Mike Pereira of Fox Sports, the former VP of officiating, joins the show to discuss the current state of refereeing in the league. With his extensive experience and expertise, Mike provides valuable insights into the challenges faced by officials and the impact on the game.

Mike shares his thoughts on the recent surge in penalties, particularly roughing the passer calls, and how it's affecting the game's flow. He also touches on the importance of consistency in officiating, citing the need for officials to be on the same page when it comes to interpreting the rules. The conversation also delves into the role of the league in addressing these issues and the potential solutions, including the creation of an officiating institute.