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And they're very funny, they're very interesting people.

And they're very funny, they're very interesting people.

Andrew Rivers and Khalia McNeil enjoy.

Andrew Rivers and Khalia McNeil enjoy.

So let's just before we start.

So let's just before we start.

I do want to just reiterate because I did just say this before we started that as I look at the two of you right now, and I think I think you might have said it first for Buddy Cop movie. All right, you are a professional officer that has been forced into the situation of taking on a partner who is a well connected, you know, loser, try.

I do want to just reiterate because I did just say this before we started that as I look at the two of you right now, and I think I think you might have said it first for Buddy Cop movie. All right, you are a professional officer that has been forced into the situation of taking on a partner who is a well connected, you know, loser, try.

To clean it up the second time.

To clean it up the second time.

I think loser is fine, but I realized when I said loser that it might I thought you were a loser, and that is not what I'm thinking. And also I may have impliedately that you were a professional and I wasn't couldn't be further from this, So I don't want to to start stereotyping you guys right from the get go. I just what the reason why I asked you both here to get out of this. You're both young comics, you're both comers. In my opinion, you're both at the beginning of what I predict is big careers. You're both very similar and not in the way that you do the stuff or even what you talk about. But I noticed with both of you you're both anecdotal comedians, and I like that. You're both kind of old school, but you're young comedians, and so I wanted to talk to you and get the vibe and get the feeling and get to know what the young folks are talking about.

I think loser is fine, but I realized when I said loser that it might I thought you were a loser, and that is not what I'm thinking. And also I may have impliedately that you were a professional and I wasn't couldn't be further from this, So I don't want to to start stereotyping you guys right from the get go. I just what the reason why I asked you both here to get out of this. You're both young comics, you're both comers. In my opinion, you're both at the beginning of what I predict is big careers. You're both very similar and not in the way that you do the stuff or even what you talk about. But I noticed with both of you you're both anecdotal comedians, and I like that. You're both kind of old school, but you're young comedians, and so I wanted to talk to you and get the vibe and get the feeling and get to know what the young folks are talking about.

But fart Craig needs to stand up lessons. Actually, he's like that the career has passed me by got you. We're gonna get you.

But fart Craig needs to stand up lessons. Actually, he's like that the career has passed me by got you. We're gonna get you.

We're gonna get you in a supreme outfit, you know.

We're gonna get you in a supreme outfit, you know.

And do you think do you think is that a thing? Is there a look that you have to go for? Like in your special? Right, you look very cool.

And do you think do you think is that a thing? Is there a look that you have to go for? Like in your special? Right, you look very cool.

I think that's part of me being old school. Though.

I think that's part of me being old school. Though.

When I if it's something like a special or something that's being filmed like that, I deem serious. I'm going to put a little something on. I'm gonna have some slacks on. I'm gonna, you know, put a suit on if I can. I just think that's classy. But I also understand, you know, you know your you know your style. Your style matches you sometimes. And when I I love watching a laid back special and dude looks like he's chilling, but his jokes are also like.

When I if it's something like a special or something that's being filmed like that, I deem serious. I'm going to put a little something on. I'm gonna have some slacks on. I'm gonna, you know, put a suit on if I can. I just think that's classy. But I also understand, you know, you know your you know your style. Your style matches you sometimes. And when I I love watching a laid back special and dude looks like he's chilling, but his jokes are also like.

You you know very much.

You you know very much.

Enjoy Andrew's work because that's what he's wearing right now.

Enjoy Andrew's work because that's what he's wearing right now.

I feel like I've seen you do stand up. I just go on stage with what I wore. That day. Yeah.

I feel like I've seen you do stand up. I just go on stage with what I wore. That day. Yeah.

I actually got a comment on like my Instagram the other day it was like comedians used to dress proper whatever, you know.

I actually got a comment on like my Instagram the other day it was like comedians used to dress proper whatever, you know.

That's actually that was me. Yeah yeah, I was like, come on, you wear a tie? Yeah, that's not funny. Real comedian wears a tie?

That's actually that was me. Yeah yeah, I was like, come on, you wear a tie? Yeah, that's not funny. Real comedian wears a tie?

Do you know what that?

Do you know what that?

I remember? I used to get a little when I was a young coming when I swore. People would say a real comedian doesn't have to swear?

I remember? I used to get a little when I was a young coming when I swore. People would say a real comedian doesn't have to swear?

Do you do?

Do you do?

They still come after you for the swears. My mom yeah, my mom says that.

They still come after you for the swears. My mom yeah, my mom says that.

She's like, you know it was it was nice, but you know, Sindbad didn't go, and I'm like, all right, shit's crazy.

She's like, you know it was it was nice, but you know, Sindbad didn't go, and I'm like, all right, shit's crazy.

Now, Yeah, Richard Pryor did, though, I mean he did Carson and I no I cast now expressions on Sinbad.

Now, Yeah, Richard Pryor did, though, I mean he did Carson and I no I cast now expressions on Sinbad.

He's a fine performer and a lovely man.

He's a fine performer and a lovely man.

But in the Hall of Fame of stand ups, Richard Pryor Sindbad, I think even Sindbad would be like, I think Richard probably.

But in the Hall of Fame of stand ups, Richard Pryor Sindbad, I think even Sindbad would be like, I think Richard probably.

Edges me a little bet, Yeah, you cuss.

Edges me a little bet, Yeah, you cuss.

A little bit and your Yeah, I think they They used to say that about political comedians too, And then it's like, well, Carlin had a fine career you know. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you don't need permission to make art. So it's like those people, you know, like, this is what I'm doing and it should make me happy first, and then the world is big enough now for you to find your own audience.

A little bit and your Yeah, I think they They used to say that about political comedians too, And then it's like, well, Carlin had a fine career you know. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you don't need permission to make art. So it's like those people, you know, like, this is what I'm doing and it should make me happy first, and then the world is big enough now for you to find your own audience.

I think that's that's quite interesting because you guys are coming of age and coming and you know, making your bones at a time when comedy is is more. Uh, I'm not going to say it's under the micro school more, but it kind of ends a little bit.

I think that's that's quite interesting because you guys are coming of age and coming and you know, making your bones at a time when comedy is is more. Uh, I'm not going to say it's under the micro school more, but it kind of ends a little bit.

I think there's like a boom of it for sure, but then yeah, more attention causes more scrutiny causes.

I think there's like a boom of it for sure, but then yeah, more attention causes more scrutiny causes.

Do you find that your audiences kind of find you? I mean like, do you get a black gay audience? Do you get you know, stone or audience.

Do you find that your audiences kind of find you? I mean like, do you get a black gay audience? Do you get you know, stone or audience.

