Amy Choi and Rebecca Lehrer are used to exploring complexities. As hosts of the podcast The Mash-up Americans, they cover all sorts of complex intersections of identity and culture. In this episode of Here After, they join me to talk about Mashup Americans’ newest series, Grief, Collected. 



In this episode we cover: 


Amy’s brilliant grief avoidance/childbirth analogy & what we need in order to come out of our dark little nests into the light of grief
The real nuance in whether most people are over the “acute phase” of grief after one year
Will listening to “Ripple” by the Grateful Dead elicit grief bursts from everyone, or is it just us? 
Why NOT grieving was the right move for people fleeing wars and political unrest 
What Amy and Rebecca learned - about grief, about American culture, and about themselves - in producing their show, Grief, Collected (spoiler: they learned a lot!) 
Why telling the truth about grief - without trying to resolve it - is the best hope we have for the future



Content note: mention of pregnancy and childbirth



Notable quotes: 



“One of those bummers is you can't exercise once, and then you're done exercising. It’s like - it f*cking sucks that you just have to keep doing it. And I think that's the thing with grief - you can't mourn something once and then be like, okay, well, now, I'm done with the grief portion of my life.” - Rebecca Lehrer



“NOT grieving is actually a survival strategy.” - Amy Choi






About our guests:

Amy Choi is co-founder and editorial director of The Mash-Up Americans. A Korean-American married to a Colombian-Mexican-American, she is mom to two feisty Korombexican-Americans: in other words, The Future of America. She specializes in getting people to tell stories they never expected to share. 



Rebecca Lehrer is the co-founder and CEO of The Mash-Up Americans. She’s spent 18+ years doing strategy, marketing, and audience development in media, arts, and culture. Her work focuses on the shared cultural experiences that bring people together, and re-centering stories on voices you don’t usually hear.





Additional resources



Check out the entire Grief, Collected series at griefcollected.com and The Mash-Up Americans at mashupamericans.com





For more on historical responses to loss, and ways to change the entire culture, personally and collectively, check out It’s OK That You’re Not OK wherever you get your books





Get in touch:



Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



Have a question, comment, or a topic you’d like us to cover? call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co



For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at www.Megandevine.co



For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on IG, FB, TW, and @hereafterpod on TT



Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s Okay That You're Not Okay and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

Amy Choi and Rebecca Lehrer are used to exploring complexities. As hosts of the podcast The Mash-up Americans, they cover all sorts of complex intersections of identity and culture. In this episode of Here After, they join me to talk about Mashup Americans’ newest series, Grief, Collected. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Amy’s brilliant grief avoidance/childbirth analogy &amp; what we need in order to come out of our dark little nests into the light of grief</li>
<li aria-level="1">The real nuance in whether most people are over the “acute phase” of grief after one year</li>
<li aria-level="1">Will listening to “Ripple” by the Grateful Dead elicit grief bursts from everyone, or is it just us? </li>
<li aria-level="1">Why NOT grieving was the right move for people fleeing wars and political unrest </li>
<li aria-level="1">What Amy and Rebecca learned - about grief, about American culture, and about themselves - in producing their show, Grief, Collected (spoiler: they learned a lot!) </li>
<li aria-level="1">Why telling the truth about grief - without trying to resolve it - is the best hope we have for the future</li>
</ul>
 
Content note: mention of pregnancy and childbirth
 
Notable quotes: 
 
“One of those bummers is you can't exercise once, and then you're done exercising. It’s like - it f*cking sucks that you just have to keep doing it. And I think that's the thing with grief - you can't mourn something once and then be like, okay, well, now, I'm done with the grief portion of my life.” - Rebecca Lehrer
 
“NOT grieving is actually a survival strategy.” - Amy Choi
 
About our guests:
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/awesomechoi/">Amy Choi</a> is co-founder and editorial director of <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mashupamerican/">The Mash-Up Americans</a>. A Korean-American married to a Colombian-Mexican-American, she is mom to two feisty Korombexican-Americans: in other words, The Future of America. She specializes in getting people to tell stories they never expected to share. 
 
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccalehrer/">Rebecca Lehrer</a> is the co-founder and CEO of The Mash-Up Americans. She’s spent 18+ years doing strategy, marketing, and audience development in media, arts, and culture. Her work focuses on the shared cultural experiences that bring people together, and re-centering stories on voices you don’t usually hear.
 
Additional resources
 
Check out the entire Grief, Collected series at <a href="https://www.griefcollected.com/">griefcollected.com</a> and The Mash-Up Americans at <a href="https://www.mashupamericans.com/about/">mashupamericans.com</a>
 
For more on historical responses to loss, and ways to change the entire culture, personally and collectively, check out <a href="https://refugeingrief.com/book/">It’s OK That You’re Not OK</a> wherever you get your books
 
Get in touch:
 
Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
Have a question, comment, or a topic you’d like us to cover? call us at (323) 643-3768 or visit megandevine.co
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at www.Megandevine.co
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">IG</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief">FB</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">TW</a>, and @hereafterpod on <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TT</a>
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/book">It’s Okay That You're Not Okay and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Grief, Collected with Amy Choi and Rebecca Lehrer

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