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This is Inside Barry Reynolds part two featuring legendary songwriter and guitar player Barry Reynolds known for his iconic work with Marianne faithfull and Grace jones. Barry is also one of the original compass point all stars. The group of international musicians that created some of rock and roll and reggae's most groundbreaking albums and sessions

This is Inside Barry Reynolds part two featuring legendary songwriter and guitar player Barry Reynolds known for his iconic work with Marianne faithfull and Grace jones. Barry is also one of the original compass point all stars. The group of international musicians that created some of rock and roll and reggae's most groundbreaking albums and sessions

at Chris Blackwell studio in the Bahamas in the seventies and eighties. Throughout this series of in depth interviews with new york based DJ musicologist and journalist Greg koss Barry reveals his fascinating story from Lancashire to London and Nassau to new york city,

at Chris Blackwell studio in the Bahamas in the seventies and eighties. Throughout this series of in depth interviews with new york based DJ musicologist and journalist Greg koss Barry reveals his fascinating story from Lancashire to London and Nassau to new york city,

a great rock on tour. And Gentleman Barry tells inside stories

a great rock on tour. And Gentleman Barry tells inside stories

of his early years as a teenage guitar prodigy around the early Beatles scene in Hamburg, becoming a top recording and touring musician for everyone from Clapton to black uhuru and joe cocker and his most recent collaborations with baba mall and new york performance artist and musician, Tammy faye Starlite.

of his early years as a teenage guitar prodigy around the early Beatles scene in Hamburg, becoming a top recording and touring musician for everyone from Clapton to black uhuru and joe cocker and his most recent collaborations with baba mall and new york performance artist and musician, Tammy faye Starlite.

And Now Part two of Inside Barry Reynolds.

And Now Part two of Inside Barry Reynolds.

So now we're getting sort of into

So now we're getting sort of into

a very, very

a very, very

legendary and fascinating period that's always held a fascination for me,

legendary and fascinating period that's always held a fascination for me,

which is the whole

which is the whole

compass point era, which is an era that I really, the the whole sort of like,

compass point era, which is an era that I really, the the whole sort of like,

you know, Grace jones centered around Grace jones chris Blackwell

you know, Grace jones centered around Grace jones chris Blackwell

and then you know, compass point studios in Nassau in the Bahamas

and then you know, compass point studios in Nassau in the Bahamas

and then you had sly and Robbie and you had Wally battery through and you had Mikey chung and you had all and you had yourself and you had all these brilliant people, the great producer and engineer, Alex, sad, um so all these amazing creative people, just sort of like converging on this studio in the caribbean and making this music that's just so

and then you had sly and Robbie and you had Wally battery through and you had Mikey chung and you had all and you had yourself and you had all these brilliant people, the great producer and engineer, Alex, sad, um so all these amazing creative people, just sort of like converging on this studio in the caribbean and making this music that's just so

Cutting edge 40 years ago and still cutting edge now,

Cutting edge 40 years ago and still cutting edge now,

there is something about the creative energy

there is something about the creative energy

that came out of that whole scene that I find just endlessly fascinating,

that came out of that whole scene that I find just endlessly fascinating,

like you know, I still listen to these records

like you know, I still listen to these records

and they still there just mind blowing, you know, and and it's connected also to the whole downtown new york circa 1980 81 you know, sort of thing, where you had your

and they still there just mind blowing, you know, and and it's connected also to the whole downtown new york circa 1980 81 you know, sort of thing, where you had your

people, like your artists and your

people, like your artists and your

fashion people and all these different creative jean paul, Goude, you had photography, you had film, you had fashion, you had you had keith haring, you had basquiat,

fashion people and all these different creative jean paul, Goude, you had photography, you had film, you had fashion, you had you had keith haring, you had basquiat,

he had hip hop starting, and so this whole downtown new york creative nexus chris Blackwell and Grace jones managed to stuff that all on a plane and fly it down to the Bahamas and get it all on tape on these brilliant,

he had hip hop starting, and so this whole downtown new york creative nexus chris Blackwell and Grace jones managed to stuff that all on a plane and fly it down to the Bahamas and get it all on tape on these brilliant,

just kind of mold, breaking game changing records, and I would really love to like get your sort of overview of that whole era and how you came to be a part of it

just kind of mold, breaking game changing records, and I would really love to like get your sort of overview of that whole era and how you came to be a part of it

in such a central part of it. Well, what happened was

in such a central part of it. Well, what happened was

it was my birthday, I was living in London, I was I was really drunk,

it was my birthday, I was living in London, I was I was really drunk,

I was I was high and I got a call from Blackwell

I was I was high and I got a call from Blackwell

and thank God I wrote something down or else I would have forgotten, you know, he was like, oh what's happening man?

and thank God I wrote something down or else I would have forgotten, you know, he was like, oh what's happening man?

He said, he said, yeah, I want you to come down to a compass point studios and do something with Grace jones and I thought he said Gloria

He said, he said, yeah, I want you to come down to a compass point studios and do something with Grace jones and I thought he said Gloria

jones and Gloria jones used to go out with marc Bolan and you don't want to get into a car with her. Yeah, that's right. And so I said, yeah man, whatever you know, and hung the phone up and then went back to the party or whatever I was doing and the day after I saw this scribbling and I thought

jones and Gloria jones used to go out with marc Bolan and you don't want to get into a car with her. Yeah, that's right. And so I said, yeah man, whatever you know, and hung the phone up and then went back to the party or whatever I was doing and the day after I saw this scribbling and I thought

you have to get in touch with Island Records here. And so I got in touch with Island Records and I said, I apologize, he said anything, you know, out of whatever, you know, I don't know what the fuss was going on last night

you have to get in touch with Island Records here. And so I got in touch with Island Records and I said, I apologize, he said anything, you know, out of whatever, you know, I don't know what the fuss was going on last night

but yes, you know, I'm, I'm interested I said, but why Gloria jones and uh you know why? And I've heard of

but yes, you know, I'm, I'm interested I said, but why Gloria jones and uh you know why? And I've heard of

slain Robbie through

slain Robbie through

who is that? The duet that did give me a little send me one on the way home town uptown top ranking by healthy and Donna. Yeah and that groove, you know, I just also in black uhuru at the time.

who is that? The duet that did give me a little send me one on the way home town uptown top ranking by healthy and Donna. Yeah and that groove, you know, I just also in black uhuru at the time.