It's funny that you say that is I've recently finally started noticing that very thing because it was you know, I've for a few years now kind of been on the road, and you know, you have great shows, you have shows that sell very well, but it's also like, you know, did this show sell really well because you know, it's a Friday night in Connecticut or were they really coming to see you know me specifically or is this just what they wanted to do tonight and.

It's funny that you say that is I've recently finally started noticing that very thing because it was you know, I've for a few years now kind of been on the road, and you know, you have great shows, you have shows that sell very well, but it's also like, you know, did this show sell really well because you know, it's a Friday night in Connecticut or were they really coming to see you know me specifically or is this just what they wanted to do tonight and.

Whatever?

Whatever?

And but no, recently, I had a show in January. I did a weekend at this comedy club in New Orleans called Comedy House Nola. And I never I've been to New Orleans to do like Thebakri, but I've never performed in New Orleans, right, and so first time performing, I'm like, you know, what's it going to be?

And but no, recently, I had a show in January. I did a weekend at this comedy club in New Orleans called Comedy House Nola. And I never I've been to New Orleans to do like Thebakri, but I've never performed in New Orleans, right, and so first time performing, I'm like, you know, what's it going to be?

Like?

Like?

You know, I'm doing my promos as much as I can, so on, so forth. And it hit me when I was on stage, like I'm looking at the crowd and I'm looking at people who look like me, and it was just one of those feelings like I knew for a fact like they you know, either saw my flyer, saw my clips or saw matter or whatever, and we're like, you know what, we're comfortable going to see that, you know, going to see her. And yeah, So from that point, I'm starting to pay attention and seeing a little bit more of that now and it feels great.

You know, I'm doing my promos as much as I can, so on, so forth. And it hit me when I was on stage, like I'm looking at the crowd and I'm looking at people who look like me, and it was just one of those feelings like I knew for a fact like they you know, either saw my flyer, saw my clips or saw matter or whatever, and we're like, you know what, we're comfortable going to see that, you know, going to see her. And yeah, So from that point, I'm starting to pay attention and seeing a little bit more of that now and it feels great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was going to say, does it feel good?

I was going to say, does it feel good?

Or does it I mean, cause like I'm a white guy, I'm used to see an audience.

Or does it I mean, cause like I'm a white guy, I'm used to see an audience.

Just look like man.

Just look like man.

But but it's but I like to see people that don't live. In fact, I'm looking for people that don't look like me and my audience. I kind of I kind of like that. But I suppose the numbers are are different percentage wise anyway, right.

But but it's but I like to see people that don't live. In fact, I'm looking for people that don't look like me and my audience. I kind of I kind of like that. But I suppose the numbers are are different percentage wise anyway, right.

I mean it's it's kind of a little bit of both. It feels good, but at the same time, it's just just me personally. It's like, I grew up in Fairfield, California. I grew up right outside of Napa, about twenty five minutes from San Francisco, So I grew up around everyone, right, so when I you know, most of the shows I do are for everyone if you get my drink, of course. But I just I guess you can say now, it's like I'm just starting to see an influx.

I mean it's it's kind of a little bit of both. It feels good, but at the same time, it's just just me personally. It's like, I grew up in Fairfield, California. I grew up right outside of Napa, about twenty five minutes from San Francisco, So I grew up around everyone, right, so when I you know, most of the shows I do are for everyone if you get my drink, of course. But I just I guess you can say now, it's like I'm just starting to see an influx.

Of and you are not doing chromic, so you're going to talk about your own life experience just like you do.

Of and you are not doing chromic, so you're going to talk about your own life experience just like you do.

Andrew.

Andrew.

It's like you, you talk about what's happened to you. It's why I'm interested in you both. You're not you do jokes, but you're not joke merchants. You're not you're not gag merchants, which I think right now, that's where the big money is. I got to tell you, I think right now is gag merchants that that's switching it up? Well, it's I don't know, though, I don't think you can. This is why I think you're both here because like me, you really can't do anything else. But it's a slow burn, you know. I think I think they got to get to know phase off. You know, it's it's getting there.

It's like you, you talk about what's happened to you. It's why I'm interested in you both. You're not you do jokes, but you're not joke merchants. You're not you're not gag merchants, which I think right now, that's where the big money is. I got to tell you, I think right now is gag merchants that that's switching it up? Well, it's I don't know, though, I don't think you can. This is why I think you're both here because like me, you really can't do anything else. But it's a slow burn, you know. I think I think they got to get to know phase off. You know, it's it's getting there.

I think with the way you guys have to do it now.

I think with the way you guys have to do it now.

It's a lot of social media involved, right and you do you you have your own Instagrams and tiktoks and all that stuff, and are you aware like do you put together I better do a minute on Is that too much on TikTok?

It's a lot of social media involved, right and you do you you have your own Instagrams and tiktoks and all that stuff, and are you aware like do you put together I better do a minute on Is that too much on TikTok?

I don't know?

I don't know?

Forty five seconds? Like I have to do a joke today? Is that a thing?

Forty five seconds? Like I have to do a joke today? Is that a thing?

Yeah, I mean it's part of growing your brand and those things, you know. I think of the clips as like almost like a quarter in a slot machine, where it's like, if one of those things pops off and gets twenty million views, then your whole life could change.

Yeah, I mean it's part of growing your brand and those things, you know. I think of the clips as like almost like a quarter in a slot machine, where it's like, if one of those things pops off and gets twenty million views, then your whole life could change.

Is that true? Yeah? Does that really work like that?

Is that true? Yeah? Does that really work like that?

I mean I know two people personally that it's happened to two of the biggest arguably the biggest names in comedy right now, Matt Ryf and Morgan Jay. Yeah, like literally, Like I mean the Netflix Festival two years ago, Matt and I did a show.

I mean I know two people personally that it's happened to two of the biggest arguably the biggest names in comedy right now, Matt Ryf and Morgan Jay. Yeah, like literally, Like I mean the Netflix Festival two years ago, Matt and I did a show.

Could not fill the Bourbon Room. He just sold out the Hollywood Bowl. That's amazing. From a crowd work clip, you know.

Could not fill the Bourbon Room. He just sold out the Hollywood Bowl. That's amazing. From a crowd work clip, you know.

What I mean.

What I mean.

Now he's he's he was extreme in his handsome face.

Now he's he's he was extreme in his handsome face.

Well yeah, but there's a lot of really cute guys, you know at a bar show, right, That's true.

Well yeah, but there's a lot of really cute guys, you know at a bar show, right, That's true.

It was one of them.

It was one of them.

Well see that's the thing you guys go, I just find out as you go here you actually did a show together, that's right.

