I think it has it all anyway, because I'm also somebody who's shops online.

I do my best, but honestly, I think it has it all anyway, because I'm also somebody who's shops online.

Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I mean, if one, if one piece of the machinery has it, it all has it? You go in a store to buy a pack of gum or something, They'll say, can we have your email address? Like you have it? You have it, Just let me scan my card and it will come up. You already have all that information. It's interesting to me, though, because I think of you. Last time I saw you in San Francisco when you came. I was doing a show and you came and you had turned up in one of those self driving cabs, which I still haven't done yet.

I mean, if one, if one piece of the machinery has it, it all has it? You go in a store to buy a pack of gum or something, They'll say, can we have your email address? Like you have it? You have it, Just let me scan my card and it will come up. You already have all that information. It's interesting to me, though, because I think of you. Last time I saw you in San Francisco when you came. I was doing a show and you came and you had turned up in one of those self driving cabs, which I still haven't done yet.

Is that freaky? Do you kind of okay with it?

Is that freaky? Do you kind of okay with it?

Okay?

Okay?

I granted I have been here in a beta testing city for Waimo for Cruise for Zookes for years now, so I was in some of the early prototypes of Waimo way back in the day, and I was part of the test program. I signed up immediately to try these because I'm a super curious person and I just I wanted to know more. So I interviewed and talked to all kinds of people that made the cars, and we're creating them. And you know, they hire hackers and they hire all sorts of people to try to to muck it up, to see if they can actually throw the cars off track. But the last time I got into a rideshare vehicle, I had a driver that had a movie going on over here. I was talking on a phone here, had me in the back seat. I was driving a little bit crazy. Right.

I granted I have been here in a beta testing city for Waimo for Cruise for Zookes for years now, so I was in some of the early prototypes of Waimo way back in the day, and I was part of the test program. I signed up immediately to try these because I'm a super curious person and I just I wanted to know more. So I interviewed and talked to all kinds of people that made the cars, and we're creating them. And you know, they hire hackers and they hire all sorts of people to try to to muck it up, to see if they can actually throw the cars off track. But the last time I got into a rideshare vehicle, I had a driver that had a movie going on over here. I was talking on a phone here, had me in the back seat. I was driving a little bit crazy. Right.

Yeah, I'm not going to say that that's the rule, but you.

Yeah, I'm not going to say that that's the rule, but you.

It happens when you look at me.

It happens when you look at me.

Yeah, when you look at the robot car, it's got over sixty cameras light our radar. It has a three sixty view going on that you can actually see, which, by the way, they only put that up for you to see.

Yeah, when you look at the robot car, it's got over sixty cameras light our radar. It has a three sixty view going on that you can actually see, which, by the way, they only put that up for you to see.

The car doesn't need it.

The car doesn't need it.

It just wants to show you, Like I can see that cat running out into the street. I can see that bicyclist over there. It's not going to hit anything if it can help it, Like it's it's paying so much more attention. It doesn't have to worry about fog or rain or night like a lot of people can't see it at night as well. The robo can like, it's got the instrumentation, it has to follow the laws.

It just wants to show you, Like I can see that cat running out into the street. I can see that bicyclist over there. It's not going to hit anything if it can help it, Like it's it's paying so much more attention. It doesn't have to worry about fog or rain or night like a lot of people can't see it at night as well. The robo can like, it's got the instrumentation, it has to follow the laws.

It's for example, like say like.

It's for example, like say like.

A person wanders out enter the road, and the option the car has is to either hit the person or drive off the road and hurt you.

A person wanders out enter the road, and the option the car has is to either hit the person or drive off the road and hurt you.

What does it choose?

What does it choose?

Okay, it doesn't have the morals to make those decisions. But I don't know that I can answer this with any expertise, because I think you have to ask them on this one, right, Okay. I do know that it's going to try to avoid conflict altogether and stop. I don't think that there is a well I can relate to exactly.

