Midlife has a lot of messy stuff in it: divorce, the death of your parents, menopause, health scares, empty nests, career changes, feeling increasingly irrelevant - “midlife” has terrible branding, according to author, modern elder, hospitality expert, and CEO and co-founder of Modern Elder Academy Chip Conley. 



What if midlife (and beyond) could include an ever deepening sense of self and more satisfying connections - right alongside all that cascading loss? 



Chip and Megan start out talking about midlife, and wind their way to the power of telling the truth about your own life. In the middle, there’s grief: scary diagnoses, the deaths of friends, a near death experience, and some personal wake up calls to the meaning of life. 



It’s Ok that You’re Not Ok in the mixed bag of midlife. 



6 things you’ll learn in this episode:
How “hospitality” manifests itself inside grief (and life)
How suicide deaths in your friend group impact the rest of your life
What it’s like facing a cancer recurrence *just* as you’re feeling yourself come back to life
Why community is crucial to our survival
Coming out as a gay man in the 1980’s, and what coming out to yourself might mean now
Why you want multigenerational relationships, no matter how old you are now





Content note: this episode contains mention of suicide, along with brief mention of the method. 



Related episodes:

Baratunde Thurston on the power of community





Notable quotes: 

“One of the challenges with grief is the feeling like it will never end. If you can actually understand what it means to be in that messy middle, you can actually move through the grief more in a more natural, humane, and accelerated fashion.” - Chip Conley



“It is not required that you change the world because of what you've experienced in your life.” - Megan Devine



About our guest:

Chip Conley is a strategic advisor for hospitality and leadership at Airbnb, founder of the Modern Elder Academy, which helps people in their ‘third age’ find a new path forward, and author of Wisdom @ Work: The Making of a Modern Elder. He was a founder board member for Burning Man. Find him on social @ChipConley





About Megan: 

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 

The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.



Additional resources:

Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions: your questions, answered.





Chip’s book - Wisdom @ Work: The Making of a Modern Elder

Modern Elder Academy

Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl

The Rumi Collection: An Anthology of Translations of Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi



Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed



Books and resources may contain affiliate links.





Get in touch:

Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



Follow the show on TikTok @itsokpod and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms



For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, and follow Megan on LinkedIn



For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at megandevine.co

Midlife has a lot of messy stuff in it: divorce, the death of your parents, menopause, health scares, empty nests, career changes, feeling increasingly irrelevant - “midlife” has terrible branding, according to author, modern elder, hospitality expert, and CEO and co-founder of Modern Elder Academy Chip Conley. 
 
What if midlife (and beyond) could include an ever deepening sense of self and more satisfying connections - right alongside all that cascading loss? 
 
Chip and Megan start out talking about midlife, and wind their way to the power of telling the truth about your own life. In the middle, there’s grief: scary diagnoses, the deaths of friends, a near death experience, and some personal wake up calls to the meaning of life. 
 
It’s Ok that You’re Not Ok in the mixed bag of midlife. 
 
6 things you’ll learn in this episode:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">How “hospitality” manifests itself inside grief (and life)</li>
<li aria-level="1">How suicide deaths in your friend group impact the rest of your life</li>
<li aria-level="1">What it’s like facing a cancer recurrence *just* as you’re feeling yourself come back to life</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why community is crucial to our survival</li>
<li aria-level="1">Coming out as a gay man in the 1980’s, and what coming out to yourself might mean now</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why you want multigenerational relationships, no matter how old you are now</li>
</ul>
 
Content note: this episode contains mention of suicide, along with brief mention of the method. 
 
Related episodes:
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/collective-grief-and-communal-joy-with-115122353/">Baratunde Thurston on the power of community</a>
 
Notable quotes: 
“One of the challenges with grief is the feeling like it will never end. If you can actually understand what it means to be in that messy middle, you can actually move through the grief more in a more natural, humane, and accelerated fashion.” - Chip Conley
 
“It is not required that you change the world because of what you've experienced in your life.” - Megan Devine
 
About our guest:
Chip Conley is a strategic advisor for hospitality and leadership at Airbnb, founder of the <a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy,</a> which helps people in their ‘third age’ find a new path forward, and author of <a href="https://amzn.to/3BwdsE1">Wisdom @ Work: The Making of a Modern Elder</a>. He was a founder board member for Burning Man. Find him on social <a href="https://twitter.com/ChipConley">@ChipConley</a>
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 
The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s <a href="https://amzn.to/3GbAd2N">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2zLCCRT-nE">animations and explainers</a> have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.
 
Additional resources:
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A sessions: your questions, answered.
 
Chip’s book - <a href="https://amzn.to/3BwdsE1">Wisdom @ Work: The Making of a Modern Elder</a>
<a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a>
<a href="https://amzn.to/3BuB5gj">Man’s Search for Meaning</a> by Victor Frankl
<a href="https://amzn.to/3MidhkS">The Rumi Collection: An Anthology of Translations of Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi</a>
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="https://amzn.to/3zBWvXJ">It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/43eXGda">How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a> 
 
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.
 
Get in touch:
Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
Follow the show on TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@itsokpod">@itsokpod</a> and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TikTok</a>, and follow <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-devine-719344141/">Megan on LinkedIn</a>
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at <a href="https://www.megandevine.co/">megandevine.co</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

What’s It All For? Loss and Meaning In Midlife with Chip Conley

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