Drake Sues Kendrick Lamar Over Diss Track Loon Calls Out Jay-Z, Big 3 Debate, & Drake’s Business Moves

Published Dec 23, 2024, 12:00 PM

Building on recent developments, Loon dissects Drake’s high-stakes lawsuits against UMG and the complex “zero sum” nature of industry business. Loon connects these legal battles to Kendrick Lamar’s maneuvers—exploring how Kendrick might have leveraged Future, the Southern hip-hop scene, and the cultural shifts sparked by the South to strengthen his position while challenging Drake’s dominance. From the behind-the-scenes contracts and shifting industry alliances to Joe Budden’s perspective on Drake’s potential exit from the game, Loon uncovers the layers of strategy, negotiation, and influence at play. He examines Drake’s confidence, his tour commitments, and the legendary Cash Money legacy that shaped his career. He also revisits Kendrick’s Super Bowl halftime show announcement and the intriguing silence on collaborations, as well as Lil Wayne’s expectations and how the South’s pivotal role reshaped these hip-hop battles. This episode takes you through the full spectrum—BG and Turk’s beef, the impact of consumer data in label negotiations, the global influence Drake wields, and how streaming platforms rely on artists like him to drive change. It’s a raw, unfiltered look into how these titans navigate industry complexities, control narratives, and chart their paths. Whether you’re interested in the real reasons behind Drake’s lawsuits, what Kendrick’s next move might be, or how Future’s cultural footprint affects everyone’s bottom line, this conversation offers a front-row seat to hip-hop history in motion. 00:00:00 - Kendrick’s Diss to Lil Wayne: The GNX Album Bombshell 00:00:25 - Why Artists Need to Think Smarter 00:00:39 - What Makes a Perfect Album Intro (Meek Mill Reference) 00:01:00 - Ad-Libs and Creativity: Setting the Tone 00:01:21 - Drake vs. UMG: Lawsuits, Drama, and Defamation Claims 00:02:18 - The Hidden World of Music Industry Politics 00:02:50 - Emails That Can Make or Break Careers 00:03:17 - What’s Really Behind Drake’s Legal Battles 00:04:33 - The Super Bowl Effect on Kendrick vs. Drake 00:05:05 - Business Stakes of Hip-Hop’s Biggest Rivalry 00:06:35 - Joe Budden Speaks on Drake’s Exit from UMG 00:08:20 - Why Business Growth Is Missing from Major Artists 00:10:23 - Drake’s Untapped Potential as a Mogul 00:12:28 - Kendrick’s Strategy: Why He’s Beating Drake 00:14:02 - Rihanna’s Pivot: Lessons for Drake and Kendrick 00:15:14 - Kendrick’s Super Bowl Move: A New Orleans Power Play? 00:16:05 - Kendrick’s Lyrics: A Bold Challenge to Lil Wayne 00:19:33 - Kendrick’s Edge Over Drake in Hip-Hop’s Power Struggle 00:21:51 - Why the South Is the Key to Kendrick’s Strategy 00:22:52 - Future’s Role in Hip-Hop’s Biggest Battle 00:24:05 - Collaborations That Could Take Down Drake 00:27:04 - Kendrick’s Calculated Moves vs. Drake’s Missteps 00:28:26 - Is Drake Losing the War Behind Closed Doors? 00:30:03 - The Legal and Business Drama Behind Drake’s Lawsuits 00:32:00 - How Drake Helped Build Spotify and Apple Music 00:33:37 - The Financial Forces Driving Hip-Hop’s Biggest Names 00:34:36 - Why Drake’s Contracts Are Holding Him Back 00:39:30 - The Hidden Power of Advances in the Music Business 00:41:23 - How Labels Control Artists Like Drake 00:42:33 - Drake’s True Value: The Data Tells All 00:44:31 - Alliances That Could Save Drake’s Legacy 00:46:00 - Why Drake’s Career Lacks a Mogul Moment 00:47:31 - The $400 Million Question: What’s Next for Drake? 00:50:10 - Drake vs. Jay-Z: Two Strategies, One Winner 00:54:14 - How Consistency Builds Industry Giants 00:56:06 - Drake’s Leaked Frustrations with Universal 00:59:34 - Why Drake Might Be Holding Himself Back Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

All right, So in closing on Kendrick Lamart, I just want to reiterate what my points were about the GNX album. What I think about is his dis to Wayne, him flashing little Wayne the cards and kind of let him know, you know, I'm a neutralize that one power you got. You know, you got a certain power by the respect. But I know how to neutralize. I know how to make them look at it a certain way with this narrative attached to it, the same way I did your little homing Again. I think Wayne, in his current form rapping, he can do that all day. This is more than a rap. You have to be a cerebral thinker. You got to have peak perspective to operate in some of these arenas, and I would think Wayne would need help from that perspective as it pertains to structuring a plan. But artists pay attention to intros. Make sure your intro is always on point. It is a vocal point of your album. If we even look at Dreams and Nightmares from Meek, some of these intros are the reason that album sets that in tone. Drake does a great intro like please you guys. Pay attention to intros. Also, ad lives, intros ad lives, and get creative.

You don't have to change your tone.

Maybe you close your mouth when you're saying it to make it sound like that fifty cent vibe. You know, you got to just get creative. And that's just something I'm giving the artists from my perspective, you know, I just want to install things in the game as we speak. And so now I want to move on to the lawsuits that Drake has filed against UMG. I want to have a high level conversation. I don't want to really deal with the casual conversations. I don't want to want to cater to the casual listener. I don't even want to cater to the industry pundits.

I literally want to have.

A conversation surrounding business and the developments that we are seeing taking place up to this minute. As of right now, Drake has two different lawsuits out on UMG, one of those being for defamation for the Not Like Us, and that one came later after him a leg in the fact that they have pumped and ran up not Like Us, which is a song by Kendrick Lamar that not only defamed him but spoke to the formula that's been used in the music business since the music business inception. I think today some people this will be the first time that they hear and learn about what a zero sum total means, and also they'll get a glimpse as to what it's like behind the scenes in the music business.

For me, I'm gonna kind of try to talk about the fact that.

Some of these practices are prevalent in the business, and also as a company, you have a responsibility to allocate the resources in a way where the people that are on that company feel that they have had a fair shot along with your flagship people or you know, you have to handle those things in a way man, because you can get sued. I remember Charlemagne coming on the show and telling y'all like, certain things in emails can literally get you sued. And this is not even in contracts. This is just in emails, and so you're bind it to your word in this business. Drake being someone that has benefited off the formula that he's now having in question, I think this is going to be a very interesting ride to see exactly what we end up at moving forward. This thing is so layered, right, This is a very layered circumstance, once you get out of your feelings. Now, I want to be clear on the front end and say, these lawsuits that Drake have filed, it's all about how you view them.