Yeah, I played on a couple of Black Who

Yeah, I played on a couple of Black Who

albums but then I I got got in touch with chris and said, yeah, he said, no, it's Grace jones, he said, and if you can go out and get her albums and listen to her last albums because I've never heard of race jones.

albums but then I I got got in touch with chris and said, yeah, he said, no, it's Grace jones, he said, and if you can go out and get her albums and listen to her last albums because I've never heard of race jones.

And so anyway, I found the albums and came back and portfolio and like those early kind of more disco issues,

And so anyway, I found the albums and came back and portfolio and like those early kind of more disco issues,

you know, there's a mistake here. Why why do you need to get into this? Yeah, because one I I thought they were awful records.

you know, there's a mistake here. Why why do you need to get into this? Yeah, because one I I thought they were awful records.

You know, I thought you know, the grooves were dreadful. They were kind of thrown together. And you know, it was just like,

You know, I thought you know, the grooves were dreadful. They were kind of thrown together. And you know, it was just like,

I don't know if missing was you to put it. All right, well, we'll uh, chris is very uh

I don't know if missing was you to put it. All right, well, we'll uh, chris is very uh

forceful. And uh you see, he said just come over and you know,

forceful. And uh you see, he said just come over and you know,

and so I remember getting on the plane and and Wally was on the plane as well. I met Wally Wally. Wally battery through the keyboard player and Wally could barely speak english. And it was the first time in my life I have to say this. You know the truth.

and so I remember getting on the plane and and Wally was on the plane as well. I met Wally Wally. Wally battery through the keyboard player and Wally could barely speak english. And it was the first time in my life I have to say this. You know the truth.

I arrived in with with Wally at compass point.

I arrived in with with Wally at compass point.

There was no one there to greet us

There was no one there to greet us

and it was like where are we staying? And eventually someone turned up, you're staying in this place. And

and it was like where are we staying? And eventually someone turned up, you're staying in this place. And

yes, I will. What what what about the studio? And somebody showed us the students like where's the other musicians

yes, I will. What what what about the studio? And somebody showed us the students like where's the other musicians

order in Jamaica?

order in Jamaica?

Why?

Why?

So? Well, you know, they'll they'll be coming over in three days. Why did you bring this over now? You know? And,

So? Well, you know, they'll they'll be coming over in three days. Why did you bring this over now? You know? And,

And so he started off a little, little, little weird and then sly and 80 or so. Right? Yeah. And

And so he started off a little, little, little weird and then sly and 80 or so. Right? Yeah. And

there was a little racism there. I must admit, I was going to say reverse racism. There's no such thing, you know, I mean, racism is racism. When when I arrived there, first of all, they looked at Wally because Wally is like african, Parisian and so kind of regal

there was a little racism there. I must admit, I was going to say reverse racism. There's no such thing, you know, I mean, racism is racism. When when I arrived there, first of all, they looked at Wally because Wally is like african, Parisian and so kind of regal

in many ways, you know?

in many ways, you know?

And so the Jamaicans kind of looked down and he's looking down upon his mark.

And so the Jamaicans kind of looked down and he's looking down upon his mark.

You know, he, he thinks he's superior

You know, he, he thinks he's superior

and he wasn't, he just didn't understand what was going on. Race actually said something about this because I read her her book, which is brilliant.

and he wasn't, he just didn't understand what was going on. Race actually said something about this because I read her her book, which is brilliant.

And she, she mentioned how there were certain cultural tensions

And she, she mentioned how there were certain cultural tensions

at first, at least, you know, at the beginning of these sessions where like

at first, at least, you know, at the beginning of these sessions where like

Wally and the Jamaicans took a minute to kind of like, suss each other out and get used to each other before they actually,

Wally and the Jamaicans took a minute to kind of like, suss each other out and get used to each other before they actually,

after a couple of, a couple of days, just thought, I want to go home, I, I can't relate to these people. And I, I think, you know, they don't like me and whatever. And so I think it was Alex and said, well, listen, what we'll do is put down the grooves

after a couple of, a couple of days, just thought, I want to go home, I, I can't relate to these people. And I, I think, you know, they don't like me and whatever. And so I think it was Alex and said, well, listen, what we'll do is put down the grooves

and

and

you can work later and Wally is good at working by himself,

you can work later and Wally is good at working by himself,

leave him alone, you know, and let him, you know, put the fairy dust on, uh, put put on it. But

leave him alone, you know, and let him, you know, put the fairy dust on, uh, put put on it. But

what broke me through with with the Jamaicans, I always now I'm, I'm Mikey is in new york and I'm in touch with Mikey, I love him dearly.

what broke me through with with the Jamaicans, I always now I'm, I'm Mikey is in new york and I'm in touch with Mikey, I love him dearly.

He's one of my best friends

He's one of my best friends

and he's in new york these days.

and he's in new york these days.

Yeah. And so anyway, my Mikey and I have always, I'd bring mike into sessions that I was doing as well, you know, get him over to europe and stuff because I think he's a great bass player as well as the guitar, he plays like Robbie, you know, and the way he

Yeah. And so anyway, my Mikey and I have always, I'd bring mike into sessions that I was doing as well, you know, get him over to europe and stuff because I think he's a great bass player as well as the guitar, he plays like Robbie, you know, and the way he

does the bubble thing on, you know, the keyboards and stuff like that.

does the bubble thing on, you know, the keyboards and stuff like that.

