Joan Esposito is joined by Robert Pape, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs. Foreign Affairs just published his article, "Why Escalation Favors Iran: America and Israel May Have Bitten Off More Than They Can Chew." He also recently launched "The Escalation Trap" on Substack.

Catch "Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive" weekdays from 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. Central on WCPT (heartlandsignal.com/programs/live-local-progressive).