Right.

If I view these like the attack on Kendrick from losing the battle, I don't like them and it's suckers shit. If I view this like there's some business behind it, I got to take a deeper look at it. I don't want to just dismiss the fact that, hey, hold on, woa WHOA. Maybe some of these industry people who Drake has been in bed with has promised some things that they didn't deliver on. Because if it was just defamation and only defamation, that would speak to the Kendrick Lamar losing other battle. But there's some other things in this lawsuit that I think we may want to address, we may want to look into, and so for the sake of conversation, I won't explore because my job is to what deposit into the game, to elevate the game, take it to his peak. I'm pushing Pete pete perspective. You see what I'm saying. The first thing I said when the lawsuit came out was it feels nasty. This it feels nasty. It feels like it's trying to stop not like us, for any of the industry people that's ever set to cease and desist. I don't think that any of you guys have any room to speak about it's not like us. Debacle that Drake finds himself in because he's playing the same kind of games that you guys play, right the industry for certain games, I don't really think that.

I don't know how I feel about it.

I mean, there's a lot of business at steak, there's a lot of business at stake.

These claims are unfounded.

It felt like Drake wanted to stop Kendrick Lamarv from being able to perform, not like us at the super Bowl. It felt like he knew that there will be a lot to deal with. That's a lot to deal with. Everybody that don't Everyone in the world is watching the super Bowl. People that don't even deal with rap, don't care about rap. All of these individuals are watching the super Bowl. I cannot allow you to get up there and do that. Not like us. The only way you tell white people that is serious is you send paperwork. They don't give a damn about I'll let that shit, y'all. A nigga had tomot you better send some paperwork NFL man, they don't bar none. So now it makes you think, Hi, is jay z relationship with the NFL if they're getting sent paperwork, like why would you do this? I'm wondering if jay Z is in a position to where he's been questioned like is there any cause for concern? Is going to be able to do everything that we anticipating them to do. And maybe in the back office they're looking at all of this like publicity because there's no way that the NFL is going to be held accountable. J is probably saying, yo, that the song is not gonna be played. The paperwork is saying the song's not gonna be played. Let's not worry about that now. Everything that they're doing is just promotion. We may not never come out and say the song is not going to be played because that generates the eyeballs. Right, and it's still again, I told you when I came in, you pay with your eyeballs. You don't got to bring me fire doll. Let's just look, I figure way to get the money out.

You pay with your eyeballs.

I always remember I said that I want to take you guys into what Joe Budden podcast was speaking about as it pertains to Drake's exit. I think this is a kind of great conversation. I'm gonna add our perspective to it. Let's roll to tape.

That very short listen.

You know how like in street world it's either death or hell, and then there's that short list that made it out with some money stashed.

Away somewhere and is doing it.

This is the same as that I don't never I never want to hear Wayne, Drake, and Nikki in comparison to Hole, Rihanna and Kanye for reasons such as this were here. Now we're not guessing and speculating no more. Who kids, what song you like? Is what I'm saying. We way past.

Let me ask you a question. So who's making hot song?

Hoe found a way, He went in, saw what was happening, took the information, got buddy buddy with the people he needed to, and then left to build his own hold foot the good fight and went to that meeting with Leor in the back room that Dame is still mad at and got all his shit and not talking about that.

This is with what Hove did, is that when he broke off made these different business ventures, they were still putting money back into the man's pocket in one way or another. Title is putting money back in doing the NFL entertainment shit, is still putting money back into their pockets. So while he was saying, fuck you, I'm doing my own thing, he was still like, yo, but here's.

I just had it. I just think he learned a different thing with regards the leverage.

There's a little mo.

Strategic Let me see if I can bring this in some so a lot being said, a lot of people have a lot of talking points, and I want to address some of the things that actually also being said online about this whole Drake exit, what he's done, what he hasn't done while he's ran alongside Universal, because I will admit it has been alarming the lack of developing business that's running alongside the biggest artists in the world. But I want to give another perspective on that. I want to say, well, hold on, we're trying to get this formula right. This is how they got Kanye, this is how they get everyone else. When you start throwing more and more stuff into the So if y'all saying, bring one pile for two dollars, I'm gonna continue to bring one pie for two dollars until I reached the twenty dollar mall that we have agreed upon. Now this is gonna be important later on into this conversation because I'm here to say not the defamation part of whatever Drake is talking about, but I'm here to speak to the lawsuit on the record labels and speak to the formula that I believe that they had in place.

I think that.

Drake is feeling like he's dealing with deception and have been for the last decade or so. And the reason I say that is because of the lack of developing business running alongside someone with that kind of star power and that kind of leverage in the market that's making other people's careers like I'm gonna breathe on you and you'll go on to it for ten years. I'm gonna breathe on that. That's gonna do good. I'm gonna wear at Jordan. That's gonna go. But I haven't developed anything on my own. I truly believe that's because the business on the back end hasn't allowed me to do so. When I look at Drake, I'm saying, maybe Drake is not unloading all of his ideas on purpose, because Drake is of Jewish deity. There's no way in the world you're gonna make me believe that there's no one around him that number one understands the entertainment business and how to pivot from it, also how to capitalize on having the biggest brand in the world or one of the biggest brands in the world barring none. And then when you couple that with Drake hasn't even did any acting. He hasn't did any any real real business. I mean, He's took some checks of course along the way, but I'm talking about actually build something in the same way that Jay Z and some of those guys. Do you hear people speak about Jay and his business acumen and how he diversified his portfolio while still rapping. I don't think he calls for it for Drake at this point, because right because I'm sticking to this formula, I'm gonna see how much I can get from this formula before I turn any of this other shit on that I can turn on now it's Drake, someone that may have too much confidence to think that they can never turn it off or it can't be turned off. I don't know if he's ignorant of thinking that you have them in your pocket. They're giving you deals that they haven't gave outever. You got Larry Jackson. That's saying that your catalog, Drake is worth more than the sixties, seventies and eighties music all put together. So you got a certain amount of value when you deal with Drake. When I look at the business of him, right, because you remember, Drake came in through j Prince or one of the Prince people. So let's be clear, Jake has worked hisself out of a lot of deals and worked from up under a lot. He was buried in bullshit deals. His talent just made him keep ripping contracts up. When you're that talented, that new in the game, and that valuable no matter which way you turn, there's likely some deception involved in some of these interactions.

Right.