Well see that's the thing you guys go, I just find out as you go here you actually did a show together, that's right.

Yeah, we did a show up in ever Itt, Everett, washing Classy.

Yeah, we did a show up in ever Itt, Everett, washing Classy.

Yeah. It's called The Dope Show.

Yeah. It's called The Dope Show.

So the premise is that comedians they do a set and then they take a smoke break and then they come back stoned and it's hydrinks. But really it's like, oh, comedians performing like they normally just higher. Yeah yeah, because I was gonna say, but the audience is in on the bit, so you can get you have permission to get a little loose or go down a weird riff rabbit hole that doesn't always end well.

So the premise is that comedians they do a set and then they take a smoke break and then they come back stoned and it's hydrinks. But really it's like, oh, comedians performing like they normally just higher. Yeah yeah, because I was gonna say, but the audience is in on the bit, so you can get you have permission to get a little loose or go down a weird riff rabbit hole that doesn't always end well.

Or what I'm saying is that the audience may also be high. Yeah, so it's basically a marijuana Okay, that's fine.

Or what I'm saying is that the audience may also be high. Yeah, so it's basically a marijuana Okay, that's fine.

The hard part is staying sober until the first set I think, and I think you I just always forget a joint. I'm like, oh shit, okay, I'm supposed to be sober later or present a sober Yeah.

The hard part is staying sober until the first set I think, and I think you I just always forget a joint. I'm like, oh shit, okay, I'm supposed to be sober later or present a sober Yeah.

I see.

I see.

It's funny marijuana, which I mean, you're both very comfortable with it. I was funny, uncomfortable with marijuana, admit me, paranoid and sad.

It's funny marijuana, which I mean, you're both very comfortable with it. I was funny, uncomfortable with marijuana, admit me, paranoid and sad.

We just got to get you the right strength.

We just got to get you the right strength.

No, everybody said that.

No, everybody said that.

He got you. No. No, that's what happened to me.

He got you. No. No, that's what happened to me.

When I was talking to a gay friend about when I tried, like, I tried being gay and I did a gay thing with me and another man and we did a gay and I said, after it, you know when when the penis, when the penis comes to your face, I said, it's it's not for me. Yeah, that's what happened. When I did a straight I said, you know what, I don't like it. Well, no, I get it, but so it's kind of the same. It's the penis comes out here, You're like, no, for me, thank you. But do they do that with coke too, where it's like, yeah, I just don't really like it. No, you just got to try my coke, you know.

When I was talking to a gay friend about when I tried, like, I tried being gay and I did a gay thing with me and another man and we did a gay and I said, after it, you know when when the penis, when the penis comes to your face, I said, it's it's not for me. Yeah, that's what happened. When I did a straight I said, you know what, I don't like it. Well, no, I get it, but so it's kind of the same. It's the penis comes out here, You're like, no, for me, thank you. But do they do that with coke too, where it's like, yeah, I just don't really like it. No, you just got to try my coke, you know.

No, they don't. They don't want to give away cat That's what I remember.

No, they don't. They don't want to give away cat That's what I remember.

But I discussed my friend of mine who's a gay man. He said it was just the wrong penis. And I'm like, was it though? Because they are kind of you know, they vary a little bit, but not enough for me to go, you know. And I think marijuana is the same. It fairies a bit, but not enough. Okay, you know so, but when does it wear off? By the way, am I am?

But I discussed my friend of mine who's a gay man. He said it was just the wrong penis. And I'm like, was it though? Because they are kind of you know, they vary a little bit, but not enough for me to go, you know. And I think marijuana is the same. It fairies a bit, but not enough. Okay, you know so, but when does it wear off? By the way, am I am?

I not? Uh?

I not? Uh?

I mean, I hate to say I smoke often, so I'm.

I mean, I hate to say I smoke often, so I'm.

No, I'm not talking. I'm not talking right now. I'm not talking about marijuana. I'm talking about the gay. When does the gay wear often?

No, I'm not talking. I'm not talking right now. I'm not talking about marijuana. I'm talking about the gay. When does the gay wear often?

How long ago was that? It was about thirty years ago? Year thirty five? Okay, when you go to the beach, yes, what do you wear?

How long ago was that? It was about thirty years ago? Year thirty five? Okay, when you go to the beach, yes, what do you wear?

A suit? Long sleeves.

A suit? Long sleeves.

Maybe if it's very hot, an open toed esper drill, But that's it.

Maybe if it's very hot, an open toed esper drill, But that's it.

He opens a bottle and a sweatshirt. No, why why? Why would that?

He opens a bottle and a sweatshirt. No, why why? Why would that?

Like as Speedos, it makes a European which also is gay.

Like as Speedos, it makes a European which also is gay.

Right, I wouldn't wear Speedos though, Okay, I think just because I'm uncomfortable with speed So handsome?

Right, I wouldn't wear Speedos though, Okay, I think just because I'm uncomfortable with speed So handsome?

Do you think the Rock is? Oh? Very handsome?

Do you think the Rock is? Oh? Very handsome?

Indeed very Actually, you know, when I think about it, maybe I would be willing to give.

Indeed very Actually, you know, when I think about it, maybe I would be willing to give.

That might be the one, that might be the one. You know, you have a gay checklist. You're smoking again?

That might be the one, that might be the one. You know, you have a gay checklist. You're smoking again?

Yeah, I'm kind of you know what I think about it? Maybe it didn't wear all. You know, he was on the late night show The Rock, and I was like, god, you are did you get to like feelhim up?

Yeah, I'm kind of you know what I think about it? Maybe it didn't wear all. You know, he was on the late night show The Rock, and I was like, god, you are did you get to like feelhim up?

Or no? I don't feel him up?

Or no? I don't feel him up?

But he's the Rock, you know, by like, I was appreciative of the beauty of the human.

But he's the Rock, you know, by like, I was appreciative of the beauty of the human.

He was gorgeous man, he really is, no doubt about it. But he wasn't high. So you high right now?

He was gorgeous man, he really is, no doubt about it. But he wasn't high. So you high right now?

Then?

Then?

Did you smoke?

Did you smoke?

Only because this is our first meeting and because I listened to your last episode where I heard you say you don't do drugs.

Only because this is our first meeting and because I listened to your last episode where I heard you say you don't do drugs.

I am not high.

I am not high.

Well, I don't want you to not do drugs because I don't work. As soon as I leave here. Yeah, but also and also Andrew in no way observed that rule.

Well, I don't want you to not do drugs because I don't work. As soon as I leave here. Yeah, but also and also Andrew in no way observed that rule.

Well, this isn't the first impression. Well is that true? I mean, have you smoked today or no?

Well, this isn't the first impression. Well is that true? I mean, have you smoked today or no?