But I remember this one time in

But I remember this one time in

the studio, I don't know in in England we have these cigarettes called embassy

the studio, I don't know in in England we have these cigarettes called embassy

and this was when I was smoking cigarettes

and this was when I was smoking cigarettes

and so we would sit, which was a great idea, we would sit in a circle

and so we would sit, which was a great idea, we would sit in a circle

so there was eye contact,

so there was eye contact,

you know, and so

you know, and so

you know, it's not each other or whatever.

you know, it's not each other or whatever.

But I remember I had this this chair, you know, and I'm a music stand, I don't read,

But I remember I had this this chair, you know, and I'm a music stand, I don't read,

but I have to stand there just, you know with notes and everything and I put my cigarettes on there.

but I have to stand there just, you know with notes and everything and I put my cigarettes on there.

And so the first day, you know, I put my embassy cigarettes, which I bought on the plane

And so the first day, you know, I put my embassy cigarettes, which I bought on the plane

and

and

you know, I would go to the bathroom and come back and they weren't there.

you know, I would go to the bathroom and come back and they weren't there.

And he was like,

And he was like,

hmm, that's odd

hmm, that's odd

day after the same thing

day after the same thing

day after

day after

the same thing. And so I'm thinking, what is going on here? So

the same thing. And so I'm thinking, what is going on here? So

I look over and sticky who I dearly love, amazing musician, amazing percussionist. And I looked over and he had this set up

I look over and sticky who I dearly love, amazing musician, amazing percussionist. And I looked over and he had this set up

and I see these embassy cigarettes.

and I see these embassy cigarettes.

Now you couldn't buy embassy in Nassau and you can buy embassy in Jamaica.

Now you couldn't buy embassy in Nassau and you can buy embassy in Jamaica.

And so I went over and said, listen man, I said,

And so I went over and said, listen man, I said,

because they weren't talking to me at that point, you know, I don't know why.

because they weren't talking to me at that point, you know, I don't know why.

But um,

But um,

and I went over and I said, listen, if you want a cigarette,

and I went over and I said, listen, if you want a cigarette,

I said, she's actually one man.

I said, she's actually one man.

So you don't have to take the packet

So you don't have to take the packet

And so sticky. Who I mean sticky is like trench town sticky. I mean hard as nails. He's got about 400 kids, you know,

And so sticky. Who I mean sticky is like trench town sticky. I mean hard as nails. He's got about 400 kids, you know,

the state turned around to me and said, you're calling me a teeth.

the state turned around to me and said, you're calling me a teeth.

I said, I'm not calling you anything. I'm just saying, you know, you've just stolen my, you, you,

I said, I'm not calling you anything. I'm just saying, you know, you've just stolen my, you, you,

those are my cigarettes, where else would you get them?

those are my cigarettes, where else would you get them?

And so sticky said

And so sticky said

you me outside, come on.

you me outside, come on.

And so I'm thinking, oh here we go. And so he's walking, you know to the doorway of, uh, you know, leading out to the studio and I'm following him and I'm thinking

And so I'm thinking, oh here we go. And so he's walking, you know to the doorway of, uh, you know, leading out to the studio and I'm following him and I'm thinking

you're going to get in a brawl and you're probably going to get plastered by this guy what's going on?

you're going to get in a brawl and you're probably going to get plastered by this guy what's going on?

But anyway, I I followed him and as soon as we got to the door sticky, turned around and went, the only, the only kid in man, the only joking and gave me, gave me a hug and I was like, thank God for that, you know, it's great.

But anyway, I I followed him and as soon as we got to the door sticky, turned around and went, the only, the only kid in man, the only joking and gave me, gave me a hug and I was like, thank God for that, you know, it's great.

Yeah. And then after that

Yeah. And then after that

I'd kind of,

I'd kind of,

the ice was broken a bit. Yeah, and I I gained a certain amount of

the ice was broken a bit. Yeah, and I I gained a certain amount of

macho respect. I know it sounds weird, but after that, you know, my name became job being,

macho respect. I know it sounds weird, but after that, you know, my name became job being,

you know, so I noticed on, on a couple of these records, you know, your credit is barry White Reynolds. Yeah, it was like, I'm like, that's not even funny, you know, if you're gonna, you know, whatever, but but they they were great with,

you know, so I noticed on, on a couple of these records, you know, your credit is barry White Reynolds. Yeah, it was like, I'm like, that's not even funny, you know, if you're gonna, you know, whatever, but but they they were great with,

you know, they they they call musicians such a bloody horse mouth,

you know, they they they call musicians such a bloody horse mouth,

whatever ailment you have, they would, you know, whatever.

whatever ailment you have, they would, you know, whatever.

But after after that, we started when we started recording, we're recording three tracks a day

But after after that, we started when we started recording, we're recording three tracks a day

in,

in,

wow! So out of that came like in rapid succession, the warm leatherette

wow! So out of that came like in rapid succession, the warm leatherette

and nightclubbing albums. Yeah.

and nightclubbing albums. Yeah.

And now Grace would come down later,

And now Grace would come down later,

Grace would come and some I would call up Grace and it annoyed me, I told Grace about this because she did some interview in the new york times and she was saying, and yes, you know, we'd work out the songs and like,

Grace would come and some I would call up Grace and it annoyed me, I told Grace about this because she did some interview in the new york times and she was saying, and yes, you know, we'd work out the songs and like,

no, we didn't,

no, we didn't,

you weren't there.

you weren't there.

Um because I I remember calling Grace and Grace is waking up and I'm like, listen, I need to know the key that you're singing this song, and and so, you know, I get the guitar and go, how's this key? And she's singing in a certain key, and I go,

Um because I I remember calling Grace and Grace is waking up and I'm like, listen, I need to know the key that you're singing this song, and and so, you know, I get the guitar and go, how's this key? And she's singing in a certain key, and I go,

okay, well she's singing in g let's do it in a

okay, well she's singing in g let's do it in a

or whatever, you know, because, you know, once you're in front of my little more energy, you know, and whatever, and and it worked that way,

or whatever, you know, because, you know, once you're in front of my little more energy, you know, and whatever, and and it worked that way,

Oh, that's great, that's brilliant.