They wanted me to learn from Baby. They wanted me to take it from Baby. But I seen what Baby and Wayne went through that scared me. They wanted me to go through printsing him the door. But I heard what scar facing them said when they deal.

They wanted me to go over there and mess with Jay, But I heard what Dame said, and I'm his competition. I might be.

You see, So Drake was in the hell of a position. You heard him talk right him, and Diddy was into it. I don't see him being someone that's a people person that know how to finess. You know, Jay know how to finess a little bit better. You know Jay can get it here in these rooms and at least make you feel like you will see me again. You may not never see him ever again, but why you here with me? It'll feel like I talk to you tomorrow. And so what you gotta remember is if I'm Drake and the jump shot is working, yo, if the jump shot is wet, my defense can left into the championship rounds. And guess what Drake is in the Championship rowns. The latter part fifteen sixteenth year, seventeen year, see these the championship rounds.

If you even can make it this.

Far with that little shit, y'all, Nigga would doing right if your raps can even get you fifteen years and you still going platinum in year sixteen, you still wanted the highest streaming people in year fourteen. These things are unprecedented, and it's a very small club of people that can even tell you how to navigate.

These things when it's time to funnel that in a different way, which is Hove gets all the credit for continuously finding the exit, continuously finding the exit all through.

So I mean, Rihanna, I'm not mad that she's never putting an alt mount. Why would you?

I left as the best, That body of work was the best, and now I'm making wazoo amounts of money by being who I am. That's how you take the equity that they build in you and funnel it back. That money is not in music for musicians. That's the other part.

Listen.

I don't come from a corporate background. So again, again, like I said on that Steve Stoules stage, all I have is hood nigga instincts. Any place that I worked or partnered with shit. One of the first things there was to learn and start rummaging an office about was how do y'all feel about a black person making a certain amount of money here?

And would you allow it? It starts there.

So let's jump back into this conversation about Little Wayne again, I want to reintroduce what I was speaking about with Kendrick and Lil Wayne. So for people who are not aware, Kendrick just dropped the album called gn X. What We're dealing with is a song called Whacked Out Murals For people who are not familiar with the scenario, Kendrick Lamar just was announced by the NFL and jay Z Rock Nation Sports that he would be the headline performer for the halftime show for the Super Bowl in February. This became a shock to some fans because the super Bowl is in New Orleans and Lil Wayne, being a monumental artist from the South, is also from New Orleans. Those expectations as to why Little Wayne should have got that position to do the super Bowl came from jay Z being at the head of making those decisions. And when you got one of yours in the room or on the board, you tend to think that they'll represent each coast of this thing of ours, which is hip hop. And so publicly, Wayne came out and he questioned the selection, and I believe Kendrick rightfully so felt the way about that. But I understood both sides because while Wayne came out. He didn't disrespect Kendrick. He just basically letting on his expectations. Andrew lamar Din comes on the song that we heard, which is the whacked Out Murals, and we can play that really quick.

Now they only want.

To congratulate me all this nigga's agitated. I'm just gladys on their faces quite frankly. Plenty of artists, but they outdated. Don't ask flows trying to convince me.

That you they favorite.

This is not for lyricis I swear it's not that.

If they say it's love, you've been lied to a couple of rules of engagement. Somemmer God, you riding in my gn next with Anita Baker and the team that it's gonna be speak a little fuck apologies.

I want to see up. Don't acknowledge me. Then maybe we confesse fear. Take it to the internet and take it there. Miss my uncle li Maine. He said that he would kill me or if I didn't make it. Now I'm possessed by a spirit and they can't take it. You used to bump the carters to you help my roly chained proud irony. I think my heart worked that Little Wayne down.

Whatever y'all call me, cry everybody questionable the line and got some mold post killing me. It was the edibles.

I couldn't believe it.

It was right for me to go shoot the bowl and now on you wanna congratulate me on because agitating, I'm just glad to showing the faces quite frankly play the artists, but they out dated on ass flows trying to convince me that you their favorite.

That those shots that you just heard.

Again, I told y'all earlier in the show, I believe him flashing Wayne in the same way he flashed Drake, like come over here with that, and I'm gonna bury you with this. I'm I'm gonna neutralize you and then I'm exposed you and then I'm gonna create a narrative on you. So stay clear from that. I think that's Kendrick kind of showing his teeth like a dog, just showing him like, oh you look over here, you see what I'm on. Stay clear.

Now.

I still believe Wayne to be able to run into that fire. I don't know how far it can go. But I found the clip what Joe Budden was speaking about Little Wayne and Kendrick roll to tape.

Yo before we leave it, Kendrick ship, I am hearing that somebody went in the studio after they heard this album.

Mm hmmmm, I wonder who that would be.

I'm hearing it that say somebody. I'm hearing it.

Somebody picked up the phone, tried tried to call and see what the energy was. Hearing the Kendrick didn't answer. Now, I'm I'm going into booth. You have until I get in that booth to send me back. I want to both. Let's stay there for a second. Yes, I'm hearing it. Wayne went in the booth.

Who oh.

What Wayne Verse in his entire career, tells you he ready to dance.

That's all I'm saying. Pointing is rhaps city freestyle. They talking the.

One allowed on the five hundred and four. What he said, I don't have time to deal with Willie the squid. That's not gonna work against Kendrick. It's fired to you here, Kendrick. I'm just saying, that's not elite battle rapper bars.

He killed your son on the street like in your honor.

Right.

He didn't engage and win. He took your protege a left you silent throughout the process and literally sliced and diced him in in front of public consumption.

I want to I want to stop right there, because either I'm missing something or we're not watching the same events take place. Let's zoom out for a minute and deal with the job that Kendrick has done, as it pertains to Drake, what I need the South to know though all my rap niggas, all my people getting money, my business folk or the label heads, the execs, or the people that make decisions at Netflix that just come from the South, the people that at Fox News, the people that see and then everyone involved in the culture, Amazon, anywhere you work at where you are a decision maker and you come from the South, pay attention to these things because history will be ridden by the winners. When I hear some of my media counterparts, some of the people that's also in the industry with me, speak about Kendrick Lamar and the top tier performance that he is done. As it pertains to his back and forth with Drake, Kendrick has done a masterful job as it pertains to out maneuvering Drake in this battle. Drake started very over zealous, but you know what, me, dissolving content without context is far fetched. So I need to bring this and wrap this back around. Let's not ignore the ingredients. Kendrick couldn't do it by itself. What you guys must know you gotta come through the South to get it done. Any power move in the music industry has to come through the South, even if that means we gonna be stupid enough and let our emotions put us in a position to hand it to another coast.