I haven't smoked in a couple of days. So am so sorry, thank you. I feel how dare you judge and stereotype based on previous knowledge and conversation.

I haven't smoked in a couple of days. So am so sorry, thank you. I feel how dare you judge and stereotype based on previous knowledge and conversation.

Based on everything, everything that we met at a weed.

Based on everything, everything that we met at a weed.

Show and then yeah, and then you had your intern research me.

Show and then yeah, and then you had your intern research me.

Wait a minute, you guys are turning it around on me. I don't quite know where I am now. Is that is that a drug that you're comfort I mean, clearly, it is a drug you're comfortable performing with.

Wait a minute, you guys are turning it around on me. I don't quite know where I am now. Is that is that a drug that you're comfort I mean, clearly, it is a drug you're comfortable performing with.

I used to drink, and that used to get in the way. I couldn't really do it.

I used to drink, and that used to get in the way. I couldn't really do it.

It's kind of for me at least, it's it's almost a little bit of the routine. It's part of my pre show prep. I actually can't have a drink before I go on stage.

It's kind of for me at least, it's it's almost a little bit of the routine. It's part of my pre show prep. I actually can't have a drink before I go on stage.

I don't drink.

I don't drink.

I don't have a drink it so I get off stage and it's not like I'm, you know, blowing blunts to the face. I take a couple of puffs of the joint and there is there.

I don't have a drink it so I get off stage and it's not like I'm, you know, blowing blunts to the face. I take a couple of puffs of the joint and there is there.

Like a Chappelle ish comic that like smokes a joint during the set.

Like a Chappelle ish comic that like smokes a joint during the set.

There should be there should be I think I think Dave Chappelle might be one of those guys. Actually, this day he smokes a cigarette, smokes a cigarette of vapes. Maybe he's got that kind of little fay. Yeah, can you vape marijuana? I'm sorry for it. Yeah, we can teach you. Papa, no, Papa, No, I am papa. No, I'm be doing Papa. I am Papa. Like Papa's got the drug. I didn't like the vape pen because it was too easy.

There should be there should be I think I think Dave Chappelle might be one of those guys. Actually, this day he smokes a cigarette, smokes a cigarette of vapes. Maybe he's got that kind of little fay. Yeah, can you vape marijuana? I'm sorry for it. Yeah, we can teach you. Papa, no, Papa, No, I am papa. No, I'm be doing Papa. I am Papa. Like Papa's got the drug. I didn't like the vape pen because it was too easy.

Like, I feel like there should be shame involved in You shouldn't be able to puff a cloud of vapor and disappear like Batman and be like I know evidence.

Like, I feel like there should be shame involved in You shouldn't be able to puff a cloud of vapor and disappear like Batman and be like I know evidence.

You know what.

You know what.

Shame is a much underappreciated quality in society.

Shame is a much underappreciated quality in society.

There's enough of it.

There's enough of it.

It's going away, and we need to bring a little bad. Everybody is too positive. I was, I was raising up those high schoolers, well you know I was. I was raised with a certain amount of shame, and I feel like, actually, you Tube must have had it too, probably, yeah, because you don't become a stand up unless you have some right some shame, so some bad and my my wife says that all stand ups are the same mom cold with bad boundaries.

It's going away, and we need to bring a little bad. Everybody is too positive. I was, I was raising up those high schoolers, well you know I was. I was raised with a certain amount of shame, and I feel like, actually, you Tube must have had it too, probably, yeah, because you don't become a stand up unless you have some right some shame, so some bad and my my wife says that all stand ups are the same mom cold with bad boundaries.

Does that sound and it way familiar? Maybe she's just saying it, but my mom.

Does that sound and it way familiar? Maybe she's just saying it, but my mom.

I think she's finding a way to talk about your mom without talking.

I think she's finding a way to talk about your mom without talking.

To Look, she's not lying about my mom. But I mean my mom was.

To Look, she's not lying about my mom. But I mean my mom was.

She's a lovely lady, but she I mean it was definitely a strict household, that's for sure.

She's a lovely lady, but she I mean it was definitely a strict household, that's for sure.

Yeah, my mom was the enforcer. I mean, my dad was the creative. Your dad was in Yeah, so her job was to make sure he sobered up eventually, you know. So she did all the business and all the and he was like, I'm gonna write wacky songs, right see.

Yeah, my mom was the enforcer. I mean, my dad was the creative. Your dad was in Yeah, so her job was to make sure he sobered up eventually, you know. So she did all the business and all the and he was like, I'm gonna write wacky songs, right see.

No, my mom was a correctional counselor, okay. And my dad friend to your mom. And I've never even met your mom.

No, my mom was a correctional counselor, okay. And my dad friend to your mom. And I've never even met your mom.

And my dad, once he retired from paroles, became a preacher. Oh no, I wish I had the show dad, that would be cool.

And my dad, once he retired from paroles, became a preacher. Oh no, I wish I had the show dad, that would be cool.

Well, I don't know, I mean they both kind of like my dad was worked in the post office. I don't know why I even ended up with a stand up, but it sounds fairly okay, compared to the trauma. But you guys like show business or past are you are you still religious?

Well, I don't know, I mean they both kind of like my dad was worked in the post office. I don't know why I even ended up with a stand up, but it sounds fairly okay, compared to the trauma. But you guys like show business or past are you are you still religious?

It's there, you know what I mean.

It's there, you know what I mean.

I'm not going to church every Sunday or anything like that, but I'm not also anti. You know, when I'm home for the holidays, when I'm home, I'm going to church on Sunday with the family.

I'm not going to church every Sunday or anything like that, but I'm not also anti. You know, when I'm home for the holidays, when I'm home, I'm going to church on Sunday with the family.

And you know some of the preachers.

And you know some of the preachers.

You know, Sam Kennison was a preacher by yeah, Sam Kennison used to he was way back before he gets Do you guys know who I'm talking about, because it's a long time ago. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam was impression just remembered. Oh yeah, the U. But he was a very aggressive is the wrong word, but very like a fiery fiery stand yes. And he was a preacher when he started a lot the preacher, the style of preaching in churches can be.

You know, Sam Kennison was a preacher by yeah, Sam Kennison used to he was way back before he gets Do you guys know who I'm talking about, because it's a long time ago. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam was impression just remembered. Oh yeah, the U. But he was a very aggressive is the wrong word, but very like a fiery fiery stand yes. And he was a preacher when he started a lot the preacher, the style of preaching in churches can be.

Well, he wanted to be he wanted to tell more truth in stand up.

Well, he wanted to be he wanted to tell more truth in stand up.

I think, how I I know a stand up just stopped to be a preacher.

