Is there really a way to understand politics if you understand grief? In this bonus episode with Dr. Gabor Maté, we explore the interconnections of grief, trauma, politics, and policies. If you think politics and grief have nothing in common (or you think you don’t care about politics!) this short conversation might change your mind. 



In this episode we cover: 


Why people get uncomfortable connecting grief & politics
How evidence of trauma shows up in politics (and what Megan and Hillary Clinton have in common)
Why conversations about emotions, emotional skills, and mental health have to include conversations about policies and politics 



About the guest:

Dr. Gabor Maté is a renowned speaker and author, with expertise in trauma, stress, addiction, and child development. He’s the NYT best-selling author of The Myth of Normal, the award-winning In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, and many other books. 



Find him at drgabormate.com



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 

The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.







Additional resources:



Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed





Books and research mentioned in this episode 
The Myth of Normal by Gabor Maté
Article on Hillary Clinton’s traumatic family history 
NYT Fighting Maternal Mortality Among Black Women





Books and resources may contain affiliate links. 



Get in touch:



Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



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For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at megandevine.co





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Is there really a way to understand politics if you understand grief? In this bonus episode with Dr. Gabor Maté, we explore the interconnections of grief, trauma, politics, and policies. If you think politics and grief have nothing in common (or you think you don’t care about politics!) this short conversation might change your mind. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Why people get uncomfortable connecting grief &amp; politics</li>
<li aria-level="1">How evidence of trauma shows up in politics (and what Megan and Hillary Clinton have in common)</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why conversations about emotions, emotional skills, and mental health have to include conversations about policies and politics </li>
</ul>
 
About the guest:
Dr. Gabor Maté is a renowned speaker and author, with expertise in trauma, stress, addiction, and child development. He’s the NYT best-selling author of <a href="https://amzn.to/41uNZ90">The Myth of Normal</a>, the award-winning <a href="https://amzn.to/3Aa7mII">In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts</a>, and <a href="https://amzn.to/41kdjyC">many other books</a>. 
 
Find him at <a href="https://drgabormate.com/">drgabormate.com</a>
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 
The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s <a href="https://amzn.to/3GbAd2N">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.
 
Additional resources:
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="https://amzn.to/3GbAd2N">It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/3KKDnMt">How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed </a> 
 
Books and research mentioned in this episode 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://amzn.to/41uNZ90">The Myth of Normal</a> by Gabor Maté</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-shares-her-mothers-best-advice/">Article on Hillary Clinton’s traumatic family history </a></li>
<li aria-level="1">NYT <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/us/doula-black-women.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAnd%20it%20breaks%20my%20heart%20that%20it%20is.%E2%80%9D&amp;text=The%20concerns%20are%20not%20hyperbole,deaths%20per%20100%2C000%20live%20births.">Fighting Maternal Mortality Among Black Women</a></li>
</ul>
 
Books and resources may contain affiliate links. 
 
Get in touch:
 
Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of It’s OK that You’re Not OK. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, tag us on social with your thoughts, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
Follow the show on TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@itsokpod">@itsokpod</a> and use the hashtag #ItsOkPod on all social platforms
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TikTok</a>, and follow <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-devine-719344141/">Megan on LinkedIn</a>
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at <a href="https://www.megandevine.co/">megandevine.co</a>
 
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A sessions: your questions, answered.

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Is There Grief In Politics? with Dr. Gabor Maté

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