We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 

It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 



In this episode we cover: 


Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? 
Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? 
How the boomer generation is using their experience and wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)
How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. 





We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.



Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.





For more on activism in the face of impossible odds listen to these related episodes: 

Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour

Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger





About our guest:

Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books includeThe End of Nature, about climate change, andFalter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. 

Bill is a contributing writer to The New Yorker (read his latest piece here), and founder of Third Act, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change.



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief

Additional Resources:

Terry Tempest Williams’ book Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place, and her recent NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake (gift link, no subscription needed)



Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism at her website, or her books, including Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects, World as Lover, World as Self, and Widening Circles: A Memoir



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You're Not OK andHow to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

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Follow our show on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok @refugeingrief

For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us atrefugeingrief.com

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 
It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? </li>
<li aria-level="1">Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? </li>
<li aria-level="1">How the boomer generation is using their experience and wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)</li>
<li aria-level="1">How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. </li>
</ul>
 
We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
For more on activism in the face of impossible odds listen to these related episodes: 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/women-life-freedom-grief-and-power-103663616/">Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour</a>
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-117639477/">Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur &amp; See No Stranger</a>
 
About our guest:
Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books include<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780812976083"> The End of Nature</a>, about<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change"> climate change</a>, and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781250256850"> Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?</a>, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. 
Bill is a contributing writer to The New Yorker (<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/to-save-the-planet-should-we-really-be-moving-slower">read his latest piece here</a>), and founder of<a href="https://thirdact.org/"> Third Act</a>, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change.
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
Additional Resources:
Terry Tempest Williams’ book <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780679740247">Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place</a>, and her recent <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/opinion/great-salt-lake-drought-utah-climate-change.html?unlocked_article_code=P_-7GJczsfGXCYmiOOKwziPh0Ez9UZOhqSycJcaGsGiLmQTVnEmc5xRm-8XWxp1j3DGC2COTAT6wCMR8cvjUjVuCZU9DVMMPxMZlRFFTMwvVF8N1kcLgW-PLlaDr-ReKfczUxRKOLM-kOWOoBRoPZFHOWnVZzk4nRVuTAVkoP-AZ4RGLiXu0zq0hnY92-IbF9c86Ozdzozb4i8WotR_Q9uBvAPF6ehDc8StqvoH7XVFAYUSfprpo3hwwPX9hnlLN1lna_7LUQLnULnJ0cpgMY6r10xVYPgd4w_diznpNTJZaaEFHzCpuypb5fTGyHKZOk7ucI3gaAZLfQnymcZ7-jm7bwgIS5cC7ONVrCkre4WPddkbXuQ&amp;smid=tw-share">NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake</a> (gift link, no subscription needed)
 
Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism <a href="https://www.joannamacy.net/">at her website</a>, or her books, including <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780865717756">Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781946764843">World as Lover, World as Self</a>, and <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781897408018">Widening Circles: A Memoir</a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.
 
Follow our show on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/"> Instagram</a>,<a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/"> Facebook</a>,<a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief"> Twitter</a>, and<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief"> TikTok</a> @refugeingrief
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at<a href="https://refugeingrief.com/"> refugeingrief.com</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Is There Any Good News on Climate Change? with Bill McKibben

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