I think, how I I know a stand up just stopped to be a preacher.

Who's his name is Aaron All Yeah, and he's he's moved to Florida, So I don't know if we'll ever hear from him again.

Who's his name is Aaron All Yeah, and he's he's moved to Florida, So I don't know if we'll ever hear from him again.

Well you moved to Florida, become appreciate you make a lot more money than even maybe in a stand up Yeah. It's funny how that because the tradition of where I'm from, preachers you know, they don't you you don't you're not looking for a show.

Well you moved to Florida, become appreciate you make a lot more money than even maybe in a stand up Yeah. It's funny how that because the tradition of where I'm from, preachers you know, they don't you you don't you're not looking for a show.

In a Scottish Protestant chart, it's like.

In a Scottish Protestant chart, it's like.

You out bad Jesus is coming to get you.

You out bad Jesus is coming to get you.

Look out that guilt driven yeah kind of yeah, a little. And we have the choicen ones.

Look out that guilt driven yeah kind of yeah, a little. And we have the choicen ones.

Yeah, well Black Baptist church, lots of singing, lots of clapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little it's a it's a three hour event. You gotta you gotta ration it because usually had a Black church will have two services a day. They'll have like an eight o'clock and a ten thirty or an eleven o'clock. You want to go to that eight o'clock because you know there there has to be an end.

Yeah, well Black Baptist church, lots of singing, lots of clapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little it's a it's a three hour event. You gotta you gotta ration it because usually had a Black church will have two services a day. They'll have like an eight o'clock and a ten thirty or an eleven o'clock. You want to go to that eight o'clock because you know there there has to be an end.

Time, right, it's like to finish it at some point.

Time, right, it's like to finish it at some point.

Second serve is the only time there is an end time is on Super Bowl Sunday.

Second serve is the only time there is an end time is on Super Bowl Sunday.

Wow. See that's a that's a lot of chart for me.

Wow. See that's a that's a lot of chart for me.

I don't know if I could do that, Like I'm I'm in and out in half an hour if anything.

I don't know if I could do that, Like I'm I'm in and out in half an hour if anything.

I mean these days not at all. But when I was, I.

I mean these days not at all. But when I was, I.

Can't do your confession's got to take at least three hours.

Can't do your confession's got to take at least three hours.

I don't. We don't do confessioning.

I don't. We don't do confessioning.

My confession is like, well with that parking spot it.

My confession is like, well with that parking spot it.

Well, you'll go to hell for the nextra five hundred years and that'll be it. But what about.

Well, you'll go to hell for the nextra five hundred years and that'll be it. But what about.

The idea of ambition and rival because like when I was a young stand up, things were quite aggressive. Between stand ups, it was quite better and quite jealous. No, I don't want to lead the witness, but I kind of feel like your generation is a little more collegiate and a little more collaborative.

The idea of ambition and rival because like when I was a young stand up, things were quite aggressive. Between stand ups, it was quite better and quite jealous. No, I don't want to lead the witness, but I kind of feel like your generation is a little more collegiate and a little more collaborative.

I think because most of our we don't need a network anymore, you know, so we're not fighting for fifty two spots on the tonight show. We're fighting for Instagram reels or whatever. So I would say more.

I think because most of our we don't need a network anymore, you know, so we're not fighting for fifty two spots on the tonight show. We're fighting for Instagram reels or whatever. So I would say more.

Collaborative, Yeah, I think to It depends on your scene.

Collaborative, Yeah, I think to It depends on your scene.

Sure, I'm based in LA you have just a lot of nasty nights, so.

Sure, I'm based in LA you have just a lot of nasty nights, so.

Yeah, no one's fighting for the Tacoma Spotsy.

Yeah, no one's fighting for the Tacoma Spotsy.

Like, I'll go other places and I'm like, oh this is pleasant. Everyone was quite pleasant tonight like it's not you know, it's just yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say rivalries, but you know, you have people that get quite upset when like, you don't have a million followers, Well, then how did you get to the that was like, well, I'm like funny for.

Like, I'll go other places and I'm like, oh this is pleasant. Everyone was quite pleasant tonight like it's not you know, it's just yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say rivalries, but you know, you have people that get quite upset when like, you don't have a million followers, Well, then how did you get to the that was like, well, I'm like funny for.

Real, because there's always like that.

Real, because there's always like that.

That's something that no matter how many gimmicks you have, no matter how many you know, whatever you have, like if you don't if you can't show up and show out, like if you don't have that that thirty, that forty five, that fifty, that hour for real for I, then yeah, you had a really great show that one time, and then you're never gonna get booked again. And what we're seeing is like funny. I think funny is finally starting to come back because you have all these people who got really big on their podcast during the pandemic or you know, they have this great following and then obviously people are going to come out to see them because oh my god, I love your TikTok, Oh my god, I love your podcast, and you realize, oh, they can't do stand up. And I'm not saying what they do is easy, or we'd all have millions of views sure, it's just if you're going to come into this lane, I'm gonna need you to at least learn it and respect it, because the one thing that doesn't change is the audience. Whether you've been to a stand up comedy show or not. If you're coming to see me do stand up, you're expecting to laugh. You're expecting it to be a stand up show. That's the joto, And it's like a comic like me, I'm not I always say I'm funny, I'm not famous yet, and so I'll get I'll get on the road, and I do have my clubs where I headline, but I've been asked a feature for someone who might be a really great TikToker el so that and I have on more than one occasion, you know, done my twenty minutes and now I'm eating and fifteen minutes later they're wrapping up, and I'm like, how did I do more?

That's something that no matter how many gimmicks you have, no matter how many you know, whatever you have, like if you don't if you can't show up and show out, like if you don't have that that thirty, that forty five, that fifty, that hour for real for I, then yeah, you had a really great show that one time, and then you're never gonna get booked again. And what we're seeing is like funny. I think funny is finally starting to come back because you have all these people who got really big on their podcast during the pandemic or you know, they have this great following and then obviously people are going to come out to see them because oh my god, I love your TikTok, Oh my god, I love your podcast, and you realize, oh, they can't do stand up. And I'm not saying what they do is easy, or we'd all have millions of views sure, it's just if you're going to come into this lane, I'm gonna need you to at least learn it and respect it, because the one thing that doesn't change is the audience. Whether you've been to a stand up comedy show or not. If you're coming to see me do stand up, you're expecting to laugh. You're expecting it to be a stand up show. That's the joto, And it's like a comic like me, I'm not I always say I'm funny, I'm not famous yet, and so I'll get I'll get on the road, and I do have my clubs where I headline, but I've been asked a feature for someone who might be a really great TikToker el so that and I have on more than one occasion, you know, done my twenty minutes and now I'm eating and fifteen minutes later they're wrapping up, and I'm like, how did I do more?