Oh, that's great, that's brilliant.

And so now now is the time that like, I got to ask about this song, which is one of my favorites and it's one of yours, and it's called

And so now now is the time that like, I got to ask about this song, which is one of my favorites and it's one of yours, and it's called

Bullshit. Especially not one way favorites. I love that too.

Bullshit. Especially not one way favorites. I love that too.

It was it was, to be honest with you, it was like,

It was it was, to be honest with you, it was like,

we got through the tracks so quickly that Blackwell was like, surprised and it was like, We need material. Do you have anything? And so one night I think I got drunk

we got through the tracks so quickly that Blackwell was like, surprised and it was like, We need material. Do you have anything? And so one night I think I got drunk

uh and you know, rum and you know, a few jeffries and smoke whatever, and uh and and wrote this and we went in and and recorded it.

uh and you know, rum and you know, a few jeffries and smoke whatever, and uh and and wrote this and we went in and and recorded it.

Mhm.

Mhm.

And if I wandered down the wrong road,

And if I wandered down the wrong road,

it's all right,

it's all right,

baby, just let me go

baby, just let me go

if I get tired of all those assholes,

if I get tired of all those assholes,

it's all right,

it's all right,

because I want to

because I want to

yeah,

yeah,

rain

rain

wow, you know, the lyrics to that are so kind of like, there's times when I myself just kind of need to hear that song because it expresses exactly how I'm feeling, you know,

wow, you know, the lyrics to that are so kind of like, there's times when I myself just kind of need to hear that song because it expresses exactly how I'm feeling, you know,

and I think a lot of us can relate to it. Is there a certain that's really good to hear because I've never heard that before.

and I think a lot of us can relate to it. Is there a certain that's really good to hear because I've never heard that before.

No one has actually brought in a part of this bullsh. It was just great. You know,

No one has actually brought in a part of this bullsh. It was just great. You know,

and it's and the title is right there on the record and it's just like, wow, this is great. There's a song on there called bullshit and

and it's and the title is right there on the record and it's just like, wow, this is great. There's a song on there called bullshit and

you know, and and when I play it sometimes at parties and people just kind of look over and they smile and they get the thumbs up like, yeah, I know exactly what this song is. Yeah, it's a it's a nice one

you know, and and when I play it sometimes at parties and people just kind of look over and they smile and they get the thumbs up like, yeah, I know exactly what this song is. Yeah, it's a it's a nice one

and I figured it was probably something written. I mean it shows signs of being something that maybe this was written at the last minute or maybe it's just something that came from somewhere deep inside. Either result is great and it fits her persona so perfectly well. Yeah, that's interesting enough. But Grace is probably one of the laziest people I've ever met in my life.

and I figured it was probably something written. I mean it shows signs of being something that maybe this was written at the last minute or maybe it's just something that came from somewhere deep inside. Either result is great and it fits her persona so perfectly well. Yeah, that's interesting enough. But Grace is probably one of the laziest people I've ever met in my life.

And so I would start with an idea

And so I would start with an idea

and sometimes Grace would start with an idea. I remember at one point she was splitting up with

and sometimes Grace would start with an idea. I remember at one point she was splitting up with

jean paul and during one of their arguments, he turned around because Grace was hanging out with Andy war hole and you know, the, you know the artsy new york, yeah, art group. Exactly. And uh

jean paul and during one of their arguments, he turned around because Grace was hanging out with Andy war hole and you know, the, you know the artsy new york, yeah, art group. Exactly. And uh

she wrote something

she wrote something

jean paul saying the only, the only way you see me is as an art groupie. And as soon as she said that I said, you know, we should we should do something with it.

jean paul saying the only, the only way you see me is as an art groupie. And as soon as she said that I said, you know, we should we should do something with it.

Wait.

Wait.

Some people like to be

Some people like to be

wait.

wait.

And it's funny because when I listen to that song now

And it's funny because when I listen to that song now

and I don't like these writers at all, but it kind of reminds me of like the, it reminds me of almost like a something that Andrew Lloyd Webber would write, you know that that melody, I rather write my memoir,

and I don't like these writers at all, but it kind of reminds me of like the, it reminds me of almost like a something that Andrew Lloyd Webber would write, you know that that melody, I rather write my memoir,

there's nothing in my book and uh, but you know, she called the book Are groupie apparently. And so

there's nothing in my book and uh, but you know, she called the book Are groupie apparently. And so

but after it was always easy for me to write with Grace, you know, because she was really open and

but after it was always easy for me to write with Grace, you know, because she was really open and

I, I love her dearly, you know, and when I'm in Jamaica, we always, we always get together, you know, and I was doing that Piazzolla tango cover her idea.

I, I love her dearly, you know, and when I'm in Jamaica, we always, we always get together, you know, and I was doing that Piazzolla tango cover her idea.

No, it was jean paul goods

No, it was jean paul goods

and it was

and it was

that was one of my beefs with Grace, because

that was one of my beefs with Grace, because

what happened was I wrote the lyrics

what happened was I wrote the lyrics

to ah to Liberty tango, you know, and basically it was about a stalker,

to ah to Liberty tango, you know, and basically it was about a stalker,

you know, in some club in paris and we're listening to it listening back and naturally Dylan who's Parisian, I said, you know what, it would be great

you know, in some club in paris and we're listening to it listening back and naturally Dylan who's Parisian, I said, you know what, it would be great

because we didn't have the accordion solo in yet. I said it would be great if you could talk if you could say something here in french.

because we didn't have the accordion solo in yet. I said it would be great if you could talk if you could say something here in french.