Right.

But what I didn't appreciate about what Kendrick done, and I got a lot of respect for Kendrick again doing a masterful job, is that Kendrick is standing on top of the hill and his fans are standing on top of the hill, and these industry pundits are sitting on top.

Of the hill like Kendrick done something.

Some of y'all are from the South, and y'all are not even recognizing the cogs that's in the engine. Kendrick came down and got on a future and metro booming song to diss Drake. Kendrick didn't snipe Drake from the West coast. He didn't get in snipe a position from the West coast. Kendrick had to get with the niggas from the South to remove Drake from his position. This is not a scenario what Kendrick went in there with his guns blaze and it just took some nigga down. This is Kendrick using the frustration of metro booming Future a bunch of other niggas, because I keep telling y'all, Future is the nigga bar, none of you niggas. And I'm from the South, so I know the importance of it. But I always hear the whispers of how you guys are leave out the South, leave out the futures, leave out the thugs, the qcps, the Master Pie's, the bird Man's, leave out all of this shit. When y'all talking, even the people that's from the South. You get in these positions and you become so industry that you see it through the lens of the industry. This is not the first time we've dealt with these kind of scenarios taking place, as it pertains to people needing the South's involvement to try to take Drake down. If you remember, young Thug came out on Push your Tea and said, why would you this this?

What are you doing?

You just this Drake on the song with me Pop smoking Gunner because over there by yourself, it ain't gonna get as much done as you needed to get done. So these guys recognize this is just an old place in a new playbook.

Kendrick knew.

Ay, if I'm gonna get that Drake, I'm gonna have to do it by way of the South. That's the only way it's gonna be powerful now, because if Kendrick would have got in the sniper position from the South and Future them then sign off on it, Metro and them then sign off on it with your whole wave, come with with that shit. If none of that signed out phon it, this fighter looked different. But the moment Kendrick get the momentum, what he say, he still won't say Future name. He didn't throw Future back on the album. He didn't throw Metro on the album. He don't never mention them when he says something about not like us.

So none of that.

They don't just bypass like that, like like that want to set up punch like that? What had the whole game woods it about Drake? Like that was the scenario where they say whoa future and everybody wha, What the fuck is wrong with Drake?

You got Rick Ross, you got Future Metro.

Man.

Everybody had came out and said, yo, man, we've been holding this for a while. We've been feeling the way for a while now, and finally we come to speak about it, you know. But they need a future, they need a dude. But now soon Kendrick get the momentumies. Fuck everybody used to be fuck that nigga. Na's plural? Is that coincidence? All of a sudden, Na's plural? Fuck everybody?

Now?

It wasn't fuck everybody when.

A nigga come way down south to get with Future Metro and ride that momentum. It wasn't fuck everybody then. And don't think out on here. Let me tell y'all something. I'm a nigga in the South. So all y'all there speaking about Southern shit and lying and all of that, don't know what you're talking about. It's gonna stop in twenty twenty five. I've stamped that. But I hear Future. I read what Future says when he says, damn, they gonna just jump on my song and big three meter death. They gonna get Big three meter Death.

Y'all gonna just.

Keep having conversation about Big Three and say, if I ain't the nigga putting belt the ass I donne dropped three times, these folks won't even get tired of me. Listen, I just made something go viral, and so you an yea man, I'm one of them niggas that's so culturally implant in this culture that none of y'all can outserf me. And when we get into the water, and you gotta be cooler than me, and I can make a one of you niggas look corny if I'm future, I can make any one of you rapping ass niggas look corny at the drop of a dime if I'm future, And you niggas gonna constantly keep Big Three in me to death and not mentioning me. And guess what, I was the only nigga on the mountain saying, YOA are from the South. What about future?

Yo? He got them hits?

Yo j came got him, Beyonce came, got him, Rihanna came, got him. What else he needed to do? He got them hits? What about Future? Oh, y'all gonna leave future out?

Huh? Same shit? I used to tell him about whar yo.

It's about damn near hundred packs future, damn near honey. Play what y'all nigga? Hey man, what y'all got going? Y'all gonna get bypass future? Huh, y'all gonna big three without even mentioning future. That's the subtle disc But when y'all need to reach my people, y'all gotta come give me. When y'all need to reach the club, y'all want to come hot live me. But I just don't want y'all to forget how we got here.

Man.

You know, the South play the pivotal role.

You know again, if Kendrick Lamar would have sat down in their sniper position from the west coast and shot at Drake as it pertains to these rap lyrics and this rap battle, I don't think Drake hits the ground on the first shot from nobody. I spoke about it with symbol. The scenario I give is the roy your rumble. When you got a force as big as Drake and the Royal Rumble, it's a kin to having someone in the in the ring like Andrea j of someone seven foot Shaquille O'Neill four hundred pounds. That's not going to be one person to throw him over the ropes. So oftentimes, if you watch the roy your Rumble or wrestling coming up, you will see will when an important character get in that ring, you'll have people that ain't even on the same team team up to get him out of the ring. That's how important it is that we need him out of the ring. We'll fight later, but first let's get this big, massive behemoth of a person out of our way and then let the best man win. It's almost like we agree that now one of us ain't better than him. I think I'm better than you, and you think you better than me, but we agree he better than both of us. So let's get him out of there, and then me and you can go with it and let the best man win and we'll be okay with that. You literally have that type of scenario when you ask me. I wanted to kind of recalibrate the conversation, right, because even with all the high callible work that Kendrick Lamar has done as it pertains to his battle with Drake, I just want to be clear how we got here, right. I want to move the conversation a little bit into this area because I think Drake was dealing with public confidence in private frustration. And it's easy to do this because when you get into this industry, see historically, Drake has used his connection with Lucien and the labels as his competitive advantage. Right now, nanny booboo, they don't treat me like they treat you. But what Drake didn't realize is when the music stopped, that's when the real game begins. I want to deal with a little bit with how we got here and why Drake hasn't exited at this point. We heard, we heard a couple of podcasters out there speak to yo, Drake stayed too long in the restaurant. He stayed too long in the game, he stayed too long in the meet, and he stayed too long in that position. I want to kind of ask some perspective to that, maybe even a little pushback. But I do think you're dealing with a dual narrative at this point. I don't think Drake was in a position to need to exit at this point. You know, I think a lot of us when we hear Drake filed in lawsuit, and let me get right to the lawsuit, If I see this lawsuit as damage control and not strategic, then I'm with a lot of the other people. You know, I'm not a fan of losing a battle and trying to trying to sue as it pertains to just on some damage control type of vibe. So if I see this as you going at Kendrick, then I don't really appreciate it in the same way, and I kind of see it as a bad thing. But if I see this as business and I'm to believe that something that's been going on behind the scenes, then I view this very different. We heard jay Z back in the day, right, and this is where I think all of you guys are misreading the play. We would even hear jay Z back in the day speak to how they done Michael, how they done Prince. I think, for whatever reason, Drake thought he wouldn't go through it. But if I'm to believe some of the narratives that's going on online that Drake is filing these suits and sending paperwork because he doesn't want Kendrick Lamar to rap out like us in front of a super Bowl audience. Again, the super Bowl audience is a totally different level, totally different level at some point, Man, you gotta do business. You can't be too cool all the way out, you know what I'm saying. And so there's a real question to be asked, especially to a lot of people that's in the industry, like how far do you let someone go as it pertains to defamation. It's crazy how far allegations can go. I mean, we ultimately we have no one that is ultimately as merged as any victims. No one has proved to be hurt harmed by Drake. It's saved by Drake. There's been nothing that's turned out or or been produced as it pertains to these allegations on Drake. Now, if you're asking loan the person that's doing business and media that understands how all this moves into tech because of the data aspect, and you're paying with your eyeballs. Again, there's layers of game. I can take a nigga the three four hundred million. If you're asking me if Drake's bottom line has been affected by not like us outside of the zero sum thing we're gonna get to, which is Drake telling the course that he understands the system that Spotify and the labels are in so when you're pushing one thing, it's impossible to push another because you can only push one thing at once. You can only push one artist at once in this system that they have, and this is that top tier system that he's speaking about. He's kind of mad that they use those resources against him, and a lot of people have said, and I know that he has benefited from said resources, but I benefit off what I built. Don't y'all have no don't y'all get recency, buyas and forget The boy built these platforms, not single handedly, but he played a massive role. The boy was one of the ones they would come give twenty million for twenty four hours. Y'all don't understand that because you don't understand what customer acquisition is, changing customer behavior is. You don't understand that they had to fight and use the most popular act of this generation.