Fifteen minutes? And I'll then, you know, can you go back out there?

Fifteen minutes? And I'll then, you know, can you go back out there?

And you know, Okay, well, let's let's talk about how we're going to handle that with the page.

And you know, Okay, well, let's let's talk about how we're going to handle that with the page.

Yes, right, you want some more jokes I'm gonna need to see well, yeah, and the business is all about filling the seats now, so it's like, sure, as long as you can get people in the club, will just give you the money and go, We'll take the drink money, you know.

Yes, right, you want some more jokes I'm gonna need to see well, yeah, and the business is all about filling the seats now, so it's like, sure, as long as you can get people in the club, will just give you the money and go, We'll take the drink money, you know.

Yeah, But I think there's also more awareness to the competitive nature of it, so like because there's way more comedy podcasts, there's more people talking about it, so you know, I think there is awareness of like comparison being the thief of joy and.

Yeah, But I think there's also more awareness to the competitive nature of it, so like because there's way more comedy podcasts, there's more people talking about it, so you know, I think there is awareness of like comparison being the thief of joy and.

Well yeah, but it also it is a time when it feels like the world of comedy is pleased a little more than for what you guys are allowed to or the orthodox say of what you're allowed to talk about and when you're not allowed to talk about. And in some regards I think it's it's a great leap forward. In other ways, I think you might be handcuffing wrong people here a little bit. I mean that, you know, when when humor is under the same rules, I don't know, maybe I'm biased, but I think human should be under a different center rules.

Well yeah, but it also it is a time when it feels like the world of comedy is pleased a little more than for what you guys are allowed to or the orthodox say of what you're allowed to talk about and when you're not allowed to talk about. And in some regards I think it's it's a great leap forward. In other ways, I think you might be handcuffing wrong people here a little bit. I mean that, you know, when when humor is under the same rules, I don't know, maybe I'm biased, but I think human should be under a different center rules.

Am I wrong?

Am I wrong?

I think the intention of just telling a joke sort of is it should be a get out of jail free ish, But it's hard to judge intention and certainly that doesn't stop people from taking something and putting a different context on it. But at the end of the day, I think we're still the most free oh entertainment. You know, we don't have to go through a line of my brother's in directing and he's trying to get a movie made and he's a you got to go through eighteen different versions of scripts and horrendous, and then you can put it out two years later and then people will hate it, you know, Whereas like I can think of a joke that day, I can think of a joke that day and then go test it and be like, well, here we go, here we go. You know, we find out immediately and there's something appealing about that.

I think the intention of just telling a joke sort of is it should be a get out of jail free ish, But it's hard to judge intention and certainly that doesn't stop people from taking something and putting a different context on it. But at the end of the day, I think we're still the most free oh entertainment. You know, we don't have to go through a line of my brother's in directing and he's trying to get a movie made and he's a you got to go through eighteen different versions of scripts and horrendous, and then you can put it out two years later and then people will hate it, you know, Whereas like I can think of a joke that day, I can think of a joke that day and then go test it and be like, well, here we go, here we go. You know, we find out immediately and there's something appealing about that.

It's also but you got you kind of have to look at who's laughing as well.

It's also but you got you kind of have to look at who's laughing as well.

I mean there's definitely people that like sometimes if you do like a like a gay joke, and then people come up to you, like when you made fun of the gay people, and you're like, I'm getting the wrong.

I mean there's definitely people that like sometimes if you do like a like a gay joke, and then people come up to you, like when you made fun of the gay people, and you're like, I'm getting the wrong.

I mean my general rule with them is this, I you know, to your point, I don't feel like anyone should be stifled and the way I too, like I'll talk about anything and everything. But as long as I'm not I know when I wrote this joke, when I came up with this bit, it was not written with malicious intent. And then for the most part, I'm talking about things that have happened to me, you know.

I mean my general rule with them is this, I you know, to your point, I don't feel like anyone should be stifled and the way I too, like I'll talk about anything and everything. But as long as I'm not I know when I wrote this joke, when I came up with this bit, it was not written with malicious intent. And then for the most part, I'm talking about things that have happened to me, you know.

And I told them, I was like, if you're upset, how the fuck, how the hell excuse me, what actually happened?

And I told them, I was like, if you're upset, how the fuck, how the hell excuse me, what actually happened?

You know what I mean, Like, it's funny now that we've worked through it, and da da, But but I think to what the over policing now does is it creates a subset of comics that are like, let me say something so outlandish. I agree that now I've pissed everybody off, and now I'm I'm in this genre of comic even though if they're not even really that person.

You know what I mean, Like, it's funny now that we've worked through it, and da da, But but I think to what the over policing now does is it creates a subset of comics that are like, let me say something so outlandish. I agree that now I've pissed everybody off, and now I'm I'm in this genre of comic even though if they're not even really that person.

I agree. There's a lot of comics.

I agree. There's a lot of comics.

Where I've seen their clips and I'm like, I don't ever want to run across this person meet them, nicest person in the world. They have created this this persona.

Where I've seen their clips and I'm like, I don't ever want to run across this person meet them, nicest person in the world. They have created this this persona.

Also, it speaks to your your the idea of the illusion that they are comedians.

Also, it speaks to your your the idea of the illusion that they are comedians.

They're not.

They're not.

If you're just saying a bunch of hateful ship that a bunch of other hateful people respond to, I don't feel like that is really working in the in the genre of comedy, you just.

If you're just saying a bunch of hateful ship that a bunch of other hateful people respond to, I don't feel like that is really working in the in the genre of comedy, you just.

I mean, there are there are great stand up.

I mean, there are there are great stand up.

Comedians like I think Anthony Jeselnick is a great stand up comedian who works with some stuff like there's no way I could say that or even agree with it. It's I mean, that's a terrible thing to see.

Comedians like I think Anthony Jeselnick is a great stand up comedian who works with some stuff like there's no way I could say that or even agree with it. It's I mean, that's a terrible thing to see.

He's also going for shock value, and he is, but he's also he's very skillful, and he's a good stand up as opposed to you get people who just say mean things and yeah, it's not the it's not the same.

He's also going for shock value, and he is, but he's also he's very skillful, and he's a good stand up as opposed to you get people who just say mean things and yeah, it's not the it's not the same.

And and also I think, and I don't want to use the jesil neck as an example too much, but it is kind I kind of get the feeling that there's a wink there that you know that I know this is horrible. You know this is horrible, you know somewhere even although I would never.

And and also I think, and I don't want to use the jesil neck as an example too much, but it is kind I kind of get the feeling that there's a wink there that you know that I know this is horrible. You know this is horrible, you know somewhere even although I would never.