And so her and Natalie got together and just said something in front, as I mentioned, a street, you know, and so she mentioned Hoffman boulevard, you know? And then when the album came out, I see like five writers and that really annoyed me,

And so her and Natalie got together and just said something in front, as I mentioned, a street, you know, and so she mentioned Hoffman boulevard, you know? And then when the album came out, I see like five writers and that really annoyed me,

you know, because I thought you just threw this, I I did the work that

you know, because I thought you just threw this, I I did the work that

interested.

interested.

I I hope I'm not sounding too self aggrandizing here, but it's actually very common occurrence, you know, in terms of like who gets a piece of the song for doing what, you know, exactly. It's one of the longest running things in the music business and less than that,

I I hope I'm not sounding too self aggrandizing here, but it's actually very common occurrence, you know, in terms of like who gets a piece of the song for doing what, you know, exactly. It's one of the longest running things in the music business and less than that,

and it never stopped, it, never stopped, it never stopped. But I also love libre tango, because I love the accordion solo in there. There's a great atmosphere to libre tango. Yeah. And the groove that just, it's like a tank. It has that tango feel, yeah. For anyone familiar with the music of Piazzolla hearing how you guys managed to just like reshape it and adapted to that context. Just makes it that much more brilliant. But jean paul was the one that brought that end and I think everyone at first was like, and then I thought,

and it never stopped, it, never stopped, it never stopped. But I also love libre tango, because I love the accordion solo in there. There's a great atmosphere to libre tango. Yeah. And the groove that just, it's like a tank. It has that tango feel, yeah. For anyone familiar with the music of Piazzolla hearing how you guys managed to just like reshape it and adapted to that context. Just makes it that much more brilliant. But jean paul was the one that brought that end and I think everyone at first was like, and then I thought,

yeah, give me a, you know, give me a couple of days, let me see what I can do with the lyrics. You know writing a lyric to that melody.

yeah, give me a, you know, give me a couple of days, let me see what I can do with the lyrics. You know writing a lyric to that melody.

And uh and so I I think he was, I thought Grace sang it really well

And uh and so I I think he was, I thought Grace sang it really well

before

before

him hanging around my door

him hanging around my door

like a home

like a home

stealing for the brain.

stealing for the brain.

Like the night

Like the night

waiting for the day.

waiting for the day.

Strange.

Strange.

He shadows me back home.

He shadows me back home.

Mm hmm,

Mm hmm,

rainy nights Hoffmann.

rainy nights Hoffmann.

The reason you

The reason you

big drifting from the bar,

big drifting from the bar,

don't touch on

don't touch on

fine,

fine,

enjoy a ballot.

enjoy a ballot.

And it's funny I was living in London at the time and everywhere I went in europe, I was touring and everywhere I went. I'd go into a restaurant and it was to be playing. So you know, we did our job. I can imagine that playing in every restaurant in europe. For sure. Yeah.

And it's funny I was living in London at the time and everywhere I went in europe, I was touring and everywhere I went. I'd go into a restaurant and it was to be playing. So you know, we did our job. I can imagine that playing in every restaurant in europe. For sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't get paid from every restaurant.

I didn't get paid from every restaurant.

So, um so, so again, do you have these, these records that you guys just made under these interesting circumstances? Oh, I always wondered it was probably not in the same month, but warm leatherette was recorded at compass point

So, um so, so again, do you have these, these records that you guys just made under these interesting circumstances? Oh, I always wondered it was probably not in the same month, but warm leatherette was recorded at compass point

in 1980. Around the time that a C. D. C. Was there to do back in black. I always wondered if

in 1980. Around the time that a C. D. C. Was there to do back in black. I always wondered if

you guys ever like bumped into each other there or something.

you guys ever like bumped into each other there or something.

I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were really nice. But the most interesting person that I met down there and the Stones came down, you know, all this and whatever.

I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were really nice. But the most interesting person that I met down there and the Stones came down, you know, all this and whatever.

And but

And but

I remember one time going into the studio and said, and I heard this music and I hear this, get back boogaloo, get back, where are you going to? And I thought, what the fucks that ringo? She was ringo and Harry Nilsson. Right, my goodness. So

I remember one time going into the studio and said, and I heard this music and I hear this, get back boogaloo, get back, where are you going to? And I thought, what the fucks that ringo? She was ringo and Harry Nilsson. Right, my goodness. So

I just look in and it's like 1:00 PM, right?

I just look in and it's like 1:00 PM, right?

And I I just look in and I see Harry Nilsson and put on a lot of weight because he was drinking a lot, you know, and the lost weekend never stopped for those two.

And I I just look in and I see Harry Nilsson and put on a lot of weight because he was drinking a lot, you know, and the lost weekend never stopped for those two.

Yeah, and and and he had what will ringo is completely clean now, you know, he doesn't know. But there was a bottle of Jack Daniels, you know, which is half full. And so they had already started.

Yeah, and and and he had what will ringo is completely clean now, you know, he doesn't know. But there was a bottle of Jack Daniels, you know, which is half full. And so they had already started.

And I went in and I really liked Harry Nilsson immediately, I loved his, his sense of humor. And then Grace came in

And I went in and I really liked Harry Nilsson immediately, I loved his, his sense of humor. And then Grace came in

and at this point Grace was really into, he was into boxing and hand held the whole health thing

and at this point Grace was really into, he was into boxing and hand held the whole health thing

and she came in and Harry Nilsson sat there and she went, what are you doing? You know, you're drinking, you know, uh liquor at one o'clock in the afternoon, you're gonna kill yourself. She said, don't you get any exercise? And Harry Nilsson remember him saying,

and she came in and Harry Nilsson sat there and she went, what are you doing? You know, you're drinking, you know, uh liquor at one o'clock in the afternoon, you're gonna kill yourself. She said, don't you get any exercise? And Harry Nilsson remember him saying,

of course, I get exercise, I get up and I sit down

of course, I get exercise, I get up and I sit down

and I thought he's my hero, oh my goodness. But then what happened was I got a call from my girlfriend in uh in London. She said Lennon has just been shot.

and I thought he's my hero, oh my goodness. But then what happened was I got a call from my girlfriend in uh in London. She said Lennon has just been shot.

