When life feels hard, does “peak performance” mean anything? 



Steven Kotler is known as the NYT best selling author of books like Stealing Fire andThe Rise of Superman, but can the science of stretching limits apply to grief of any kind? If you look beyond the slick language of bio-hacking and extreme sports typically found in discussions on peak performance, it turns out there’s something here for all of us. 





In this episode we cover: 


How peak performance applies to your life - even if you’re not an athlete
Why gratitude tends to work better than affirmations
The scientific reason why play is good for you - and important for healthy aging
The first three days of grief: what loss is like inside a hospice-based dog rescue
How a change in mindset can extend your life by eight years (but that’s not the same as toxic positivity)



Related episodes:



What’s It All For? Loss and Meaning in Midlife with Chip Conley



Pet Loss and Veterinarians Who Cry: with Veterinary Oncologist and Author Dr. Renee Alsarraf



Connection is the Best Medicine: with Dr. Rana Adwish





Notable quotes: 

“Limits are liberating.” – Steven Kotler



“Hope is about the collaborative effort.” – Steven Kotler





About our guest:

Steven Kotler is one of the world’s most renowned experts on human performance. His NYT best selling books include The Art of Impossible and The Rise of Superman. He’s the co-founder of Planet Home and the Executive Director of the Flow Research Collective. Steven’s work has been nominated for two Pulitzer Prizes, and appears in over 100 publications, including the Wall Street Journal, TIME, and the Harvard Business Review. His latest book, Gnar Country: Growing Old, Staying Rad, details the application of peak performance tenets on an aging body. Find him at stevenkotler.com






About Megan: 

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 



The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’sIt’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.





Additional resources:

The Art of Impossible: a Peak Performance Primer



Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work



The Future Is Faster Than You Thinkby Peter H. Diamandis and Steven Kotler



The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance



A Small Furry Prayer: Dog Rescue and the Meaning of Life



Rancho de Chihuahua - Joy and Steven’s non-profit dog sanctuary



Want to become a more grief-informed, human-centered therapist or provider? Registration is open now for Megan Devine’s 6 month online Grief Care Professional Certificate Program. Details at this link.



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for an inexpensive monthly open video Q&A clinic for grieving people. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed



Books and resources may contain affiliate links.



Get in touch:

Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



Follow the show on TikTok @itsokpod and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms



For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, and follow Megan on LinkedIn



For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at megandevine.co

When life feels hard, does “peak performance” mean anything? 
 
Steven Kotler is known as the NYT best selling author of books like <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062429667">Stealing Fire</a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781542032940">The Rise of Superman</a>, but can the science of stretching limits apply to grief of any kind? If you look beyond the slick language of bio-hacking and extreme sports typically found in discussions on peak performance, it turns out there’s something here for all of us. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">How peak performance applies to your life - even if you’re not an athlete</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why gratitude tends to work better than affirmations</li>
<li aria-level="1">The scientific reason why play is good for you - and important for healthy aging</li>
<li aria-level="1">The first three days of grief: what loss is like inside a hospice-based dog rescue</li>
<li aria-level="1">How a change in mindset can extend your life by eight years (but that’s not the same as toxic positivity)</li>
</ul>
 
Related episodes:
 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/whats-it-all-for-loss-and-116080698/">What’s It All For? Loss and Meaning in Midlife with Chip Conley</a>
 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/pet-loss-and-veterinarians-who-cry-113208200/">Pet Loss and Veterinarians Who Cry: with Veterinary Oncologist and Author Dr. Renee Alsarraf</a>
 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/connection-is-the-best-medicine-with-106164022/">Connection is the Best Medicine: with Dr. Rana Adwish</a>
 
Notable quotes: 
“Limits are liberating.” – Steven Kotler
 
“Hope is about the collaborative effort.” – Steven Kotler
 
About our guest:
Steven Kotler is one of the world’s most renowned experts on human performance. His NYT best selling books include <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062977533">The Art of Impossible</a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781542032940">The Rise of Superman</a>. He’s the co-founder of <a href="https://planethome.eco/">Planet Home</a> and the Executive Director of the <a href="https://www.flowresearchcollective.com/">Flow Research Collective</a>. Steven’s work has been nominated for two Pulitzer Prizes, and appears in over 100 publications, including the Wall Street Journal, TIME, and the Harvard Business Review. His latest book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780063272903">Gnar Country: Growing Old, Staying Rad</a>, details the application of peak performance tenets on an aging body. Find him at <a href="https://www.stevenkotler.com/">stevenkotler.com</a> 
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 
 
The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2zLCCRT-nE">animations and explainers</a> have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.
 
Additional resources:
<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062977533">The Art of Impossible: a Peak Performance Primer </a>
 
<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062429667">Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work</a>
 
<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781982109660">The Future Is Faster Than You Think</a> by Peter H. Diamandis and Steven Kotler
 
<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781542032940">The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance</a>
 
<a href="https://amzn.to/3qr8QwV">A Small Furry Prayer: Dog Rescue and the Meaning of Life</a>
 
<a href="http://ranchodechihuahua.org/">Rancho de Chihuahua</a> - Joy and Steven’s non-profit dog sanctuary
 
Want to become a more grief-informed, human-centered therapist or provider? Registration is open now for Megan Devine’s 6 month online Grief Care Professional Certificate Program.<a href="https://catalog.pesi.com/sales/bh_c_001791_megandevinegriefcarecert_0923_affiliate-668622"> Details at this link</a>.
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for an inexpensive monthly open video Q&amp;A clinic for grieving people. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708">How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a> 
 
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.
 
Get in touch:
Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
Follow the show on TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@itsokpod">@itsokpod</a> and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TikTok</a>, and follow <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-devine-719344141/">Megan on LinkedIn</a>
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at <a href="https://www.megandevine.co/">megandevine.co</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

Steven Kotler: Peak Performance and Getting Older (for humans and for dogs!)

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