Admit to this, I don't mean it's the smile too. Yeah.

Admit to this, I don't mean it's the smile too. Yeah.

Yeah, And he's a handsome fellow too, so he can get away with a little more there.

Yeah, And he's a handsome fellow too, so he can get away with a little more there.

Well, And that's I think we're all in that. We're all very good looking people, and that's that's what we're.

Well, And that's I think we're all in that. We're all very good looking people, and that's that's what we're.

If that's what you want to believe. Sure's your podcast. You're allowed to make the rules. Does it matter good looking?

If that's what you want to believe. Sure's your podcast. You're allowed to make the rules. Does it matter good looking?

Does it matter? We're not filming this right.

Does it matter? We're not filming this right.

I think stand up is the one realm where you can be like funny looking.

I think stand up is the one realm where you can be like funny looking.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot of good look at people doing it.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot of good look at people doing it.

No, yeah, I mean it used to used to be like if you had one eye bigger than the other eye, and it's like.

No, yeah, I mean it used to used to be like if you had one eye bigger than the other eye, and it's like.

Well, you can't. Yeah, you can't be in the middle.

Well, you can't. Yeah, you can't be in the middle.

You know, you got to be either so attractive that people stop scrolling or so ugly that people.

You know, you got to be either so attractive that people stop scrolling or so ugly that people.

Stop happening that. I can completely agree with that. Like I used to say that about weight with with actors in Hollywood. You can't be in between. You're either fit or your facts. If you're in between, it's like you're you're sloppy and you need to either get yourself together.

Stop happening that. I can completely agree with that. Like I used to say that about weight with with actors in Hollywood. You can't be in between. You're either fit or your facts. If you're in between, it's like you're you're sloppy and you need to either get yourself together.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot of work. What happened? What happens when.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot of work. What happened? What happens when.

When you start out and you make a mistake, Like to me, I think part of learning would be a stand up is you.

When you start out and you make a mistake, Like to me, I think part of learning would be a stand up is you.

Got to fail. You have to fail.

Got to fail. You have to fail.

Yeah, it's a it's a it's a thing that you really you're not gonna learn how to do it.

Yeah, it's a it's a it's a thing that you really you're not gonna learn how to do it.

Look if you I'm looking at you both.

Look if you I'm looking at you both.

I know you both enough to know about your material that you both have fucking died up there at some point you're both good enough.

I know you both enough to know about your material that you both have fucking died up there at some point you're both good enough.

I wish I hadn't posted that. But but here's the thing. That's what I was gonna say.

I wish I hadn't posted that. But but here's the thing. That's what I was gonna say.

Everything you do, like like I had to fight.

Everything you do, like like I had to fight.

To get filmed when I was starting.

To get filmed when I was starting.

Now you guys are getting filmed on the way to the gay you know, so everything is get everything is there forever.

Now you guys are getting filmed on the way to the gay you know, so everything is get everything is there forever.

All the the first four content in general is so strong that it's like, like you were saying, like every day part of your responsibilities, like do I have a clip to post?

All the the first four content in general is so strong that it's like, like you were saying, like every day part of your responsibilities, like do I have a clip to post?

Do I have to thing to promote?

Do I have to thing to promote?

Because you're always at a club and you gotta be making making a noise or whatever.

Because you're always at a club and you gotta be making making a noise or whatever.

Sorry, the schedule, like I have a I have a Monday, Wednesday, Friday really of what I Then I'll sit usually I sit on Sundays and I take a few hours of my day and whatever it shows I haven't clipped up yet, I'll clip those up. And then I kind of have a process where I tease my followers a little bit through my stories. I'll post clips to my stories, though those clips that get the most reactions are the ones that end up actually getting posted to the page.

Sorry, the schedule, like I have a I have a Monday, Wednesday, Friday really of what I Then I'll sit usually I sit on Sundays and I take a few hours of my day and whatever it shows I haven't clipped up yet, I'll clip those up. And then I kind of have a process where I tease my followers a little bit through my stories. I'll post clips to my stories, though those clips that get the most reactions are the ones that end up actually getting posted to the page.

And uh, you know, it's a lot of work for you guys. I think it's harder. I think it's actually it's easier in one way and harder than another.

And uh, you know, it's a lot of work for you guys. I think it's harder. I think it's actually it's easier in one way and harder than another.

I mean it's.

I mean it's.

Because more middle class, you know, I think, yeah, And whereas it used to be superstar or probably nothing, and now there's like.

Because more middle class, you know, I think, yeah, And whereas it used to be superstar or probably nothing, and now there's like.

You can make eleven.

You can make eleven.

Yeah, I feel like one hundred seeds around town and I call it like my Eagles cover band tour. And I'm just like, you know, I go to like the b cities where I'm like, Craig Fergus isn't coming, you know, So I'm your best.

Yeah, I feel like one hundred seeds around town and I call it like my Eagles cover band tour. And I'm just like, you know, I go to like the b cities where I'm like, Craig Fergus isn't coming, you know, So I'm your best.

But but it's the whole thing as well.

But but it's the whole thing as well.

Is that what I was surprised that And this is actually something that I think Bette Midler said this is that the one of the most disheartening things about success is that not everyone is happy for you. And have you noticed as because you're both moving forward, you both are You've got traction.

Is that what I was surprised that And this is actually something that I think Bette Midler said this is that the one of the most disheartening things about success is that not everyone is happy for you. And have you noticed as because you're both moving forward, you both are You've got traction.

I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie.

I'm mercenary enough to know, Yeah, these two have got a future, so I'll put them on. Okay, I'm not I'm not without guile when it comes to this. He's more hip replacement. But it's it's kind of a it's an odd thing. Does it take that form? Have you become aware of it?

I'm mercenary enough to know, Yeah, these two have got a future, so I'll put them on. Okay, I'm not I'm not without guile when it comes to this. He's more hip replacement. But it's it's kind of a it's an odd thing. Does it take that form? Have you become aware of it?

Is it? Do you start to feel isolated from your peers if you do well?

Is it? Do you start to feel isolated from your peers if you do well?

Like if you're filling a hundred sears before you fill one hundred seat or the people who are still not filling one hundred seies? Are you like, do you pull apart? Do they get mad at you? Do they put mean comments on your phone?

Like if you're filling a hundred sears before you fill one hundred seat or the people who are still not filling one hundred seies? Are you like, do you pull apart? Do they get mad at you? Do they put mean comments on your phone?

