We know that healthcare workers are burned out and exhausted. Provider mental health is a huge issue… but are the institutions listening? This week, burnout expert Dr. Jessi Gold talks to us about (obviously) burnout, but also ways HCW* can start to change the workplace culture into one that actually values their human workforce. Sound unlikely? Listen in to find out.  

*We talk a bunch about HCW in this episode, but the topics involved are relevant to everyone who feels even a little bit exhausted by the pressures of the world! 




Want your questions answered on the show? To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co




In this episode we cover:
Can you be emotionless and still practice good medicine?
How medical training seeks out perfectionists, and then uses that perfectionism as a way to wring out even more work 
Why you can’t self-care your way out of burnout, but you can support yourself inside the catastrophe
Ways to get the administration to start valuing their workforce (spoiler: it involves speaking the language of capitalism!) 




Notable quotes: 

“The mental health system is broken. You can’t fix it by breaking yourself.” - Dr. Jessi Gold.



“Let's borrow from the c-suite, let’s borrow tactics from the upper levels of the industry - they do have a balance sheet at the end of the day. They need to know there’s economic benefit to valuing peoples’ humanity and their limits. Denying people their humanity costs us.” - Megan Devine



Guest Bio: 

Dr. Jessi Gold is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St Louis. She’s a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic). Her work can be found in major publications like The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and TIME. Find the “burned out burnout expert” at www.Dr.JessiGold.com and on TW @drjessigold




Questions to Carry with you:
Tell yourself the truth about one thing. Why is that important? Listen to the episode to find out. 







Resources: 

For resources related to healthcare worker mental health, check out: 
physician’s support line on social @shrinkrapping
American Foundation for Suicide Prevention on social @afspnational
provider resource hub developed by @theNAMedicine) 
Emotional PPE



Looking for more training as you navigate grief on the job and in your life? Check out megandevine.co for consulting, resources, and upcoming trainings



Get in touch: 

Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 




To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co

For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at www.Megandevine.co

For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on IG, FB, & TW

Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s Okay That You're Not Okay and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

We know that healthcare workers are burned out and exhausted. Provider mental health is a huge issue… but are the institutions listening? This week, burnout expert Dr. Jessi Gold talks to us about (obviously) burnout, but also ways HCW* can start to change the workplace culture into one that actually values their human workforce. Sound unlikely? Listen in to find out.  *We talk a bunch about HCW in this episode, but the topics involved are relevant to everyone who feels even a little bit exhausted by the pressures of the world!  Want your questions answered on the show? To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co In this episode we cover:<ul>
<li>Can you be emotionless and still practice good medicine?</li>
<li>How medical training seeks out perfectionists, and then uses that perfectionism as a way to wring out even more work </li>
<li>Why you can’t self-care your way out of burnout, but you can support yourself inside the catastrophe</li>
<li>Ways to get the administration to start valuing their workforce (spoiler: it involves speaking the language of capitalism!) </li>
</ul> Notable quotes: “The mental health system is broken. You can’t fix it by breaking yourself.” - Dr. Jessi Gold. “Let's borrow from the c-suite, let’s borrow tactics from the upper levels of the industry - they do have a balance sheet at the end of the day. They need to know there’s economic benefit to valuing peoples’ humanity and their limits. Denying people their humanity costs us.” - Megan Devine Guest Bio: Dr. Jessi Gold is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St Louis. She’s a nationally recognized expert on healthcare worker mental health and burnout (particularly during the pandemic). Her work can be found in major publications like The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, and TIME. Find the “burned out burnout expert” at <a href="http://www.dr.jessigold.com/">www.Dr.JessiGold.com</a> and on TW @drjessigold Questions to Carry with you:<ul><li>Tell yourself the truth about one thing. Why is that important? Listen to the episode to find out. </li></ul> Resources: For resources related to healthcare worker mental health, check out: <ul>
<li>physician’s support line on social @shrinkrapping</li>
<li>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention on social @afspnational</li>
<li>provider resource hub developed by<a href="https://twitter.com/theNAMedicine"> @theNAMedicine</a>) 
</li>
<li>Emotional PPE</li>
</ul> Looking for more training as you navigate grief on the job and in your life? Check out <a href="http://megandevine.co/">megandevine.co</a> for consulting, resources, and upcoming trainings  Get in touch: Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right.  To submit your questions by voicemail, call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.coFor more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at <a href="http://www.megandevine.co/">www.Megandevine.co</a>For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">IG</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief">FB</a>, &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">TW</a>Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/book">It’s Okay That You're Not Okay and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>   Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Protecting Your Mental Health in the Healthcare Workplace, with the Burned Out Burnout Expert, Dr. Jessi Gold

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