They had to use our most popular act of.

Degeneration to change our consumer's behavior, stop him from going in the store, get them to not own in music and listening to it on the phone, and to the subscription model. Apple couldn't have done that on their own, and if they could, it would have took a long longer time. Spotify couldn't have done it on their own, and if they did it, could they would have took a long time. Jay Z seen that that's what they needed and he got involved with Title, but he went through so much red tape because they wanted a monopoly on the music industry. You will fight to get your piece of this pie because they've been having a locking key on it for fifty years. So I benefit if I'm Drake off what I built. I built Spotify, I built Apple. I was the one that Universal would leverage my catalog. You got Larry Jackson running around to this day saying that Drake's catalog is more important and more valuable from a business perspective to these labels than some entire genres. Taylor Swift keeps the light song, Drake keeps the light song. Some of these people are literally the driving force behind your bottom line. But the user acquisition and changing the customer behavior is invaluable. So the idea I built the platforms that y'all use.

Me.

If I'm Drake, I feel like that.

I feel like I built that fucking Spotify, and y'all gonna parade not like us on there like I and this is even before I feel down.

This is while I'm still the highest streaming artist.

So they playing in his face, and if I can see it from that perspective, I view it different. But if I see it, if I see Drake as a sore loser like a lot of these guys that's in media and in the industry and that's talking, that's a different perspective. And so again, it just kind of depends on what It just kind of depends on how I see the lawsuit. Again, I know the business behind it. I'm trying to give Drake the benefit of the doubt and kind of, you know, see what transpires and see exactly where he's at with it, how far he's willing to go.

And also the response from Universal.

You didn't see them come out and say that those claims are unfound, that he's biased. They did try to say that, Yo, the fans choose Yeah, but that ain't definitively saying that that lawsuit is BS. We're done working with him. He's invaluable asset, bro, He's a valuable asset. And for people that's out there that's acting like he's not, you're looking nasty because you're showing that you really hate this dude, Drake. And I'm new in the industry, so I don't know why anybody hate Drake. I'm coming in like, Yo, why everybody hate the Drake Nigga?

What happened? What did he do?

Because if truth be told, a lot of these dudes is assholes. A lot of these dudes is selfish. A lot of these dudes are full of shit. They ain't a relationship that's worth enough for me to compromise my ability to sleep at night. I ain't gonna be able to look over certain things. I ain't gonna be to deal with certain things because people got a level of fame, status, statue position with these people. I never liked Drake parading his institutional attributes around in.

The game.

Because it's the backing man, it's the backing It's a lot of people right now that don't know how to build shit, but they're in a position of power. Let's deal with Drake's exit. I spoke about it a little bit earlier, but I think I want to add a little bit more perspective to it. When we deal with Drake. I'm not sure that it was time for him to exit. I want to spend some time giving a brief detail as to Drake's career and what I think the business behind some of this looks like Number one, you got to remember that Drake came in in a scenario where he was involved with Cash Money Records. Cash Money has been what we grew up on, spent a staple in the game. It's a very deep rooted, resourceful, successful label. But Cash Money Records has a historical context that I'm not sure anyone that grew up in my area is missing. And they have a history of contract disputes, notably with Little Wayne, who actually found Drake, which I would say Drake saved litl wayne career because he was definitely in a position where he was definitely in a position where they had took all his confidence because of the business behind it. And Drake is kind of going through this now where you will be drained by this business. See everything been clicking on how cylinders? Now you got to deal with this business. They ain't helping and they ain't doing what they posed to that would take a creative and smush him. It a smusher creator. But Lil Wayne swed Cash Money in twenty and fifteen for unpaid royalties what was going on in Cash Money in twenty fifteen. Drake was already on the scene. Remember all summer sixteen, Drake was already doing tremendous at this point. So you have to remember that Drake came in in a system where Lil Wayne had just had problems after riding with Baby, after BG Manifresh, Juvenile and all of the rest of the label came out and said, Yo, we're having problems being paid. So my point of saying that is that I believe Drake had been passed down some of those contractual complexities. I don't think that his contract on his entry was absent of some of those practices that had everybody running from that bird Man scenario. But the co sign that Drake got from Cash Money, it was a pivotal moment in his career and its secured his place in the music industry.

But it also did this.

