On today's show William Muck fills in for Joan and his guests are
– Robert Pape, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs, and author of The Escalation Trap on Substack; his new book is "Our Own Worst Enemies: America in the Age of Violent Populism"
– Dr. Philip Barker, dean of the Prothro-Yeager College of Humanities and Social Sciences and a faculty member in the Department of Political Science at Midwestern State University; he is also co-host, with William Muck, of The Politics Lab podcast
– Suzanne Chod, professor of political science at North Central College

Catch "Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive" weekdays from 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. Central on WCPT (heartlandsignal.com/programs/live-local-progressive).

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