No, not that I think it's like you're saying, it's sort of isolating in a way because when you're coming up, you're with your peers every night at the open mic, and and then when you start hitting the road, it's like, well, we can't both be features in Tulsa. So he's in Tallahassee, I'm in whatever, and so you know, you lose that sort of community. But I think stand ups in general have common you know, experience, So no matter where you go in the world, you need a stand up And yeah, you can become friends almost instantly because you have this shared experience of oh, let me tell you about my hell gig, and let me tell you about this, right and then this. You know, I think you'd be the change you want to see. Like I help out, I pay my opener as well. I share the money information with him to let him know. I think that avoids resentment. Is going like here's what I made, Here's what I spent, here's what I did.

No, not that I think it's like you're saying, it's sort of isolating in a way because when you're coming up, you're with your peers every night at the open mic, and and then when you start hitting the road, it's like, well, we can't both be features in Tulsa. So he's in Tallahassee, I'm in whatever, and so you know, you lose that sort of community. But I think stand ups in general have common you know, experience, So no matter where you go in the world, you need a stand up And yeah, you can become friends almost instantly because you have this shared experience of oh, let me tell you about my hell gig, and let me tell you about this, right and then this. You know, I think you'd be the change you want to see. Like I help out, I pay my opener as well. I share the money information with him to let him know. I think that avoids resentment. Is going like here's what I made, Here's what I spent, here's what I did.

Right, that's terrible idea, you know. I mean, to your point, the code to my all that, all of it. I actually have his bank account number. Wow, he didn't give it to me. But but no, I think, you know, yeah, I mean it can be islaning period, just because you're on the road, you're you're in the hotel rooms. But I think the more I traveled, the more friends I make on the road, because now I'm now it's now we were all doing the same thing, you know, in this kind of realm. Like I'll probably see you get in a couple of months and it'll be like we just saw each other yesterday.

Right, that's terrible idea, you know. I mean, to your point, the code to my all that, all of it. I actually have his bank account number. Wow, he didn't give it to me. But but no, I think, you know, yeah, I mean it can be islaning period, just because you're on the road, you're you're in the hotel rooms. But I think the more I traveled, the more friends I make on the road, because now I'm now it's now we were all doing the same thing, you know, in this kind of realm. Like I'll probably see you get in a couple of months and it'll be like we just saw each other yesterday.

I think with Instagram and stuff, you can each other's yeah.

I think with Instagram and stuff, you can each other's yeah.

Yeah, you know you just like the.

Yeah, you know you just like the.

Story and you go, yeah, I remember my son saying this to me a week ago. He's twenty three, and he said, I'm meeting a friend of mine for the first time. I like, because they're friends, Yeah, he said, actually the first Yeah, it's crazy.

Story and you go, yeah, I remember my son saying this to me a week ago. He's twenty three, and he said, I'm meeting a friend of mine for the first time. I like, because they're friends, Yeah, he said, actually the first Yeah, it's crazy.

But I will say this though, you do at least because I'm I'm hyper aware, I'm I'm I'm looking, I'm seeing, and you know, you when certain things have happened, at least in my career in the past couple of years, because I feel like I'm in that weird realm where in a few years people are going to say it was an overnight success, even.

But I will say this though, you do at least because I'm I'm hyper aware, I'm I'm I'm looking, I'm seeing, and you know, you when certain things have happened, at least in my career in the past couple of years, because I feel like I'm in that weird realm where in a few years people are going to say it was an overnight success, even.

Though it's year twelve.

Though it's year twelve.

And I feel that happening now with some of the things I have going on. And I think the first time I realized that everyone's not happy for you, even though we were just hanging out and kicking it was when I did JFL a few years ago, and I mean, I was over the moon. I was excited, and I just remember talking to people about it and I just so happened to I just glanced over at somebody and the look on his face and from that day, I mean, and we were very close. From that point forward, he would just kind of handle me with kid gloves. I'm like, what did I do. I'm just well that goes to the saying. They're like, if you're talking to your friends about what you're doing and it's perceived as bragging, you might need a new group because everyone I know is doing big things. So it's not like I'm bragging. I'm like, oh, well, okay, well how do I hell? He look me up with one hundred?

And I feel that happening now with some of the things I have going on. And I think the first time I realized that everyone's not happy for you, even though we were just hanging out and kicking it was when I did JFL a few years ago, and I mean, I was over the moon. I was excited, and I just remember talking to people about it and I just so happened to I just glanced over at somebody and the look on his face and from that day, I mean, and we were very close. From that point forward, he would just kind of handle me with kid gloves. I'm like, what did I do. I'm just well that goes to the saying. They're like, if you're talking to your friends about what you're doing and it's perceived as bragging, you might need a new group because everyone I know is doing big things. So it's not like I'm bragging. I'm like, oh, well, okay, well how do I hell? He look me up with one hundred?

And the thing is not the one thing is not the thing that makes you like the j f L.

And the thing is not the one thing is not the thing that makes you like the j f L.

I mean, I mean hell anymore? You know what I mean. It's like, didn't they go buster?

I mean, I mean hell anymore? You know what I mean. It's like, didn't they go buster?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Man, that's.

Man, that's.

I want to tell you something that this is like, I'm definitely going to I'm the old guy talking to you.

I want to tell you something that this is like, I'm definitely going to I'm the old guy talking to you.

Now.

Now.

Here's the way out of this ship. Here's the absolute fucking currency of show business. This is the secret mcguffin that will always keep you right. Money is not a success, is not artistic fulfillment is not it? You know how you surviving this fucking game? Flattery? Keep telling other people fucking great they are all the time.

Here's the way out of this ship. Here's the absolute fucking currency of show business. This is the secret mcguffin that will always keep you right. Money is not a success, is not artistic fulfillment is not it? You know how you surviving this fucking game? Flattery? Keep telling other people fucking great they are all the time.

I really like it. You guys are.

I really like it. You guys are.

Surprise you're not wearing sandals with those Well see not? Now you went back didn't help it? Would you fell back? What they would have been getting where sandy, I can't keep off. It used to be straight to wear sandal.

Surprise you're not wearing sandals with those Well see not? Now you went back didn't help it? Would you fell back? What they would have been getting where sandy, I can't keep off. It used to be straight to wear sandal.

Earing in the wrong ear, and you're fucked now. You know what was funny? I put that the other day.

Earing in the wrong ear, and you're fucked now. You know what was funny? I put that the other day.

I was sitting in the house with my wife and kids, and.

I was sitting in the house with my wife and kids, and.

My get it, you're actually straight.

My get it, you're actually straight.

No, I never said it was a little curious. I love with your fucking labels. Man, forget that. But I'm sitting with my current family and my youngest boy said, you did you do you think you're because I used to have an earring in when I was a kid, you know, And he said, do you think your ear would still take the earring?