It locked him in a series of binding agreements, not only withou Cash Money, but he had one with j Print. Then you want Universal that want some because they're now about to unload the banking you and market you and put you in position which all these industry people know. You got to go through a system to get in the system. When you're dealing with recording contracts, they often favor the label because they often drew up by the label whoever draws the contract up. A lot of times it favors them, and you got a red line and try to represent your interest in that. But traditionally in the music business, the recording contracts favor the label. The artist receives advances right, and it has to be recouped through album sales, merchandise, things like that. You have to get on the road and get the money. Here's where everything switched, and this is what made Drake so important. I don't know how confident I am in saying that Drake has the team to go against Universal, and I am confident enough to say that he has leverage. And while we haven't seen a lot of companies come out via Drake, which I think is a mistake, and now looking back, he probably says is a mistake. I'll get to why I thank him he made the mistake here in the second, but I don't think Drake gets enough credit for maneuvering through that.

Jay Prince the young money cash money.

Essentially dismantling the labors of the intermediaries like, so he can deal directly with Universal Republic. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. You know, some people say the talent to do it. I don't believe that. Look how talented R. Kelly was right, So there has to be a level of business acumen that gets you from A to B. He dismantled the entire immediaries that were dealing with him, as it pertains to him dealing direct with Universal Republic. But now when you get to Universal a Republic and you have some of these disputes with them, this is like the final Boss. They played a long game, right, and so I think Drake confidence in his ability to renegotiate and out maneuver and out smart some of these deals. I think that he thought he was going to take the same game that got him away from Jai Hey Prince, got him up under from Cash Money Young Money. I think he thought that that those maneuvers would still land him also with his leverage, in a place where he would get a more favorable deal and represent his interests at the negotiating table. It's almost like he could have been blinded by his past wins because Universe was the final Boss. This is something you can't play with. This is the big dog. I want to look at a few more clips of joe perspective on it, and we're gonna add a little bit more context to that.

Pay attention none of it, because I know you niggas are just fans, and y'all go in that back room with whatever execut you with, and you hear the pitch and you sign it. I seen too many examples of it, and then later on we figure out, hey.

Whoa shit, we can get that.

I think that's what's happening with one boy, homeboy signed.

Whatever the fuck you sign.

It's tough to say no, the four hundred of them. You know what's five hundred ms whatever he got? But I know that that's Drake. I don't know enough. I know Joe Rogan could crack one hundred million a year. I know if the core Daddy girl could get eighty million or whatever the fuck she got, then I could guesstimate to what I think Drake should get. And I've been saying that as long as this podcast has existed.

You know what's crazy about it?

Though different he puts.

It, ain't different. He's selling ass.

He puts the quote off, he's selling fucking ass like thestible.

I guess the gist of this is these gentlemen are saying that I'm not sure Drake really even knows its value, right.

It's not a.

Clear cut, concise point ever been made that Drake understands his value outside of the machine. And again the historical context, Drake's always used a machine to boast on the rest of the market because they had to use him to build the fucking to build the streaming platforms. It's almost like the house nigga. But I want to talk about formula and I want to talk about how if there were any label disputes, it felt like Drake always played them close to the chest. But something tells me that Drake may understand more than what he has led on about his value. Because again, if I'm going in the back room somewhere, I've been in this game now ten fifteen years. I'm starting to understand what the hundred gigs generated, I'm starting to understand what apps are doing, I'm starting to understand how they're moving around with data. I was one of the only podcast dudes that came out and said, oh, all, y'all business guys, just missed a very important part of Kanye West. When Kanye West was going into those label meanings with Gaping all these other places, he was saying something very important, Yo, I have three million emails actively buying emails. And that was before he went direct to consume. I can imagine what he has now. But while he was with Gap and Adidas and all of these different things, he at least knew if I leave him with nothing, I'm at least leave with my customer base, the people that sign up when my name is used. You ever see a podcast to say sign up and use code, that's because that's a tracking service in place. But when we're dealing with Drake, but imagine if Drake had the kind of mindset to understand and have every email from every person that is interacted and signed up via his product service or music since he started or since streaming started.

What if he had someone around him then, like.

A Jay who was building title who maybe they had a relationship. And this is why alliances are much more important than enemies. You want to build the lionses. But he gets hard building the lionses in this industry because these dudes are suckers. And I say that respectfully to my people, Because my people is if you see me with him, that mean I co side of my love them. I got love form. But for the most part, brou A lot of these dudes are suckers. But imagine if Drake could have been in a scenario where he was able to talk to jay Z, able to iron some of those things out able to be in a scenario, what Jake could have told him, YO, make sure you getting those emails. These are the people that are spending money with you. They're moving and signing up and downloading apps and shit because you are there. Kanye West moved around with three million. It's no telling what Drake would have had. But you have podcasters like Joe and others speaking to Drake not knowing his value outside of the system. I think Drake understands his value outside of the system, and that's why you haven't seen him unload anything yet. That's why you haven't seen him get into his mogul era like you seen jay Z. What I also want to speak to is I believe jay Z that had exited at a time where his decline was inevitable, and not decline as far as money and statue, but just his audience was getting smaller because he no longer was appealing to the youth. He had went grown man rap, and when you go grown man rap, you can't go back. And so I contribute Jay Z helping to grow the grown man audience of that entire genre, like he went on a I'm wearing suits and all these different vibes and so unlike Jay, I believe Drake still to been someone that was topping the charge. He's still the most streaming artists in the world. So for him, he thinks, with the formula we got in place, I'm gonna be okay because I'm still at the top. It ain't time for me to hit an exit yet. It ain't time for me to go left yet.

Hell As we came in here raveled and we championed the boy getting four hundred millions, and at that one point, oh everybody didn't, Yeah we did.

Everybody didn't. The Masters did, though we did on the show.

Gives a fuck about the mass we did on this show? No real, Okay, it's very tough for anybody to say anything other than congratulations.

If somebody gets four hundred million and one deal.

There have been quite a few people to challenge that you just ain't hurt, you just hurt.

Let me try to put together what I think about how we got here and again the defamation, the strategic move to try not to have Kendrick perform not like us at the Super Bowl.

I have to view that different. But let's deal with the business side of it.

I would like to explore the fact that I truly believe Drake bought into the label driven formula. I also believe that Drake understood that it wasn't the Lion's share, or it may not even be what its worth was, but it was a formula. A lot of times when you're doing business, you're looking for something concrete, so you can know exactly what to push for. It's almost like, say, say you someone on the West Coast that sell flour universally. We have agreed that twenty eight grams is announced, and so therefore I know if I get thirty six ounces, I have a key, and that's anywhere in the world because that's the formula. Now, the price might change, the numbers might go up, the cost of it. You may have to pay more to get it from Mexico to California than you do to get it from California to Tennessee, right, and so there's all as other details involved with it, but ultimately there's a formula that dictates the outcome.

So the four.

