Joan talks to Atlantic staff writer Adam Serwer, who discussed the potential legal implications of President Donald Trump's executive order aiming to end birthright citizenship, arguing that the order is part of a broader Trump administration effort to socially engineer the United States "to be more like the one that they want it to be." Serwer also expressed concern about the Supreme Court's partisanship and its potential to rule in favor of Trump despite clear legal precedents, and spoke about the Court's long history as "a reactionary institution that has not been willing to stand up for individual Americans rights and has more often sided with the powerful."

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