And uh

And uh

That night around 3:00 I heard this helicopter and he was picking up Ringo and Harry Nilsson and taking them to Miami to get a plane to go up to New York. And I remember it was like a whole day that I didn't know if he was dead

That night around 3:00 I heard this helicopter and he was picking up Ringo and Harry Nilsson and taking them to Miami to get a plane to go up to New York. And I remember it was like a whole day that I didn't know if he was dead

or he'd just been shot.

or he'd just been shot.

And when we found out it's just like

And when we found out it's just like

it's hard to get any work done when you hear some news like that. Yeah

it's hard to get any work done when you hear some news like that. Yeah

wow. So it's so Ringo and Harry were actually on the island

wow. So it's so Ringo and Harry were actually on the island

And that's interesting. That was like, you know an interesting period like I thought 1980 Nassau Bahamas. So I made the AC. D. C. connection. I didn't realize that Ringo and Nielsen were there as well.

And that's interesting. That was like, you know an interesting period like I thought 1980 Nassau Bahamas. So I made the AC. D. C. connection. I didn't realize that Ringo and Nielsen were there as well.

Well they weren't there at the same time as a C. D. C. Yeah he was a few months earlier. Yeah but a main stay there also was robert Palmer robert Palmer was

Well they weren't there at the same time as a C. D. C. Yeah he was a few months earlier. Yeah but a main stay there also was robert Palmer robert Palmer was

he lived opposite the compass point studios

he lived opposite the compass point studios

and him and his wife and his child

and him and his wife and his child

James Jim who I

James Jim who I

who I played with since robert passed away. I played on the bottom all album and toured with bob a mall with with Jim Palmer who's a great percussionist and a really good writer

who I played with since robert passed away. I played on the bottom all album and toured with bob a mall with with Jim Palmer who's a great percussionist and a really good writer

and robert um

and robert um

you know I I don't think he used slime Robbie or the, the old stars. And so the sound was was predominantly roberts sound, you know, he brought in

you know I I don't think he used slime Robbie or the, the old stars. And so the sound was was predominantly roberts sound, you know, he brought in

his own musicians, I think he was wally on a couple of things and

his own musicians, I think he was wally on a couple of things and

but he was very inventive,

but he was very inventive,

it was, you know, he was always trying for new things and

it was, you know, he was always trying for new things and

and he was he was just, he he was a sweet man, you know, he was very intense. I I would see robert in the studio

and he was he was just, he he was a sweet man, you know, he was very intense. I I would see robert in the studio

a lot and sometimes we would get together around his place and and just play

a lot and sometimes we would get together around his place and and just play

and

and

we did a couple of sessions, we did one session which I'd love to find the tape. It was,

we did a couple of sessions, we did one session which I'd love to find the tape. It was,

it was with with lee scratch perry who was a genius, you know, and uh and we did things like, hold on, I'm coming, you know, Sam and Dave song and

it was with with lee scratch perry who was a genius, you know, and uh and we did things like, hold on, I'm coming, you know, Sam and Dave song and

and we we had a great jam, we were jamming for about six hours and I don't know where those tapes have gone, but

and we we had a great jam, we were jamming for about six hours and I don't know where those tapes have gone, but

it really should be released, you know, because it was a joy. I also sang with him

it really should be released, you know, because it was a joy. I also sang with him

on the joe cocker album, Sheffield Steel and I remember joe coming down and there's a couple of tracks, there's a couple of grooves on the album that I just think

on the joe cocker album, Sheffield Steel and I remember joe coming down and there's a couple of tracks, there's a couple of grooves on the album that I just think

those are magical and there's a bill with, with the song that we do and the Robbie's baseline is like from heaven, The groove is almost like a staple singers, you know, I'll take you there

those are magical and there's a bill with, with the song that we do and the Robbie's baseline is like from heaven, The groove is almost like a staple singers, you know, I'll take you there

staring at shadows

staring at shadows

on the wall.

on the wall.

Mhm

Mhm

wishing there was someone out of the car?

wishing there was someone out of the car?

Someone might understand

Someone might understand

rubella. So help.

rubella. So help.

I think one song that I I

I think one song that I I

I don't get embarrassed to listen to

I don't get embarrassed to listen to

is um

is um

a random human song funny enough called Marie and it was just sly

a random human song funny enough called Marie and it was just sly

Robbie and Wally on the piano and me on

Robbie and Wally on the piano and me on

guitar and we did it in one take And I thought we captured the mood of the song and I thought jo sang it beautifully. So that's what happened with that.

guitar and we did it in one take And I thought we captured the mood of the song and I thought jo sang it beautifully. So that's what happened with that.

Mm hmm,

Mm hmm,

mm hmm.

mm hmm.

Like a princess.

Like a princess.

Oh no.

Oh no.

Right.

Right.

With your help out.

With your help out.

I will never

I will never

Funky.

Funky.

Mhm.

Mhm.

I'm drunk now baby.

I'm drunk now baby.

But I've got to be

But I've got to be

mm hmm.

mm hmm.

I never could tell you

I never could tell you

what you mean to me.

what you mean to me.

But I love you

But I love you

the first time I saw you and I'll always love

the first time I saw you and I'll always love

Hugh Marie.

Hugh Marie.

Right?

Right?

I loved you the first time I saw you.

I loved you the first time I saw you.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

And I always

And I always

I love Hugh Marie.

I love Hugh Marie.

So you knock out all these records and these first two grace albums.

So you knock out all these records and these first two grace albums.

And then uh does Chris Blackwell say, hey Barry, do you want to make a solo album?

And then uh does Chris Blackwell say, hey Barry, do you want to make a solo album?