Hundred million dollar deal, it may sound massive, but when you put it in the context of the dominance and the industry infrastructure built on this back, it's clear that it's significant money left on the table. So if you ask me, the issue isn't just the number, it's the formula that was designed for the label's long term benefit not here. So Drake essentially became the engine for the system, fueling Universal's growth right as it pertains the Apple Spotify again to user acquisition and customer behavior. But I think he reflected on his value me a contract. I don't take Drake to be incompetent, so as you know, a lot of these industry guys are taking him to be someone that fell asleep at the wheel.

I think he's strategic.

I think it's possible he's holding back certain moves because he's waiting on the right moment and he's about to play a global game. I think it's a kein too, because I grew up off wrestling. I think it's a kin to Hulk Hogan. I remember a time and I can't remember exactly what interview it was, but jay Z was like, yo, I just we don't have to end our relationship.

We got to recalibrate.

And it feels like that's what Drake is if I take these suits at face value, right, But I think comparing Drake to jay Z and the extra strategy, it just highlights a misunderstanding about Drake, right. I don't think it's because he's incapable. I think he's in the middle of a power struggle. It separates him from jay Z. It isn't about graces, about timing. You know, the Lion don't rule on the hunt to kill. It wasaitts until the kill. Jay Z didn't have the same streaming model for contractual expectations like Drake. Drake's dominance led him to believe that he had a position at the table. He created a new industry standard with UMG, you guys got to remember again, he helped build these platforms, and it feels like he's saying that, yo, y'all weaponizing the shit I built against me, Like I help y'all build this, and y'all weaponizing it. I don't think the Drake comparison to Jay is good. Jay rapped about grown man balls Drake and literally shaped shift. He got all kinds of styles, and that's why I think they've underestimated him playing that global game. Y'all made fun of Drake when he was doing all these different accents and appelling all of the different things, all these different styles in the Caribbean and London and all these different things.

It's because he probably knew.

My excess strategy is the global game, and I build a real competitor that can be interest from the oil money that's interesting, that can be interest from Saudi Arabia. When we look at boxing, we see the guy Turkeys a Lashkh who they call you, excellency, and what he's doing in boxing like our haming all of y'all. The only thing that's holding them together is the contracts they have them. Boxing people banded in because dudes spending the money, he's adding infrastructure, spending the money, adding elements to the to the shows that it's just literally undeniable. And drake artistry isn't limited by genre. Why Universal may have a stronghold in America's market. I truly believe on the global scale, Drake can literally bring up a competitor. Much like it's almost like Hogan going to WCW. I remember when because I was young when this happened. I remember watching wrestling as a young boy, and I think Drake in this time right now, it's kind of like Hogan were some of the creative control Hogan was dealing with with WWE. He just couldn't find it in itself to stay there and he had to take a legal faith and go to WCW. And then what did he find out when he went to WCW. Oh he made WCW bigger than WWE, because when he left, guess who else came next thing? You know, the nwos over there, next thing, you know, the bad boy attitude. Era has to take it back. But for a minute, WCW was a real force to be reckon with, not only Hogan Brett hard Alan went over there. But from a business perspective, if those conversations with your flag ship Act, which is Hulk Hogan, you reach a stalemate with the guy that you've built this thing off of. You built Rassamania off of them, You built all these different genres and matches and storylines surrounding him, and then he comes in to try to say, let's bring it in U, let's let me have some creative control. You push back from a building perspective. When Hulk Hogan left WWE and went the wcw WWE lost marketshare because the brand that was haulk Hogan could help an infrastructure be a real competitor. And I believe that Universal has to take that notion into consideration.

When you think about it, you say, Yo, this dude is acting.

You've never saw him act, and y'all think it's because he wanted to be cool. No, it's because I'm not unloading the rest of this shit until I get out of this.

I adapt.

I'm gonna adopt their formula, the formula they gave me four hundred meal. I'm gonna go on to I'm gonna stay out on the road, and I'm gonna do all of these things that I really don't want to do. But the formula, the brick is twenty eight the brick is thirty six ounces, and they told me that at the beginning. So every time I get thirty six ounces, I give them a brick back. So I'm going to keep bringing them thirty six ounces and now they don't move the gold post while the ball is in the air. That's what it feels like he's saying. Let's not misunderstand Drake is a Jewish kid. Is that he has access to some cultural bridges that most of you don't have. That most black rep don't have, that most of the entertainment industry don't have. I think that needs to be spoke to when we speak about Drake and the scenario that he finds himself in. I also think in this industry, a lot of these dudes grown me in or do it disservice. Like when you see me, I'm gonna ask you a about the game. What you doing, baby? What's next? Let me hear something? What how you tied it in? Would take? You need to have a nigga with you with a camera. What they doing they ain't doing? Make sure they man, I don't get the care. I'm always be trying to give you some game because I'm trying to deposit into you. I'm trying to let you know, man, you on a legendary run. We gotta take advantage of all aspects. We can make ten more millionaires out of what you got gone without you even being affected, without you ain't had to lift a finger. A rap nigga should have ten fifteen millionaires around him at all time, and not off his money off jobs.

That they have created.

If he's a superstar, you dig it should be product and shit constantly moving around. You should have media in your camp. You shall have graphic designers like it's so many different jobs you should always have in your camp. That's keeping your brand at a situation where you're making money and keeping you visible in a way where you're narrative. You're in control of your narrative. I forgot what you said.

I said, Yo, I think he's going on tour purposely to to pay to fulfill these niggas obligations so I could get the fuck away from you. And then we heard the ship with said, what's the girl that leaked the ship with him?

Bladzy?

He leaked the shit with Johnny Blazy, Like y'all'm in this slave ship with Universal. I want to finish this other too, so I could get out of bed with these niggas.

He basically she leaked it, but.

He said it to her.

I don't remember if that was Universal or or love.

Nation, maybe it might have.

Whatever the case I'm saying is, I think he's finally seen he don't know what his value is.

That's possibly true.

No, it's not possibly nothing. All right, Okay, I'm gonna say, yeah, it's not possibly nothing. That's fine.

He don't know what his value is because he is a paid worker. True, he has never done the work and took on the humiliation and the risk and the tasks and the hurdles that come with learning what your value is. So I don't want to hear that value shit from him because he's still relying on somebody else to determine it. The rumor is, and I'm we're saying rumor, but I heard of some Roman these rappers.

They can't help themselves on a suit.

Don't sound far fat, No, No, it's.

Who just fired everybody and consolidated?

Beautiful, right, I believe that What the fuck are we talking about?

We're talking about lying us hold.

Up ish because some of this. I believe you to be being a little naive too. Universal who just fired everybody in consolidated?

