We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 



It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 





In this episode we cover: 
Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? 
Why don’t we take action when the evidence of the climate crisis is literally everywhere?
Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? 
How the boomer generation is using their experience and their wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)
Why the “will to act” is so important to sustained change 
How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. 



Related episodes:

For more on activism in the face of impossible odds:

Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour

Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger

Notable quotes: 

The climate crisis is a really interesting test of whether or not (our) big brain was a good adaptation or not. It can get us into a lot of trouble, but can it get us out? My intuition is that it's actually going to be less the size of the brain that matters than the size of the heart that it's attached to. - Bill McKibben





About our guest:

Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books include The End of Nature, about climate change, and Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. He’s a contributing writer to The New Yorker (read his latest piece here), and founder of Third Act, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change. 



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 

The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.



Additional resources:

Read Bill latest piece in The New Yorker  - “To Save the Planet, Should We Really Be Moving Slower?”



Check out Bill’sThird Act community - Elders working together for a fair and stable planet. 



Terry Tempest Williams’ book Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place, and her recent NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake (gift link, no subscription needed)



Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism at her website, or her books, including Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects, World as Lover, World as Self, and Widening Circles: A Memoir

Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed



Books and resources may contain affiliate links.



Get in touch:

Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



Follow the show on TikTok @itsokpod and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms



For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, and follow Megan on LinkedIn



For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at megandevine.co

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 
 
It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? </li>
<li aria-level="1">Why don’t we take action when the evidence of the climate crisis is literally everywhere?</li>
<li aria-level="1">Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? </li>
<li aria-level="1">How the boomer generation is using their experience and their wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why the “will to act” is so important to sustained change </li>
<li aria-level="1">How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. </li>
</ul>
 
Related episodes:
For more on activism in the face of impossible odds:
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/women-life-freedom-grief-and-power-103663616/">Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour</a>
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-117639477/">Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur &amp; See No Stranger</a>
Notable quotes: 
The climate crisis is a really interesting test of whether or not (our) big brain was a good adaptation or not. It can get us into a lot of trouble, but can it get us out? My intuition is that it's actually going to be less the size of the brain that matters than the size of the heart that it's attached to. - Bill McKibben
 
About our guest:
Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books include <a href="https://amzn.to/46xoJ5f">The End of Nature</a>, about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change">climate change</a>, and <a href="https://amzn.to/3re49Xo">Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?</a>, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. He’s a contributing writer to The New Yorker (<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/to-save-the-planet-should-we-really-be-moving-slower">read his latest piece here</a>), and founder of <a href="https://thirdact.org/">Third Act</a>, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change. 
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 
The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s <a href="https://amzn.to/3GbAd2N">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2zLCCRT-nE">animations and explainers</a> have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.
 
Additional resources:
Read Bill latest piece in The New Yorker  - “<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/to-save-the-planet-should-we-really-be-moving-slower">To Save the Planet, Should We Really Be Moving Slower?</a>”
 
Check out Bill’s <a href="https://thirdact.org/">Third Act</a> community - Elders working together for a fair and stable planet. 
 
Terry Tempest Williams’ book <a href="https://amzn.to/44uio8L">Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place</a>, and her recent <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/opinion/great-salt-lake-drought-utah-climate-change.html?unlocked_article_code=P_-7GJczsfGXCYmiOOKwziPh0Ez9UZOhqSycJcaGsGiLmQTVnEmc5xRm-8XWxp1j3DGC2COTAT6wCMR8cvjUjVuCZU9DVMMPxMZlRFFTMwvVF8N1kcLgW-PLlaDr-ReKfczUxRKOLM-kOWOoBRoPZFHOWnVZzk4nRVuTAVkoP-AZ4RGLiXu0zq0hnY92-IbF9c86Ozdzozb4i8WotR_Q9uBvAPF6ehDc8StqvoH7XVFAYUSfprpo3hwwPX9hnlLN1lna_7LUQLnULnJ0cpgMY6r10xVYPgd4w_diznpNTJZaaEFHzCpuypb5fTGyHKZOk7ucI3gaAZLfQnymcZ7-jm7bwgIS5cC7ONVrCkre4WPddkbXuQ&amp;smid=tw-share">NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake</a> (gift link, no subscription needed)
 
Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism <a href="https://www.joannamacy.net/">at her website</a>, or her books, including <a href="https://amzn.to/3NXY7SH">Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects</a>, <a href="https://amzn.to/3pHzBga">World as Lover, World as Self</a>, and <a href="https://amzn.to/3PNFRhn">Widening Circles: A Memoir</a>
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A sessions: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="https://amzn.to/3zBWvXJ">It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/43eXGda">How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a> 
 
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.
 
Get in touch:
Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
Follow the show on TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@itsokpod">@itsokpod</a> and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TikTok</a>, and follow <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-devine-719344141/">Megan on LinkedIn</a>
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at <a href="https://www.megandevine.co/">megandevine.co</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Is There Any Good News On Climate Change? with Bill McKibben

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