No,

No,

what happened was Chris was going out with this lady called Natalie Dylan who was the wife of Alain Alain Delon And

what happened was Chris was going out with this lady called Natalie Dylan who was the wife of Alain Alain Delon And

I think Robbie had been arrested. Right?

I think Robbie had been arrested. Right?

And because he was doing some session in new york and he sent his roadie

And because he was doing some session in new york and he sent his roadie

back

back

with

with

his base is so called base. He said listen man can you take this back you know because I got my other bs here, I don't mean me don't d did you take it back? And so this guy said okay now they all knew Robbie in Jamaica and so when he walked in he was like yeah Robbie how are you doing?

his base is so called base. He said listen man can you take this back you know because I got my other bs here, I don't mean me don't d did you take it back? And so this guy said okay now they all knew Robbie in Jamaica and so when he walked in he was like yeah Robbie how are you doing?

But they didn't know this guy and so they stopped him,

But they didn't know this guy and so they stopped him,

I said can you open the guitar case? And so he opened the guitar case and there was an Uzi in it. Oh my goodness. Yeah and so the guy was immediately arrested

I said can you open the guitar case? And so he opened the guitar case and there was an Uzi in it. Oh my goodness. Yeah and so the guy was immediately arrested

and so then the next thing they were waiting for Robbie to come back and Robbie was immediately arrested and he was but he was putting gun court you know which is yeah and

and so then the next thing they were waiting for Robbie to come back and Robbie was immediately arrested and he was but he was putting gun court you know which is yeah and

and I think with chris connections and you know money can buy you everything as randy Newman says money can buy you money can buy you all the coke coke you know I don't know they say money can't buy you love in this world that will give you a half pound of cocaine and a 16 year old girl on september night.

and I think with chris connections and you know money can buy you everything as randy Newman says money can buy you money can buy you all the coke coke you know I don't know they say money can't buy you love in this world that will give you a half pound of cocaine and a 16 year old girl on september night.

That might not be love but it's alright. Yeah beautiful line and also incredibly true. Yes. So I thought I I think chris did some moving and shaking but I remember going asking Robbie I said Robbie I said you know you

That might not be love but it's alright. Yeah beautiful line and also incredibly true. Yes. So I thought I I think chris did some moving and shaking but I remember going asking Robbie I said Robbie I said you know you

you're in I think he was in there for about

you're in I think he was in there for about

Maybe 2, 3 months or something like that. I said what was it like? He said

Maybe 2, 3 months or something like that. I said what was it like? He said

there was about 100 people in one room.

there was about 100 people in one room.

I was going wow! I said how did you exist? He said there was one bed

I was going wow! I said how did you exist? He said there was one bed

and he said that was mine

and he said that was mine

and sour. Okay

and sour. Okay

all right. You know he had bless him but he's the real thing, he's a real gangster, you know what I mean? But also a wonderful musician and a wonderful person, I love him.

all right. You know he had bless him but he's the real thing, he's a real gangster, you know what I mean? But also a wonderful musician and a wonderful person, I love him.

And so like so what's the genesis? Uh so sorry I I got off track there and so we were we were there all the musicians were there and it was Natalie who turned around and said barry, why don't you make an album? And I think my response was because I I don't really want to I don't know. And Chris was like well there's you know you've got some studio time here

And so like so what's the genesis? Uh so sorry I I got off track there and so we were we were there all the musicians were there and it was Natalie who turned around and said barry, why don't you make an album? And I think my response was because I I don't really want to I don't know. And Chris was like well there's you know you've got some studio time here

and so we spent about three days you know just going in and doing these tracks and Alex was there

and so we spent about three days you know just going in and doing these tracks and Alex was there

and Alex helped me out with

and Alex helped me out with

the vocals and stuff and I just kind of dragged these tracks together. My favorite track on the album is me again being drunk, I don't drink by the way but

the vocals and stuff and I just kind of dragged these tracks together. My favorite track on the album is me again being drunk, I don't drink by the way but

I did an ira song and it's just me playing

I did an ira song and it's just me playing

acoustic guitar and singing called

acoustic guitar and singing called

yeah the ball fenian men. And I remember being kind of nervous because I looked up and I see chris and Tina from talking heads and they're all in the studio and they're all looking at me and I'm getting I'm even more nervous now. And so I went up to my room which was behind the studio,

yeah the ball fenian men. And I remember being kind of nervous because I looked up and I see chris and Tina from talking heads and they're all in the studio and they're all looking at me and I'm getting I'm even more nervous now. And so I went up to my room which was behind the studio,

I had a huge slug of rum

I had a huge slug of rum

and I had a, you know, a couple of puffs or whatever

and I had a, you know, a couple of puffs or whatever

and then came back and did the track and I remember Alex, we've got it

and then came back and did the track and I remember Alex, we've got it

and I said really? And so I remember going in listening to me, I'm like I'm slurring my words here, you know, I'm not drunk. I just said no, you can't tell. It's okay,

and I said really? And so I remember going in listening to me, I'm like I'm slurring my words here, you know, I'm not drunk. I just said no, you can't tell. It's okay,

mm hmm.

mm hmm.

Mhm.

Mhm.

The plans.

The plans.

I'm mad

I'm mad

to no woman,

to no woman,

Good luck in young nettles.

Good luck in young nettles.

So I was coming.

So I was coming.

I'll listen

I'll listen

to the sound. She was coming.

to the sound. She was coming.

Oyo,

Oyo,

Gloria lee

Gloria lee

to the bull.

to the bull.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

And

Tess 50 long years

Tess 50 long years

since I saw the moon being

since I saw the moon being

on strong manly forms.

on strong manly forms.

And then I

And then I

with hope gleaming.

with hope gleaming.

I see them again

I see them again

sure through all my daydreaming

sure through all my daydreaming

Oh yeah,

Oh yeah,

Gloria lee

Gloria lee

to the boom

to the boom

feel

feel

some died by

some died by

blends,

blends,

some die

some die

with a stranger

with a stranger

and wise men.

and wise men.