So you really don't have no way to say nothing.

So Drake gonna go in there and say you fired people that was down with me, and they're gonna say, yeah, we did.

We fire everybody. We fired everybody. That don't mean nothing when I'm in the building. He's right.

When you in the building, you got people in the building that's arguing for you. When they find out they get rid of them. Y'all watch billions, y'all, watch suits, y'all watch all of these shows. There are billions and trillions of dollars at play.

This is organized, This is UMG working with.

Spotify, working with Apple, Google, working with Google, working with Amazon. Shout to Tim from Compton kendricks Man, you better know who you're dealing with.

Working with the NFL.

Also working with Yet likedl If Drake had proof, it wouldn't matter.

They are not.

They're not letting him do that because to do that brings us back to our original question, who do you got, Drake or the field? Not Artistically, to do that jeopardizes the music business can make all of the music that could touch you and make you the hottest thing in the world.

At some point.

I do feel like Drake started to look at Wayne and say, I'm.

The man around these streets. It's perfectly normal.

I think He started to look at a few people and say, I'm the man in these streets.

What do they do?

No, you're not, And they say, no niggas uming nights. He's not who the super fans have him made out to be. This is the part where if you love Drake you should exit. No seriously, because I'm not trying to be funny. You might hear some things that's just uncomfortable.

He missed the window. Listen, Wade, shut the fuck up. Just shot up for a second, back to him being a.

Unicorn golden child early and then somebody read us some facts from some of these suits after I talking, and they reply, oh, and then say what they had to.

Say, unicorn man.

There was a very small window, kind of like an election with the House seats, with the Hey, now is the time for us to get some of these or we fucked for the next eighty ninety years. Very small window for him to do his thing where he's the kingmaker now all of that and what he did with it. What he did with it was speculating. Take checks. He went and stood next to Jack Harlow, took a check. He went and stood next to made this one, made this one pop over here, he took a check. He's went over here, took a chat, made this one pop, made this one pop. He spent time making every everybody pop and making every label all the money in the world.

That's what he did.

If I want to go with the theory that Drake has been holding back, right, there's a couple theories floating around that he has albums in the tuck. We haven't really seen him venture out in business. We've seen him only work on a peal, because a peal for him is something that he would need even on his exit.

At some point.

Some of his fans say the music suffers, but I've always been on the other side wondering about the business side of it, like why don't we see him utilizing his power and celebrity to light his own fires in his own in his own bond, in his own building, in his own fireplace. Granted, everybody around Drake is well took care of, but there's a position that you can find yourself in in this industry where the money is not what you need. And so if I believe that, then I believe Drake's true power is not even then what he's done, it's in what he's with hell, you don't find a fishy that a dude that come up acting hasn't did one acting thing period because I don't want to take away from the music, but all of those things, in my opinion, still exists. He just has to be an architect. You gotta remember when the spotlight phase right, and that's what every artist has to remember. When the spotlight phase, the only thing left is the stage that you built. Yeah, Universal taking they stage with them, Yeah yeah, Capitol Records, they taking their stage with them, Republic Records, Warner Brothers, they taking they stage with them on the spotlight them.

But if you happen to.

Have built the stage yourself, if you had happened to thought about yourself, oftentimes you can end up pray and not even know you pray. You think they praying with you, they praying on you, And so you think the fighters with other rappers and shitting on other rappers and not getting over there and helping these people are doing nothing for these people.

Yo.

The real fight is with the infrastructure and those of you that's lap dogs in this industry. You are not excluded from this. You could be a good old boy and they could just wake up one day and say I'm done with it doing it that way. Let's see what you got on your own. You've been moving around the me emails of the people that's bought shirts you've been selling. We've been selling shirts for you for twenty five years. When you got your leverage together, you never made one because we got it. If I'm our Heart, I got it. If I'm Spotify, I got it. If I'm Apple, I got it. What info are you passing down to your children? Don't be a dude, that's just passing down LLC's. It's so easy to get caught up thinking that you gotta worry about the hunter man, when the true enemy is the forest.

The true enemy is the elements.

They gonna use that to camouflage to get you, right, the true enemy is the industry. Even if you're at the top of the industry and that's for rap music, you gotta remember that this whole infrastructure and we're talking about market shall This is high level business talk. This is peak perspective. This is not for the casual. This is peak. It never sat right with me, man, And you know, I laugh, like the rest of the industry and the rest of the people in this game. When I would hear DJ Kelly say I like what Drake likes. I know what he mean when he say that, but I don't like to hear that. And the reason I don't like to hear it is not because I'm a hater of Drake or I don't want Drake to get that kind of recognition. It's because for me where I come from, it feel like you're trying to play on me. You know how to stroke my ego to me, you doing him a disservice when he's in that position he's in. Yeah, let him know he's great, Give him his flowers while he can smell him. I understand that, But you don't want a room full of yes man. I like what you like. I like what you like. You need dudes around just asking hey, what you're thinking, how we living, what's next?

How we getting in the tech? You heard Kanye see you.

Need nigga like me. Boy, I'm so on top of this shit. I be hearing shit. May you heard Kanye say you got four million emails? Ol casual nigga that go right past him. He don't even know what Kanye West saying when he say, Yo, I'm moving around with. So for me, I'm knowing I'm putting two much oh oh oh oh, because I'm running a subscription game. I'm just a mini Netflix. I don't peep the game, ed body. Y'all ain't running off and leaving me. I know how y'all always making this sit This media entertainment business is really tech, and when they say tech, they just mean a big ad company. People need to know people's interests. The next fifteen or twenty years will be about whoever has the date on people's interests, which makes it a seamless transition to get ads in front of them. People are spenders, especially black people. Like It's just it's a lot wrapped into this bru It's peak perspective is high level game. But I'm trying to tell y'all that you gotta remember when when the spotlight fade, the only stage that's left is the one that you built. So y'all let me know in the comments, do y'all think. Do y'all believe Drake is sewing to try to control the narrative? Is there something to the zero sum game fallacy right by pushing another artist at drake expense? Or is this about to be the great reset of the music industry because he's kind of exposing to pay the play system that is in place still to this day, and of course it's illegal to pay the play. I think I gave y'all enough today on this topic. Right, this is a good loan one for my Patreon people. I love y'all. You see what I'm saying. Stay tapped in with us, man. We're dropping every single day now. Salute to y'all. Shout it on socials. Let your people know. This is where the game is being laid down at It's up there podcast. You know what I'm saying, big loan man, I'm just putting the game down. I appreciate everybody to rock with me. I love y'all, man for life, for life, for life,