Okay, it doesn't have the morals to make those decisions. But I don't know that I can answer this with any expertise, because I think you have to ask them on this one, right, Okay. I do know that it's going to try to avoid conflict altogether and stop. I don't think that there is a well I can relate to exactly.

I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'm fine, I'm fine if it's okay.

I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'm fine, I'm fine if it's okay.

I mean, what would you do if your choice was to run into this person or that person? Like you're going through the calculations of how to get out of it. I'm pretty sure that the robot has it because it's AI machine learning constantly and it's been training in places like San Francisco is a place to drive roads all over There's there's there's things everywhere like yeah, people on the streets. I mean, you couldn't throw it in a more chaotic situation, so it is learned, like how to maybe go this way and avoid everything.

I mean, what would you do if your choice was to run into this person or that person? Like you're going through the calculations of how to get out of it. I'm pretty sure that the robot has it because it's AI machine learning constantly and it's been training in places like San Francisco is a place to drive roads all over There's there's there's things everywhere like yeah, people on the streets. I mean, you couldn't throw it in a more chaotic situation, so it is learned, like how to maybe go this way and avoid everything.

I rented a Tesla truck in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago. I was doing a show there and and Tamas and I rented a test split truck and we put it in self drive to take us around.

I rented a Tesla truck in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago. I was doing a show there and and Tamas and I rented a test split truck and we put it in self drive to take us around.

And it was freaky, and.

And it was freaky, and.

At one point I I intervened because I thought it was going to hit a car, and it was. There was some debate between Tomas and I to master thought it was going to hit the car.

At one point I I intervened because I thought it was going to hit a car, and it was. There was some debate between Tomas and I to master thought it was going to hit the car.

I thought it was going to hit the car.

I thought it was going to hit the car.

But then I thought I should have given it the chance to not hit the car, but I just didn't. But I want, I mean, you're right about you know, the distractedness of drivers, like you know, human drivers, people texting people on their phones, people you know, doing stuff.

But then I thought I should have given it the chance to not hit the car, but I just didn't. But I want, I mean, you're right about you know, the distractedness of drivers, like you know, human drivers, people texting people on their phones, people you know, doing stuff.

It probably is a better driver.

It probably is a better driver.

Right, And but where am I going to get if I'm in a taxi but it doesn't have an actual driver? Where do you do I get my racist opinions from I would be able to get my racist opinions from a cab driver?

Right, And but where am I going to get if I'm in a taxi but it doesn't have an actual driver? Where do you do I get my racist opinions from I would be able to get my racist opinions from a cab driver?

Where will I get them?

Where will I get them?

If only there's still the Internet in your hand, you can TikTok that if.

If only there's still the Internet in your hand, you can TikTok that if.

You like, I'll be able to get my ras from other places.

You like, I'll be able to get my ras from other places.

Yeah, there's plenty. There's plenty, there's.

Yeah, there's plenty. There's plenty, there's.

Been, there is plenty. But I feel like it is an interesting thing. How do you use it in your life?

Been, there is plenty. But I feel like it is an interesting thing. How do you use it in your life?

Now? Would you use it for AR? Do you use it for R? Is that?

Now? Would you use it for AR? Do you use it for R? Is that?

Well? Like you, if you're creating a sculpture, would you take the would you would you bring in an it? Would you get AI to help you conceptualize it or or or maybe even make models for you?

Well? Like you, if you're creating a sculpture, would you take the would you would you bring in an it? Would you get AI to help you conceptualize it or or or maybe even make models for you?

No?

No?

I mean for me, all our work is for me to go through some sort of journey of curiosity. So I don't need any I don't need any assistant. But what I do use AI for is when I don't understand something. And okay, so National STEM Festival right right? These kids, we find kids from every state and territory. We try to find a representation from all over the country. So it's going to be the best of the best kids. Okay, some of their projects, when I'm when I'm reading the champions, I don't understand them. They are so complex. I have literally taken the text from one of their projects and put it through AI and said, can you explain this as if I am a twelve year old. Oh wow, it will explain the science of their project to me so that I can understand it.