I have told

I have told

they're cold.

they're cold.

It was a faith.

It was a faith.

But they stood by

But they stood by

fear. Danger.

fear. Danger.

Gloria

Gloria

really

really

To the Ball.

To the Ball.

So, so you made that solo album which I like a lot um which I think

So, so you made that solo album which I like a lot um which I think

needs to be rediscovered. There's also that great cover of the dan Hicks tune. How did you choose that song?

needs to be rediscovered. There's also that great cover of the dan Hicks tune. How did you choose that song?

This was this was weird, right one, I heard dan Hicks and I loved him, you know, because it was something different and I fell in love with the two chicks who was singing with him,

This was this was weird, right one, I heard dan Hicks and I loved him, you know, because it was something different and I fell in love with the two chicks who was singing with him,

you know, and and and

you know, and and and

I heard

I heard

I heard I scare myself and for me, it was like the first psychedelic violin solo I've ever heard, which is at the end, you know, even before jean Luc Ponty,

I heard I scare myself and for me, it was like the first psychedelic violin solo I've ever heard, which is at the end, you know, even before jean Luc Ponty,

you know, with David Laflamme, if I'm not mistaken for a Beautiful Day,

you know, with David Laflamme, if I'm not mistaken for a Beautiful Day,

which is a psychedelic jazz rock band led by a violin. Yeah, and I, I heard that and it and it stuck with me and I thought, what a great song, because I was, you know, when I was asked to do the album, I didn't know what material I was gonna do. And so I thought I'm going to try this and so I tried it and when Ireland put out the the album, they put this out when they made singles, you know, And then I see at the bottom line, I'm living in new york at this point, I see Dan Hicks is playing and so I think great, I'm gonna go down

which is a psychedelic jazz rock band led by a violin. Yeah, and I, I heard that and it and it stuck with me and I thought, what a great song, because I was, you know, when I was asked to do the album, I didn't know what material I was gonna do. And so I thought I'm going to try this and so I tried it and when Ireland put out the the album, they put this out when they made singles, you know, And then I see at the bottom line, I'm living in new york at this point, I see Dan Hicks is playing and so I think great, I'm gonna go down

because my single is being released next week, right now, dan,

because my single is being released next week, right now, dan,

I had a

I had a

had a drinking problem also, and he did that old, you know, water in the glass on stage when it was actually, you know, Stahle something and you know, and so as the show's going on, he was getting a little sloppier whatever, and after the show, I remember

had a drinking problem also, and he did that old, you know, water in the glass on stage when it was actually, you know, Stahle something and you know, and so as the show's going on, he was getting a little sloppier whatever, and after the show, I remember

he came off stage, this was at the bottom line, he came off stage and went, went to the bar and I thought

he came off stage, this was at the bottom line, he came off stage and went, went to the bar and I thought

I'm going to go up to him and give him the single, you know, and I thought he'd be really pleased with this, you know? And so I tapped him on the shoulder and he was like, kind of unapproachable, you know, he was at the bar, he was really into serious drinking. It was like, you come near me, I'll kill you,

I'm going to go up to him and give him the single, you know, and I thought he'd be really pleased with this, you know? And so I tapped him on the shoulder and he was like, kind of unapproachable, you know, he was at the bar, he was really into serious drinking. It was like, you come near me, I'll kill you,

you know? And so anyway, I went up to him and said, listen

you know? And so anyway, I went up to him and said, listen

and down over,

and down over,

I've recorded one of your songs and I'd love to know what you think about it, if you can give it a listen when you have the chance? And he turned around and he looked at the single frisbee and it over the audience. Oh God.

I've recorded one of your songs and I'd love to know what you think about it, if you can give it a listen when you have the chance? And he turned around and he looked at the single frisbee and it over the audience. Oh God.

And so I had, I had two things that I could do, I could cry or I could just crack up laughing. And I remember cracking up laughing, I was, and I just said to him, I didn't expect that

And so I had, I had two things that I could do, I could cry or I could just crack up laughing. And I remember cracking up laughing, I was, and I just said to him, I didn't expect that

and then walked off and that was it. So, I I never got to know what he thought of it, you know? But

and then walked off and that was it. So, I I never got to know what he thought of it, you know? But

and uh what did you think when thomas Dolby also covered it two years later, it was over, you know, I I've actually gotten over making uh you know, they were talking about making another album and I wasn't really and I was I was

and uh what did you think when thomas Dolby also covered it two years later, it was over, you know, I I've actually gotten over making uh you know, they were talking about making another album and I wasn't really and I was I was

I think the two of you would both cover that within two years of each other.

I think the two of you would both cover that within two years of each other.

Yeah, I think his was a success where his mind didn't really take off when he was coming off. She was she blinded me with science. And you know, they did put that out as a single, which I don't know

Yeah, I think his was a success where his mind didn't really take off when he was coming off. She was she blinded me with science. And you know, they did put that out as a single, which I don't know

why like that particular song for him after that hit he had, but it's a great tune and

why like that particular song for him after that hit he had, but it's a great tune and

it really turned

it really turned

hearing like, especially his version, you know, got a little bit of place. So I think it turned a lot of people onto dan hicks, which was, which was cool. Yeah. Which, which is definitely good enough.

hearing like, especially his version, you know, got a little bit of place. So I think it turned a lot of people onto dan hicks, which was, which was cool. Yeah. Which, which is definitely good enough.

It's kind of like because some of these sounds like

It's kind of like because some of these sounds like

I see people all the time just like flogging it away in the studio, spending hours in the studio and trying to come up with something half as compelling as say, till the doctor gets back for example.

I see people all the time just like flogging it away in the studio, spending hours in the studio and trying to come up with something half as compelling as say, till the doctor gets back for example.

Mhm

Mhm

mm

mm

mm hmm.

mm hmm.

Yeah,

Yeah,

just breathe on the ocean.

just breathe on the ocean.

Beat me

Beat me